The co2 lie

groen · 24-07-2012, 11:50 PM

The whole global warming movement is dependent on the co2 lie. The carbon trading market and the carbon credits and tax are all dependent on the co2 lie. They have even set up entire government departments solely for the purpose of combating co2.

Co2 is not a pollutant and is not classified officially as an air pollutant. There is no evidence the co2 increases lead to increases in temperature. It has never been proven that higher concentrations of co2 lead to increases in temperature. The greenhouse theory is just a theory and I have never been able to find out they are measuring the radioactive reflective of co2 in the atmosphere.

Co2 is not a by product of incomplete combustion, the most common form of combustion. Carbon monoxide is the most common by product of combustion. CO a poisonous lethal gas which is a known official air pollutant, is never talked about. Cars for example emit CO and then uses a catalytic converter (a great invention) oxidizes the CO in to CO2. There are no known patents for complete combustion. But in some high oxygen environments it can be achieved.

Co2 is what animals and humans exhales and what plants species inhale. To say that co2 is a pollutant would be say that humans are walking chimney stacks.

The co2 lie allows for pollution to be legalized and offset using carbon credit market. So a corporation can pollute poison gases and then just needs to offset their CO2 and no one is the wiser. Some industries that emit CO2 as the process of their industrial activity are especially penalized. When in fact CO2 as a result of industrial activity should be encouraged over other more poisonous forms of air pollution.

night_gaunt · 25-07-2012, 01:57 AM

Co2 is not the only pollutant. Methane is actually far worse, and water vapor as well.
It has been proven. It's just like metal conducting electricity...
Simple physics. Carbon, methane, and water vapor will absorb heat.
You may test it out if u like.

night_gaunt · 25-07-2012, 02:09 AM

This may help.
"Why do some molecules absorb heat? Each molecule has a specific shape as the atoms' electrons try to maximize the distance between each other. These atoms can vibrate in their position if packets of energy can be absorbed and each chemical bond is prepared to absorb energy of only certain wavelengths. (The forms of electromagnetic energy, which includes heat, radio waves, light, UV light, and X-rays, differ in the length of their waves.) If you pass infrared energy (heat) through molecules of carbon dioxide, certain wavelengths of this infrared energy are absorbed rather than transmitted (see the chart below). It is observed that carbon dioxide (CO2) can absorb infrared wavelengths of 4 and 15 microns. In other words, carbon dioxide absorbs heat."
There was a chart but i didn't think it would help much.

sucahyo · 25-07-2012, 02:41 AM

http://www.umweltdaten.de/publikationen/fpdf-l/2605.pdf

Quote:

Greenhouse gas trading in international aviation, however, is not compatible with the Kyoto Protocol. At cruise altitude, apart from CO2 it is above all NOx, water vapour, contrails and cirrus clouds that contribute towards the greenhouse effect. Of these, only CO2 is included in the Kyoto Protocol.

In a Special Report of the IPCC (1999), climatic impact was investigated and compared for three periods of observation (1992, 2015 and 2050). In the case of CO2, not only were aviation emissions at these points in time considered, but also the emissions that have accumulated since 1950. With contrails, on the other hand, only emissions from 1992, 2015 and 2050 were considered on account of their short retention time. It turned out that, for all periods of observation, the radiative forcing of contrails is greater that that of CO2. This can be attributed to the fact that the sensitivity effect of contrails is more intense than the accumulation and growth effects of CO2.

Make you wonder why the government only care about CO2 to the point of taking money from people and ignore the contrails, when contrails is a worse heater.

Without trails, the night will be much colder, just like how it was before.

groen · 25-07-2012, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by night_gaunt

This may help.
"Why do some molecules absorb heat? Each molecule has a specific shape as the atoms' electrons try to maximize the distance between each other. These atoms can vibrate in their position if packets of energy can be absorbed and each chemical bond is prepared to absorb energy of only certain wavelengths. (The forms of electromagnetic energy, which includes heat, radio waves, light, UV light, and X-rays, differ in the length of their waves.) If you pass infrared energy (heat) through molecules of carbon dioxide, certain wavelengths of this infrared energy are absorbed rather than transmitted (see the chart below). It is observed that carbon dioxide (CO2) can absorb infrared wavelengths of 4 and 15 microns. In other words, carbon dioxide absorbs heat."
There was a chart but i didn't think it would help much.

Do you have a source for that information because I would like to hear more about it. So you are saying that co2 absorbs heat on a molecular level? I have not come across that before, if you have any detailed information on how they actually measure the micron absorption and how it relates to other gases. I did an internet search for co2 absorbs heat and saw and example on youtube from tv, where a guy was blowing co2 on to a candle and then it went out. Co2 is used in fire extinguishes, is that due to its ability to absorb heat or starve the fire of oxygen? co2 is also found in soft drinks.

