17-06-2012, 12:16 AM
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FMOTL Validity Not the Point?
Spending such a large amount of one's time in order to rubbish anything seems a bit strange. Has FMOTL done something to personally violate them? Do some people see themselves as the personal saviours of anyone wishing to investigate the merits or otherwise of this 'movement'? |
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17-06-2012, 12:33 AM
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Its a scam and one that is preying on many folks out there in these very hard economic times. Practicing what they preach (the FMOTL gurus) will get you arrested or worse. |
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17-06-2012, 12:34 AM
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It really isn't all that time-consuming to make a few posts on the Internet.
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17-06-2012, 12:47 AM
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17-06-2012, 12:49 AM
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17-06-2012, 02:07 AM
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Making A Point Via Example Of Sovereign Movements Failing Individual Sovereignty, Harmful What Some Share "no title" |
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17-06-2012, 02:17 AM
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I think (so far) you are hitting on a fundamental truth. EDIT: Okay, I am bit lost. I have listened o the first one (didnt read the text because I was working in a separate window...Just got the audio) On the second one though, I heard you say to basically not try to change anything- Which I do not really understand. I THINK I am on board with most of what you are getting at but... Last edited by bluegrazz; 17-06-2012 at 02:49 AM. |
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17-06-2012, 03:44 AM
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In the said example, "your home" would be the establishment overall, which would include, the monetary system, the governing bodies, the Charter of Rights or Constitutions, laws and corporate policy and so forth. In the said example, "I" would be the currently accepted freedom movements, which would include those within them. When I say do not change anything, I was referring to not changing that which does not belong to the "general" population; as the establishments do not belong to them. This is not to state or imply that the "general" population cannot and should not make changes for a better life for all - now and tomorrow... forever. Using an example of how one may claim their freedom; you stated that you chose to only listen to the audio of the second video - this was as simple as you making a choice and doing it. In fact, if you wanted to, you could have not watched it at all - you could have simply "walked away" from it and be done with it. I rhetorically ask you, what did you need to learn (first) before simply making your choice to only listen to the audio!? Now (keeping with both examples), I could find out where you live and impose on you - forcing you and your family to watch the video. I am sure this would not be that easy for me to do. This would not be easy for me to do because you would be willing to stand your ground by removing me from your property (if I was lucky, that is all it would be). In closing, if people wish to be free from the corruption that is, then simply walk away from it (give notice of this to "them") and most of all, be prepared to enforce your position of freedom. |
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17-06-2012, 04:01 AM
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I think I see.
So you basically feel like Andre (if you are familiar with him) in that the only answer is to essentially walk away from the system and go live in the Jungles. Its an interesting argument which I cannot deny has truth to it. I advocate change from the bottom on a local scale in hopes of making my own life more "free" (to my definition of "free") but I agree that overall "real and lasting" change will not come. I cannot change the World or the System and its a waste of time trying. But I can enact change to improve my own life and the lives of the ones I love. |
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17-06-2012, 04:40 AM
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What Does Claiming Personal Freedom Really Mean Any concept that one must separate themselves from the population is merely a way to "frighten"/discourage people away from actually doing something - such as claiming their freedom. Besides, there are those who have done the extreme by leaving the population and those who control civilization had sought them and destroyed them. There is no need for anyone to abandon the "benefits" of being part of the human collective; simply because those who control civilization have the monopoly of civilizations lifeline (currency, a tool of control) does not entitle them to rule. During any transitional stage, there is a time when a new equilibrium must be established. During the said time, an "overlap" is enviable, meaning using the said lifeline; as there is no alternative given (at this time) - that is unless, the numbers of those who do not wish to be a part of the system increases significantly. History has shown that it only takes (roughly) three percent of a population to make change. You are correct by saying "you" (or anyone) cannot change the "System" - these currently accepted freedom movements, by chance or design, do not accept this fact. As you said, it is a waste of time and if or when one (or a group) attempts to, they are at fault - being the aggressor. In part, this is why the system has "right" on their side and simply react accordingly when others impose on them. Remember, modern enslavement is by consent, thus how can anyone be "angered" and impose on "them". Is it not better for those who wish to be free to have "right" on their side - for example, to simply walk away!? Is this not why, when we observe such events as Ruby Ridge we recognize the wrongs that were imposed by those who control civilization and their minions!? Is this not why, when we observe the currently accepted freedom movements "doing what they do" we recognize their wrong!? |
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17-06-2012, 04:59 AM
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Social conditioning has it so, that everyone is correct and such, which is false empowerment. There is no "my definition of free" as there is not more then one fact/truth. Rather then I continuing to speak on this, I will offer a video (not mine) to address this - from 2:05 minutes to 3:05 minutes. Derren Brown Interview (4/6) - Richard Dawkins The inherent danger when one states they will make it a better life for themselves and the ones they love, is that this includes remaining within the system (not doing anything) if they feel it is in their best interest and for the ones they love. |
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17-06-2012, 01:34 PM
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Whos Andre? (I presume its him speaking in the first vid)
The videos are a little strange, why are you just sitting there staring into the monitor, I felt myself reaching for a tinfoil hat at one point to protect myself. 
