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Old 31-08-2012, 01:07 AM   #1
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What he really said..
Actually worth a read..Does he come accross as really clued in and offer sound peacful soulutions,or ring true to any one else?
Or am i an extremist

http://tehrantimes.com/politics/1010...ader-tells-nam

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

All praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the Two Worlds, and may peace and blessings be upon the greatest and trustworthy Messenger and on his pure progeny, his select companions, and all the prophets and divine envoys.

I welcome you honorable guests, the leaders and delegations representing the member states of the Non-Aligned Movement, and all the other participants of this great international summit.

We have gathered here to continue a movement with God’s guidance and assistance and to give it new life and momentum on the basis of the current conditions and needs in the world. The movement was founded almost six decades ago thanks to the intelligence and courage of a few caring and responsible political leaders who were aware of the conditions and circumstances of their time.

Our guests have gathered here from different geographical locations, far and near, and they belong to different nationalities and races with different ideological, cultural and historical characteristics, but just as Ahmad Sukarno, one of the founders of this movement said in the famous Bandung Conference in the year 1955, the basis of establishing the Non-Aligned Movement is not geographical or racial and religious unity, but rather unity of needs. At that time, the member states of the Non-Aligned Movement were in need of a bond that could safeguard them against authoritarian, arrogant and insatiable networks and today with the progress and spread of the instruments of hegemony, this need still exists.

I would like to point out another truth. Islam has taught us that in spite of their racial, linguistic and cultural differences, human beings share the same nature, which calls them to purity, justice, benevolence, compassion and cooperation. It is this universal human nature which – if it can safely steer away from misleading motives – guides human beings to monotheism and understanding of God’s transcendent essence.

This brilliant truth has such potential that it can form the foundation of societies which are free and proud and at the same time enjoy progress and justice. It can extend the light of spirituality to all material and worldly endeavors of humankind and it can create a paradise on earth for human beings in advance of the other-worldly paradise, which has been promised by divine religions. And it is this common and universal truth that can form the foundations of brotherly cooperation among the nations that do not share any similarities in terms of outward structures, historical background and geographical location.

Whenever international cooperation is based on such a foundation, governments will build their relationships with each other not on the basis of fear and threats, or greed and unilateral interests, or mediation of treasonous and venal individuals, but on the basis of wholesome and shared interests and more importantly, the interests of humanity. In this way, governments can relieve their awakened consciences and put the minds of their peoples at ease.

This values-based order is the exact opposite of the hegemony-based order, which has been upheld, propagandized and led by hegemonic Western powers in the recent centuries and by the domineering and aggressive government of America today.

Dear guests, today after the passage of nearly six decades, the main values of the Non-Aligned Movement remain alive and steady: values such as anti-colonialism, political, economic and cultural independence, non-alignment with any power blocs, and improving solidarity and cooperation among the member states. The realities of today’s world fall short of those values, but the collective will and comprehensive efforts to change the existing realities and achieve these values, though full of challenges, are promising and rewarding.

In the recent past, we have been witness to the failure of the policies of the Cold War era and the unilateralism that followed it. Having learnt lessons from this historical experience, the world is in transition towards a new international order and the Non-Aligned Movement can and should play a new role. This new order should be based on the participation of all nations and equal rights for all of them. And as members of this movement, our solidarity is an obvious necessity in the current era for establishing this new order.

Fortunately, the outlook of global developments promises a multi-faceted system in which the traditional power blocs are replaced with a group of countries, cultures and civilizations from different economic, social and political origins. The striking events that we have witnessed over the past three decades clearly show that the emergence of new powers has coincided with the decline of the traditional powers. This gradual transition of power provides the non-aligned countries with an opportunity to play a significant and worthy role on the world stage and prepare the ground for a just and truly participatory global management. In spite of varying perspectives and orientations, we member states of this movement have managed to preserve our solidarity and bond over a long period of time within the framework of the shared values and this is not a simple and small achievement. This bond can prepare the ground for transitioning to a just and humane order.

Current global conditions provide the Non-Aligned Movement with an opportunity that might never arise again. Our view is that the control room of the world should not be managed by the dictatorial will of a few Western countries. It should be possible to establish and ensure a participatory system for managing international affairs, one that is global and democratic. This is what is needed by all the countries that have been directly or indirectly harmed as a result of the transgression of a few bullying and hegemonic countries.

The UN Security Council has an illogical, unjust and completely undemocratic structure and mechanism. This is a flagrant form of dictatorship, which is antiquated and obsolete and whose expiry date has passed. It is through abusing this improper mechanism that America and its accomplices have managed to disguise their bullying as noble concepts and impose it on the world. They protect the interests of the West in the name of “human rights”. They interfere militarily in other countries in the name of “democracy”. They target defenseless people in villages and cities with their bombs and weapons in the name of “combating terrorism”. From their perspective, humanity is divided into first-, second- and third-class citizens. Human life is considered cheap in Asia, Africa and Latin America, and expensive in America and Western Europe. The security of America and Europe is considered important, while the security of the rest of humanity is considered unimportant. Torture and assassination are permissible and completely ignored if they are carried out by America, the Zionists and their puppets. It does not trouble their conscience that they have secret prisons in various places on different continents, in which defenseless prisoners who have no legal representation and have not been tried in a court of law are treated in the most hideous and detestable way. Good and evil are defined in a completely one-sided and selective way. They impose their interests on the nations of the world in the name of “international law”. They impose their domineering and illegal demands in the name of “international community”. Using their exclusive and organized media network, they disguise their lies as the truth, their falsehood as true, and their oppression as efforts to promote justice. In contrast, they brand as lies every true statement that exposes their deceit and label every legitimate demand as roguish.

Friends, this flawed and harmful situation cannot continue. Everybody has become tired of this faulty international structure. The 99 percent movement of the American people against the centers of wealth and power in America and the widespread protests of the people in Western Europe against the economic policies of their governments show that the people are losing their patience with this situation. It is necessary to remedy this irrational situation. Firm, logical and comprehensive bonds between member states of the Non-Aligned Movement can play an important role in finding a remedy.

Honorable audience, international peace and security are among the critical issues of today’s world and the elimination of catastrophic weapons of mass destruction is an urgent necessity and a universal demand. In today’s world, security is a shared need where there is no room for discrimination. Those who stockpile their anti-human weapons in their arsenals do not have the right to declare themselves as standard-bearers of global security. Undoubtedly, this will not bring about security for themselves either. It is most unfortunate to see that countries possessing the largest nuclear arsenals have no serious and genuine intention of removing these deadly weapons from their military doctrines and they still consider such weapons as an instrument that dispels threats and as an important standard that defines their political and international position. This conception needs to be completely rejected and condemned.

Nuclear weapons neither ensure security, nor do they consolidate political power, rather they are a threat to both security and political power. The events that took place in the 1990s showed that the possession of such weapons could not even safeguard a regime like the former Soviet Union. And today we see certain countries which are exposed to waves of deadly insecurity despite possessing atomic bombs.

The Islamic Republic of Iran considers the use of nuclear, chemical and similar weapons as a great and unforgivable sin. We proposed the idea of “Middle East free of nuclear weapons” and we are committed to it. This does not mean forgoing our right to peaceful use of nuclear power and production of nuclear fuel. On the basis of international laws, peaceful use of nuclear energy is a right of every country. All should be able to employ this wholesome source of energy for various vital uses for the benefit of their country and people, without having to depend on others for exercising this right. Some Western countries, themselves possessing nuclear weapons and guilty of this illegal action, want to monopolize the production of nuclear fuel. Surreptitious moves are under way to consolidate a permanent monopoly over production and sale of nuclear fuel in centers carrying an international label but in fact within the control of a few Western countries.

