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Old 14-12-2012, 11:11 PM   #32801
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Scotland's Sacred Mountains


by Martin J. Goodman


For some years I lived in Glencoe, up in the Scottish Highlands. Famous for its massacre, when one Scottish clan slaughtered another, a translation for its name is "the valley of weeping". The road to Glencoe winds across Rannoch Moor, a ranging wilderness that has been swum, skied, and walked across in different seasons. Beyond such rare incursions, it is spectacularly unpeopled.

After miles of level moorland, the thin road streaks toward a mountain. Buchaille Etive Mor, which translates as the Great Shepherd of the Glen, bulks large and gray. To the left a single-track road twists down Glen Etive, the childhood home of Ian Fleming, the writer and creator of James Bond. The main road curves to the right of the mountain and enters Glencoe.

The topography has names here. To the right is Anvil Rock, a raised bluff of flat land where Queen Victoria once rode in a carriage to have a picnic. Beyond it the mountainside is scaled by a steep zigzag of a path known as The Devil's Staircase. Ranged to the left, largely green and defined by the mists and cloud that stream between them, are a trio of round-topped mountains that appear to be leaning into the valley. They are known as The Three Sisters.

Why are they called sisters and not brothers? How does a mountain come to be viewed as a shepherd of a whole landscape? Roots of an awareness of mountains, when we knew their gender and their purpose, are buried in the language.

People are pulled in many thousand to the mountains of Scotland, but they come with little sense of pilgrimage. There is talk about "the magic of the mountains", but little perception of their sacredness. Magic calls for entrancement, while holding mountains as sacred requires a different focus. It means opening to them, accepting that mountains have lessons on life they can teach us.

While I needed those lessons, I was no more open to learning them than anyone else. The Christian priest of this Highland area peddled around on his old bike, looking for a warm kitchen where he could pause over a mug of tea or dram of whisky and let the rain steam from his cassock. The parishioners he cared for were relatively few, and so they saw him regularly. He needed their sympathetic ears for his tales of the occult and black magic, the practice of which he saw as being the most active religion of the area. Dressed in black with a crucifix hanging around his neck, his crusade against paganism was solo and forlorn.

Pagan appreciation of mountains is not sacred. It is thralldom. People view the world as a competitive place, and want to side with what they perceive as the strongest party. They worship a mountain for the protection it can give them.

Every week a helicopter passed above my Glencoe home, on its way to pick up the body of a fallen climber. We speak of "conquering" mountains. Try and compete with them in this way and we face the consequences. Mountains have no interest in competition. A sacred approach requires respecting the mountains for the might and integrity they represent. When we learn to do that, mountains begin to hold us in mutual regard.

After years, I fled Glencoe. I had no way of matching those mountains. The sky was sealed in darkness as rains poured hour by hour, day by day, month by month, sixty inches already by the March of the year I left. I sat at my desk, looked out of the window on banks of cloud tumbling down a mountainside, and felt the same fear I would before an avalanche. A fear of being smothered to extinction.

The mountains the world holds sacred are approachable ones. Everybody has something to teach, but only some of us are teachers. Maybe these mountains of Glencoe are not teaching ones. They flank "the valley of weeping", swirled in the rain and mists of their own alternative activity. My presence was tolerated, but scarcely welcomed.

Perhaps Glencoe is where mountains grieve for the wounds we inflict on the Earth.






Note : When interviewed some years ago by 'The Scotsman' Saville looked uncomfortable as the conversation turned to the ghosts of Glen Coe. He kept trying to change the subject. Nervously he joked “If there are ghosts – why do none of them look like lap-dancers?”

Savile later professed to a very special relationship with the area around Glencoe which blossomed after Savile rode a bicycle through Glencoe at the end of the Second World War. He immediately fell in love with the wild and rugged landscape and determined that one day he would have a house there. Forty years later Saville became the owner of one of the very few privately owned houses in the area.

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Scotland's Sacred Mountains


by Martin J. Goodman


For some years I lived in Glencoe, up in the Scottish Highlands. Famous for its massacre, when one Scottish clan slaughtered another, a translation for its name is "the valley of weeping". The road to Glencoe winds across Rannoch Moor, a ranging wilderness that has been swum, skied, and walked across in different seasons. Beyond such rare incursions, it is spectacularly unpeopled.

After miles of level moorland, the thin road streaks toward a mountain. Buchaille Etive Mor, which translates as the Great Shepherd of the Glen, bulks large and gray. To the left a single-track road twists down Glen Etive, the childhood home of Ian Fleming, the writer and creator of James Bond. The main road curves to the right of the mountain and enters Glencoe.

The topography has names here. To the right is Anvil Rock, a raised bluff of flat land where Queen Victoria once rode in a carriage to have a picnic. Beyond it the mountainside is scaled by a steep zigzag of a path known as The Devil's Staircase. Ranged to the left, largely green and defined by the mists and cloud that stream between them, are a trio of round-topped mountains that appear to be leaning into the valley. They are known as The Three Sisters.

Why are they called sisters and not brothers? How does a mountain come to be viewed as a shepherd of a whole landscape? Roots of an awareness of mountains, when we knew their gender and their purpose, are buried in the language.

