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Old 19-08-2012, 03:06 PM   #1
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The illuminate wants world government control with no religion. In essence they are devil worshippers who's aim is to make humans faithless. Faithless in God. The wars the world is currently seeing are in simple terms a spiritual war. The war between right and wrong. The devil wants the world to believe in nothing as that is the devils aim on this world. In this respect the devil helps the illuminatI via black magic in earth and promises more after death...I.e protection in the hereafter. However he lies and all his followers are being lied to. U can't trust the devil. As for all the atheists you are no concern for the illuminate...they gave already brainwashed you. Some groups of Judaism also are heavily involved in devil worshipping and the rest are a small minority. Christianity has been heavily corrupted with their thousand plus versions of the bible. People are turning away naturally from Christianity as they see all the inconsistency in the bible. Islam although alsoo under attack by groups trying .to divide Islam too much...however the beauty of Islam compared to other religions is that the Quran is protected and has never been altered unlike Torah and bible. So the point is that the only real majority of ppl that believe in God as He should be believed in are Muslims. There is only 1 God and we are fighting a war right now between evil and good. More .to come...
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Old 19-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #2
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The illuminate wants world government control with no religion. In essence they are devil worshippers who's aim is to make humans faithless. Faithless in God. The wars the world is currently seeing are in simple terms a spiritual war. The war between right and wrong. The devil wants the world to believe in nothing as that is the devils aim on this world. In this respect the devil helps the illuminatI via black magic in earth and promises more after death...I.e protection in the hereafter. However he lies and all his followers are being lied to. U can't trust the devil. As for all the atheists you are no concern for the illuminate...they gave already brainwashed you. Some groups of Judaism also are heavily involved in devil worshipping and the rest are a small minority. Christianity has been heavily corrupted with their thousand plus versions of the bible. People are turning away naturally from Christianity as they see all the inconsistency in the bible. Islam although alsoo under attack by groups trying .to divide Islam too much...however the beauty of Islam compared to other religions is that the Quran is protected and has never been altered unlike Torah and bible. So the point is that the only real majority of ppl that believe in God as He should be believed in are Muslims. There is only 1 God and we are fighting a war right now between evil and good. More .to come...

Like many people you don't know who the illuminati are and have them totally confused with Capitalists.


What you must realise is that Muslim countries have oil, the people ( capitalists ) who are in charge of the West want oil, so they destabilise countries which have oil to install puppet governments so they have easy access to the oil.

The religious aspect in the Muslim world comes in handy for the capitalists because muslim countries are generally uneducated - therefore easy to manipulate.

Sectarian wars between Muslims are quite easy to create because you all think you are fighting for god and will go to any barbaric act to prove it so the Capitalists just play one side against the other by providing guns and weapons to the various militia and rebel groups.

Muslims simply do the groundwork for the Capitalists to take control without them having to get their hands too dirty.

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As far as the Quran goes Satan is actually the only likeable character in the book, when Abraham is going to immorally murder his son Ishmael Satan turns up and protests for the boys life, but the psychopath Abraham picks up stones and drives Satan away.
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Old 19-08-2012, 09:48 PM   #3
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Whilst it is easy to reply to you...you won't get one. Anyone who mocks Islam as a religion won't get one...I don't really care that much what ppl say about Muslims as half the time they are right...but the Quran is God's words and He protects them and He will make those that mock his words held to be accountable. May God guide all of us.
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Islam although alsoo under attack by groups trying .to divide Islam too much...
If Islam is so unified how do you explain the Shi'a - Sunni conflicts?
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Whilst it is easy to reply to you...you won't get one. Anyone who mocks Islam as a religion won't get one...I don't really care that much what ppl say about Muslims as half the time they are right...but the Quran is God's words and He protects them and He will make those that mock his words held to be accountable. May God guide all of us.
If you expected a reply that will pet your beliefs instead of showing you how things are like then sorry, but you are on the wrong forum. If you cant handle the news then get lost. Islam isnt unique in any way and is just one of the abrahamic denominations that claim the truth, whilst not having any evidence, besides the constant mantras of its believers chanting that its right.