A bitter irony of our era is that the U.S. government, which possesses the largest and deadliest stockpiles of nuclear arms and other weapons of mass destruction and the only country guilty of its use, is today eager to carry the banner of opposition to nuclear proliferation. The U.S. and its Western allies have armed the usurper Zionist regime with nuclear weapons and created a major threat for this sensitive region. Yet the same deceitful group does not tolerate the peaceful use of nuclear energy by independent countries, and even opposes, with all its strength, the production of nuclear fuel for radiopharmaceuticals and other peaceful and humane purposes. Their pretext is fear of production of nuclear weapons. In the case of the Islamic Republic of Iran, they themselves know that they are lying, but lies are sanctioned by the kind of politics that is completely devoid of the slightest trace of spirituality. One who makes nuclear threats in the 21st century and does not feel ashamed, will he feel ashamed of lying?

I stress that the Islamic Republic has never been after nuclear weapons and that it will never give up the right of its people to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Our motto is: “Nuclear energy for all and nuclear weapons for none.” We will insist on each of these two precepts, and we know that breaking the monopoly of certain Western countries on production of nuclear energy in the framework of the Non-Proliferation Treaty is in the interest of all independent countries, including the members of the Non-Aligned Movement.

The Islamic Republic's successful experience in resistance against the bullying and comprehensive pressures by America and its accomplices has firmly convinced it that the resistance of a unified and firmly determined nation can overcome all enmities and hostilities and open a glorious path to its lofty goals. The comprehensive advances made by our country in the last two decades are facts for all to see, as repeatedly attested by official international observers. All this has happened under sanctions, economic pressures and propaganda campaigns by networks affiliated with America and Zionism. The sanctions, which were regarded as paralyzing by nonsensical commentators, not only did not and will not paralyze us, but have made our steps steadier, elevated our resolve and strengthened our confidence in the correctness of our analyses and the inborn capacities of our nation. We have with our own eyes repeatedly witnessed divine assistance in these challenges.

Honored guests, I deem it necessary to speak about a very important issue, which though related to our region has dimensions extending far beyond it and which has influenced global policies for several decades. This issue is the agonizing issue of Palestine. The summary of this matter is that on the basis of a horrible Western plot and under the direction of England in the 1940s, an independent country with a clear historical identity called “Palestine” has been taken away from its people through the use of weapons, killings and deception and has been given to a group of people the majority of whom are immigrants from European countries. This great usurpation – which at the outset was accompanied with massacres of defenseless people in towns and villages and their expulsion from their homes and homeland to bordering countries – has continued for more than six decades with similar crimes and continues to this very day. This is one of the most important issues of the human community.

Political and military leaders of the usurping Zionist regime have not avoided any crimes during this time: from killing the people, destroying their homes and farms and arresting and torturing men and women and even their children, to humiliating and insulting that nation and trying to destroy it in order to digest it in the haraam-eating stomach of the Zionist regime, to attacking their refugee camps in Palestine itself and in the neighboring countries where millions of refugees live. Such names as Sabra and Shatila, Qana and Deir Yasin have been etched in the history of our region with the blood of the oppressed Palestinian people.

Even now after 65 years the same kind of crimes marks the treatment of Palestinians remaining in the occupied territories by the ferocious Zionist wolves. They commit new crimes one after the other and create new crises for the region. Hardly a day passes without reports of murder, injury and arrests of the youth who stand up to defend their homeland and their honor and protest against the destruction of their farms and homes. The Zionist regime, which has carried out assassinations and caused conflicts and crimes for decades by waging disastrous wars, killing people, occupying Arab territories and organizing state terror in the region and in the world, labels the Palestinian people as “terrorists”, the people who have stood up to fight for their rights. And the media networks which belong to Zionism and many of the Western and mercenary media repeat this great lie in violation of ethical values and journalistic commitment, and the political leaders who claim to defend human rights have closed their eyes on all these crimes and support that criminal regime shamelessly and boldly and assume the role of their advocates.

Our standpoint is that Palestine belongs to the Palestinians and that continuing its occupation is a great and intolerable injustice and a major threat to global peace and security. All solutions suggested and followed up by the Westerners and their affiliates for “resolving the problem of Palestine” have been wrong and unsuccessful, and it will remain so in the future. We have put forth a just and entirely democratic solution. All the Palestinians – both the current citizens of Palestine and those who have been forced to immigrate to other countries but have preserved their Palestinian identity, including Muslims, Christians and Jews – should take part in a carefully supervised and confidence-building referendum and chose the political system of their country, and all the Palestinians who have suffered from years of exile should return to their country and take part in this referendum and then help draft a Constitution and hold elections. Peace will then be established.

Now I would like to give a benevolent piece of advice to American politicians who always stood up to defend and support the Zionist regime. So far, this regime has created countless problems for you. It has presented a hateful image of you to the regional peoples, and it has made you look like an accomplice in the crimes of the usurping Zionists. The material and moral costs borne by the American government and people on account of this are staggering, and if this continues, the costs might become even heavier in the future. Think about the Islamic Republic's proposal of a referendum and with a courageous decision, rescue yourselves from the current impossible situation. Undoubtedly, the people of the region and all free-thinkers across the world will welcome this measure.

Honorable guests, now I would like to return to my initial point. Global conditions are sensitive and the world is passing through a crucial historical juncture. It is anticipated that a new order shall be born. The Non-Aligned Movement, which includes almost two-thirds of the world community, can play a major role in shaping that future. The holding of this major conference in Tehran is itself a significant event to be taken into consideration. By pooling our resources and capacities, we members of this movement can create a new historic and lasting role towards rescuing the world from insecurity, war and hegemony.

This goal can be achieved only through our comprehensive cooperation with each other. There are among us quite a few countries that are very wealthy and countries that enjoy international influence. It is completely possible to find solutions for problems through economic and media cooperation and through passing on experiences that help us improve and make progress. We need to strengthen our determination. We need to remain faithful to our goals. We should not fear the bullying powers when they frown at us, nor should we become happy when they smile at us. We should consider the will of God and the laws of creation as our support. We should learn lessons from what happened to the communist camp two decades ago and from the failure of the policies of so-called “Western liberal democracy” at the present time, whose signs can be seen by everybody in the streets of European countries and America and in the insoluble economic problems of these countries. And finally, we should consider the Islamic Awakening in the region and the fall of the dictatorships in North Africa, which were dependent on America and were accomplices to the Zionist regime, as a great opportunity. We can help improve the “political productivity” of the Non-Aligned Movement in global governance. We can prepare a historic document aimed to bring about a change in this governance and to provide for its administrative tools. We can plan for effective economic cooperation and define paradigms for cultural relationships among ourselves. Undoubtedly, establishing an active and motivated secretariat for this organization will be a great and significant help in achieving these goals.

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This from a country where they execute Christian pastors and imprison those who speak out. By the way there has NEVER been an independent sovereign nation called Palestine. It has always been a province of an empire or annex of another country for over 2 thousand years.


If you can send me a link to show me otherwise that would be great

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Old 31-08-2012, 04:34 PM   #3
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This from a country where they execute Christian pastors and imprison those who speak out. By the way there has NEVER been an independent sovereign nation called Palestine. It has always been a province of an empire or annex of another country for over 2 thousand years.


If you can send me a link to show me otherwise that would be great
Christians and jews are recognised and protected in Iran..In fact Iran has the largest Jewish population in any muslim country..

I dont see why it matters if palestine was officially recognised as an independent sovereign nation or not, and certainly does not justiy the massacres of defenseless people and expulsion from their lands by force of arms.
Palestine was an area of land where people lived..Look at a pre 2ndwwar map it was a place.

I agree though..Iran is far far from perfect..The represion of the sufis examples this..Though many Sufis do still live in Iran and suffer far less oppression than in most regimes in the area.

But this ayatolla does seem aware of the problems in the world and is active in seeking a peacefull antidote to this NWO, so many people in the world are talking about..

The christian pastor was never executed btw, and his crime was never as simple as MSM made out..
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What he really said..
Actually worth a read..Does he come accross as really clued in and offer sound peacful soulutions,or ring true to any one else?
There is some good stuff in that speech, isn't there? Iran's ruling class certainly have the western power paradigm figured out. It shouldn't be a surprise.