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17-06-2012, 01:41 PM
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Just a thought. Last edited by rumpelstilzchen; 17-06-2012 at 01:44 PM. |
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17-06-2012, 05:30 PM
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Poor misguided folks like my friend, like Lance Thatcher, Keith “call me Kathy” Thompson and Brian Alexander are sad testament to the freeman way Quote:
I am fully in favor of less government in many areas of society and, in what some might mistake for ambivalence, more government in other areas. Some ideologists might not endorse this sort of mixed approach, but the problem with freemanism is that it essentially makes all government, limited or expansive impossible. Freemen opine that society would be better off with government by the consent of each individual, yet they deny the reality that this arrangement has been, in large part, the ruination of the several “freeman villages" attempted in the past. Society’s dysfunction, unfairness and inequities can’t be solved by freemanism. Freemanism would only be one more problem. I echo bluegrass and say for my part that if one can't stomach human society (in the larger sense) then one should leave it. If the parking meters, the zoning laws and the spitting on the sidewalk codes are too much for you that’s fine . . . build a cabin in the wilderness. Society and the meter maid won’t miss you and won’t really mind if you come into town for supplies, emergencies or a case of bourbon. It’s a sad irony on that too many nations have failed to protect and preserve wilderness areas which could be used as the safety valve for use by 21st century backwoodsmen, who like Huck Finn, the need to "light out for the territory". Absent this safety valve government feel forced to nag at men and women who would just as soon be shed of them anyway. Last edited by arayder; 17-06-2012 at 05:55 PM. |
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17-06-2012, 07:04 PM
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It's the sheer hypocrisy that I cant accept, they wish to disassociate from society yet are willing to accept its benefits, its just a pick and mix selfish mentality of a 5 year old.
If you want to leave society and live off your own land then there are places you can go, granted you may have to buy somewhere and that generally stops the potential freeman wannabe. (they are skint and are looking for a free ride as opposed to freedom) Last edited by penfold9; 17-06-2012 at 07:04 PM. |
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17-06-2012, 07:20 PM
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There is no where to go in this world (anymore) and those who have attempted to step outside of the human collective, known as the population, have met their demise -at the hands of those who would not release them. Why should one have to leave the human collective and give up the benefits of, simply because many within the masses have accepted how things are - without being given choice or without being able to make an informed decision. I say, are not the said words that of arrogance and / or ignorance, to say one should leave if!? Is not this way of thought, simply acceptance of how things are - a simple solution until what is being imposed falls on the one speaking these words!? There are those who point the finger and say, "what have they contributed, they should leave if..." - while doing nothing, based on their words, to make the world a "better place". Yet, these are the very same who would gladly reap the benefits of a "better world" - based on the efforts of those who have sacrificed much to make the world "better". I wish you well. |
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17-06-2012, 07:59 PM
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If you were a member of a Chess club and wanted to ignore the fact that a Bishop can only move diagonally and you kept trying to move it like you would a Rook would the other Chess club members allow it, no you would be asked to play by the rules or leave. |
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17-06-2012, 08:14 PM
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I dont recall Martin Luther King or Ghandi moaning about their speeding tickets or trying to discharge his mortgage by filing frivolous documents. Freeman on the land has nothing to do with seeking freedom, its about being irresponsible and trying to get a free ride on the backs of others. |
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17-06-2012, 08:48 PM
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17-06-2012, 08:49 PM
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i noticed you didn't add the 'anti-fmotl collective' to your list of heros (King, Ghandi) bravely risking their computer keyboards to reintegrate free people back into unlawful slave status |
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