This is not the forum where people will just take what you say. Prepare your claims and your religion to be challenged.
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If everything goes as per the prophecies then yes they will be the only people as a whole to challenge the Illuminati, not for any other reason than they are spiritually strong. YET they MUST do away with the false Imams and the one who turned the deserts green in time for The Arrival or they will be destroyed.
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Old 19-08-2012, 10:50 PM   #7
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The illuminate wants world government control with no religion.
Islamists want world government control through religion. There is no difference between the Illuminati and any religion. Each believe they are the enlightened ones because their god/spirit/teaching is the right one and everyone else are 'satanists'. You are the Illuminati, or at least one of the heads of its hydra. Vade retro satana.
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Whilst it is easy to reply to you...you won't get one. Anyone who mocks Islam as a religion won't get one...I don't really care that much what ppl say about Muslims as half the time they are right...
If your not willing to debate then don't start a thread on a public forum.

If my post offended your much cherished beliefs then I'm actually glad as I find your religion along with its ilk ( Judaism and Christianity ) one of the most anti-human, ridiculous, stupid, backward and utterly vile ideologies on the planet.


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but the Quran is God's words and He protects them and He will make those that mock his words held to be accountable. May God guide all of us.
You believe that because your a Muslim, if you were a Mormon you'd believe the same thing about the Book of Mormon, if you were a Jew you'd believe the same thing about the Torah, a Christian the New Testament, etc.
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Bornagain Christians are also a major threat to the Illuminati for constantly exposing them, we are told that "war will be declared on believers". This is happening in the US already with the Church now becoming Obama's (Illuminati Puppet) greatest enemy

We are warned in the Holy Bible about the one world satanic government system in the last days AKA Illuminati, the Beast, (Babylon reborn) We are also specifically warned not to accept its mark. IE "Mark of the Beast" AKA electronic microchip implant bearing the code in right hand and forehead.

We are also warned that many will be put to death for refusing to comply to their satanic system, ie accepting the "Mark of the Beast".

I must say most Muslims that I have come across on the streets know a lot more about the Illuminati than the average Christian many , even foolishly deny their existence. These will be the ones that will no doubt take Barack Obama's forthcoming microchip implant.

.http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...hcraft/666.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...illuminati.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...sed-part_2.htm

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i'm getting popcorn and settling in...this thread promises to be a rich source of entertainment.
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The illuminate wants world government control with no religion. In essence they are devil worshippers who's aim is to make humans faithless. Faithless in God. The wars the world is currently seeing are in simple terms a spiritual war. The war between right and wrong. The devil wants the world to believe in nothing as that is the devils aim on this world. In this respect the devil helps the illuminatI via black magic in earth and promises more after death...I.e protection in the hereafter. However he lies and all his followers are being lied to. U can't trust the devil. As for all the atheists you are no concern for the illuminate...they gave already brainwashed you. Some groups of Judaism also are heavily involved in devil worshipping and the rest are a small minority. Christianity has been heavily corrupted with their thousand plus versions of the bible. People are turning away naturally from Christianity as they see all the inconsistency in the bible. Islam although alsoo under attack by groups trying .to divide Islam too much...however the beauty of Islam compared to other religions is that the Quran is protected and has never been altered unlike Torah and bible. So the point is that the only real majority of ppl that believe in God as He should be believed in are Muslims. There is only 1 God and we are fighting a war right now between evil and good. More .to come...
the suicide bombings are doing wonders for world peace. how about running down christians with tanks in the streets of egypt for repairing their churches? what about all the violence that was spawned from the muhammad cartoons?