People are pulled in many thousand to the mountains of Scotland, but they come with little sense of pilgrimage. There is talk about "the magic of the mountains", but little perception of their sacredness. Magic calls for entrancement, while holding mountains as sacred requires a different focus. It means opening to them, accepting that mountains have lessons on life they can teach us.

While I needed those lessons, I was no more open to learning them than anyone else. The Christian priest of this Highland area peddled around on his old bike, looking for a warm kitchen where he could pause over a mug of tea or dram of whisky and let the rain steam from his cassock. The parishioners he cared for were relatively few, and so they saw him regularly. He needed their sympathetic ears for his tales of the occult and black magic, the practice of which he saw as being the most active religion of the area. Dressed in black with a crucifix hanging around his neck, his crusade against paganism was solo and forlorn.

Pagan appreciation of mountains is not sacred. It is thralldom. People view the world as a competitive place, and want to side with what they perceive as the strongest party. They worship a mountain for the protection it can give them.

Every week a helicopter passed above my Glencoe home, on its way to pick up the body of a fallen climber. We speak of "conquering" mountains. Try and compete with them in this way and we face the consequences. Mountains have no interest in competition. A sacred approach requires respecting the mountains for the might and integrity they represent. When we learn to do that, mountains begin to hold us in mutual regard.

After years, I fled Glencoe. I had no way of matching those mountains. The sky was sealed in darkness as rains poured hour by hour, day by day, month by month, sixty inches already by the March of the year I left. I sat at my desk, looked out of the window on banks of cloud tumbling down a mountainside, and felt the same fear I would before an avalanche. A fear of being smothered to extinction.

The mountains the world holds sacred are approachable ones. Everybody has something to teach, but only some of us are teachers. Maybe these mountains of Glencoe are not teaching ones. They flank "the valley of weeping", swirled in the rain and mists of their own alternative activity. My presence was tolerated, but scarcely welcomed.

Perhaps Glencoe is where mountains grieve for the wounds we inflict on the Earth.






Note : When interviewed some years ago by 'The Scotsman' Saville looked uncomfortable as the conversation turned to the ghosts of Glen Coe. He kept trying to change the subject. Nervously he joked “If there are ghosts – why do none of them look like lap-dancers?”

Savile later professed to a very special relationship with the area around Glencoe which blossomed after Savile rode a bicycle through Glencoe at the end of the Second World War. He immediately fell in love with the wild and rugged landscape and determined that one day he would have a house there. Forty years later Saville became the owner of one of the very few privately owned houses in the area.
The ghosts of Glencoe

Do the victims of an infamous massacre still haunt this beautiful glen? Gary Hayden reports

Glencoe is one of Scotland’s most scenic glens. Indeed, the sheer scale, grandeur and beauty of its rugged peaks could hardly be bettered. Small wonder, then, that it attracts walkers, climbers, nature-lovers and winter-sports enthusiasts from all over the world.

But Glencoe is every bit as famous for its history as its scenery, because it was the scene of one of the most notorious events in Scottish history: the premeditated slaughter of 38 men, women and children of the clan MacDonald.

THE GLENCOE MASSACRE In August 1691, King William III (II of Scotland) decreed that all of the clan chiefs in The Highlands of Scotland must take an Oath of Loyalty to him. Alasdair, chief of the MacIain MacDonalds of Glencoe left it rather late to comply, and was further delayed by unlucky circumstances and unsympathetic officials. Consequently he missed the January 1st deadline by two days.

The authorities used his late-signing as an excuse to make an example of his clan.

Government forces from the garrison at Fort William, under the command of Captain Robert Campbell of Glenlyon, were ordered: ‘to fall upon the rebells, the McDonalds of Glenco, and putt all to the sword under Seventy.’ Posing as peaceful visitors, Campbell’s troops were billeted on the MacDonalds for almost a fortnight. Then, in the early hours of February 13th 1692, they set about murdering their hosts as they slept. Thirty-eight of the Glencoe MacDonalds were slaughtered. Those who escaped fled to the winter hills where many of them died from exposure. The massacre was regarded as a heinous example of ‘murder under trust’ and caused widespread outrage. John Dalrymple, the Master of Stair, who had orchestrated the plan, bore the brunt of the criticism, though he escaped severe punishment and was later created Earl of Stair.

GHOSTS OF GLENCOE As the scene of such an infamous slaughter, it is hardly surprising that Glencoe has acquired a reputation for being haunted. The ghosts of the MacIain MacDonalds, unable to rest in peace after been torn so violently and cruelly from life, are said to still inhabit the glen.

Most tourists visit Glencoe in summer, but winter is the best time to experience its ghostly grandeur.

At this time, the mountains appear at their starkest and most forbidding, and shifting mists add an eerie, unworldly quality to the landscape.

The best time of all is early in the morning on February 13th, the anniversary of the massacre. This is when the melancholy presence of the murdered MacDonalds is most strongly felt.

On this day, some people claim to have glimpsed the ghostly shadows of the fugitive clansmen crouching amongst the rocks and trees on the hillsides. There are even those who claim to have seen the massacre re-enacted, or to have heard the screams and cries of those who perished.

According to one rather fanciful legend, a troop of phantom pipers led the government soldiers astray as they made their way back from Glencoe to Fort William. Some folk say that the plaintiff wail of their pipes still sometimes echoes through the valley.

