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Old 12-03-2008, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default Van Alen belt? and moon landing hoax?

Can man pass throught the Van Alen belt...If not does this mean the moon landings is a BIG hoax?
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:16 PM   #2
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Moon landing is anyway a big hoax. Looks like we, earth dwellers are specialised in hoaxes...
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Old 12-03-2008, 05:42 PM   #3
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Here's some stuff I found about the Van Allen belts.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.


Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]

Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInf...Challenge.html
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...9659&hl=apollo
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I tend to take the conspiracy side against the Apollo program - there are too many flaws and too few satisfactory answers from Nasa. However, I'm less convinced about the so-called evidence that it isn't possible to survive crossing through the Van Allen belts. Have a look at -

http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4071/moon.html

In the end you can read reams of stuff from each camps and still not have the definitive answer. But since it looks like the Apollo landings were a hoax, it figures that the VA belts could be one serious reason why they were.
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The problem I have with the Van Allen belts is not that you can't fly though them because it probably is possible to fly through them, but that at the time Apollo was being planned nobody knew anything about them! We still don't know everything. If you look at info on the size height and consistency of the belts you come up with many varied figures depentding on the source. When the Apollo craft were supposedly sent to the moon they were like a diver who jumps into water not knowing how deep it is.
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I tend to take the conspiracy side against the Apollo program - there are too many flaws and too few satisfactory answers from Nasa. However, I'm less convinced about the so-called evidence that it isn't possible to survive crossing through the Van Allen belts. Have a look at -

http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4071/moon.html

In the end you can read reams of stuff from each camps and still not have the definitive answer. But since it looks like the Apollo landings were a hoax, it figures that the VA belts could be one serious reason why they were.
They are one reason, yes, but they are just one of the radiation risks out in space. Solar flares are another far more serious risk.
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They are one reason, yes, but they are just one of the radiation risks out in space. Solar flares are another far more serious risk.

Solar Plasma would electrocute the space shutter and everybody on board, Sun spots produce large burst of solar radiation and charged plasma, its basically high powered clouds that make it all the way to our north poles and create the Aura Borealis.

My wifes uncle was for NASA and I have asked him about this, he said they must have gotten lucky and missed all the solar plasma Sure sure.

The chances of going to the Moon and back strapped to a rocket are a Billion to one, everything about the Moon videos is wrong.

You do know Nasa lost the original videos
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Solar Plasma would electrocute the space shutter and everybody on board, Sun spots produce large burst of solar radiation and charged plasma, its basically high powered clouds that make it all the way to our north poles and create the Aura Borealis.

My wifes uncle was for NASA and I have asked him about this, he said they must have gotten lucky and missed all the solar plasma Sure sure.

The chances of going to the Moon and back strapped to a rocket are a Billion to one, everything about the Moon videos is wrong.

You do know Nasa lost the original videos
I heard about that! How? These were 3 inch video tape cartridges; not the kind of thing that can slip down behind the radiator! The archivists were going crazy looking for it!

The Apollo missions took place at the solar maximum, the peak opf the sun's 11-year activity cycle; the time most likely for an x-type flare to erupt.
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van allen belts - well van allen himself says no problem but what would he know !

thing is - you passing thru them not staying in them

i reckon they landed - it ain't that hard anyway

plus hopw did the lazer reflectors get on the moon that all the astronomers
fire lasers at to check the distance away ?

unless they are all in the cover up as well !!!
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van allen belts - well van allen himself says no problem but what would he know !
You do know he only got named after it its not like he made it and is an expert on the solar band of radiation.



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thing is - you passing thru them not staying in them
Have you ever ran from a car door to a home door in the rain, did you get wet, how can that be, you only passed through it, radiation has the same effect, its not something you can run through without getting fried and Solar radiation is lethal, we can't thank our atmosphere and Ionosphere enough.



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i reckon they landed - it ain't that hard anyway
Well considering the Russians were 10 to 15 years ahead of the Americans according to Werner Von Braun, they made a unbelievable come back in 15 months, I stress the unbelievable part.

Do you remember how advanced computers where in 1993? will think of it like this.

