Prince William's Promotion

[ozpixie]

I admit that I have not read through this material in depth but it would surprise me greatly to find that lightgiver has made an error.

[rapunzel]

Originally Posted by bluehorseman

O.K I will bite. I havn't read the book but have read many threads where Waddell's book was used as evidence and take it the basic premise is that the higher civilisation that Caesar recorded to do with the Druids was infact brought into the British isles via Phonecian's some 3000 years ago, way before the birth of Christ, and many say that it is a remnant of Atlantean civilisation.

So are you saying that because his views were not in agreement with the general opinion of things back in the 1920's that it isn't right?

What are you implying with this post?

I ask because you obviously have a good knowledge of the subject and I would be interested to find out.

I read Waddells book on the Phoenician origin of the British a long time ago and found it very difficult and turgid to read. There is a copy of it here and it is just as turgid as I remember.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13303899/T...#outer_page_85

I’ve had a look at it and remembered it started off discussing the so called Newton Stone in Scotland. He claimed to have translated the unknown language on part of it where other linguists had failed and claimed it was Aryan Phoenician partly on the basis that he had spotted a small sun swastika in the middle of the letters. There have been numerous attempts to translate the text all of which disagree.

Here’s another interpretation of it by another writer:

“The Newton Stone is the most important human record of interplanetary 'galactric' conflict in existence; illustrating the birth of gas-globe Jupiter-Zeus-Isis from Saturn-Cronus-Osiris, and the pending birth of Venus-Athene-Horus from the former thus completing the cycle of planetary births in the Solar System, and showing the umbilical, smoking-tailed, serpent-dragon Typhon-Seth charged by electromagnetic lightning(s) hurled by Zeus. “

(S. Hall interpretation of engraving after a visit to the Stone in 2005)

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ar...va_tayos09.htm

Waddell also translated the Ogham on the stone differently to other scholars and he claimed that the two inscriptions were identical so that the stone was bi-lingual. He dated the stone at 400 BC based on the shapes of what he claimed were Phoenician letters.

I believe current opinion is that it is medieval but I don’t know on what basis that decision was arrived at.

Like many researchers Waddell makes much of similarity in words from different languages and makes the erroneous conclusion that they must be linked but this is often not the case. For instance in many articles I find the Celtic God Belinus, often called just ‘Bel’ is derived from the Syrian/Canaanite ‘Baal’. A Celtic scholar tells me that Bel means 'power' or 'light', whereas we know that Baal meant ‘lord’. Making connections in this way leads to conclusions that are frequently wrong.

Here’s another interesting article on the Newton Stone.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/arts/ou...stone-1-467155

and here is a quote affectionate article about Waddell from the ‘Bulletin of the History of Archaeology’ which I have just found and which is very interesting to read

http://www.archaeologybulletin.org/a...w/bha.20106/51

All I was implying with my post was that Waddell was very much a product of his time. His speciality was Buddhism and Tibet but he later became interested in India and its influence. He was an extremely enthusiastic amateur. There is nothing wrong in that whatsoever but because of the methods he used to come to his conclusions it is wise to be very wary in using him as an authority.

In fact it is wise never to use just one person as an authority as I have learned over the years. Consult as many scholars as possible is always the best advice I was given and use up to date information.

The people that Caesar encountered in Britain and Gaul were evidently of a higher civilisation than they were later given credit for and it’s infuriating that they seem to have left no written evidence of their own culture. Undoubtedly the Phoenicians visited this country as they were great traders and we know they were in Cornwall trading tin. There is absolutely no reason why they should not have visited other parts of the country and left their mark. Unfortunately I don’t believe in Atlantis as I see little evidence for it but my mind is still open.

I certainly don’t consider myself any kind of expert in this as my interests lie more to the ANE and medieval England so I don’t know whether I have answered your questions to your satisfaction but I have done my best. One last thing – I don’t believe that just because someone’s views are out of sync with current opinion that they are wrong. Providing that the person can prove their belief to be correct then why should they not be heard. If their view is correct then they will ultimately be proved right.

[rapunzel]

Originally Posted by ozpixie

I admit that I have not read through this material in depth but it would surprise me greatly to find that lightgiver has made an error.

Lightgiver mainly posts from wikipedia; he rarely gives his own opinions just regurgitates the opinions of others. Why should he not have made an error? It is not enough to just post a link, he needs to prove, using numerous sources, that his proposition is correct.