These supernatural sights and sounds are enough to strike fear into the hearts of anyone – but especially those who go by the name of Campbell.

PLACES TO VISIT In fine weather, visitors can stroll out from the National Trust Visitor Centre to some fine, atmospheric sites associated with the Glencoe massacre.

The 1.5km Village Walk leading from the Visitor Centre to the village passes the ruins of Inverrigan House. This was built during the late 19th century on the site of an earlier house where nine of the MacDonald clan were slain. Nine Scots pine trees, planted around the ruins, stand in remembrance of them.

At the eastern end of Glencoe village stands the Massacre Memorial where the events of February 13th 1692 are commemorated each year.

Finally, there is a lovely 2.5 km walk that leads from the Visitor Centre, through woodland, to a rocky outcrop known as Signal Rock. According to tradition, this is where the members of the clan MacDonald used to meet in times of peril. Another popular legend has it that it was from this point that the signal was given to Campbell’s men to begin the massacre.

Legends and traditions aside, Signal Rock is a fine natural viewpoint, which affords stunning views of the glen.

Vistor information Details of the Village Walk and the Signal Rock walk available from the National Trust for Scotland Visitor Centre. www.glencoe-nts.org.uk Tel: +44 (0)844 493 2222 Email: [email protected] Wailing washerwoman There are lots of Celtic folk-tales about bean-nighe or ‘washing women.’ These eerie harbingers of doom come in two varieties: the banshee and the caoineag.

The banshee (Gaelic bean si, ‘fairy woman’) is most often associated with Ireland, but she also inhabits the Highlands and islands of Scotland. Her appearance at a river or stream is an omen of violent death. She wails or sings a funeral lament as she washes the bloodstained clothes of those about to die.

With care, it is possible to approach a banshee and take hold of her. She must then name those who are about to die, and according to some accounts will grant three wishes.

Unlike the banshee, the caoineag is invisible to the human eye. Her presence known only by her heart-stopping cries. She will be heard wailing at a waterfall the night before a calamity overtakes her clan.

It is wise to give the caoineag a wide birth, since she will lash out at the legs of passers-by with her wet washing.

Those stricken are often left paralysed. It is said that the caoineag of the MacDonalds was heard wailing on the night before the Glencoe massacre, and that some of the clan took warning from her cries and fled into the mountains. As a result, the bloodshed was not quite so widespread as it might have been The Curse of Scotland For 300 years, the nine of diamonds in a pack of playing-cards has been known as ‘The Curse of Scotland.’ There are a number of stories to account for this. The most persuasive is that the card resemble the family crest of the Master of Stair, John Dalrymple, who authorised the Glencoe Massacre.

Some accounts say that Dalrymple used the card to send a cryptic message ordering the killings.

http://www.scotlandmag.com/magazine/.../12008789.html
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Old 14-12-2012, 11:23 PM   #32803
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Breaking on Sky....

Royal Hospital Says It Stood By Hoax Nurse
http://news.sky.com/story/1025738/ro...-by-hoax-nurse
A hospital has told an MP representing the family of a nurse found dead after a prank call that it had stood “by her judgement” to put the call through.

In a letter sent to Keith Vaz MP, the chief executive of the King Edward VII Hospital said Jacintha Saldanha had been "reassured on a number of occasions by senior managers" and offered support in the aftermath of the hoax.


I dont want to be flamed here.....But a miscarriage announcement is not far off.
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Old 14-12-2012, 11:23 PM   #32804
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Nice first post, you seem very knowledgeable. Please stick around, and welcome to the forum! Yes the whole thread needs copy editing in one sense, but IMHO it is far more important to just leave it be. We have to remember, the thread is in realtime, with people worldwide posting at odd hours - also, lots of passion and arguments - it replicates real life, and real life sometimes makes hard reading in raw edit transcript form - conversations also are often scattered over hours and days...

One day I'll read the whole thing again with fresh eyes and a notebook to hand, because within this thread I honestly believe the answers to the whole VILE enigma are to be found. I have a few questions for you in a bitz, catching up on the school shooting at the moment!

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+1 Agree 100% This thread has become such a big part of my life and expect a lot on here feel the same. It is a daily diary of my own awakening to the horrors, abuse, lies and deceit that have happened over the years and we are still facing now. There has been tears, joy, excitement, tantrums, fights(well handbags at dawn) and laughter. Editing would lose the human touch this thread has
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'I've finished killing her now': Uncle, 38, murdered niece, 12, while acting out a fantasy from his collection of violent porn

A schoolgirl was lured into a trap by her pornography-obsessed uncle to fulfil his sick obsession with murdering a child.

John Maden, 38, who had downloaded a collection of sadistic 'snuff' movies from the internet, enticed his 12-year-old niece Tia Rigg to his home on the pretext of getting her to look after his daughter.

Instead he drugged the unsuspecting youngster before torturing and abusing her, then stabbing her in the stomach and strangling her with a guitar string.

Minutes later, Maden made a chilling 999 call in which he confessed to the horrific murder which he said he'd committed 'because I felt like it'.
Today he was ordered to serve the rest of his life behind bars for what a judge branded his 'unspeakable' crime, joining the ranks of Britain's most notorious murderers including Ian Brady and Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe.

