Are Evangelical Christians Warmongers?

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

No, actually I didn't know that. hmmm interest.thing.
More info?

This is from one of the first conspiracy theory websites I have ever read, (and probably one of the oldest on the net if I do dare lay that claim.)



If only I had known then what I know now, to see that the whole "end of time" didn't prove there is a god, but rather that there are people with an agenda.
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/date_set.html

Unfortunately much of the info i am pulling is coming from references i read while still a christian...they still have valuable insight

http://historicist.info/untermeyer/index.htm


From Main Page of a HISTORICIST view...exposing the Ratpure cult of evangelical christianity

http://historicist.info/related_subj...urestudies.htm

[himitsunomiko]

Originally Posted by ohme

It's clear to me it is up to us to sort this, not God.

There you go, another reason they want people to think god is going to come back and play janitor, because they don't want people to feel like it's up to them, and thus they won't do anything but just stock up on food and pray. That leaves them free to enact their plans with no opposition.

[himitsunomiko]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

Unfortunately much of the info i am pulling is coming from references i read while still a christian...they still have valuable insight

http://historicist.info/untermeyer/index.htm


From Main Page of a HISTORICIST view...exposing the Ratpure cult of evangelical christianity

http://historicist.info/related_subj...urestudies.htm

I don't even remember the rapture being a "thing" until the Left Behind series came out, honestly. Thanks for the links, I am sure they will be good reference for later.

This is another good resource:

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/index.html

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

I don't even remember the rapture being a "thing" until the Left Behind series came out, honestly. Thanks for the links, I am sure they will be good reference for later.

This is another good resource:

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/index.html

Oh yeah it was huge!

I went to a baptist bible camp a s a kid and they were teaching it to the 7 year olds scaring the piss out of us..

sorry about that last link

that was about Samuel Untermeyer's involvement

the story of scofield is
http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/scofield1.html


An abbreviated form is on Sweet liberty
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm

I usually don't like these sources because Sweet liberty tends to be over the top..and the christian sources, while sincere, tend to distort the truth for their own benefit LIKE YOU WERE SAYING..THE CONSPIRACY THEORIST OFTEN ARE IN ON IT..(some unknowingly)

"How conspiracy theorists are unknowing mouth pieces for the Evangelical Zionist Christian Right"

Thank you for the link

[himitsunomiko]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

Oh yeah it was huge!

I went to a baptist bible camp a s a kid and they were teaching it to the 7 year olds scaring the piss out of us..

That should be child abuse, mental abuse to be specific.
Anyways, a little off topic, my friend does her community service at a church. Last week they had her stuffing bags with chocolates for the vacation bible school kids. She was wondering how that does any great service to the community as opposed to spending the chocolate money on food for poor people or cleaning up the streets ect. There really is a thin line between church and state, and they are trying to erase that line completely. That is why they were crying about impending Sharia Law, to divert people from their own desires to make OT Bible law...

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm

See, I don't like when people start calling the "elite" as "kabbalahist jews" or whatever, because I really don't think they are into that kind of thing, seriously think it's just got to do with money and their own desire to be in power.

"How conspiracy theorists are unknowing mouth pieces for the Evangelical Zionist Christian Right"
Thank you for the link

Wait, I didn't leave a link specifically for that. You mean a link between the religious and conspiracy theories?

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

That should be child abuse, mental abuse to be specific.
Anyways, a little off topic, my friend does her community service at a church. Last week they had her stuffing bags with chocolates for the vacation bible school kids. She was wondering how that does any great service to the community as opposed to spending the chocolate money on food for poor people or cleaning up the streets ect. There really is a thin line between church and state, and they are trying to erase that line completely. That is why they were crying about impending Sharia Law, to divert people from their own desires to make OT Bible law...

See, I don't like when people start calling the "elite" as "kabbalahist jews" or whatever, because I really don't think they are into that kind of thing, seriously think it's just got to do with money and their own desire to be in power.

Wait, I didn't leave a link specifically for that. You mean a link between the religious and conspiracy theories?

I think that they USE kabbalist jews and christian zionists...

The thanks for the link was unrelated..i was just thanking you for it.

[himitsunomiko]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

I think that they USE kabbalist jews and christian zionists...

The thanks for the link was unrelated..i was just thanking you for it.

Oh okay, sorry, didn't want to get confused.

Check this out:
The Yearly Cost of Religious Tax Exemptions: $71,000,000,000
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...s-71000000000/

Our tax money helps fund the war and fear mongering An awful lot of it, at that!