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Christians and jews are recognised and protected in Iran..In fact Iran has the largest Jewish population in any muslim country..
True, but it doesn't always work out that way on the street, just like in the US. There are many injustices and atrocities.

Jews and Christians are also represented in Parliament, as required by the Iranian Counstitution. And the Iranian Constitution allows for many checks and balances. The buck stops with the Ayatollahs.

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I agree though..Iran is far far from perfect..The represion of the sufis examples this..Though many Sufis do still live in Iran and suffer far less oppression than in most regimes in the area
Iranian society is complex and not at all as monolithic as the mainstream anti-Iranian propaganda would lead you to believe. There are many western educated people in Iran; many were educated at US universities before 1979. It is a sophisticated, prosperous, and highly literate society. It is far more western than what many have been led to believe.

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But this ayatolla does seem aware of the problems in the world and is active in seeking a peacefull antidote to this NWO, so many people in the world are talking about..
You shouldn't be surprised.
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Christians and jews are recognised and protected in Iran..In fact Iran has the largest Jewish population in any muslim country..

I dont see why it matters if palestine was officially recognised as an independent sovereign nation or not, and certainly does not justiy the massacres of defenseless people and expulsion from their lands by force of arms.
Palestine was an area of land where people lived..Look at a pre 2ndwwar map it was a place.

I agree though..Iran is far far from perfect..The represion of the sufis examples this..Though many Sufis do still live in Iran and suffer far less oppression than in most regimes in the area.

But this ayatolla does seem aware of the problems in the world and is active in seeking a peacefull antidote to this NWO, so many people in the world are talking about..

The christian pastor was never executed btw, and his crime was never as simple as MSM made out..

nothing in the msn is what it seems.good thread and post
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A welcome change from the speeches of our weaselly politicians. Indeed we do need 'A global, democratic participatory system for managimg global affairs' in order to address the injustice done to 'all countries that have been directly or indirectly harmed as a result of the transgression of a few bullying and hegemonic countries.' Khameni is careful to point out that the ordinary citizens of America and Europe do not support what is done in their name. All in all, he seems like a reasonable man. ( Pity about the 'wholesome' adjective applied to nuclear power, big mistake - but even the Guardian's George Monbiot thinks so too now)
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What he really said..
Actually worth a read..Does he come accross as really clued in and offer sound peacful soulutions,or ring true to any one else?
Or am i an extremist

http://tehrantimes.com/politics/1010...ader-tells-nam

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

All praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the Two Worlds, and may peace and blessings be upon the greatest and trustworthy Messenger and on his pure progeny, his select companions, and all the prophets and divine envoys.

I welcome you honorable guests, the leaders and delegations representing the member states of the Non-Aligned Movement, and all the other participants of this great international summit.

We have gathered here to continue a movement with God’s guidance and assistance and to give it new life and momentum on the basis of the current conditions and needs in the world. The movement was founded almost six decades ago thanks to the intelligence and courage of a few caring and responsible political leaders who were aware of the conditions and circumstances of their time.

Our guests have gathered here from different geographical locations, far and near, and they belong to different nationalities and races with different ideological, cultural and historical characteristics, but just as Ahmad Sukarno, one of the founders of this movement said in the famous Bandung Conference in the year 1955, the basis of establishing the Non-Aligned Movement is not geographical or racial and religious unity, but rather unity of needs. At that time, the member states of the Non-Aligned Movement were in need of a bond that could safeguard them against authoritarian, arrogant and insatiable networks and today with the progress and spread of the instruments of hegemony, this need still exists.

I would like to point out another truth. Islam has taught us that in spite of their racial, linguistic and cultural differences, human beings share the same nature, which calls them to purity, justice, benevolence, compassion and cooperation. It is this universal human nature which – if it can safely steer away from misleading motives – guides human beings to monotheism and understanding of God’s transcendent essence.

This brilliant truth has such potential that it can form the foundation of societies which are free and proud and at the same time enjoy progress and justice. It can extend the light of spirituality to all material and worldly endeavors of humankind and it can create a paradise on earth for human beings in advance of the other-worldly paradise, which has been promised by divine religions. And it is this common and universal truth that can form the foundations of brotherly cooperation among the nations that do not share any similarities in terms of outward structures, historical background and geographical location.

Whenever international cooperation is based on such a foundation, governments will build their relationships with each other not on the basis of fear and threats, or greed and unilateral interests, or mediation of treasonous and venal individuals, but on the basis of wholesome and shared interests and more importantly, the interests of humanity. In this way, governments can relieve their awakened consciences and put the minds of their peoples at ease.

This values-based order is the exact opposite of the hegemony-based order, which has been upheld, propagandized and led by hegemonic Western powers in the recent centuries and by the domineering and aggressive government of America today.

Dear guests, today after the passage of nearly six decades, the main values of the Non-Aligned Movement remain alive and steady: values such as anti-colonialism, political, economic and cultural independence, non-alignment with any power blocs, and improving solidarity and cooperation among the member states. The realities of today’s world fall short of those values, but the collective will and comprehensive efforts to change the existing realities and achieve these values, though full of challenges, are promising and rewarding.

In the recent past, we have been witness to the failure of the policies of the Cold War era and the unilateralism that followed it. Having learnt lessons from this historical experience, the world is in transition towards a new international order and the Non-Aligned Movement can and should play a new role. This new order should be based on the participation of all nations and equal rights for all of them. And as members of this movement, our solidarity is an obvious necessity in the current era for establishing this new order.

Fortunately, the outlook of global developments promises a multi-faceted system in which the traditional power blocs are replaced with a group of countries, cultures and civilizations from different economic, social and political origins. The striking events that we have witnessed over the past three decades clearly show that the emergence of new powers has coincided with the decline of the traditional powers. This gradual transition of power provides the non-aligned countries with an opportunity to play a significant and worthy role on the world stage and prepare the ground for a just and truly participatory global management. In spite of varying perspectives and orientations, we member states of this movement have managed to preserve our solidarity and bond over a long period of time within the framework of the shared values and this is not a simple and small achievement. This bond can prepare the ground for transitioning to a just and humane order.

Current global conditions provide the Non-Aligned Movement with an opportunity that might never arise again. Our view is that the control room of the world should not be managed by the dictatorial will of a few Western countries. It should be possible to establish and ensure a participatory system for managing international affairs, one that is global and democratic. This is what is needed by all the countries that have been directly or indirectly harmed as a result of the transgression of a few bullying and hegemonic countries.

The UN Security Council has an illogical, unjust and completely undemocratic structure and mechanism. This is a flagrant form of dictatorship, which is antiquated and obsolete and whose expiry date has passed. It is through abusing this improper mechanism that America and its accomplices have managed to disguise their bullying as noble concepts and impose it on the world. They protect the interests of the West in the name of “human rights”. They interfere militarily in other countries in the name of “democracy”. They target defenseless people in villages and cities with their bombs and weapons in the name of “combating terrorism”. From their perspective, humanity is divided into first-, second- and third-class citizens. Human life is considered cheap in Asia, Africa and Latin America, and expensive in America and Western Europe. The security of America and Europe is considered important, while the security of the rest of humanity is considered unimportant. Torture and assassination are permissible and completely ignored if they are carried out by America, the Zionists and their puppets. It does not trouble their conscience that they have secret prisons in various places on different continents, in which defenseless prisoners who have no legal representation and have not been tried in a court of law are treated in the most hideous and detestable way. Good and evil are defined in a completely one-sided and selective way. They impose their interests on the nations of the world in the name of “international law”. They impose their domineering and illegal demands in the name of “international community”. Using their exclusive and organized media network, they disguise their lies as the truth, their falsehood as true, and their oppression as efforts to promote justice. In contrast, they brand as lies every true statement that exposes their deceit and label every legitimate demand as roguish.

Friends, this flawed and harmful situation cannot continue. Everybody has become tired of this faulty international structure. The 99 percent movement of the American people against the centers of wealth and power in America and the widespread protests of the people in Western Europe against the economic policies of their governments show that the people are losing their patience with this situation. It is necessary to remedy this irrational situation. Firm, logical and comprehensive bonds between member states of the Non-Aligned Movement can play an important role in finding a remedy.