The tragic case once again highlights the depraved material available for anyone to access on the internet. It will also raise new concerns about Salford social services which had been monitoring Tia and last year came under fire over the killing of a vulnerable toddler.

Jobless Maden had become fascinated with sadistic 'snuff' movies - films showing a murder being committed - while downloading a sick library of violent pornography and explicit images of children, a court heard today.
Tia, the daughter of Maden's sister, Lynne, frequently came round to his home in Cheetham Hill, Manchester, to babysit for his ten-year-old daughter, and he secretly began plotting to act out his dreadful fantasy on her.
Searches of a laptop computer found he had done extensive research into killing, including downloading texts with a variety of violent titles.
The divorced father-of-one also downloaded more than 2,000 explicit images from the internet including the most extreme level five categories of child porn - police sources said he had obtained most of such photographs that are in existence.

On April 3 Maden called his sister and asked if Tia could come round to babysit, before drugging the youngster with tablets he had been given to combat his psychotic episodes. Just 45 minutes after she arrived, Maden dialled 999 and made a 'chillingly calm' call to report what he had done. Police officers found Tia's naked body with her hands tied behind her back and surrounded by two knives and a sex toy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz11ZqxqDuO
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Angry Ossian's cave, Aonach Dubh, Glencoe

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The ghosts of Glencoe

Do the victims of an infamous massacre still haunt this beautiful glen? Gary Hayden reports

Glencoe is one of Scotland’s most scenic glens. Indeed, the sheer scale, grandeur and beauty of its rugged peaks could hardly be bettered. Small wonder, then, that it attracts walkers, climbers, nature-lovers and winter-sports enthusiasts from all over the world.

But Glencoe is every bit as famous for its history as its scenery, because it was the scene of one of the most notorious events in Scottish history: the premeditated slaughter of 38 men, women and children of the clan MacDonald.

THE GLENCOE MASSACRE In August 1691, King William III (II of Scotland) decreed that all of the clan chiefs in The Highlands of Scotland must take an Oath of Loyalty to him. Alasdair, chief of the MacIain MacDonalds of Glencoe left it rather late to comply, and was further delayed by unlucky circumstances and unsympathetic officials. Consequently he missed the January 1st deadline by two days.

The authorities used his late-signing as an excuse to make an example of his clan.

Government forces from the garrison at Fort William, under the command of Captain Robert Campbell of Glenlyon, were ordered: ‘to fall upon the rebells, the McDonalds of Glenco, and putt all to the sword under Seventy.’ Posing as peaceful visitors, Campbell’s troops were billeted on the MacDonalds for almost a fortnight. Then, in the early hours of February 13th 1692, they set about murdering their hosts as they slept. Thirty-eight of the Glencoe MacDonalds were slaughtered. Those who escaped fled to the winter hills where many of them died from exposure. The massacre was regarded as a heinous example of ‘murder under trust’ and caused widespread outrage. John Dalrymple, the Master of Stair, who had orchestrated the plan, bore the brunt of the criticism, though he escaped severe punishment and was later created Earl of Stair.

GHOSTS OF GLENCOE As the scene of such an infamous slaughter, it is hardly surprising that Glencoe has acquired a reputation for being haunted. The ghosts of the MacIain MacDonalds, unable to rest in peace after been torn so violently and cruelly from life, are said to still inhabit the glen.

Most tourists visit Glencoe in summer, but winter is the best time to experience its ghostly grandeur.

At this time, the mountains appear at their starkest and most forbidding, and shifting mists add an eerie, unworldly quality to the landscape.

The best time of all is early in the morning on February 13th, the anniversary of the massacre. This is when the melancholy presence of the murdered MacDonalds is most strongly felt.

On this day, some people claim to have glimpsed the ghostly shadows of the fugitive clansmen crouching amongst the rocks and trees on the hillsides. There are even those who claim to have seen the massacre re-enacted, or to have heard the screams and cries of those who perished.

According to one rather fanciful legend, a troop of phantom pipers led the government soldiers astray as they made their way back from Glencoe to Fort William. Some folk say that the plaintiff wail of their pipes still sometimes echoes through the valley.

These supernatural sights and sounds are enough to strike fear into the hearts of anyone – but especially those who go by the name of Campbell.

PLACES TO VISIT In fine weather, visitors can stroll out from the National Trust Visitor Centre to some fine, atmospheric sites associated with the Glencoe massacre.

The 1.5km Village Walk leading from the Visitor Centre to the village passes the ruins of Inverrigan House. This was built during the late 19th century on the site of an earlier house where nine of the MacDonald clan were slain. Nine Scots pine trees, planted around the ruins, stand in remembrance of them.

At the eastern end of Glencoe village stands the Massacre Memorial where the events of February 13th 1692 are commemorated each year.

Finally, there is a lovely 2.5 km walk that leads from the Visitor Centre, through woodland, to a rocky outcrop known as Signal Rock. According to tradition, this is where the members of the clan MacDonald used to meet in times of peril. Another popular legend has it that it was from this point that the signal was given to Campbell’s men to begin the massacre.

Legends and traditions aside, Signal Rock is a fine natural viewpoint, which affords stunning views of the glen.