[logos880]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

No, actually I didn't know that. hmmm interest.thing.
More info?

This is from one of the first conspiracy theory websites I have ever read, (and probably one of the oldest on the net if I do dare lay that claim.)

If only I had known then what I know now, to see that the whole "end of time" didn't prove there is a god, but rather that there are people with an agenda.
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/date_set.html

and you believe that these people with an agenda, that operate in secret, are christians?

[logos880]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

I skimmed Sutton's work back when i was an evangelical fundamentalist christian..if i recall correctly he is insane enough to believe that the US government was founded with noble intentions...it was not.

Having read the federalist papers...and it took a long time to dgest them, it becomes apparent that the founding fathers wanted a nation that practiced christianity to be willing dupes for the world powr they were ushering in...the federalist papers are clever well posed arguments to a wary population as to why they should give up their real freedom to be ruled by representatives...
instead of freedom they got a 'constitution' whereby the federal whore government doles out "liberties" to the vassals.
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The deception was deliberate and done with malfeasance

Even though Christians have become willing dupes of these power brokers, the witches and pagans these Christians revile as worshiping SATAN.. have not.

The evangelical US is in fact ushering in the one world global economy and government..

so because the guy doesn't believe the forefathers were inherently evil, then you discard the rest of his work? most of his work was concerning the last 100 or so years.

you act like christians are the only group supporting the actions of the US government. do you support gay marriage? if so, you are supporting part of the government's agenda. do you support the war on drugs? if so, you are supporting part of the government's agenda. do you support barack obama or mit romney? if so, you support part of the government's agenda.

do you honestly think that christians, the public, the masses, are your enemy?

Originally Posted by antony sutton

"Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them.

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

Oh okay, sorry, didn't want to get confused.

Check this out:
The Yearly Cost of Religious Tax Exemptions: $71,000,000,000
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...s-71000000000/

Our tax money helps fund the war and fear mongering An awful lot of it, at that!

Hell yeah its big business.
OTOH Bet $71 billion wouldn't even keep the RCC flush for a month.

Sorry my posts are scattered my allergies are kinda kickin my a$$, makes it hard to concentrate.

About your friend doing community service..i am not surprised
The problem is not just church and state...it is big business wedded to religion taking over the state.
IT IS AMERICAN TALIBAN

You know that PRISON is also Big Business?
Some of these corporations get forced labor for pennies on the dollar..
Which is precisely what they are trying to do to the rest of the country.
The jobs ARE coming back to america , bt now US workers are paid 1/3 the amount the same job used to pay

The whole PROTESTANT WORK ETHIC is part of the fabric of the culture which has been used againstUS..people feel nervous unless they are busybusybusy, they have been trained by the system to work hard until they drop.

It is a red badge of courage to WORK HARD. It is almost a status symbol
If you have free time, you must not be important enough to work your ass off.


BIG BIG FOUNDATIONS PAY HUGE BUCKS to put the spin that working like a SLAVE IS GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH...AND YOU WILL LIVE TO 100.
MANY OF THESE ARE ENORMOUS CHRISTIAN FOUNDATIONS LIKE THE TEMPLETON FOUNDATION


http://www.templeton.org/

I learnt about them through Ehrenrich's book called BRIGHT SIDED
(She is brilliant BTW , and this in particular was an eye opener)
http://books.google.com/books?id=qR3...nreich&f=false

The other night i was listening to coast to coast, they had some dingbat on talking about how working hard helped you live longer...
He Wrote THE LONGEVITY PROJECT
http://www.howardsfriedman.com/longevityproject/


Basically my hubby thinks are PREPARING US FOR THE DISSOLUTION OF SOCIAL SECURITY....they already spent all the money on their endless wars.

Anyway this fellow that did that study has ties to the IMF and Worldbank..and Templeton fund

Templeton fund sponsored a new trend in psychiatry called Positive Psychology.

Positive Psychology has permeated every aspect of our culture, especially corporate culture, and it is leaving a slew of suicide victims in its wake.
Companies are downsized but those laid off are to blame if they can't get another job because "their thinking and your attitude are bad"
and by "laws of mind" you get out what you put in

IT IS a type of mental abuse...and it is Christian Foundation backed..
(certainly bears resemblance to xtianity in that story that god created mankind knowing they would sin, and chooses who he will save and damn, but the person is still held responsible despite this)


sorry for rambling on and on..I am probably only seeing the tip of the iceberg, it is making me PO'd

[cwl3]

People replace left vs right with Christians vs non-Christians and they somehow think they have woken up.