The Americans had 1993 space technology and research and the Russians had 2008 technology and research, imagine a country like Cuba making a more advanced computer than Japan, it would not be unfair to say its a bit of a surprise they made a leap in progress with no footnotes to show how they did it, you know failed test or any test and dry runs, the Russians put all kinds of Animals in space and had them die, then realised how dangerous space was.

If the US made it to the Moon why are they buying old Rocket boosters from Russia? Why did they not make there own space station?

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plus hopw did the lazer reflectors get on the moon that all the astronomers fire lasers at to check the distance away ?
You do know that can be done with robots, besides the so called reflectors are a bad joke, there not even mirrors that can focus a light beam back in the general direction of Earth, I saw the pictures and there like reflective rags, just dumped on the ground, they fire off hundreds of billion, billion, trillion photons and wait for one to hit the collectors. then they wait for ages for just one photon to hit the collector, that photon could be from anything!

That wonderful guys, keep up the great work thank Goodness I am not paying for those quacks

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unless they are all in the cover up as well !!!
Everybody knows how dumb smart people are, compartmentalise them all and your in business, its not hard.


Have a look at some of the basic facts and why they have never been back in 36 years, in fact Russia should have been first and then 10 to 15 years latter the US would have landed at the Moscow moon based

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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van allen belts - well van allen himself says no problem but what would he know !

thing is - you passing thru them not staying in them

i reckon they landed - it ain't that hard anyway

plus hopw did the lazer reflectors get on the moon that all the astronomers
fire lasers at to check the distance away ?

unless they are all in the cover up as well !!!

Van Allen made several statements abouit the belts named after him. In an earlier quote he said (paraphrased): "Steps would need to be taken to protect astronauts travelling through the belts". The main concern is that to this day, the size, consistence and height of the belts is still being wrangled out. If I were building a rocket and wanted some figures on the radiation risk for the belts I'd have a whole series of various estimates to choose from. The belts are also theorized to fluctuate with the levels of sunspot activity. The matter was further complicated by the creation of an artifical third belt! This was caused by Operation Starfish Prime in 1962. An A-bomb was expoloded in low Earth orbit forming a temporary third belt that was even more intense than the two natural ones. I say "temporary"; it's still there. It will gradually decay, but not for several centuries!

The laser reflector is definitely there, but just because it's there doesn't prove that human hands put it there. Such feats are well within the capbilities of unmanned craft (even if you're only talking official, publically-released technology!) The same goes for the moon rock. In fact the Russians brought home moon rocks by robot return vehicle. We've got plans today to do the same with Mars rock.
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Have a look at some of the basic facts and why they have never been back in 36 years, in fact Russia should have been first and then 10 to 15 years latter the US would have landed at the Moscow moon based

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
I've often wondered why the Russians never went to the moon after the Americans. They're still not; in fact it looks as if China is going to get there ahead of them (China wants to put a man on the moon in 2016) meaning Russia will have to settle for third place at best!

The USSR actually had a rocket on the launch pad at the time the Americans launched Apollo 11. It blew up, but that's never stopped them before. If they'd given up that easily, nobody would ever have got into space! The official sory is that the programme was cancelled because the Soviets were...... demoralized by America getting to the moon first!? So they abandon the project just because they couldn't keep up with the Jones'? Nah! Why then didn't America abandon putting a man in spce when Yuri Gagarin got there first? Why didn't they give up and go home when Russia beat them?

There's another reason why manned moon missions were cancelled: Because they never happened at all to begin with!
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I'm with Bill Cooper on this one...

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Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.

All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echo the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."

Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes.

No man has ever ascended much higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. At or under that altitude the astronauts are beneath the radiation of the Van Allen Belt and the Van Allen Belt shields them from the extreme radiation which permeates space. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.

The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, Solar flares, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings

If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum... and that is not even taking into consideration any effects of cosmic radiation, Solar flares, micrometeorites, etc. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.

Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold, molecules must be present.

A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.

Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.

Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.

NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.

NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.

Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a "vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.

The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space... an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return.

NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft.

On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man.

What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy Commissions Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures well over 100 degrees. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect insulating vacuum of space.

As proof examine the Lunar Lander on display in the Smithsonian Institute and notice the shrouded and encased cone of the rocket engine INSIDE the Lander which is attached above the rocket nozzle at the bottom center of the Lander. It is this rocket engine which supposedly provided the retro thrust upon landing on the moon and the takeoff thrust during takeoff from the moon. In the actual Lunar Lander this engine is present but in the film and pictures of the inside of the Lunar Lander that was "said" to be on the moon the engine is absent. Then examine the Lunar Lander simulator and you will see exactly where the fake footage was filmed.