Vistor information Details of the Village Walk and the Signal Rock walk available from the National Trust for Scotland Visitor Centre. www.glencoe-nts.org.uk Tel: +44 (0)844 493 2222 Email: [email protected] Wailing washerwoman There are lots of Celtic folk-tales about bean-nighe or ‘washing women.’ These eerie harbingers of doom come in two varieties: the banshee and the caoineag.

The banshee (Gaelic bean si, ‘fairy woman’) is most often associated with Ireland, but she also inhabits the Highlands and islands of Scotland. Her appearance at a river or stream is an omen of violent death. She wails or sings a funeral lament as she washes the bloodstained clothes of those about to die.

With care, it is possible to approach a banshee and take hold of her. She must then name those who are about to die, and according to some accounts will grant three wishes.

Unlike the banshee, the caoineag is invisible to the human eye. Her presence known only by her heart-stopping cries. She will be heard wailing at a waterfall the night before a calamity overtakes her clan.

It is wise to give the caoineag a wide birth, since she will lash out at the legs of passers-by with her wet washing.

Those stricken are often left paralysed. It is said that the caoineag of the MacDonalds was heard wailing on the night before the Glencoe massacre, and that some of the clan took warning from her cries and fled into the mountains. As a result, the bloodshed was not quite so widespread as it might have been The Curse of Scotland For 300 years, the nine of diamonds in a pack of playing-cards has been known as ‘The Curse of Scotland.’ There are a number of stories to account for this. The most persuasive is that the card resemble the family crest of the Master of Stair, John Dalrymple, who authorised the Glencoe Massacre.

Some accounts say that Dalrymple used the card to send a cryptic message ordering the killings.

http://www.scotlandmag.com/magazine/.../12008789.html


Ossian's cave on Aonach Dubh (Black ridge), one of the Three Sisters. the other two are Gearr Aonach (Short ridge) and Beinn Fhada (long hill). There is also the Hidden Glen.

It is nigh on impossible to find out if vile was a Scottish landowner (and owned a mountain) as the Scottish govt are not bothered to make a register of landowners so there are huge areas where nobody is any the wiser as to who owns what but ensure the land is kept devoid of people.

There are hill tracks (which need no planning permission) which run over practically every hill- for 4x4s and shooting 'sport'.

There are thousands of acres of peat bogs, areas practically untouched for millenia.

Glencoe? Creepy and dark as fuck long before vile moved there. He probably fed from it's energy.
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Why wasn't alleged Pedophile Mick Jagger Jailed?

mick jagger, Her father, the late “Papa John” Phillips, was so upset he wrote a song about it, coincidentally titled “Just 14.” The song “addresses a quickie Jagger enjoyed with actress Mackenzie Phillips (One Day At A Time) at a mid-’70s party, while John pounded on the bedroom door in an attempt to rescue his very underage daughter. ‘I’m not going into that one,’ says Phillips. ‘That’s Mackenzie’s business. But I will say that later we all had tea and laughed and laughed.’” Hmmm, a fourteen-year-old. Maybe we should just call him “Father Mick.”


Liberals cheered for the geriatric rocker and alleged pedophile Mick Jagger.
It seems that pedophile laws do not apply to democrats or liberals?

you see little things like statutory rape don’t even get in the way of a knighthood and of course we know how Liberals feel about punishing their stars when it comes to statutory and sexua| abuse.

We all remember when President Jimmy Carter Pardoned peter yarrow of Peter Paul and Mary for his crime of trying to viciously rape a 14 year old fan who came to his motel room for an autograph.

so much for chivalry. You see, Mick Jagger had sex with young actress actress Mackenzie Phillips when she was just 14.( of course this was not related to her having serious bouts with depression?)

Her father, the late “Papa John” Phillips, was so upset he wrote a song about it, coincidentally titled “Just 14.” The song “addresses a quickie Jagger enjoyed with actress Mackenzie Phillips (One Day At A Time) at a mid-’70s party, while John pounded on the bedroom door in an attempt to rescue his very underage daughter. ‘I’m not going into that one,’ says Phillips. ‘That’s Mackenzie’s business. But I will say that later we all had tea and laughed and laughed.’” Hmmm, a fourteen-year-old. Maybe we should just call him “Father Mick.”

Apparently to the mainstream media and the liberal devotees to anyone on the left whom are free of prosecution for the crime of sexua| assault. This is one of the many crimes of the left that are just laughed at by the so called compassionate left
whom treat many of thier sexua| abuse victims as well as they treat an unwanted fetus

This is astonishingly from
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welcome to newcomers.

lookiing forward to seeing some more of your research bejesus.

And anyone know what is happening regarding the Keith Allen vid that it seems cannot be mentioned now!

last night DI put up an article about it with links to the russian tube 3 part version (rutube one is still up now)
I login today and all links and posts on the forum removed, DI's artticle removed WTF?

the only reason that makes sense considering it's nothing DI hasn't said before according to his article, is that Keith Allen maybe complained, Why has DI gone all para and removed it and mods removed all posts on the forum, is it part of the plot or what!