The illuminati have got us snookered for sure.

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by logos880

so because the guy doesn't believe the forefathers were inherently evil, then you discard the rest of his work? most of his work was concerning the last 100 or so years.

you act like christians are the only group supporting the actions of the US government. do you support gay marriage? if so, you are supporting part of the government's agenda. do you support the war on drugs? if so, you are supporting part of the government's agenda. do you support barack obama or mit romney? if so, you support part of the government's agenda.

do you honestly think that christians, the public, the masses, are your enemy?

Why do you assume i discard all his work?


I do not support "gay marriage" but then i do not support heterosexual marriage either.
I don't support the "war on drugs"
I do not support the government ((FULL STOP))...


Anyone who would impose their point of view on me BY FORCE, , IS the enemy

[logos880]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

Why do you assume i discard all his work?


I do not support "gay marriage" but then i do not support heterosexual marriage either.
I don't support the "war on drugs"
I do not support the government ((FULL STOP))...


Anyone who would impose their point of view on me BY FORCE, , IS the enemy

you don't understand the way the elite work, perhaps you should read some of icke's work on the subject:

Originally Posted by icke

' "An interpretive method, originally used to relate specific entities or events to the absolute idea, in which an assertable proposition (thesis) is necessarily opposed by its apparent contradiction (antithesis), and both reconciled on a higher level of truth by a third proposition (synthesis). Also called Hegelian triad."

Even more simply put, it is the process of creating a problem (thesis) to which there will be a reaction and demands for a solution (antithesis) leading to a solution (synthesis). This has been used repeatedly by our Zionist masters to control the minds of the American people and lead them towards solutions that they would not, under other circumstances, accept.

The most common use of this process has been by Zionist Neo-Conservative warmongers in the "false flag" operations that have been carried out to a political end, usually war against another country, or the so-called Cold War, or as in the "war on terror," against "radical Islam".'

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/pr...ag-operations-

it's the masses versus the elite.

[cramhankie]

Originally Posted by ohme

I think you are off your head if you believe things like this.

2 Peter 3:3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires.

You believe exactly what the warmongering evangelicals believe. And durther on you also show that , even though you deny it, you are about controlling the beliefs of others.

I believe much of what the war-mongering evangelicals believe, and disagree on so many points that guess what I often hear from them?

Originally Posted by ohme

I think you are off your head if you believe things like this.

And often times I hear much worse than that, things like "evil anti-semite".

it's waffle because it is being shown , but obviously slightly further than your nose, that this end times rubbish ties in with warmongering.

Indeed, as all of human history that precedes it ties in with warmongering. But who is doing the warmongering? Not me. Here is what Christians are supposed to be doing:

Matthew 25:31-46 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. ”

No, they are doing it for God, and to speed up his return. Some even think they are the instruments of prophecy fulfillment.

They are not doing it for God, the Zionist warmongering Evangelicals only think they are doing it for God, they are blinded in their sin, they refuse to read what is clearly stated in their Bibles.

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

this is not what i am reading. This is all about Revelation and establishing Jesus as the world face when it comes to "salvation". They are battling the forces of evil after all, are they not?

Matthew 5:38-40 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Matthew 26:47-54 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.

Jesus replied, “Do what you came for, friend.”

Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

Ephesians 6:10-17 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Yes, what do you know about the reestablishment of the Noahide laws in America? They are the instrument for any planned global culling, and maybe they wanna fool the christian fanatics that they are really the chosen few, and then have a nice small population of robots to rule with an iron rod.

Team Zionist Globalist will end up submitting to Team Everybody Else Globalist when the Antichrist comes. It's possible that Team Zionist Globalist could attempt to enforce Noahide laws in the West, but I doubt it. As I presently see it that is just low-level Talmudist fantasy.

This is just deflection. The real evil is done buy evangelicals in their warmongering state, the state of an immature spirit. It is being kept immature by these "prophecies". If you beleive the re-emergence of Israel is a sign, then there is only one generation left before God is meant to return. That places someone like Bush at the heart of prophecy, as far as he is concerned. His decisions were based on the filfilment of those prophecies. He stands with similar beliefs to you. He's a born again.

Mark 13:30-31 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

That statement can be interpreted in many ways, though there can be only one correct meaning. The Zionist Evangelicals have used it to mean that the generation that saw the creation of Israel would not pass away before all the prophecies are fulfilled. That is merely their interpretation.

