Cameron proposes scrapping youth housing

[honeyrose]

Originally Posted by theoneeyedman

So......I disagree with benefits anyway though, people should try and live autonomously imo.

You are quite right. However, the system in the UK is such that we all pay National Insurance contributions each month from our salary. These contributions that we pay ensure that each and every one of us is entitled to state benefits should the necessity arise during our working life. That means that all of us workers can claim unemployment and housing benefit if we find ourselves out of work and in difficulty. We have paid for this...it isn't free...it never was free. The myth that these are handouts is really a myth. We all pay into this scheme and we take out 'if' and 'when' we have the need. Not all of us have the need but the pot is there for those that do. At the moment there is severe unemployment and little prospect of employment for our young people and forgetting the few scroungers.... most young people would love to be working in a fulfilling job. The trouble is, in this economy the prospects are bleak. Now, instead of offering a little help to the youth, especially those from broken homes and difficult circumstances... our so called 'Government' are going to make it even harder for them by literally taking the roof from over their heads! Few young people under 25 can afford to live alone... most have to share with others in very cramped conditions. They feel lucky to have their own single room and shared bathroom and kitchen these days.

These people governing our country are totally out of touch with the ordinary working class person ....that makes up the majority of the population!

[bialetti]

I blame the employers, they should be paying people a living wage instead of minimum wage and relying on the tax payer to top up people's rents. THEY are the fucking parasites, not benefit claimants.

[Ian2day]

Originally Posted by bialetti

I blame the employers, they should be paying people a living wage instead of minimum wage and relying on the tax payer to top up people's rents. THEY are the fucking parasites, not benefit claimants.

Spot on.

[truthseeker1980]

Originally Posted by honeyrose

You are quite right. However, the system in the UK is such that we all pay National Insurance contributions each month from our salary. These contributions that we pay ensure that each and every one of us is entitled to state benefits should the necessity arise during our working life. That means that all of us workers can claim unemployment and housing benefit if we find ourselves out of work and in difficulty. We have paid for this...it isn't free...it never was free. The myth that these are handouts is really a myth. We all pay into this scheme and we take out 'if' and 'when' we have the need. Not all of us have the need but the pot is there for those that do. At the moment there is severe unemployment and little prospect of employment for our young people and forgetting the few scroungers.... most young people would love to be working in a fulfilling job. The trouble is, in this economy the prospects are bleak. Now, instead of offering a little help to the youth, especially those from broken homes and difficult circumstances... our so called 'Government' are going to make it even harder for them by literally taking the roof from over their heads! Few young people under 25 can afford to live alone... most have to share with others in very cramped conditions. They feel lucky to have their own single room and shared bathroom and kitchen these days.

These people governing our country are totally out of touch with the ordinary working class person ....that makes up the majority of the population!

Originally Posted by bialetti

I blame the employers, they should be paying people a living wage instead of minimum wage and relying on the tax payer to top up people's rents. THEY are the fucking parasites, not benefit claimants.

Not all employers but its really all down to the big multi-nationals, they're the wage setters, the policy makers, the legislation makers, the same families own the multinationals, banks and energy companies. Let's not forget the biggest contributor the alcohol companies.

How much is a bottle of Rothschilds wine?

[oonalu]

Originally Posted by bialetti

I blame the employers, they should be paying people a living wage instead of minimum wage and relying on the tax payer to top up people's rents. THEY are the fucking parasites, not benefit claimants.

Totally agree this has been going on since the seventies, the minimum wage is a joke and if they the PTB think it is ok to live on why are'nt they on it ?
As for the housing they could open up Lizzies palaces and those grace and favour places, the Politicians could let their second homes out and the rooms in their large houses , we know where they are when they had them published when they got caught fiddling the expenses, all that would be charged to the young kids would be a peppercorn rent, also Charlie i wanna be king is converting some big mansion and is having homes built nearby bit like that Poundsbury place, so there is more accomodation for the young kids who cant live at home and are having to live on a pittance

[bialetti]

Originally Posted by truthseeker1980

Not all employers but its really all down to the big multi-nationals, they're the wage setters, the policy makers, the legislation makers, the same families own the multinationals, banks and energy companies. Let's not forget the biggest contributor the alcohol companies.