Honorable audience, international peace and security are among the critical issues of today’s world and the elimination of catastrophic weapons of mass destruction is an urgent necessity and a universal demand. In today’s world, security is a shared need where there is no room for discrimination. Those who stockpile their anti-human weapons in their arsenals do not have the right to declare themselves as standard-bearers of global security. Undoubtedly, this will not bring about security for themselves either. It is most unfortunate to see that countries possessing the largest nuclear arsenals have no serious and genuine intention of removing these deadly weapons from their military doctrines and they still consider such weapons as an instrument that dispels threats and as an important standard that defines their political and international position. This conception needs to be completely rejected and condemned.

Nuclear weapons neither ensure security, nor do they consolidate political power, rather they are a threat to both security and political power. The events that took place in the 1990s showed that the possession of such weapons could not even safeguard a regime like the former Soviet Union. And today we see certain countries which are exposed to waves of deadly insecurity despite possessing atomic bombs.

The Islamic Republic of Iran considers the use of nuclear, chemical and similar weapons as a great and unforgivable sin. We proposed the idea of “Middle East free of nuclear weapons” and we are committed to it. This does not mean forgoing our right to peaceful use of nuclear power and production of nuclear fuel. On the basis of international laws, peaceful use of nuclear energy is a right of every country. All should be able to employ this wholesome source of energy for various vital uses for the benefit of their country and people, without having to depend on others for exercising this right. Some Western countries, themselves possessing nuclear weapons and guilty of this illegal action, want to monopolize the production of nuclear fuel. Surreptitious moves are under way to consolidate a permanent monopoly over production and sale of nuclear fuel in centers carrying an international label but in fact within the control of a few Western countries.

A bitter irony of our era is that the U.S. government, which possesses the largest and deadliest stockpiles of nuclear arms and other weapons of mass destruction and the only country guilty of its use, is today eager to carry the banner of opposition to nuclear proliferation. The U.S. and its Western allies have armed the usurper Zionist regime with nuclear weapons and created a major threat for this sensitive region. Yet the same deceitful group does not tolerate the peaceful use of nuclear energy by independent countries, and even opposes, with all its strength, the production of nuclear fuel for radiopharmaceuticals and other peaceful and humane purposes. Their pretext is fear of production of nuclear weapons. In the case of the Islamic Republic of Iran, they themselves know that they are lying, but lies are sanctioned by the kind of politics that is completely devoid of the slightest trace of spirituality. One who makes nuclear threats in the 21st century and does not feel ashamed, will he feel ashamed of lying?

I stress that the Islamic Republic has never been after nuclear weapons and that it will never give up the right of its people to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Our motto is: “Nuclear energy for all and nuclear weapons for none.” We will insist on each of these two precepts, and we know that breaking the monopoly of certain Western countries on production of nuclear energy in the framework of the Non-Proliferation Treaty is in the interest of all independent countries, including the members of the Non-Aligned Movement.

The Islamic Republic's successful experience in resistance against the bullying and comprehensive pressures by America and its accomplices has firmly convinced it that the resistance of a unified and firmly determined nation can overcome all enmities and hostilities and open a glorious path to its lofty goals. The comprehensive advances made by our country in the last two decades are facts for all to see, as repeatedly attested by official international observers. All this has happened under sanctions, economic pressures and propaganda campaigns by networks affiliated with America and Zionism. The sanctions, which were regarded as paralyzing by nonsensical commentators, not only did not and will not paralyze us, but have made our steps steadier, elevated our resolve and strengthened our confidence in the correctness of our analyses and the inborn capacities of our nation. We have with our own eyes repeatedly witnessed divine assistance in these challenges.

Honored guests, I deem it necessary to speak about a very important issue, which though related to our region has dimensions extending far beyond it and which has influenced global policies for several decades. This issue is the agonizing issue of Palestine. The summary of this matter is that on the basis of a horrible Western plot and under the direction of England in the 1940s, an independent country with a clear historical identity called “Palestine” has been taken away from its people through the use of weapons, killings and deception and has been given to a group of people the majority of whom are immigrants from European countries. This great usurpation – which at the outset was accompanied with massacres of defenseless people in towns and villages and their expulsion from their homes and homeland to bordering countries – has continued for more than six decades with similar crimes and continues to this very day. This is one of the most important issues of the human community.

Political and military leaders of the usurping Zionist regime have not avoided any crimes during this time: from killing the people, destroying their homes and farms and arresting and torturing men and women and even their children, to humiliating and insulting that nation and trying to destroy it in order to digest it in the haraam-eating stomach of the Zionist regime, to attacking their refugee camps in Palestine itself and in the neighboring countries where millions of refugees live. Such names as Sabra and Shatila, Qana and Deir Yasin have been etched in the history of our region with the blood of the oppressed Palestinian people.

Even now after 65 years the same kind of crimes marks the treatment of Palestinians remaining in the occupied territories by the ferocious Zionist wolves. They commit new crimes one after the other and create new crises for the region. Hardly a day passes without reports of murder, injury and arrests of the youth who stand up to defend their homeland and their honor and protest against the destruction of their farms and homes. The Zionist regime, which has carried out assassinations and caused conflicts and crimes for decades by waging disastrous wars, killing people, occupying Arab territories and organizing state terror in the region and in the world, labels the Palestinian people as “terrorists”, the people who have stood up to fight for their rights. And the media networks which belong to Zionism and many of the Western and mercenary media repeat this great lie in violation of ethical values and journalistic commitment, and the political leaders who claim to defend human rights have closed their eyes on all these crimes and support that criminal regime shamelessly and boldly and assume the role of their advocates.

Our standpoint is that Palestine belongs to the Palestinians and that continuing its occupation is a great and intolerable injustice and a major threat to global peace and security. All solutions suggested and followed up by the Westerners and their affiliates for “resolving the problem of Palestine” have been wrong and unsuccessful, and it will remain so in the future. We have put forth a just and entirely democratic solution. All the Palestinians – both the current citizens of Palestine and those who have been forced to immigrate to other countries but have preserved their Palestinian identity, including Muslims, Christians and Jews – should take part in a carefully supervised and confidence-building referendum and chose the political system of their country, and all the Palestinians who have suffered from years of exile should return to their country and take part in this referendum and then help draft a Constitution and hold elections. Peace will then be established.

Now I would like to give a benevolent piece of advice to American politicians who always stood up to defend and support the Zionist regime. So far, this regime has created countless problems for you. It has presented a hateful image of you to the regional peoples, and it has made you look like an accomplice in the crimes of the usurping Zionists. The material and moral costs borne by the American government and people on account of this are staggering, and if this continues, the costs might become even heavier in the future. Think about the Islamic Republic's proposal of a referendum and with a courageous decision, rescue yourselves from the current impossible situation. Undoubtedly, the people of the region and all free-thinkers across the world will welcome this measure.

Honorable guests, now I would like to return to my initial point. Global conditions are sensitive and the world is passing through a crucial historical juncture. It is anticipated that a new order shall be born. The Non-Aligned Movement, which includes almost two-thirds of the world community, can play a major role in shaping that future. The holding of this major conference in Tehran is itself a significant event to be taken into consideration. By pooling our resources and capacities, we members of this movement can create a new historic and lasting role towards rescuing the world from insecurity, war and hegemony.

This goal can be achieved only through our comprehensive cooperation with each other. There are among us quite a few countries that are very wealthy and countries that enjoy international influence. It is completely possible to find solutions for problems through economic and media cooperation and through passing on experiences that help us improve and make progress. We need to strengthen our determination. We need to remain faithful to our goals. We should not fear the bullying powers when they frown at us, nor should we become happy when they smile at us. We should consider the will of God and the laws of creation as our support. We should learn lessons from what happened to the communist camp two decades ago and from the failure of the policies of so-called “Western liberal democracy” at the present time, whose signs can be seen by everybody in the streets of European countries and America and in the insoluble economic problems of these countries. And finally, we should consider the Islamic Awakening in the region and the fall of the dictatorships in North Africa, which were dependent on America and were accomplices to the Zionist regime, as a great opportunity. We can help improve the “political productivity” of the Non-Aligned Movement in global governance. We can prepare a historic document aimed to bring about a change in this governance and to provide for its administrative tools. We can plan for effective economic cooperation and define paradigms for cultural relationships among ourselves. Undoubtedly, establishing an active and motivated secretariat for this organization will be a great and significant help in achieving these goals.