It would also be a good idea for you to measure the dimensions of the astronauts in their spacesuits and then measure the actual usable dimensions of the hatch that they had to use to egress and ingress the Lander. Also measure the inside dimensions of the actual Lander and you will see that the astronauts (liars) could not have possibly left or entered in their suits through that hatch. Notice the position of the hinge of the hatch and then examine the Lunar Lander training simulator and measure all the dimensions noted above taking care to note the position of the hinge on the much larger hatch and you may become "illumined"... so to speak.

NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves... a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space.

If you don't believe it try it yourself... it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just a few of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.

We attempted to obtain data on Solar activity and in particular Solar flares which may have been active during the Apollo Moon Missions. We found that data is available for any day of any year during which data has been collected EXCEPT the days and hours of all of the Apollo Moon shots. That data can not be obtained from any government agency including NASA, NOAA, or the Naval Observatory. This is data that is normally collected and would have been used in calculating the dates of launch, dates and times of EVAs, and extreme radiation hazard. It would have been monitored during times of extra vehicular activity (EVA) of the astronauts while on the moon... that is if any astronauts were ever on the moon. The data is not available because it would demonstrate that the so-called astronauts would have been fried crisp. They would have returned to the earth DEAD if they had actually attempted any such missions.

In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of studio photography, studio lighting, and the reality of Lunar physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. No color film known to man, then or now, had or has the latitude to produce the excellent detail found in shadow and highlighted areas of the photographs supposedly taken on the moon. Any professional photographer can tell you that those photographs could only have been produced in a controlled environment using studio lighting and could not possibly have been produced in full sunlight in a vacuum on the moon. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.

Kleinknect, the head of Operations at NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now is now a 33rd Degree Freemason who's brother is the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the surface of the Moon (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin. All of the senior officials of NASA have been, and are, members of the Illuminati, Marxists, or communists.

The Soviet Union planned only one manned moon mission. Soviet cosmonauts related to me that their astronauts were literally COOKED by the extreme radiation in space when sent into high orbit through the Van Allen Belt. The USSR never again attempted to send men into or above the Van Allen Belt. If man could not survive the extreme radiation of the Van Allen Belt how could they put a man on the Moon? The Soviet Union scrapped their Man On The Moon program.
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I very reasonably believe Stanley Kubrick directed and staged the Moon landings, even Henry Kissenger admitted to this on film, "It was for a back up, just in case something went wrong" he claimed.

Why would you need a back up?

If you care to watch Dark Side of the Moon, its a French documentary by director William Karel which originally aired on Arte in 2002 with the title Opération Lune.


All 5 parts can be watched on youtube.
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I very reasonably believe Stanley Kubrick directed and staged the Moon landings, even Henry Kissenger admitted to this on film, "It was for a back up, just in case something went wrong" he claimed.

Why would you need a back up?

If you care to watch Dark Side of the Moon, its a French documentary by director William Karel which originally aired on Arte in 2002 with the title Opération Lune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSQ952XZQns

All 5 parts can be watched on youtube.
Isnt dark side of the moon a mockumentary ?
I thought this had been proved it was a few years ago.
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Isnt dark side of the moon a mockumentary ?
I thought this had been proved it was a few years ago.
It is unfortunately. Watch the end credits!
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Why would these people even entertain such a film?

Unless lets take the pish out of the Conspiracy theorist and laugh at them.
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Why would these people even entertain such a film?

Unless lets take the pish out of the Conspiracy theorist and laugh at them.
Bingo! That's precisely what it was I think.

They had to get their own back for Capricorn One!
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Old 21-03-2008, 01:19 PM   #19
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Why would these people even entertain such a film?

Unless lets take the pish out of the Conspiracy theorist and laugh at them.
This seems to be a tactic with debunkers. Rather than deal with the issues, they ridicule the messenger.
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Tanks all, interesting. So, it's all science fiction and you'd have to believe man has advanced hidden technology, but guess they are only theories, the Van Alan belt would seem inpenatrable/un passable.
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