Will I get this post removed or even banned for even daring to ask about it? are we allowed to at least talk about what we thought of the film? (admittedly in another thread if we are allowed)

Feck I gave up with so called truther forums a year or so back and thought that at least here things were less likely to be censored even if there are a lot of twats/trolls on here at times.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-granite.html



The star wanted to be buried under the epitaph he dreamed up years ago - "It was good while it lasted."

But no one bargained on a potted biography referring to him as "Chieftan of Lochaber Highland Games" in 18mm gold letters on one of the 18inch thick slabs.

lol wtf !!

By the way also mentions



The star's dying wish to be buried at a 45 degree angle in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, last year meant months had to pass before the ground was firm enough to plant his tall memorial.

There was also further hold-up because of a now discredited claim by Georgina Ray, of Cannock, Staffordshire, to be Sir Jimmy's daughter - which delayed the inscription.
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Jailed for 238 years for raping his own children the Beast of Sligo is out mixing with the public

Wearing a flat cap and clutching a plastic bag, this white-haired pensioner looks like any regular grandad.

But the man seen mingling among ­youngsters at a car boot sale yesterday is, in fact, Joseph McColgan – one of the most evil paedophiles ever to set foot in ­Britain.
He was dubbed The Beast of Sligo, after his home county in Ireland, where he was jailed in 1995 for a record 238 years for repeatedly raping and beating his own children.
He was released in 2004 after ­serving only nine years of his 26 ­concurrent sentences – the longest of which was 12 years and imposed 18 times.
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His offences included trying to force his then nine-year-old son to have sex with his seven-year-old daughter. He was also jailed for abusing all four of his children with cattle prods and even burning them.

On his release from jail, McColgan, 69, fled to Britain, where he settled in Exmouth, Devon. But last year he was jailed again for child porn ­offences.

Now, having served less than half of his latest 30-month sentence, he is free to walk the streets again.

McColgan has since been ­staying in a bail hostel in ­Plymouth, Devon.

Yesterday he cycled to a local car boot sale where he chatted to an ­unsuspecting young lad while haggling over a set of spanners for his bike.

He also looked at stalls selling children’s toys.

When confronted by the Sunday Mirror over claims he had been ogling young girls from a bus stop since his release, ­McColgan hissed: “That’s lies. They are telling lies.”

He said he had not yet ­decided where he would settle permanently.­ “I don’t know where I will live,” he said. “I cannot talk to you. I’m on ­parole.”

Other ex-cons staying at his hostel have nicknamed him “The Father” because they mistakenly believe that as an Irish sex ­offender he may have been a priest in the past.

He currently shares a room with another child sex offender, but has previously shared with a number of young offenders.

A source said: “He buys the young ones presents and lends them money. He will sneak around and appear out of nowhere – it’s creepy. He’s very paranoid and never tells anyone where he’s going.

“He often changes his clothes to ­disguise himself and always changes his routes.”

McColgan was arrested last year on his way back to Britain from an unauthorised trip to Ireland. He was found in possession of ­images of men sexually abusing ­children.

He received an 18-month jail sentence for not notifying police of his trip, plus 12 months for making ­indecent images of ­children.

When Exeter Crown Court Judge Graham Cottle jailed him, he branded him “very dangerous” and expressed regret that he could not give him a longer sentence. He told him: “You are a danger to children, and upon your release I very much hope that you are supervised to the highest possible level by the ­authorities.”
But McColgan – who is unlikely to be deported back to Ireland – has few ­restrictions on his movements, apart from ­having to ­return to the hostel to sign in every two hours. He is also subject to an 8pm–8am curfew.

A National Offender Management Service spokesman said: “Sex offenders released on licence are supervised in the community by the Probation
Service and the police.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...hildren-185684

Paedophile gets 238yrs in prison, and is released after 9........fuck off
How many more times can i be unable to take all this shit in? I really can't get my head around what has happened and continues to happen on this sick planet. Someone has to be able to explain the decision making process here, Surely.
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Director of Fugees video 'Killing Me Softly' charged with impregnating daughters

The world was horrified when we heard about the 73-year-old Austrian man who confessed to imprisoning his daughter in a windowless cellar for 24 years and fathering her seven children.

Today, we are just as horrified to learn about the MTV award-winning director of the Fugee’s video, Aswad Ayinde, who fathered six kids with his daughters from the mid 1980’s to 2002.

Ayinde did this in order to create a “pure” bloodline. He even delivered the babies himself. Aswad Ayinde who most recently lived in New Jersey, also had nine kids with his ex-wife Beverly and at least three more with two other women in Brooklyn.

According to news sources, Beverly Avinde who was married to Aswad in 1977 told the court that she was afraid to ever accuse him of being demented or being a pedophile. She knew the word, but she didn’t dare use it because it would result in a beating.

Avinde who is being held on $1 million bond has 27 charges against him, including aggravated sexual assault, sexual assault, lewdness, child endangerment, aggravated criminal sexual contact and criminal sexual contact. He is also known as Charles McGill and faces the first of five trials next month - one for each daughter he allegedly violated, said the Passaic County prosecutor’s office.

His arrest prompted a probe by the New Jersey Division of Youth and Family Services to determine how the suspect allegedly turned his daughters into sex slaves without their knowing. Some of the crimes allegedly occurred while the family was under scrutiny by DYFS - and after Avinde admitted in 2000 to the attempt to snatch his children from a hospital while the state had temporary custody.