I look forward to reading it so that others may comment on the contents.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by ozpixie

I admit that I have not read through this material in depth but it would surprise me greatly to find that lightgiver has made an error.

his claim that joshua of the old testament moved to britian and founded druidism, is pure bunk.
when challenged he absolutely failed to prove it.

"joshua fit the battler of jericho", and then moved to blighty..

[rodin]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

his claim that joshua of the old testament moved to britian and founded druidism, is pure bunk.
when challenged he absolutely failed to prove it.

"joshua fit the battler of jericho", and then moved to blighty..

amazing I agree with you

In fact I will raise you - the majority or all of the Old Testament is bunk - and post-dates Christ

[rodin]

Originally Posted by ozpixie

I admit that I have not read through this material in depth but it would surprise me greatly to find that lightgiver has made an error.

why?

[bluehorseman]

Originally Posted by rapunzel

I read Waddells book on the Phoenician origin of the British a long time ago and found it very difficult and turgid to read. There is a copy of it here and it is just as turgid as I remember.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13303899/T...#outer_page_85

I’ve had a look at it and remembered it started off discussing the so called Newton Stone in Scotland. He claimed to have translated the unknown language on part of it where other linguists had failed and claimed it was Aryan Phoenician partly on the basis that he had spotted a small sun swastika in the middle of the letters. There have been numerous attempts to translate the text all of which disagree.

Here’s another interpretation of it by another writer:

“The Newton Stone is the most important human record of interplanetary 'galactric' conflict in existence; illustrating the birth of gas-globe Jupiter-Zeus-Isis from Saturn-Cronus-Osiris, and the pending birth of Venus-Athene-Horus from the former thus completing the cycle of planetary births in the Solar System, and showing the umbilical, smoking-tailed, serpent-dragon Typhon-Seth charged by electromagnetic lightning(s) hurled by Zeus. “

(S. Hall interpretation of engraving after a visit to the Stone in 2005)

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ar...va_tayos09.htm

Waddell also translated the Ogham on the stone differently to other scholars and he claimed that the two inscriptions were identical so that the stone was bi-lingual. He dated the stone at 400 BC based on the shapes of what he claimed were Phoenician letters.

I believe current opinion is that it is medieval but I don’t know on what basis that decision was arrived at.

Like many researchers Waddell makes much of similarity in words from different languages and makes the erroneous conclusion that they must be linked but this is often not the case. For instance in many articles I find the Celtic God Belinus, often called just ‘Bel’ is derived from the Syrian/Canaanite ‘Baal’. A Celtic scholar tells me that Bel means 'power' or 'light', whereas we know that Baal meant ‘lord’. Making connections in this way leads to conclusions that are frequently wrong.

Here’s another interesting article on the Newton Stone.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/arts/ou...stone-1-467155

and here is a quote affectionate article about Waddell from the ‘Bulletin of the History of Archaeology’ which I have just found and which is very interesting to read

http://www.archaeologybulletin.org/a...w/bha.20106/51

All I was implying with my post was that Waddell was very much a product of his time. His speciality was Buddhism and Tibet but he later became interested in India and its influence. He was an extremely enthusiastic amateur. There is nothing wrong in that whatsoever but because of the methods he used to come to his conclusions it is wise to be very wary in using him as an authority.

In fact it is wise never to use just one person as an authority as I have learned over the years. Consult as many scholars as possible is always the best advice I was given and use up to date information.

The people that Caesar encountered in Britain and Gaul were evidently of a higher civilisation than they were later given credit for and it’s infuriating that they seem to have left no written evidence of their own culture. Undoubtedly the Phoenicians visited this country as they were great traders and we know they were in Cornwall trading tin. There is absolutely no reason why they should not have visited other parts of the country and left their mark. Unfortunately I don’t believe in Atlantis as I see little evidence for it but my mind is still open.

I certainly don’t consider myself any kind of expert in this as my interests lie more to the ANE and medieval England so I don’t know whether I have answered your questions to your satisfaction but I have done my best. One last thing – I don’t believe that just because someone’s views are out of sync with current opinion that they are wrong. Providing that the person can prove their belief to be correct then why should they not be heard. If their view is correct then they will ultimately be proved right.

Thanks have followed kinks after reading post very informative and I especially found the Scotsman article interesting I am going to find out more about the golden library, imagine the secrets it would have.

[yass]

Originally Posted by velma

The Order of the Thistle consists of the Sovereign and sixteen Knights and Ladies, as well as certain "extra" knights (members of the British Royal Family and foreign monarchs). The Sovereign alone grants membership of the Order; he or she is not advised by the Government, as occurs with most other Orders. The Order's primary emblem is the thistle, the national flower of Scotland. The motto is Nemo me impune lacessit (Latin for "No one provokes me with impunity").