I don't think this situation is so "one-sided", the reality is that most of the large demographic groups are being played, that includes muslims, christians, atheists and etc. G-d will squash these sinful rebellions when the time is right.
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Born again Christians are also a major threat to the Illuminati...
No, they're the special forces of mental illness. The Illuminati is older than Christianity. They created and continue to control it. I think the more extreme sufferers of the Christianity Virus, like the Born Agains and Evangelicals etc, they just realise that tptb are done with religion as a control structure and are slowly converting the masses to Scientism/Materialism.

Lots of people say they're Christian or Muslim but they're not practising. They just keep the title and most rules to avoid pissing off their parents, community or losing their kids place at Catholic School. They'll normalise to whatever they're given. The extreme ones will be leading a false rebellion that will be used to demonise religious belief and bring in tighter controls. Controlled Opposition.

As society shifts into Materialism, the normalised herd will want to distance itself from their crazy ancestors and people with the genetic disorder of 'religious belief' will be classified as a new sub-species: Homo Ironicus. You'll be kept as pets and displayed in zoos.

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the suicide bombings are doing wonders for world peace. how about running down christians with tanks in the streets of egypt for repairing their churches? what about all the violence that was spawned from the muhammad cartoons?

I don't think this situation is so "one-sided", the reality is that most of the large demographic groups are being played, that includes muslims, christians, atheists and etc. G-d will squash these sinful rebellions when the time is right.
I thought he was all-merciful and all-powerful? If your God is so powerful, why doesn't he just stop it...like now?
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If Islam is so unified how do you explain the Shi'a - Sunni conflicts?
As i pointed out in my original post, muslims are not united. They are under attack just like christians have been, i.e. Divide and conquer strategy, also turning one group against the other. There are groups that have been imfiltrated and are now connected to the illuminati, so called muslims or muslim sects. E.g. Bahi...

Further, extremists are also part of thier strategy. In simple terms, suicide bombing against innocent people has no part in Islam. These people are just another group that have been brought in to turn muslims against each other as well as abandon their religion.

Morover most muslim governments are also corrupt and some members are either part of the illuminati or are just sell out hypocrites.
Nonetheless, the muslim people on the ground are strong spirited and majority would fight and die for their beliefs. However, why would they need to in the first place?

As i said in my first post this war is one between good and evil. Good is believing in God, evil is not believing as God should be believed in (i.e. There is only 1 God). whilst divided, whilst different sects and groups, whilst leaders corrupt, the people of Islam are still believers in God, and will continue to be. Islam is a highly growing religion.

Thus, illuminati will try to stir muslims into fighting various wars whether with isreal or other... With the purpose of leading it into ww3 and going nuclear. This would allow illuminati to take down a very large % of muslims in "one" hit.

However muslims will win that war in my opinion InshAllah.

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Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871:•"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."•"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."•"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.
Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
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the suicide bombings are doing wonders for world peace. how about running down christians with tanks in the streets of egypt for repairing their churches? what about all the violence that was spawned from the muhammad cartoons?

I don't think this situation is so "one-sided", the reality is that most of the large demographic groups are being played, that includes muslims, christians, atheists and etc. G-d will squash these sinful rebellions when the time is right.
Good point about the cartoons. If that is what a cartoon can do, imagine what a war that becomes a "holy" war for muslims will do... Forget about the muslims in muslim countries, imagine what the muslims in western countries will do.
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No, they're the special forces of mental illness. The Illuminati is older than Christianity. They created and continue to control it. I think the more extreme sufferers of the Christianity Virus, like the Born Agains and Evangelicals etc, they just realise that tptb are done with religion as a control structure and are slowly converting the masses to Scientism/Materialism.

Lots of people say they're Christian or Muslim but they're not practising. They just keep the title and most rules to avoid pissing off their parents, community or losing their kids place at Catholic School. They'll normalise to whatever they're given. The extreme ones will be leading a false rebellion that will be used to demonise religious belief and bring in tighter controls. Controlled Opposition.