How much is a bottle of Rothschilds wine?

True.

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[bialetti]

Originally Posted by oonalu

Totally agree this has been going on since the seventies, the minimum wage is a joke and if they the PTB think it is ok to live on why are'nt they on it ?

Good question!

[beldazar]

Originally Posted by bialetti

I blame the employers, they should be paying people a living wage instead of minimum wage and relying on the tax payer to top up people's rents. THEY are the fucking parasites, not benefit claimants.

It depends who employs you though. business rates are crippling people.
it's all been set up so we blame each other.
Take extortionate rent.. Greedy landlords are blamed but a lot of high rent is due to high mortgage.

[skabbymuff]

To cut a most angry and upsetting rant very very short -

They have got some real bollocks to be palming off as the biggest theives - the poorest and most vulnerable in society as the 'scroungers' and 'parasites'.

It is off the sweat, blood and toil of the poor BILLIONS around the globe which props up these inhumane parasites, this fucking tiny minorty, NOT the other way around! Dirty bastards.

[humanspirit]

Originally Posted by skabbymuff

To cut a most angry and upsetting rant very very short -

They have got some real bollocks to be palming off as the biggest theives - the poorest and most vulnerable in society as the 'scroungers' and 'parasites'.

It is off the sweat, blood and toil of the poor BILLIONS around the globe which props up these inhumane parasites, this fucking tiny minorty, NOT the other way around! Dirty bastards.

Nicely put skabbymuff.

Can't understand why people don't want true democracy where every citizen has a vote on what goes on.most laws created now are for big business etc.wouldn't people have liked to vote on whether to go to war with Iraq,Libya etc.Just seems a bit odd that privileged and the corruptible few are telling the masses what to do?

[reptileslayer]

Originally Posted by beldazar

I thought about this yesterday.
As we know there are usual several reasons for them doing one particular thing, Well this would make the population count drop because it will be harder to have a baby while you are living with your parents!

Or living destitute in the streets Beldazar, which many people will be, it will be like a present day victorian society again. When it gets to this stage the young people need to get together
and take it out on the people who have caused it. Not other poor and weak people.

[andrewm]

Originally Posted by bialetti

i blame the employers, they should be paying people a living wage instead of minimum wage and relying on the tax payer to top up people's rents. They are the fucking parasites, not benefit claimants.

+1

[decim]

Rightly put bialetti.

Who is Thieving from whom?

Published: 20 Apr 2011

THE new boss of TESCO claims the supermarket giant has to do BETTER - despite record profits of over £110 a second.

He plans to open 208 new shops in the UK alone - adding 2.5million square feet of sales space by this time next year.

Tesco's clothing and electricals will be overhauled, thousands more products will go online, and there will be more "innovative" food launches.

The comments came despite record annual group profits of £3.5BILLION - up 11 per cent.

http://143.252.148.202/sol/homepage/...-a-second.html

Tesco workers get £5.80 an hour up to age 18 then £7.59 an hour.

Between £232 before deductions per week to £303 a week before deductions based on a 40 hour week. Then having to claim tax credits & housing benefit after working all f#cking week...

Originally Posted by bialetti

I blame the employers, they should be paying people a living wage instead of minimum wage and relying on the tax payer to top up people's rents. THEY are the fucking parasites, not benefit claimants.

[dawnuk]

Originally Posted by decim

Rightly put bialetti.

Who is Thieving from whom?

Published: 20 Apr 2011

THE new boss of TESCO claims the supermarket giant has to do BETTER - despite record profits of over £110 a second.

He plans to open 208 new shops in the UK alone - adding 2.5million square feet of sales space by this time next year.

Tesco's clothing and electricals will be overhauled, thousands more products will go online, and there will be more "innovative" food launches.

The comments came despite record annual group profits of £3.5BILLION - up 11 per cent.

http://143.252.148.202/sol/homepage/...-a-second.html

Tesco workers get £5.80 an hour up to age 18 then £7.59 an hour.