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What he really said..
Actually worth a read..Does he come accross as really clued in and offer sound peacful soulutions,or ring true to any one else?
Or am i an extremist

http://tehrantimes.com/politics/1010...ader-tells-nam

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All praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the Two Worlds, and may peace and blessings be upon the greatest and trustworthy Messenger and on his pure progeny, his select companions, and all the prophets and divine envoys.

I welcome you honorable guests, the leaders and delegations representing the member states of the Non-Aligned Movement, and all the other participants of this great international summit.

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Islam’s roots are in Christianity and Judaism and therefore Babylon...

To complete the trio, along came the skull-cap-wearing Muslims and the creed of Islam, inspired by the ‘Prophet’ Mahomet (Mohammed) when he had a ‘vision’ in the year 612. Once more we find that Islam’s roots are in Christianity and Judaism and therefore Babylon. Muslims see Islam as an updated continuation of the Judeo-Christian stream and they, too, trace their ancestry back to our old mate, Abraham, who is said to have emerged from the Sumerian city of Ur and headed for Egypt. They believe that Abraham built the Kaaba, the sacred shrine at Mecca, and the focus of pilgrimage for Muslims all over the world. But it was in fact originally a Pagan temple of goddess (Semiramis) worship featuring the famous Black Stone. W. Wynn Westcott, founder of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, wrote in his work, The Magical Mason, that the Black Stone supposed to have been brought to Mecca by Abraham, was used originally for ancient Pagan ritual. Again you see Brotherhood symbolism in this ‘new’ religion...

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Christians and jews are recognised and protected in Iran..In fact Iran has the largest Jewish population in any muslim country..

I dont see why it matters if palestine was officially recognised as an independent sovereign nation or not, and certainly does not justiy the massacres of defenseless people and expulsion from their lands by force of arms.
Palestine was an area of land where people lived..Look at a pre 2ndwwar map it was a place.

I agree though..Iran is far far from perfect..The represion of the sufis examples this..Though many Sufis do still live in Iran and suffer far less oppression than in most regimes in the area.

But this ayatolla does seem aware of the problems in the world and is active in seeking a peacefull antidote to this NWO, so many people in the world are talking about..

The christian pastor was never executed btw, and his crime was never as simple as MSM made out..
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Thats a clear lie. if christians were protected they wouldnt be being terrorized by the state.

Right now in iran christians are facing death for leaving islam.




Twelve Christians stood trial Easter Sunday in Iran, where they were called “apostates” in a courtroom and tried on multiple charges, according to sources close to Iran’s Christian community. “It ultimately illustrates that being a Christian is illegal in Iran. No matter how clear or how open a pastor and a church may be, Christians are being brought to trial just for being Christian,”
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04...#ixzz1sDvqzMjd


An Iranian court upheld the death sentence against a man who converted to Christianity, a religious group reported today. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...g-christianity




An Iranian court upheld the death sentence against a man who converted to Christianity, a religious group reported today. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...g-christianity



Maybe you like this khomieni speech too?

Thighing” [or mufakhafat] is an Islamic practice followed today in Muslim communities all over the world including in the US and Britain.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements recorded in The Little Green Book (“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990):

» A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. http://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/...slim-scholars/

Ghada Jamshir : What is islamic thighing?

Notice also that muslims and non muslims alike are quick to claim that christians in iran are protected and respected, YET WE NEVER HEAR IRANIAN CHRISTIANS SAY THIS.

Its much like a muslim in egypt saying the copts are protected, etc.. For sure the copts WILL tell a different story.

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Notice also that muslims and non muslims alike are quick to claim that christians in iran are protected and respected, YET WE NEVER HEAR IRANIAN CHRISTIANS SAY THIS.
c'mon if its so bad why they want to go there and even transfer the International Union of Assyrians from USA to Iran?


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In 1976, the Christian population numbered 168,593 people, mostly Armenians. Due to the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s and the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, almost half of the Armenians migrated to the newly-independent Republic of Armenia. However, the opposite trend has occurred since 2000, and the number of Christians with Iranian citizenship increased to 109,415 in 2006. At the same time, significant immigration of Assyrians from Iraq has been recorded due to massacres and harassment in post-Saddam Iraq. However, most of those Assyrians in Iran don't have Iranian citizenship. In 2008, the central office of the International Union of Assyrians was officially transferred to Iran after being hosted in the United States for more than four decades
source wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran


good work USA! lets see who else have WMD


try better propaganda next time


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“Thighing” [or mufakhafat] is an Islamic practice followed today in Muslim communities all over the world including in the US and Britain.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements recorded in The Little Green Book (“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990):

» A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. http://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/...slim-scholars/
yep and also the talmud says other horrible things about sex with children, lets nuke them all
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[QUOTE=lightgiver;1061020750]Islam’s roots are in Christianity and Judaism and therefore Babylon...

To complete the trio, along came the skull-cap-wearing Muslims and the creed of Islam, inspired by the ‘Prophet’ Mahomet (Mohammed) when he had a ‘vision’ in the year 612. Once more we find that Islam’s roots are in Christianity and Judaism and therefore Babylon. Muslims see Islam as an updated continuation of the Judeo-Christian stream and they, too, trace their ancestry back to our old mate, Abraham, who is said to have emerged from the Sumerian city of Ur and headed for Egypt. They believe that Abraham built the Kaaba, the sacred shrine at Mecca, and the focus of pilgrimage for Muslims all over the world. But it was in fact originally a Pagan temple of goddess (Semiramis) worship featuring the famous Black Stone. W. Wynn Westcott, founder of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, wrote in his work, The Magical Mason, that the Black Stone supposed to have been brought to Mecca by Abraham, was used originally for ancient Pagan ritual. Again you see Brotherhood symbolism in this ‘new’ religion...


— David Icke; The Biggest Secret



This is a description of the roots of Monotheistic religions. Here it is used out of context. Can a man not be capable of speaking some common sense because he is a Muslim? Khameni is advocating peaceful co-operation between nations, unlike so-called Christians George Bush and Tony Blair who have caused such misery in their own countries (9/11 and 7/7) as well as starting the process of wreaking havoc in the middle east.
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source wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran


good work USA! lets see who else have WMD


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yep and also the talmud says other horrible things about sex with children, lets nuke them all

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Notice also that muslims and non muslims alike are quick to claim that christians in iran are protected and respected, YET WE NEVER HEAR IRANIAN CHRISTIANS SAY THIS.


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c'mon if its so bad why they want to go there and even transfer the International Union of Assyrians from USA to Iran?

In 1976, the Christian population numbered 168,593 people, mostly Armenians. Due to the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s and the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, almost half of the Armenians migrated to the newly-independent Republic of Armenia. However, the opposite trend has occurred since 2000, and the number of Christians with Iranian citizenship increased to 109,415 in 2006. At the same time, significant immigration of Assyrians from Iraq has been recorded due to massacres and harassment in post-Saddam Iraq. However, most of those Assyrians in Iran don't have Iranian citizenship. In 2008, the central office of the International Union of Assyrians was officially transferred to Iran after being hosted in the United States for more than four decades

try better propaganda next time
The following is what you posted in response, notice that your quote says nothing about the conditions of the Christians who went/escaped to iran and nor does it mention the words of iranian christians. YOU JUST GAVE INSIGNIFICANT INFO REGARDING MY POINT. this is what I specifically pointed out: YOU HAVE JUST PROVED MY POINT, THANKS!