Prosecutors said Ayinde kept the kids from talking by beating them with wooden boards or kicking them with steel-toed boots. When news reporters visited the home of one of Avinde’s children in New Jersey, a young woman said Ayinde was her father but refused to talk about the case. She told news reporters that "It's a painful thing. It's not something we're going to talk about outside of our family. The truth is coming out now, after a long time. That's it."

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Ossian's cave on Aonach Dubh (Black ridge), one of the Three Sisters. the other two are Gearr Aonach (Short ridge) and Beinn Fhada (long hill). There is also the Hidden Glen.

It is nigh on impossible to find out if vile was a Scottish landowner (and owned a mountain) as the Scottish govt are not bothered to make a register of landowners so there are huge areas where nobody is any the wiser as to who owns what but ensure the land is kept devoid of people.

There are hill tracks (which need no planning permission) which run over practically every hill- for 4x4s and shooting 'sport'.

There are thousands of acres of peat bogs, areas practically untouched for millenia.

Glencoe? Creepy and dark as fuck long before vile moved there. He probably fed from it's energy.
Reminds of the pics of the Moors..........

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Wow Bejesus, what an amazing post!

Some have theorised that Russell Brand might be taking over the Joker role within the elite after his 'jester' antics at the Olympics but I am not so sure. He talks about the illuminati a little bit and is obviously aware of pressing geo-political issues (and has interviewed Icke etc) but doesn't seem to have the contacts Saville did.

Saville had contacts within police, military, the RC church, criminals, hospitals, royals, media and celebrity circles - even the Knesset, he claimed. He was the ultimate spider sitting in his psychopathic web. Who else, right now, can compete?

He was also 'a fixer' in the true sense of the word - an intermediary between the criminal underworld and the police: 'the craft criminal does not always do his own bribing, but operates through a third party "a fixer", who specialises in straightening cases.' (Images of Deviance.. ed Stanley Cohen, p116).

Max Clifford is also well connected, but doesn't have the same elite contacts nor the buffoon persona.

Stephen Purdew, owner of Champneys, also cultivates contacts with police, media, celebrities, sports personalities (Bruno) and MPs (Tony Blair) and sees himself as some kind of facilitator, but there again I cannot see him as the jester.

Boris seemed quite jolly as he giggled with Camilla at the Olympics - perhaps he would be a candidate for the role..? He certainly plays up the buffoon angle. Who knows?

We need to keep a close look at who is let in to socialise with the younger royals - but at the moment, all in all, Savile seems to have been repulsively unique!
Graham norton? Nah, he's too nice.
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Old 14-12-2012, 11:43 PM   #32814
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+1 Agree 100% This thread has become such a big part of my life and expect a lot on here feel the same. It is a daily diary of my own awakening to the horrors, abuse, lies and deceit that have happened over the years and we are still facing now. There has been tears, joy, excitement, tantrums, fights(well handbags at dawn) and laughter. Editing would lose the human touch this thread has

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Masonry revived in 1764, when the bodies resumed their labors under the guidance of a Grand Lodge at Geneva. But Switzerland, like France, has been sorely visited with Masonic dissensions, and there at one time existed two or three conflicting Grand Lodges; within a few years, however, a reconciliation has taken place, and the brethren now all acknowledge the authority of the National Grand Lodge of Switzerland, situate at Berne, who now exercise Masonic jurisdiction under the name of Alpine ; their constitution is similar to that of Great Britain, but only recognizes the three degrees of Ancient Craft Masonry.

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Breaking on Sky....

Royal Hospital Says It Stood By Hoax Nurse
http://news.sky.com/story/1025738/ro...-by-hoax-nurse
A hospital has told an MP representing the family of a nurse found dead after a prank call that it had stood “by her judgement” to put the call through.

In a letter sent to Keith Vaz MP, the chief executive of the King Edward VII Hospital said Jacintha Saldanha had been "reassured on a number of occasions by senior managers" and offered support in the aftermath of the hoax.


I dont want to be flamed here.....But a miscarriage announcement is not far off.
Trust me.....
Oh agree, this thing just does not add up BUT if she is so ill how come Wills is attending film premiers etc, laughing and joking!!?? Plus V he is a reptile of the highest order
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How many more times can i be unable to take all this shit in? I really can't get my head around what has happened and continues to happen on this sick planet. Someone has to be able to explain the decision making process here, Surely.
its a tumor on society.......it needs to be cut off and every single paedophile cunt trown in a well that has no bottom. everyday there is a paedophile being found.....there are more paedophile crimes than paeople dying from heroin everyday............
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Masonry revived in 1764, when the bodies resumed their labors under the guidance of a Grand Lodge at Geneva. But Switzerland, like France, has been sorely visited with Masonic dissensions, and there at one time existed two or three conflicting Grand Lodges; within a few years, however, a reconciliation has taken place, and the brethren now all acknowledge the authority of the National Grand Lodge of Switzerland, situate at Berne, who now exercise Masonic jurisdiction under the name of Alpine ; their constitution is similar to that of Great Britain, but only recognizes the three degrees of Ancient Craft Masonry.