As society shifts into Materialism, the normalised herd will want to distance itself from their crazy ancestors and people with the genetic disorder of 'religious belief' will be classified as a new sub-species: Homo Ironicus. You'll be kept as pets and displayed in zoos.

Your analysis of what you think will happen (i.e. People will abandon religion) is precisely the aim of the illuminati. It is to a very large degree already a reflection on Christianity. So you are spot on, except you have no idea...

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Islamists want world government control through religion. There is no difference between the Illuminati and any religion. Each believe they are the enlightened ones because their god/spirit/teaching is the right one and everyone else are 'satanists'. You are the Illuminati, or at least one of the heads of its hydra. Vade retro satana.
No where in the Quran does it say that everyone else are satanists. The doors to heaven are open to any person who believes in God and does good deeds. Islam is a way of life thst gives people guidance to heaven but it is not the only gate into heaven. That is not my opinion, that is what the Quran teaches.

If you would like quotes i would be happy to list them.

And please dont bother cutting and pasting out of context quotes from the Quran on this matter, i think this forum has enough of that in other threads.
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Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871:•"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."•"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."•"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.
Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
The usual quotation of the usual fraud which is taken seriously only by the usual conspiracy nuts:

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-mason...e_mazzini.html

I get awfully tired of conspiracy theories.

The spread of the Illuminati legend and continued belief in them today can be traced back to the book Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robinson, a 1798 anti-Freemasonry book (the Freemasons and Illuminati are often regarded as one and the same by conspiracy theorists). Proofs of a Conspiracy (a complete and total nonsense of a book) has become a source of inspiration to many conspiracy theorists since its initial publication and has been reprinted by, among others, the John Birch Society. Many modern variations of the Illuminati conspiracy have them being a controlling influence in the New World Order.

The alleged continued existence of the "Illuminati" looms large in many conspiracy theories, tall tales by evangelical Satanic Panic-fakers like Mike Warnke and John Todd, crank anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic writings, pseudolaw theories, etc. Depending on which version of the "Illuminati" story one believes, they are either a Satanic, Masonic, Zionist, atheist, reptilian, or secular financial conspiracy. Despite the many different versions of the conspiracy, each version claims to have evidence that they are correct.

Mike Warnke and John Todd, mentioned above, are two fake "ex-Satanist" Christian evangelists. They have both described the Illuminati as the highest level of Satanism. Warnke claimed he learned of the Illuminati when attending a high-level conference of Satanists and Witches, shortly before he dropped out of Satanism to join the navy and convert to Christianity. Todd claimed to have been a member of the Illuminati himself, which he said was a high council of druids secretly working to destroy Christianity and make witchcraft the official religion of the United States. Belief in the Illuminati as a Satanic conspiracy continues to be held by many evangelical Christians, despite both Warnke and Todd being exposed as frauds.

The whole thing is a fraud unsubstantiated by even the slightest hard evidence.

I always find it amusing and indeed revealing how so many posters on this forum jump on the Illuminati/Masonic/Satanists are controlling the world conspiracy theory but yet forget that it is just that, a theory. Yet these are the same people who when anyone starts an evolution thread on this forum will be the first to yell, "ah that's just a theory". Of course denying the mounting evidence that evolution might indeed be true.

The theory of evolution is not mounted on spurious and unproven ideas. It is not mounted on quotes taken out of context - or worse - outright fabrications accepted as fact. The theory of evolution has itself evolved slowly to take the form it has today. This is why it has gained widespread acceptance. The data exists, it can be checked. Yet many of the people here will yell "it's just a theory, you cannot prove its true."

Yet these same people will be the first to espouse the most outlandish conspiracy theories and parade them as fact. Never mind that they cannot support their claims with any hard evidence. In their mind it is true and so it must be true for all. Recent examples that come to mind on this forum include the Satanic Ritual Abuse nonsense and now of course the Occult/Masonic/Illuminati/Hidden elite nonsense currently doing the rounds.