Prince William has been initiated into this Order in Edinburgh, the second highest in the land and very much an inbred family affair. The Queen also took part in an ancient 'handing over of keys' ritual at Holyrood.



WOW! Creepy!

Do you reckon the Queen was standing tall (very tall) in her robe?

Arizona Wilder (a recovered mind control sex slave, like Cathy O’Brien, of Trance Formation of America book) told me how she had conducted sacrificial rituals involving the British royal family, Tony Blair, and famous American Illuminati names like George Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Henry Kissinger and many others.

The highest operative she knew in the Illuminati, she said was a guy calling himself the Marquis de Libeaux (”of the water”). His codename was Pindar, which she says means “penis of the dragon”. Arizona told me how the Queen and Queen Mother regularly sacrifice babies and adults at many ritual centers, including Castle in Balmoral, Scotland, where they were staying at the time Diana was ritually murdered in Paris.

The royal family involved in human sacrifice was fantastic enough, but here again came the constantly repeated theme. She described how, during the rituals, these people shape-shift into reptiles. Diane Gould, head of the US Organization, Mothers Against Ritual Abuse, also confirms this theme. In a telephone conversation about ritual abuse, Diane asked me if I could explain why many of her clients reported that participants in their rituals had turned into reptiles. People might want to dismiss all this, but they should know that, while they close their eyes and their minds, children are being sacrificed all over the world this very day by the reptilian bloodlines — many thousands of them on the main ritual dates. Arizona talked about some of her experiences with Queen Mother:

“The Queen Mother was cold, cold, cold, a nasty person. None of her cohorts even trusted her. They have named an altar (mind-control programme) after her. They call it the Black Queen. I have seen her sacrifice people. I remember her pushing a knife into someone’s rectum the night the two boys were sacrificed. One was 13 and the others 18. You need to forget that the Queen Mother appears to be a frail woman. When she shape-shifts into a reptilian, she becomes very tall and strong. Some of them are so strong they can rip out a heart and they all grow by several feet when they shape-shift (This is what the lady said who saw Edward Heath, among endless others.)”

Of the Queen, Arizona said:

“I have seen her sacrifice people and eat their flesh and drink their blood. One time she got so excited with blood-lust that she didn’t cut the victim’s throat from the left to the right in the normal ritual. She just went crazy, stabbing and ripping at the flesh after she shape-shifted into a reptilian. When she shape-shifts, she has a long reptile face, almost like a beak and she is an off-white colour. (This fits many descriptions of the gods and the “bird gods” of ancient Egypt and elsewhere.) The Queen Mother looks basically the same, but there are differences. She (the Queen) also has bumps on her head and her eyes are very frightening. She’s very aggressive…”

“…I have seen (Prince Charles) shape-shift into a reptilian and do all of the things the Queen does. I have seen him sacrifice children. There is a lot of rivalry between them for who gets to eat eat what part of the body and who gets to absorb the victim’s last breath and steal their soul. I have seen Andrew participate and I have seen Prince Phillip and Charles sister (Anne) at the rituals, but they didn’t participate when I was there. When Andrew shape-shifts, he looks more like one of the lizards. The royals are some of the worst. Ok, as far as enjoying the killing, enjoying the sacrifice, and eating the flesh, they are some of the worst of all of them. They don’t care if you see it. Who are you going to tell, who is going to believe you? They feel that it is their birthright and they love it. They love it.”

http://tjcoop3.wordpress.com/2008/02...ifting-queens/

Her husband, William, wore the moss green velvet gown and distinctive heron-plumed hat of the Order of the Thistle.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz20bbpAiSE

Also associated with the Phoenix/Banu Osiris, Ra... ancient Egypt...






http://www.preterhuman.net/texts/oth...s/phoenix.html

http://www.livius.org/phi-php/phoenix/phoenix.html

[Arizona Wilder] I’ve seen all of them drink human blood, and consume human flesh. And they have their own goblets, they have blood in these goblets which are encrusted with jewels. And they also have their own daggers. And the dagger goes into the goblet, and they stir the blood around with it. But it’s also a symbol of the phallus going into the vagina when they are doing this. And I’ve seen them do this. And some of them even have, like the Queen Mother had her own little, it’s almost between a very elaborate ornate chair or a throne kind of thing, brought in for her to sit. Because before these rituals actually start, people move around the room and talk, or recognize one another. It’s a formal, kind of ritualistic setup the way they talk, and the way they’re introduced and introduce each other. It’s like a court.