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"It wasn't rape, it was sexsomnia": Hollyoaks actor denies sex attack on teen - saying he was asleep

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Simon Morris, 42, claimed he had no memory of the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl which he said must have happened in his sleep


Accused: Simon Morris denied raping a 15-year-old girl, blaming a sleeping disorder called sexsomnia
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A Former Hollyoaks actor told a court yesterday he had sex with a 15-year-old girl while he was sleepwalking.

Denying charges of rape and assault, Simon Morris, 42, claimed he had no memory of the alleged incident which he said must have happened in his sleep, when he was suffering from an attack of sexsomnia.

He told Cardiff crown court the condition had led him to gyrate against door frames and have sex with partners in his sleep.

Mr Morris, who also appeared in Michael Caine film Shiner, told the jury: “I once engaged in sexual activity with a recent ex-girlfriend. I climbed on top of her in the middle of a night in a blank state.

“I have also had partial sex with my current partner and gyrated against her leg.”

His explanation was ridiculed by Sue Ferrier, prosecuting, who called his sexsomnia claim “feeble excuses to escape the inevitable”.

Ms Ferrier said the defendant took an interest in the teenager during a party in Newport, Gwent, last year.

He winked at her, helped her pour drinks and offered her a place to stay with him in London.

The girl ended up drunk on cocktails and her father, also at the party, put her to sleep upstairs. Morris then checked on her after she was sick and carried her into another bed, the court heard.

Her father tried to wake his daughter at 6am to go home, but left her as she was fast asleep.

Later at 6.30am the girl said she had been raped. A statement from the 15-year-old was read out in court in which she described waking to see Morris standing in front of her, touching her sexually before having sex with her.

The actor denied having intercourse with her until he was given DNA evidence.

His girlfriend gave evidence maintaining Morris had once tried to have sex with her while he was asleep and Mr Morris said he had undergone testing at a sleep clinic in Edinburgh to try to understand what could have happened.

The trial continues.

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Why wasn't alleged Pedophile Mick Jagger Jailed?

mick jagger, Her father, the late “Papa John” Phillips, was so upset he wrote a song about it, coincidentally titled “Just 14.” The song “addresses a quickie Jagger enjoyed with actress Mackenzie Phillips (One Day At A Time) at a mid-’70s party, while John pounded on the bedroom door in an attempt to rescue his very underage daughter. ‘I’m not going into that one,’ says Phillips. ‘That’s Mackenzie’s business. But I will say that later we all had tea and laughed and laughed.’” Hmmm, a fourteen-year-old. Maybe we should just call him “Father Mick.”


Liberals cheered for the geriatric rocker and alleged pedophile Mick Jagger.
It seems that pedophile laws do not apply to democrats or liberals?

you see little things like statutory rape don’t even get in the way of a knighthood and of course we know how Liberals feel about punishing their stars when it comes to statutory and sexua| abuse.

We all remember when President Jimmy Carter Pardoned peter yarrow of Peter Paul and Mary for his crime of trying to viciously rape a 14 year old fan who came to his motel room for an autograph.

so much for chivalry. You see, Mick Jagger had sex with young actress actress Mackenzie Phillips when she was just 14.( of course this was not related to her having serious bouts with depression?)

Her father, the late “Papa John” Phillips, was so upset he wrote a song about it, coincidentally titled “Just 14.” The song “addresses a quickie Jagger enjoyed with actress Mackenzie Phillips (One Day At A Time) at a mid-’70s party, while John pounded on the bedroom door in an attempt to rescue his very underage daughter. ‘I’m not going into that one,’ says Phillips. ‘That’s Mackenzie’s business. But I will say that later we all had tea and laughed and laughed.’” Hmmm, a fourteen-year-old. Maybe we should just call him “Father Mick.”

Apparently to the mainstream media and the liberal devotees to anyone on the left whom are free of prosecution for the crime of sexua| assault. This is one of the many crimes of the left that are just laughed at by the so called compassionate left
whom treat many of thier sexua| abuse victims as well as they treat an unwanted fetus

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this is probably the only song about sexual child murder dont blame the messenger of the time though
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Ossian's cave on Aonach Dubh (Black ridge), one of the Three Sisters. the other two are Gearr Aonach (Short ridge) and Beinn Fhada (long hill). There is also the Hidden Glen.

It is nigh on impossible to find out if vile was a Scottish landowner (and owned a mountain) as the Scottish govt are not bothered to make a register of landowners so there are huge areas where nobody is any the wiser as to who owns what but ensure the land is kept devoid of people.

There are hill tracks (which need no planning permission) which run over practically every hill- for 4x4s and shooting 'sport'.

There are thousands of acres of peat bogs, areas practically untouched for millenia.

Glencoe? Creepy and dark as fuck long before vile moved there. He probably fed from it's energy.
Oh remember Glencoe well..was an avid hill walker a few years back. Got stuck on a ridge on that bloody hill, disco knee set in thought I was a goner!

But another weird place is Lochnager, I tried to climb it at night, it gave of such an evil presence. Failed...Was actually shaking when came down. Even when I conquered it in daylight it gave off bad vibes! Balmoral is just around the corner. I have climbed most hills in Scotland but only Lochnager and Glencoe both gave off horrible vibes
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