Never mind that the evidence not only does not support their claims but in fact counters it and points the finger much closer to home than they would like to admit. The devil is always easier to find outside, always easier to see in someone else, always easier to accept if it's veiled in mysterious robes.

If evolution is just a theory (by the way I am not saying it's not so please save me the rhetoric), with all the available data, how much more of a theory is all of this conspiracy nonsense? Or can some people here only see 'theory' when it suits their whims and prejudices?

Seriously people, if you are going to make up conspiracy theories about Masonic/Occult/Satanist world conquest then at least do what the evolutionists do and provide some hard data which the rest of us can check and test. Otherwise what you are engaging in are nothing but crackpot theories. Can you people understand the difference between serious theory and crackpot theory?

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Our modern idea of the Illuminati comes from two principal critics, John Robison and the Abbé Barruel both of who published their accusations, theories and "histories" in English. The problem with their work was their agenda. These two authors were royalists obsessed with the idea that the royal houses of Europe would be dispersed. They equated anti-royal discourse with the antichrist and Satanism. In his work Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism, Written in French by the Abbé Barruel, the author is obsessed with the Wishaupt's discourse titled under "Princes and Nations shall disappear from the face of the Earth ... and this revolution shall be the work of secret societies." In fact it is the Weishaupt's hatred of Royalty which most upsets the writer and a fear that such thinking would sweep the world. [Source: Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism, by the Abbé Barruel, and translated into English by the Hon. Robert Clifford, F.R.S. & A. S. Weishaupt’s Discourse for the Mysteries. Part I. The Antichristian Conspiracy. Second Edition, revised 1798 p. 261]

The other critic (John Robinson) is even worse. An avowed royalist, Robinson made his feeling known in a book titled Proofs of a Conspiracy against all the Religions and Governments of Europe carried on in the Secret Meetings of the Freemasons, Illuminati, and Reading Societies, collected from Good Authorities. The fear again was that this new wave of Libertarian thinking would sweep away the old order.

In his book Robison freely admitted that he had scanty knowledge of German and had derived all his information from other writers. [Source: Postscript, p. 2] Unfortunately neither he nor Barruel were concerned with providing references for their sources. When they do quote from the papers and correspondence of the Order as published by the Bavarian government or the published works of Adam Weishaupt and Adolph Knigge, they also fail to provide context or citations.

Regarding Adam Weishaupt it is today very little understood where his philosophy derived or even what it stood for. When he was appointed as Professor of Natural and Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt in 1775 he pissed off the Jesuits who controlled the strings in that institution. An observer commented:

"Weishaupt, whose views were cosmopolitan, and who knew and condemned the bigotry and superstitions of the Priests, established an opposing party in the University...."

Most information regarding the rituals and objectives of the order are derived from papers and correspondence found in a search of Xavier Zwack’s residence in Landshut on October 11, 1786, and a search of Baron Bassus’s castle of Sondersdorf in Bavaria in 1787. These were wrongly translated by Robinson (remember that he admits that he does not know German) and were falsified by not only Austrian authorities but also by Barruel.

As an example Barruel claimed that Lanz, an Illuminati courier, was struck by lightning, thus revealing Weishaupt’s papers to the authorities, but this does not appear to be substantiated. This error was widely reprinted and enlarged on by subsequent anti-masons whose lack of research and disdain for historical accuracy has lead them to confuse Johann Jakob Lanz, a non-Illuminati secular priest in Erding, and friend of Weishaupt, with Franz Georg Lang, a court advisor in Eichstätt who was active in the Illuminati under the name Tamerlan. This is how badly formulated these conspiracy theories really are. They can not even get the characters in question correct.