[David Icke] What are they wearing?

[Arizona Wilder] They are wearing robes. They aren’t wearing anything underneath the robes. And the robes are very ornate. The one thing in common they have is the red color, like blood. And some of them have purple. And they have gold kinds of lines running through them. They have the Merovingian symbol of France -- the fleur-de-lis -- and there are jewels that are sewn in at certain points on these robes. And they wear these robes, but they don’t wear anything underneath these robes, because what is going to happen, what the rituals are all about, they are going to shape-shift. And they can’t have anything on under the robes. And there are orgy kind of things that go on at the rituals also.

[David Icke] Involving the Royal Family of Britain?

[Arizona Wilder] Yes, involving the Royal Family of Britain. And the sacrifice and eating of, consuming the sacrifice. And they are involved in that.

[David Icke] You’ve seen them do that?

[Arizona Wilder] Yes, I have seen them do that.

http://www.naderlibrary.com/icke.rev...ergoddess6.htm

His eyes look like they're closed.


EDITED to highlight bird/beak observations by Arizona Wilder and include Daily Mail quote about the Heron-plumes on their headdress.

[yass]

I found some bigger pics. They don't look so unhappy.
(As someone thought.) Magnified a few.










http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...t-Thistle.html

[sparkplug]

There was an article in an American magazine yesterday that said all William wanted to do was get pissed up and party all the time now he is married. Loads of photos of him leaving places all bleary eyed as well.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by sparkplug

There was an article in an American magazine yesterday that said all William wanted to do was get pissed up and party all the time now he is married. Loads of photos of him leaving places all bleary eyed as well.

american magazines say a lot of stuff.
i wouldn't believe a bit of it.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by rapunzel

To begin with the Book of Judges is myth with no historical facts to uphold the stories.

A Myth...a Lot like Our history we have been given by TPTB...

Originally Posted by rapunzel

Lightgiver mainly posts from wikipedia; he rarely gives his own opinions just r. Why should he not have made an error? It is not enough to just post a link, he needs to prove, using numerous sources, that his proposition is correct.

I look forward to reading it so that others may comment on the contents.

So what links would you like, the ones you post...you also regurgitate the opinions of others...

Originally Posted by zhiba

If evidence points to the 13 Bloodlines / Tribes moving out of the Indus valley regions way before Christ and setting up various orders throughout Europe, it certainly lends credence toward the original Druidic order being founded from teachings and bloodlines from the Indus valley.

Here Here...

Originally Posted by bluehorseman

Thanks have followed kinks after reading post very informative and I especially found the Scotsman article interesting I am going to find out more about the golden library, imagine the secrets it would have.

Informative in what way..would you care to explain...

http://atheism.about.com/library/KJV..._bib_jud16.htm

Book of Judges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Book of Judges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Book of Judges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

A Myth...a Lot like Our history we have been given by TPTB...



So what links would you like, the ones you post...you also regurgitate the opinions of others...



Here Here...

http://atheism.about.com/library/KJV..._bib_jud16.htm
Book of Judges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yes, a myth...or more accurately, a collection of legends about heroes.
your link does nothing to dispute that.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

yes, a myth...or more accurately, a collection of legends about heroes.
your link does nothing to dispute that.

Samson & Delilah (FULL MOVIE) 1/13 - YouTube

Samson & Delilah (FULL MOVIE) 1/13 - YouTube

and out of the strong came forth sweetness...Golden syrup.

Samson & Delilah (FULL MOVIE) 3/13 - YouTube

Samson & Delilah (FULL MOVIE) 3/13 - YouTube

We are still slaves...under the same rule...

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Samson & Delilah (FULL MOVIE) 1/13 - YouTube

and out of the strong came forth sweetness...Golden syrup.

Samson & Delilah (FULL MOVIE) 3/13 - YouTube

We are still slaves...

cool mythical love story.
your point?

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

cool mythical love story.
your point?

Thats your opinion...We are still slaves...under the same rule...

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Thats your opinion...We are still slaves...under the same rule...

speak for yourself.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

speak for yourself.

You do not live in the UK so your words mean very little to me...you do realise that the USA was colonized.

Colonization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Colonization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Colonization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

You do not live in the UK so your words mean very little to me...you do realise that the USA was colonized.

i don't live in the USA either.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

i don't live in the USA either.

Location: north peace bioregion of north america's great boreal forest...