In 1976, the Christian population numbered 168,593 people, However, the opposite trend has occurred since 2000, and the number of Christians with Iranian citizenship increased to 109,415 in 2006.

“the number of Christians with Iranian citizenship increased to 109,415 in 2006.” ?

If it has increased to this number, what was the number before it increased?

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At the same time, significant immigration of Assyrians from Iraq has been recorded due to massacres and harassment in post-Saddam Iraq.
Clearly they went to iran to escape even worse persecution in iraq after the iraq invasion.
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This in itself says nothing about iran “recognizing and protecting Christians” as you claimed.

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However, most of those Assyrians in Iran don't have Iranian citizenship.
So these Assyrians are not even “citizens”.



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In 2008,the central office of the International Union of Assyrians was officially transferred to Iran after being hosted in the United States for more than four decades.
Look at what you posted, you are implying that the “International Union of Assyrians” being “transferred to Iran” as being a great thing for Christians. But what does this transfer have to do with the plight of Christians in iran? And on top of that, the uniuon was in America FOR FOUR DECADES, that alone shows the meaningless of the unions location.

I know many Assyrian Christians, how many do you know? I know for a fact that none of them have anything good to say about iran.

Take note that what you posted was about numbers and transfers of unions, but the parts of the link that dealt with the very specifics I was pointing out are the things you ignored completely. IN THE VERY YOU PROVIDED IT SHOWS THAT CHRISTIANS IN IRAN ARE BEING PERSECUTED.


FROM THE LINK YOU GAVE:

According to US-based Barnabas Fund, government intrusion, expropriation of property, forced closure and persecution, particularly in the initial years after the Iranian Revolution, have all been documented. Most prominent has been the death ofHaik Hovsepian Mehr, bishop of the Jamiat-e Rabbani, in 1994. Recently the continuing imprisonment of Hamid Pourmand,[11][12] a lay pastor of Jammiat-e Rabbani, and the murder of Ghorban Tourani,[13][14] the pastor of an independent evangelical church have created international concern.Youcef Nadarkhani is an Jammiat-e Rabbani pastor allegedly "sentenced to death for refusing to recant his faith".[15] However, Iranian official sources has described such claims as "propaganda"[16]. Even though persecution is growing, people becoming Christians continues to grow.[17]

The growth of christianity in iran has nothing to do with the iranian regime, in fact the iranian regime are trying to clamp dow on it.

MORE INFO ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF CHRISTIANS IN IRAN FROM IRANIAN CHRISTIANS:
Iran's Islamic Revolution in 1979, produced several spiritually significant phenomena:
1. People became more intimately acquainted with Islam;
2. The material prosperity slowly disappeared;
3. The Government expelled Western missionaries;
4. The Church of Iran, in an Islamic environment, suffered increasing persecution. http://www.farsinet.com/ici/who.html


Throughout the 1980's, an increasing number of Iranians, mostly Muslims (rather than Iranians from nominal Christian backgrounds), began to turn to Christ. Iranians both in Iran and abroad observed this development. The Church of Iran grew numerically while it also grew stronger in faith, and commitment to Christ. http://www.farsinet.com/ici/who.html

Rev. Mehdi Dibaj who was born into a Muslim family became a Christian 45 Years ago. On December 21, 1993 an Islamic court in the city of Sari condemned him to die. The conviction was based on the charge of apostasy, i.e. that Rev. Dibaj had abandoned Islam and embraced Christianity. Once the news of Rev. Dibaj's death sentence reached the rest of the world, the reaction was one of disbelief followed by prayer and action. One of the persons who worked very hard to overturn Rev. Dibaj's sentence was Bishop Haik Hovsepian-Mehr. Bishop Haik, an Armenian pastor, shared the news of Rev. Dibaj's death sentence as well as other violations of religious freedom of Christians in Iran with the world. Due to the world's reaction, Rev. Dibaj was released on January 16, 1994.
Five months after the release from prison, Rev. Mehdi Dibadj was abducted mysteriously and suffered martyrdom in June, 1994. http://www.farsinet.com/persecuted/dibaj.html


Martyred & Imprisoned Christian Leaders in Iran

• 2012 - February 22 - Iranian Authorities Order Death Warrant for Pastor Nadarkhani
• 2012 - January - The Governor General of Tehran Province, Morteza Tamadon, acknowledged in a statement on 4th January that a number of evangelical Christians had been arrested. He referred to their 'corrupting' influence and warned that further arrests are imminent.
• 2011 - December - 60+ Iranian Christians arrested on the eve of Christmas
• 2011 - List of Other Iranian Christians Imprisoned
• 2011 - September - Mehdi "Petros" Foroutan, a 27-year-old pastor in Iran, was arrested in January 2010 and charged with crimes against national security and blasphemy against Islam. (as of 2/24/2012 - 154 days in Prison)
• 2011 - May - Behnam Irani, a 41-year-old pastor from Kraj, Iran, was convicted of crimes against national security in January 2011 and sentenced to one year in prison. After voluntarily surrendering to authorities on May 31 to begin his sentence, he learned that he would be forced to serve five years in connection with a previous conviction.
• 2011 - Rev. Behrooz Khanjani trial hearing on 4/5/2001, He is married with a 6 yo child and has already spent over 8 months in prison
• 2011 - Rev. Leonard Keshishian, the pastor of the Assemblies of God Church in Isfahan has been arrested
• 2010 - Over 70 Iranian Christians were arrested during Christmas Holidays. The Governor of Tehran has vowed to arrest more evangelical Christians.
• 2010 - Pastor Behrouz Sadegh-Khandjani - Gilan, Iran - arrested & imprisioned for the crime of Apostasy
• 2010 - October - a young believer has died in Iran after he had been severely beaten by a relative who objected to his strong faith in Christ. He leaves behind a wife and two young children. (Reported by Elam)
• 2010 - September 23, Nine followers of Jesus were detained in Hamedan, the capital of Hamadan province, on charges of evangelism, which potentially carries the death penalty under strict laws in Iran.
- According to a report by FCNN (Farsi Christian News Network), 4 followers of Jesus Christ from Hamadan were arrested on September 4, 2010. Three of them were released on April 30, 2011, after 8 months in prison (Arezoo Teymouri & her husband Arash Karmanjai and Sonia Keshish Ovanesian). Vahid Abrahemian is still under arrest as of April 30, 2011.
• 2010 - July 24 at 9:00 p.m., 27-year-old Neshan Saeedi was spending a quiet evening at home with his wife and young daughter when plain-clothes security forces entered his house and arrested him. The security officers searched the home and seized personal belongings such as a computer, CDs containing films of Christian seminars and teachings, Christian books and Bibles, and family photo albums. As of September 09, 2010 - there is no information about the condition of Neshan.
• 2010 - July 18, 15 Christians detained in Mashhad,Iran's second largest city, remain detained and are "under pressure pressure to recant their faith but are refusing to do so." - (Reported by The Voice of the Martyrs)
• 2010 - April 29, Ali Golchin (29), has been held in solitary confinement in Tehran's Evin prison since he was arrested in his home town of Varamin on April 29. After weeks of appealing to the authorities, Ali's father was finally allowed access to him on June 17 -- though they were allowed only 10 minutes together. Ali was released on bail on July 25.
• 2009 - October, Pastor Behrouz Sadegh-Khandjani - Held in prison in Shiraz, Iran - has been given limited contact with his family and his attorney.
2008 - on September 11, 2008 "Iran Parliament Approves Death Penalty for Apostasy Bill"