Hilariously Barruel mistakenly translated "Weltpriester", or secular priest, as apostate priest and subsequent conspiracy writers such as Webster and Miller have repeated this error. Eckert renamed Weishaupt’s friend as Lanze and had him struck by lightning while carrying dispatches in Silesia. Miller cited Eckert but renamed Lanz as Jacob Lang and placed the lightning strike in Ratisbon. This is a minor detail in the history but it demonstrates the lack of accuracy often displayed by detractors of the Illuminati. Barruel writes:

"Among his adepts was one LANZ, an apostate priest. Weishaupt designed him as the person to carry his mysteries and conspiracies into Selesia. His mission was already fixed, and Weishaupt was giving him his last instructions, when a thunder-bolt from Heaven struck the apostate dead, and that by the side of Weishaupt. The Brethren, in their first fright, had not recourse to their ordinary means for diverting the papers of the deceased adept from the inspection of the magistrate. [Source: Apology of the Illuminees, P. 62." Barruel. p. 244]

What a joke!

Neither Robison nor Barruel deny that the professed goal of the Order was to teach people to be happy by making them good and do this by enlightening the mind and freeing it from the dominion of superstition and prejudice. What they hated was the Order's anti-Royal mind-set.

A quick examination of the practices of the Illuminati quickly reveals that the rituals were of a rationalistic and not occult nature. In fact there was no occultism whatsoever and the thinking was purely based around the rational rights of man.

Conspiracy idiots like born-again nut Alex Jones and company continue to distort history and in doing this are merely following the work of previous conspiracy nuts such as Robinson and Barruel.

The whole Illuminati conspiracy and the claims of some megalithic Satanic world-control are total and utter nonsense!

Dangerous thinking makes for a dangerous Order. The Order had to be dispersed:

http://illuminati-order.com/Philosop...ty-english.swf

"In 1773 Pope Clement XIV, under pressure especially from the governments of France, Spain and Portugal, issued a decree abolishing the order. The society’s corporate existence was maintained in Russia, where political circumstances—notably the opposition of Catherine II the Great—prevented the canonical execution of the suppression." - The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, Chicago: 1989, 15th edition.

Notice the countries pushing the suppression?

May Weishaupt be always remembered!

Let the shit-storm begin

"Whoever does not close his ear to the lamentations of the miserable, nor his heart to gentle pity; whoever is the friend and brother of the unfortunate; whoever has a heart capable of love and friendship; whoever is steadfast in adversity, unwearied in the carrying out of whatever has been once engaged in, undaunted in the overcoming of difficulties; whoever does not mock and despise the weak; whose soul is susceptible of conceiving great designs, desirous of rising superior to all base motives, and of distinguishing itself by deeds of benevolence; whoever shuns idleness; whoever considers no knowledge as unessential which he may have the opportunity of acquiring, regarding the knowledge of mankind as his chief study; whoever, when truth and virtue are in question, despising the approbation of the multitude, is sufficiently courageous to follow the dictates of his own heart, - such a one is a proper candidate." - Adam Weishaupt An Improved System of the Illuminati, Gotha: 1787
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Jefferson's letter on Weishaupt (strangely always omitted by conspiracy theorists):

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To Bishop James Madison
Philadelphia, Jan. 31, 1800

DEAR SIR, -- I have received your favor of the 17th, & communicated it to Mr. Smith. I lately forwarded your letter from Dr. Priestley, endorsed 'with a book'; I struck those words through with my pen, because no book had then come. It is now received, & shall be forwarded to Richmond by the first opportunity: but such opportunities are difficult to find; gentlemen going in the stage not liking to take charge of a packet which is to be attended to every time the stage is changed. The best chance will be by some captain of a vessel going round to Richmond. I shall address it to the care of Mr. George Jefferson there.

I have lately by accident got a sight of a single volume (the 3d.) of the Abbe Barruel’s 'Antisocial conspiracy,' which gives me the first idea I have ever had of what is meant by the Illuminatism against which 'illuminate Morse' as he is now called, & his ecclesiastical & monarchical associates have been making such a hue and cry.