The contrails and chemtrails cause a global dimming effect. The layer of gases from airplane exhaust and other types of pollution, smog etc. This will reflect the suns rays before it has the ability to get through and bounce back in to the greenhouse effect.

night_gaunt · 25-07-2012, 10:34 PM

http://www.pa.msu.edu/sciencet/ask_st/083194.html
This was one of the first hits on google. The other article was basically the same thing. 'How carbon dioxide absorbs heat' I think it was called.
Yes, the qualities of the compound will be found on the molecular level.
That is interesting about fire extinguishers but it would make sense to use co2.
You are correct about the chemicals in the upper spheres, although not all hazardous chemicals absorb heat. Aerosols for example may reverse global warming, but are harmful to the ozone layer.

groen · 25-07-2012, 10:42 PM

As you said methane is worse. But methane is flammable, co2 is not even flammable. The idea that co2 contributes to rising temperatures has not been proven. There is also no valid information to make a claim, that when a certain amount of co2 is in the atmosphere temperatures will reach a certain level.

I think air pollution in all its forms could lead to climate changes and even quite possibly climate intensity and climate instability. But to pipe on about co2 alone is not going to help.

night_gaunt · 25-07-2012, 11:04 PM

Of course it's not just carbon. But carbon dioxide is what is produced from burning fossil fuels. Nitric oxide is actually the worst pollutant but nowhere as prevalant as co2. Even if co2 is less deadly in comparison, it remains in the atmosphere for an average of 100 years. That continues to stock up as more fuel is burned.
Its effect on the environment has been tested in laboratory microcosms and shows the same results, that the temperature will increase.
It's too dangerous and risky to perform these experiments outside in nature, and so we are forced to judge based on these results.

sucahyo · 26-07-2012, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by groen

The contrails and chemtrails cause a global dimming effect. The layer of gases from airplane exhaust and other types of pollution, smog etc. This will reflect the suns rays before it has the ability to get through and bounce back in to the greenhouse effect.

That is bullshit. Contrails will cool the day but will intensely warm the night.

Read this link:
http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/2...e-visible-one/

The relevant answer from scientist is:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...contrails.html

“This warming effect is far greater for contrails left by night flights, Stuber added. “The solar cooling effect [wherein contrails reflect the sun's rays back into space] only happens during the day, when the sun is up,” she explained. “During the night the greenhouse warming is no longer balanced, and that is why the contribution of nighttime flights is so large.” Some contrails can last for a day or longer, though they gradually disperse and begin to resemble natural clouds.”

night_gaunt · 26-07-2012, 04:27 AM

Nice article sucahyo.
If the nights become warmer, perhaps gradually we will become a nocturnal species.
Hmm, good idea for a book..

sucahyo · 26-07-2012, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by night_gaunt

Nice article sucahyo.
If the nights become warmer, perhaps gradually we will become a nocturnal species.
Hmm, good idea for a book..

Night still as cold as the old days for you?

night_gaunt · 26-07-2012, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sucahyo

Night still as cold as the old days for you?

Well i'm in the desert.
Hot nights in the summer, cold nights in the winter.

sucahyo · 26-07-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by night_gaunt

Well i'm in the desert.
Hot nights in the summer, cold nights in the winter.

Ok. I ask because in some places here night is not as cold as before, even at the mountain.

mrunhappy · 26-07-2012, 09:18 AM

Water is BY FAR the biggest greenhouse gas.

The CO2 global warming (climate change) ruse was likely a strategy to, as the OP says, to create yet another fraudulent banking product and to allow further deindustrialisation of the West. China can make and pollute as much as they like of course..

The push to reduce CO2 also made us sheepy a problem of course. Since that is what we breathe out. Look at that Bill Gates video for example.. less people breathing, less people using, less people is the goal.

groen · 26-07-2012, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by night_gaunt

Of course it's not just carbon. But carbon dioxide is what is produced from burning fossil fuels. Nitric oxide is actually the worst pollutant but nowhere as prevalant as co2. Even if co2 is less deadly in comparison, it remains in the atmosphere for an average of 100 years. That continues to stock up as more fuel is burned.
Its effect on the environment has been tested in laboratory microcosms and shows the same results, that the temperature will increase.
It's too dangerous and risky to perform these experiments outside in nature, and so we are forced to judge based on these results.

Well the basic formula for combustion is C + O2 = CO not C + O2 = CO2. You see combustion requires oxygen and thus the oxygen molecular is used up and thus we are left with CO not co2. That is why people are known to die when leaving a bbq in a tent over night while they sleep. Because the fumes of the fire is CO. That is why we have catalytic converters in cars because we need to convert the CO to CO2 because co2 is less harmful.

As for global dimming. I just watched a documentary called Global dimming that noticed the evaporation rate increased when planes were grounded after 911 and thus they came to the conclusion that smog and airplane exhaust contributes to a reduction in the suns rays from getting to the atmosphere.