Between £232 before deductions per week to £303 a week before deductions based on a 40 hour week. Then having to claim tax credits & housing benefit after working all f#cking week...

spending tax payers monies topping up peoples income cost they cant afford to live(on the minimum wage)......

talk about tptb bending us all over for a good a*** F*****ing!

[dawnuk]

and iirc isnt there some government monies given to such people as the supermarkets for opening new stores? im sure i read sommat.... subsidies or sommat....so more tax payers monies...going .....

[mmac900]

Originally Posted by beldazar

It depends who employs you though. business rates are crippling people.
it's all been set up so we blame each other.
Take extortionate rent.. Greedy landlords are blamed but a lot of high rent is due to high mortgage.

Thats not true at all. In most cases, it costs the same or even less to pay your mortgage then rent. And even if they have to throw in a bit themselves, the renters are still paying off their mortgage for the most part, oh the poor landlords, how will they cope

[wonderfullife]

Over 80% of Daily Mail readers have slammed Cameron’s brutal plans to slash Housing Benefit for those under 25 reveals a poll on the paper’s website.

In a shocking blow to Cameron’s planned welfare reforms, it appears that the squeezed middle classes and now turning on the vicious benefit slashing agenda. It is quite likely that many Daily Mail readers were horrified at the thought of having to accommodate their adult children should they be unable to find well paying jobs when they leave university.

Whilst the poorly thought through plans have been met with a mixture of ridicule and contempt elsewhere, Cameron might have thought the Tory press would stand behind him. And (with the exception of The Sun) by and large they did. The Sun knows that many of their readers will be in low paid work, or pensioners, and likely to be claiming Housing Benefits themselves. It appears that the The Mail are not quite so in touch with their readership.

Housing Benefit is fundamental to the Welfare State. Paid to those in and out of work alike, as well as parents, pensioners, sick and disabled people, it ensures, in most cases, that people have somewhere to lay their heads at night. Cameron has assumed that people won’t understand that Housing Benefit is a crude sticking plaster for an out of control private rental sector. It’s unlikely Cameron has ever even had a conversation that wasn’t stage managed with someone claiming Housing Benefit.

This is in stark contrast to the baby boomer Daily Mail generation, many of whom have working class parents, who may even now be claiming benefits towards their housing costs. They are the generation that got lucky and in many cases benefited from soaring house prices. They can see that their children are unlikely to be quite so lucky.

Slowly but surely the scrounger stories are being replaced by tales of homelessness, food banks and cancer patients being stripped of benefits. Perhaps people are finally waking up to the stark reality, which is that the Welfare State is good value for all but the very rich and it won’t just be the poor who suffer should it be dismantled.

It’s not just Daily Mail readers who have rejected the ludicrous proposals. The Daily Telegraph ran a similar poll the day before Cameron’s speech asking the same question. Once again Cameron’s plans were roundly rejected.



So desperate were The Telegraph to prop up Cameron’s welfare onslaught that they ran the same poll the next day – changing the wording slightly in the hope of a more favourable result for the Tory Party.



It didn’t quite work out the way they hoped, with even more of their readership rejecting the plans – around 70%.

Unlike the Tory Party cabinet, most people aren’t multi-millionaires. Even those on the political right seem to be waking up to the Bullingdon Boy’s onslaught. Unlike Thatcher, with her council house give away, Cameron’s Tories have never had anything to offer the working class. These polls reveal that even those in leafy suburbia are turning their back on the ex-etonian and his chinless chums.

One of the highest rated comments on the Daily Mail’s coverage of Cameron’s speech reveals what most decent hard working people think of this toff Government and their banker cronies:

“Demonising the poor to deflect attention from the scum that put our country in this financial disaster. Why aren’t these City Of London/Wall Street criminals in jail, yet?”

A statement that more and more people will agree with as the public school Oxbridge elite cause yet more havoc in the lives of all those who weren’t born with a silver spoon jammed down their throats.
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