• 2008 - Sakineh Rahnama), August 3, wife of Abbas Amiri, died from injuries sustained when secret police raided a house church service hosted at their house and severly beat her.
• 2008 - Abbas Amiri), August 1, House Church Isfahan, died from injuries sustained when secret police raided a house church service hosted at their house and severly beat him.
• 2007 - On April 18 2007 three members of Malatya Church in Turkey were murdered; Pastor Necati Aydin, Tilmann Geske & Ugur Yuksel. The first martyrs of the modern Turkish Church.
• 2007 - In June, a number of Iranian Christians have been arrested and are held in unknown places, including Mr. fard from Tehran.
• 2007 - Mohammad Ali Jafarzadeh, May 2007, Executed (hanged) in Evin Prison
• 2007 - Mohammad Jaberi, May 2007, Executed (hanged) in Evin Prison
• 2007 - Mr. Patrick, an Iranian Christian and a member of Church of Kermanshah was arrested in May.
• 2007 - Several Iranian Christians from Church of Mashhad were arrested in February.
• 2006 - 14 Iranian Christians from Church of Rasht were arrested in December.
• 2006 - Iranian secret police began to raid and arrest leaders of the Islamic republic's indigenous "Jesus Only" movement Sunday December 10, arriving unannounced in the early morning hours to search their homes in Tehran, Karaj, Rasht and Bandar-i Anzali.
• 2005 - Pastor Ghorbandordi Tourani - Iranian House Church Leader murdered near his house in Gonbad-e Kavous, November 22
• 2004 - Pastor Hamid Pourmand - arrested ... sentenced to 3 years in prison ... charged with apostasy ... acquitted of apostasy ...
• 2004 - 80 Iranian Christians Arrested, September 2004
• 2004 - Pastor Khosroo Yusefi and his family arrested by Iranian Police on Sunday May 23, 2004
• 2003 - International Religious Freedom Report on Iran
• 1996 - Rev. Bagher Yusefi, Murdered Sept. 28 1996, Assembly of God Church of Amirkola, Mazanderan
• 1994 - Rev. Tateos Mikaelian, June 29 1994, Presbyterian Church of Tehran
• 1994 - Rev. Mehdi Dibaj, Hanged from a tree June 1994, Assembly of God Church of Tehran
• 1994 - Bishop Haik Hovsepian, Mudered January 1994, Assembly of God Church of Tehran
• 1990 - Rev. Hossein Soodmand, Executed December 1990, Assembly of God Church of Mashhad
• 1988 - Rev. Manuchehr Afghani, Presbyterian Church of Tehran
• 1980 - Bahram Deghani-Tafti, Murdered May 1980, Church of Isfahan, Son of an Anglican Bishop Hassan Dehqani-Tafti
• 1979 - Rev. Arastoo Sayyah - Murdered February 1979 - Angelican Church of Shiraz
http://www.farsinet.com/persecuted/dibaj.html



The Mideast's Vanishing Christians

Take the example of the Islamic Republic of Iran, where there are as many as 270,000Christians. In a scarcely noted June report by the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran, the group wrote that “Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Intelligence Organization has recently and abruptly taken over the oversight of Christian churches in Iran, which were previously overseen by agents of the Ministry of Intelligence and the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance.”
But the IRGC is not the driving force behind this persecution. The regime itself is behind the horrific case of Iranian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, who faces the death penalty because he sought to register a home-based church and questioned the compulsory Islamic education of his children. http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...hristians-7369

This video highlights the ongoing persecution taking place in Iran. Over the last six months nearly 300 Believers have been thrown in prison because of their faith in Jesus Christ

Below is your response to the the fact that ayatolla khemieni AUTHENTICATED AND LEGALIZE THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN INCLUDING INFANTS"

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yep and also the talmud says other horrible things about sex with children, lets nuke them all :rolleyes
Notice there is NO CONDEMNATION AT ALL FROM YOU. Instead you now bring the jews into this, shame on you.


And for your information the talmud does not promote, encourage sex with children. Historically jews have not married children nor do they marry children today, muslims DO.


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While those unused to these Talmudic discussions might be taken aback by the use of euphemisms, the discussion here relates to the dowry for virgins and non-virgins. It has nothing to do with what acts are allowed, encouraged, forbidden, or discouraged. It is, indeed, ironic that this passage has been manipulated from its original context of a financial discussion into one of a religious discussion. While there are numerous talmudic passages of a religious nature, this one discusses dowries and not forbidden and permitted relations!

The Talmud relates that a virgin is entitled a higher dowry. While the tell-tale sign of virginity is the release of blood due to the breaking of the hymen on the wedding night, there are occasions when the hymen has already been broken such as when the woman suffered an injury. The Talmud here quotes Rav Yehuda in the name of Rav that a sexual act with a male minor is not considered to be a loss of virginity because one of the participants is not fully active. While the female's hymen may have been broken, she has not engaged in what can be classified as a sexual act (although it is certainly child abuse).

The Talmud continues and quotes Rava as saying that a sexual act between a male adult and a female under the age of three is also not considered a loss of virginity (although it is child abuse). Since the girl is too young for her hymen to be broken, she is still considered a virgin.

Nowhere is the Talmud permitting such behavior. Sex outside of a marriage is strictly forbidden (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5) as is this obvious case of child abuse. The Talmud is only discussing ex post facto what would happen if such a case arose.

That non-marital sexual relations is prohibited is stated explicitly by Maimonides in the following passage from his ground-breaking legal code Mishneh Torah: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/three.html

If jews were allowed to screw 3 year olds none of them would be punished under jewish law. Having sex with a child is rape, rape carries the death penalty in the torah.

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white rabbit has also assumed that the christians are the only minorities in iran other miniorities like the bahai are terrorized.



The persecution of Bahá'ís is the religious persecution of Bahá'ís in various countries, especially in Iran,[1] Thus Bahá'ís are seen as apostates from Islam, and, according to some, must choose between repentance and death

Bahá'ís as well as the United Nations, Amnesty International, the European Union, the United States and peer-reviewed academic literature have stated that the members of the Bahá'í community in Iran have been subjected to unwarranted arrests, false imprisonment, beatings, torture, unjustified executions, confiscation and destruction of property owned by individuals and the Bahá'í community, denial of employment, denial of government benefits, denial of civil rights and liberties, and denial of access to higher education.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecu...A1'%C3%ADs

Baha'i persecution in Iran


Why are the bahai persecuted?


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the Baha’is in Iran. Baha’is do not insult Muhammad or his Allah, they do not reject the Imams nor disagree with any part of Quran. All they say is that their messenger is the Promised One of the Muslims. http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/montazeri2.htm
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IRAN is a very conservative place run by a corrupt clergy..They have their issues for sure..But then they have very powerfull enemies.

Ahamajinidad is popular as he promised to rout out the corruption in the clergy and strengthen civil rights and equality..

But in light of the list of persecutions posted by truelion i am starting to beleive its not as bad as i thought, when compared to the framing, detentions and murder of muslims and other minorities in the west it pails in insignificance.

Strange too that Iran supports Syria that protects relegious freedom..
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Take note that you claimed that wahhabism is "contrary to spiritual islam", but I challenged you and specifically asked you to explain and prove "spiritual islam" actually exists in reality, YOU HAVE YET TO RESPOND to this challenge, a challenge I gave so we could find out if you can even back up your own claims. AS YET YOU HAVENT EVEN TRIED TO, THEREIN IS THE ANSWER OF WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH.

So as things stand, it is you have been exposed as spreading "propaganda", exposed by me.

So no wonder you are asking for others to "ignore true lion", because you know that i speak the truth and that YOU cannot even dare to refute it.
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Truelion..
So what do you think should happen to Iran?
And for what reason?
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IRAN is a very conservative place run by a corrupt clergy..They have their issues for sure..But then they have very powerfull enemies.

Ahamajinidad is popular as he promised to rout out the corruption in the clergy and strengthen civil rights and equality..

But in light of the list of persecutions posted by truelion i am starting to beleive its not as bad as i thought, when compared to the framing, detentions and murder of muslims and other minorities in the west it pails in insignificance.

Strange too that Iran supports Syria that protects relegious freedom..
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Ahamajinidad is popular as he promised to rout out the corruption in the clergy and strengthen civil rights and equality..

Where on earth are you getting your stuff from? NOWHERE IN REALITY.