George W. Bush is not born again.

Matthew 7:15-20 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

He was a central player in the 9/11 operation, and he is a warlord who excused torture against the commands of Jesus, among other things. No, GWB is a deceiver.

Title: IS GEORGE W. BUSH GENUINELY BORN AGAIN?

Subtitle: Since George W. Bush has made a concentrated effort to convince Christians he is truly born again, we have to examine all the facts. We have severe doubts, plus we have been warned by Jesus Christ that THE Hallmark Characteristic sign of the End of the Age is unparalleled deception.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1398.cfm

I think you don't know anything of any real substance regarding yin/yang and the hexagram. Just a deflection and an excuse.

I disagree.

yeah yeah, whilst God patiently waits for us to grow up. This is all mind fuck stuff mate. God is here and now...and humans are always busy making plans for "Him" in the future.

God certainly is here now, he lives inside me.

But sadly, he does not live inside you.

I pray that one day you will allow him to.

[logos880]

Originally Posted by cwl3

People replace left vs right with Christians vs non-Christians and they somehow think they have woken up.

The illuminati have got us snookered for sure.

I know, it's so obvious. that's why you hear the "christian or religious right" being referred to so often by the "liberal non-religious left", and vice versa. this is just another manifestation of the right vs left paradigm.

[cramhankie]

Originally Posted by ohme

The bible is a wonderful mesh of possiblities for any power mad dictator to use against the masses. It can mean so many things, and justify so many. George Bush simply needs to be a bible fanatic in power, which he is and was. He is as busy cntrolling the beleifs of others as you wish to be. I'm not trying to insult you here btw.

well then Cram, you are no different to these warmongers , see? when you see what they are affected by, you see yourself. These millions that believe as you do, vote for their leader to go out there and establish God's kingdom. The pied piper has the power to get you to follow, because you all resonate to the same end time palava.

I preach against all their evil and expose them, and yet I am no different?

That's your choice to believe that, but you are wrong.

Here is how you started this thread:

I'm not posting this to start "trouble" This guy has said it, bless him! This is what many of us have been seeing and saying. Here is a true Christian imo:

Then you posted an article I said I agreed with, which would mean...you think I am a true Christian, an anti-warmongering Christian.

But then, after I express the Truth to you, you turn around and tell me that I am no different from the warmongers, after I just preached against them.

That doesn't make much sense.

Unless of course, you see the truth of the matter which is that the purpose of this thread was not to praise the anti-warmongering Christian, but to try to bait Christians into opposing the anti-warmongering Christian, for the purpose of condemning Christianity.

But it didn't work out that way did it?

I believed it all once. i grew up.

No, you went to the Dark Side.

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by logos880

you don't understand the way the elite work, perhaps you should read some of icke's work on the subject:



http://www.davidicke.com/articles/pr...ag-operations-

it's the masses versus the elite.

I have icke's books...are you suggesting that i have to align myself with everything he says?

Did you happen to understand that if you try to liberate the masses, or try to educate them they will turn on you and force you to drink hemlock like socrates or nail you to the cross like they did Jesus?

Do you understand the way the game works?

Humanity has a very nasty track record of KILLING its most enlightened members, any luminary scientist or philosopher can bear testimony to that.
How many great thoughts and inventions have been thought up by the masses?
ZERO

IF you try to save the masses they will drag you down with them.

some of us are seeing civilization itself as THE Problem

[logos880]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

I have icke's books...are you suggesting that i have to align myself with everything he says?

Did you happen to understand that if you try to liberate the masses, or try to educate them they will turn on you and force you to drink hemlock like socrates or nail you to the cross like they did Jesus?

Do you understand the way the game works?

Humanity has a very nasty track record of KILLING its most enlightened members, any luminary scientist or philosopher can bear testimony to that.
How many great thoughts and inventions have been thought up by the masses?
ZERO

IF you try to save the masses they will drag you down with them.

some of us are seeing civilization itself as THE Problem

cool, you're on team-elite, at least you admit it. what are you doing at a place like this that is against the elite?

[cramhankie]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

some of us are seeing civilization itself as THE Problem

Dances with bunnies?

Or dreams of dancing with Prince Charles?

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation." -- Prince Chucky

Prince Charles Breakdancing - YouTube

Prince Charles Breakdancing - YouTube

[logos880]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

some of us are seeing civilization itself as THE Problem

this raises an interesting question, what is your final solution for civilization?