Barruel’s own parts of the book are perfectly the ravings of a Bedlamite. But he quotes largely from Wishaupt whom he considers as the founder of what he calls the order. As you may not have had an opportunity of forming a judgment of this cry of 'mad dog' which has been raised against his doctrines, I will give you the idea I have formed from only an hour’s reading of Barruel’s quotations from him, which you may be sure are not the most favorable. Wishaupt seems to be an enthusiastic Philanthropist.

He is among those (as you know the excellent Price and Priestley also are) who believe in the indefinite perfectibility of man. He thinks he may in time be rendered so perfect that he will be able to govern himself in every circumstance so as to injure none, to do all the good he can, to leave government no occasion to exercise their powers over him, & of course to render political government useless. This you know is Godwin’s doctrine, and this is what Robinson, Barruel & Morse had called a conspiracy against all government. Wishaupt believes that to promote this perfection of the human character was the object of Jesus Christ. That his intention was simply to reinstate natural religion, & by diffusing the light of his morality, to teach us to govern ourselves. His precepts are the love of god & love of our neighbor. And by teaching innocence of conduct, he expected to place men in their natural state of liberty & equality. He says, no one ever laid a surer foundation for liberty than our grand master, Jesus of Nazareth. He believes the Free Masons were originally possessed of the true principles & objects of Christianity, & have still preserved some of them by tradition, but much disfigured.

The means he proposes to effect this improvement of human nature are 'to enlighten men, to correct their morals & inspire them with benevolence. Secure of our success, sais he, we abstain from violent commotions. To have foreseen the happiness of posterity & to have prepared it by irreproachable means, suffices for our felicity. The tranquility of our consciences is not troubled by the reproach of aiming at the ruin or overthrow of states or thrones.'

As Wishaupt lived under the tyranny of a despot & priests, he knew that caution was necessary even in spreading information, & the principles of pure morality. He proposed therefore to lead the Free masons to adopt this object & to make the objects of their institution the diffusion of science & virtue. He proposed to initiate new members into his body by gradations proportioned to his fears of the thunderbolts of tyranny.

This has given an air of mystery to his views, was the foundation of his banishment, the subversion of the masonic order, & is the colour for the ravings against him of Robinson, Barruel & Morse, whose real fears are that the craft would be endangered by the spreading of information, reason, & natural morality among men.

This subject being new to me, I have imagined that if it be so to you also, you may receive the same satisfaction in seeing, which I have had in forming the analysis of it: & I believe you will think with me that if Wishaupt had written here, where no secrecy is necessary in our endeavors to render men wise & virtuous, he would not have thought of any secret machinery for that purpose. As Godwin, if he had written in Germany, might probably also have thought secrecy & mysticism prudent.

I will say nothing to you on the late revolution of France, which is painfully interesting. Perhaps when we know more of the circumstances which gave rise to it, & the direction it will take, Buonaparte, its chief organ, may stand in a better light than at present. I am with great esteem, dear sir, your affectionate friend.
Food for thought...

"But alas, they are all sadly deficient, because they leave us under the domination of political and religious prejudices; and they are as inefficient as the sleepy dose of an ordinary sermon." - Adam Weishaupt

"And of all illumination which human reason can give, none is comparable to the discovery of what we are, our nature, our obligations, what happiness we are capable of, and what are the means of attaining it." - Adam Weishaupt

"Let this circumstance of our constitution therefore be directed to this noble purpose, and then all the objections urged against it by jealous tyranny and affrighted superstition will vanish." - Adam Weishaupt

"Morality will perform all this; and Morality is the fruit of Illumination." - Adam Weishaupt

"This is the great object held out by this association; and the means of attaining it is illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason which will dispell the clouds of superstition and of prejudice." - Adam Weishaupt

"When man lives under government, he is fallen, his worth is gone, and his nature tarnished." - Adam Weishaupt
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