If the Ahamajinidad regime seeks to "strengthen civil rights and equality" they wouldnt be sentencing apostates to death terroizing the bahai and killing government protesters:

Government protesters:

Five of the defendants are charged with "waging war against allah" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8489012.stm

three people were publicly hanged in the southern city of Shiraz, according to state-run web site Iran Khabar. The victims were reportedly accused of “moharebeh” (waging war on allah), http://www.english.mojahedin.org/pag...x?newsid=12201

This is a must see, its about a young lady who became a revolutionary in iran. FOR NEDA.

Bahai:

Religious academics from universities across the world have denounced a campaign of official persecution against Iran's Baha'i minority. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-minority.html


killing and jailing apostates:

An Iranian court upheld the death sentence against a man who converted to Christianity, a religious group reported today. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...g-christianity

Twelve Christians stood trial Easter Sunday in Iran, where they were called “apostates” in a courtroom and tried on multiple charges, according to sources close to Iran’s Christian community. “It ultimately illustrates that being a Christian is illegal in Iran. No matter how clear or how open a pastor and a church may be, Christians are being brought to trial just for being Christian,”
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04...#ixzz1sDvqzMjd

Iran attempts to shut down Iranian Christian News website http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2011/...ws-website.php


No freedom at all in iran to even have discussions that the state doesnt want people to have:

APA reports that Kamran Ayazi was imprisoned for 9 years, Laden Mustofi for 5 years, Haniye Sane Farshi for 7 years, Hujjatullah Nikuyi for 5 years, Mohammedrza Puneki for 6 years, Mohammedrza Ahlagi for 6 years, Sapehr Ibragimi for 8 years, Amir Latifi for 7 years because of discussing and disputing on Islamic rules in the internet. They were arrested in February 2011 by ETTELAAT. Now they are kept in Tehran prison. http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=164113


JARAS: Ahmad Reza Hashempour, a 40-year-old Ph.D., was arrested in 2007. A lower court had sentenced him to death, and the Supreme Court this week upheld Hashempour's death sentence on charges of "membership in anti-religion and blasphemous websites." http://www.iranian.com/main/2012/jan...r-prisoner-day


No freedom and protection for young children:

Iranian Child Brides Get Younger — And More Numerous

An Iranian NGO, the Society For Protecting The Rights of The Child, said 43,459 girls aged under 15 had married in 2009, compared with 33,383 three years previously. In 2010, 716 girls younger than 10 had wed, up from 449 the previous year, according to the organisation.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/frank-c...more-numerous/


etc, etc, etc... Yeah, loads of civil liberties in iran.

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But in light of the list of persecutions posted by truelion i am starting to beleive its not as bad as i thought, when compared to the framing, detentions and murder of muslims and other minorities in the west it pails in insignificance.
Muslims are being murdered in the west for being muslims? WHERE?

You have no stats to compare, yet already you think the west is worse. Madness.

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Thats a clear fallacy, whom iran supports have nothing to do with the treatment of minorities in iran.

You want to see how minorities are treated in iran, you check out the treatment of bahai. Their treatment is the nearest that you can expect to receive in iran being outside the so called abrahamic grouping.

And futhermore, the site owner of this forum would be either jailed or killed by the state for his veiws on religion. Therefore you are betraying yourselves in complete ignorance.
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Politicians in Iran run the country they dont make the laws, Thats left to the clergy..All ahamajinidad can do is rout out the corruption in that clergy.

If you look deeper in to the stuff you have copy and pasted you will find there is another story beneath the surface...But i agree Iran is far from perfect.

But I am sure they have killed less people due to their beleifs in the last ten years than the USA has this month in drone attacks in Yemen , somalia, Pakistan, Afgahnistan.
At least the people in Iran had some kind of a trial and they are actually Iranian.
And just in the UK i cant count how many muslims have been stiched up on trumped up terror charges, many of them imprisoned for their beleifs and activism which were non violent.

This thread was to disscuss the Ayatolla speech and the non aligned movement and the situation Iran is in..Which is an issue.

If you want to start a thread on the evils of Iran go ahead.
I am sure it will be a krakker of a thread you knock out those detailed responses like a real pro..
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The following is what you posted in response, notice that your quote says nothing about the conditions of the Christians who went/escaped to iran and nor does it mention the words of iranian christians. YOU JUST GAVE INSIGNIFICANT INFO REGARDING MY POINT. this is what I specifically pointed out: YOU HAVE JUST PROVED MY POINT, THANKS!

In 1976, the Christian population numbered 168,593 people, However, the opposite trend has occurred since 2000, and the number of Christians with Iranian citizenship increased to 109,415 in 2006.

“the number of Christians with Iranian citizenship increased to 109,415 in 2006.” ?
LOL so you automatically assume they are denied citizenship

"almost half of the Armenians migrated to the newly-independent Republic of Armenia. "




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If it has increased to this number, what was the number before it increased?
78,745 by 1996, why you ask? it was clear in the article


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Clearly they went to iran to escape even worse persecution in iraq after the iraq invasion.
you are delusional LOL, so their office was in USA and they decided to moved to iran and move their office too but according to you they are persecuted in iran but they prefered iran to irak because it was worst after USA "democratized" irak, so they didnt want to go to USA, no they went to a country that according to you they are persecuted


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So these Assyrians are not even “citizens”.
most werent or didint want by 2008 so what?, still they migrated their main office to iran



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Look at what you posted, you are implying that the “International Union of Assyrians” being “transferred to Iran” as being a great thing for Christians. But what does this transfer have to do with the plight of Christians in iran?


simply they decided it was best for them to transfer from a "christian" country to Iran



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And on top of that, the uniuon was in America FOR FOUR DECADES, that alone shows the meaningless of the unions location.


so because it was 40 years in USA then is meaningless, you forgot the part of the articel where it says "historically"

tell that to the armenians


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I know many Assyrian Christians, how many do you know? I know for a fact that none of them have anything good to say about iran.
your "facts" dont survive 2 minutes in google, why should I believe you?, and event if its true so what?, there are iranians who hate iran, mexican who hate mexico, jews who hate israel, you still post propaganda nothing new


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Take note that what you posted was about numbers and transfers of unions, but the parts of the link that dealt with the very specifics I was pointing out are the things you ignored completely. IN THE VERY YOU PROVIDED IT SHOWS THAT CHRISTIANS IN IRAN ARE BEING PERSECUTED.
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they are not persecuted thats why the number of citizenship grows with the years


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FROM THE LINK YOU GAVE:

According to US-based Barnabas Fund, government intrusion, expropriation of property, forced closure and persecution, particularly in the initial years after the Iranian Revolution, have all been documented. Most prominent has been the death ofHaik Hovsepian Mehr, bishop of the Jamiat-e Rabbani, in 1994. Recently the continuing imprisonment of Hamid Pourmand,[11][12] a lay pastor of Jammiat-e Rabbani, and the murder of Ghorban Tourani,[13][14] the pastor of an independent evangelical church have created international concern.Youcef Nadarkhani is an Jammiat-e Rabbani pastor allegedly "sentenced to death for refusing to recant his faith".[15] However, Iranian official sources has described such claims as "propaganda"[16]. Even though persecution is growing, people becoming Christians continues to grow.[17] Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
what you expect after a revolution? here in mexico thousands of people had their land expropiated so mexicans are persecuted in mexico?

funny you missed part of the text

"The government guarantees the recognized Christian minorities a number of rights (production and sale of non-halal foods), representation in parliament, special family law etc."


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The growth of christianity in iran has nothing to do with the iranian regime, in fact the iranian regime are trying to clamp dow on it.
yeah and giving foreign christians citizenship and allowing the translation of the International Union of Assyrians will clamp them down?


for you if Iran its not perfect then it persecutes christians and jews , iran is not perfect but the good news its that is not like israel, in israel you will see jews, christians and muslims being persecuted by fanatics and a lot of expropiation and lack of human rights by the government, but not only in israel also there are other nasty stuff in other muslim countries but since they are with USA then you never mention them


funny this guy Ayatollah in this speech speaks of peace and other good stuff, but reading some of your last posts you express you want the destruction of countries and justify crazy talmudist rabbits who speaks of war, its clear why you want to derail threads
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