24-07-2012, 11:50 PM	#1
groen Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 75	The co2 lie The whole global warming movement is dependent on the co2 lie. The carbon trading market and the carbon credits and tax are all dependent on the co2 lie. They have even set up entire government departments solely for the purpose of combating co2. Co2 is not a pollutant and is not classified officially as an air pollutant. There is no evidence the co2 increases lead to increases in temperature. It has never been proven that higher concentrations of co2 lead to increases in temperature. The greenhouse theory is just a theory and I have never been able to find out they are measuring the radioactive reflective of co2 in the atmosphere. Co2 is not a by product of incomplete combustion, the most common form of combustion. Carbon monoxide is the most common by product of combustion. CO a poisonous lethal gas which is a known official air pollutant, is never talked about. Cars for example emit CO and then uses a catalytic converter (a great invention) oxidizes the CO in to CO2. There are no known patents for complete combustion. But in some high oxygen environments it can be achieved. Co2 is what animals and humans exhales and what plants species inhale. To say that co2 is a pollutant would be say that humans are walking chimney stacks. The co2 lie allows for pollution to be legalized and offset using carbon credit market. So a corporation can pollute poison gases and then just needs to offset their CO2 and no one is the wiser. Some industries that emit CO2 as the process of their industrial activity are especially penalized. When in fact CO2 as a result of industrial activity should be encouraged over other more poisonous forms of air pollution. __________________ Check out my greasemonkey script embed tweak

25-07-2012, 01:57 AM	#2
night_gaunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: The Void Posts: 2,320	Co2 is not the only pollutant. Methane is actually far worse, and water vapor as well. It has been proven. It's just like metal conducting electricity... Simple physics. Carbon, methane, and water vapor will absorb heat. You may test it out if u like. __________________ Spice up any meal by tossing a bag of brown recluse spiders up in the air at a ceiling fan. -Food Network

25-07-2012, 02:09 AM	#3
night_gaunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: The Void Posts: 2,320	This may help. "Why do some molecules absorb heat? Each molecule has a specific shape as the atoms' electrons try to maximize the distance between each other. These atoms can vibrate in their position if packets of energy can be absorbed and each chemical bond is prepared to absorb energy of only certain wavelengths. (The forms of electromagnetic energy, which includes heat, radio waves, light, UV light, and X-rays, differ in the length of their waves.) If you pass infrared energy (heat) through molecules of carbon dioxide, certain wavelengths of this infrared energy are absorbed rather than transmitted (see the chart below). It is observed that carbon dioxide (CO2) can absorb infrared wavelengths of 4 and 15 microns. In other words, carbon dioxide absorbs heat." There was a chart but i didn't think it would help much. __________________ Spice up any meal by tossing a bag of brown recluse spiders up in the air at a ceiling fan. -Food Network Last edited by night_gaunt; 25-07-2012 at 02:10 AM.

25-07-2012, 10:34 PM	#6
night_gaunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: The Void Posts: 2,320	http://www.pa.msu.edu/sciencet/ask_st/083194.html This was one of the first hits on google. The other article was basically the same thing. 'How carbon dioxide absorbs heat' I think it was called. Yes, the qualities of the compound will be found on the molecular level. That is interesting about fire extinguishers but it would make sense to use co2. You are correct about the chemicals in the upper spheres, although not all hazardous chemicals absorb heat. Aerosols for example may reverse global warming, but are harmful to the ozone layer. __________________ Spice up any meal by tossing a bag of brown recluse spiders up in the air at a ceiling fan. -Food Network

25-07-2012, 10:42 PM	#7
groen Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 75	As you said methane is worse. But methane is flammable, co2 is not even flammable. The idea that co2 contributes to rising temperatures has not been proven. There is also no valid information to make a claim, that when a certain amount of co2 is in the atmosphere temperatures will reach a certain level. I think air pollution in all its forms could lead to climate changes and even quite possibly climate intensity and climate instability. But to pipe on about co2 alone is not going to help. __________________ Check out my greasemonkey script embed tweak Last edited by groen; 25-07-2012 at 10:43 PM.

25-07-2012, 11:04 PM	#8
night_gaunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: The Void Posts: 2,320	Of course it's not just carbon. But carbon dioxide is what is produced from burning fossil fuels. Nitric oxide is actually the worst pollutant but nowhere as prevalant as co2. Even if co2 is less deadly in comparison, it remains in the atmosphere for an average of 100 years. That continues to stock up as more fuel is burned. Its effect on the environment has been tested in laboratory microcosms and shows the same results, that the temperature will increase. It's too dangerous and risky to perform these experiments outside in nature, and so we are forced to judge based on these results. __________________ Spice up any meal by tossing a bag of brown recluse spiders up in the air at a ceiling fan. -Food Network

26-07-2012, 04:27 AM	#10
night_gaunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: The Void Posts: 2,320	Nice article sucahyo. If the nights become warmer, perhaps gradually we will become a nocturnal species. Hmm, good idea for a book.. __________________ Spice up any meal by tossing a bag of brown recluse spiders up in the air at a ceiling fan. -Food Network

26-07-2012, 09:18 AM	#14
mrunhappy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,135	Water is BY FAR the biggest greenhouse gas. The CO2 global warming (climate change) ruse was likely a strategy to, as the OP says, to create yet another fraudulent banking product and to allow further deindustrialisation of the West. China can make and pollute as much as they like of course.. The push to reduce CO2 also made us sheepy a problem of course. Since that is what we breathe out. Look at that Bill Gates video for example.. less people breathing, less people using, less people is the goal. __________________ Psalm 911: Back. But Wobbly.