AE911 Truth Picked Over

[wispy]

Gregory Urich writes and an open letter to AE911 Truth and lists many reasons why he thinks they are wrong about much of what they cite as being evidence of CD.

http://www.smoking-bun.com/?tag=gregory-urich

https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=b...number=1&w=800

I would add that the evidence for thermite is a big fail as well which I think Urich generously gives them the benefit of the doubt on.

[rosie789]

I think if some bright sparks realised that demolitions were essentially artificially induced collapses then the entire physics section of the truth movement might fall apart. The problem is no one really likes to observe in a detached sort of way.

[dontdrinkurmilk]

Originally Posted by wispy

Gregory Urich writes and an open letter to AE911 Truth and lists many reasons why he thinks they are wrong about much of what they cite as being evidence of CD.

http://www.smoking-bun.com/?tag=gregory-urich

https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=b...number=1&w=800

I would add that the evidence for thermite is a big fail as well which I think Urich generously gives them the benefit of the doubt on.

Good old Gage.

[wispy]

Originally Posted by rosie789

I think if some bright sparks realised that demolitions were essentially artificially induced collapses then the entire physics section of the truth movement might fall apart. The problem is no one really likes to observe in a detached sort of way.

I tend to agree. I can't help wondering that if some 'truthers' got a better grasp of the technical details and physics behind this from unbiased sources, or even some courses, then a lot of the 'truther' theories will stop dead in their tracks for those who aren't full dyed in the wool and to the bitter end truthers.

I'm no physics expert, but a lot of the 'against the laws of physics' arguments tend to be parrotted repetitions or from 'the common sense as seen with my own eyes' argument which get repeated ad infinitum.

[dontdrinkurmilk]

Originally Posted by wispy

I tend to agree. I can't help wondering that if some 'truthers' got a better grasp of the technical details and physics behind this from unbiased sources, or even some courses, then a lot of the 'truther' theories will stop dead in their tracks for those who aren't full dyed in the wool and to the bitter end truthers.

I'm no physics expert, but a lot of the 'against the laws of physics' arguments tend to be parrotted repetitions or from 'the common sense as seen with my own eyes' argument which get repeated ad infinitum.

Most of the time I here that, its followed by either ......(nothing)

Or a youtube video with no merit.

[wispy]

Originally Posted by dontdrinkurmilk

Most of the time I here that, its followed by either ......(nothing)

Or a youtube video with no merit.

Yes, and the laws of physics mentioned is usually just Newton's but ignoring the others involved.

And everyone's an expert or indefatigable seeker of truth on Youtube, even non experts and seekers of conspiracy theories.

[the_magician]

Thanks for posting. I'm not up on physics so can't comment on those aspects.

There is still the question of all (or most) of the rubble being shipped off to China before a proper investigation could take place, contravening FEMA guidelines. I did not see any mention of this in the open letter.

[wake_up_bomb]

Still awaiting any relevant response to any of these threads (plus numerous others that I have started):

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209766

Over Four Hundred Professors Question 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209768

41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209765

Criticism of NIST by Civil Engineer Jonathan Cole

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209760

Barbara Olson Phonecalls Fake

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209763

USAF Accident Investigation President Questions OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208942

NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209444

National Archive Keeps Bulk of 9/11 Report Sealed

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208940

Eight US State Dept Veterans Challenge 9/11 OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208941

National Academy of Sciences Member Questions OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208668

Pilots Rubbish Official Story Regarding NORAD

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=207837

German Minister Andreas von Buelow Rubbishes OCT

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=207840

Top Government Insider: 9/11 a False Flag

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208850

German Air-Traffic Controller Rubbishes OT

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209597

CIA Asset Susan Lindauer Can Now Speak 10 years

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209443

Scientists Form 9/11 Consensus Panel - Question OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209011

Professor Niels Harrit Rubbishes Official Theory

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208669

Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 Inside Job

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208667

Psychologists Discuss 9/11 Cognitive Dissonance

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209077

Professor David Ray Griffin on 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209071

Marine Fighter Pilot Rubbishes Official 9/11 Story

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209073

Japanese Senator Questions Official 9/11 Story

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208939

Robert Fisk: I Question the Truth About 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208671

Pilots Conclude OS Regarding NORAD is Junk

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208666

Resistance to 9/11 Truth - Psychiatrist Speaks Out

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210163

Dr Sabrosky Dir of US Army War College Doubts OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209765

Criticism of NIST by Civil Engineer Jonathan Cole

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=206114

NIST WTC7 by Underwriters Laboratories' Kevin Ryan

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209760

Barbara Olson Phonecalls Fake

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209768

Terrorism + Ex-Intelligence Agency Question OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209228

WTC7 NIST Concedes Freefall Speed

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209444

National Archive Keeps Bulk of 9/11 Report Sealed

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208454

Extremely High Temps During the WTC Destruction

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209229

WTC7 - Sound Evidence for Explosions

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209686

Demolishing Psychological Barriers to 9/11 Truth

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209597

CIA Asset Susan Lindauer Can Now Speak 10 years after 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210529

Senator Mike Gravel Rejects 9/11 Commission

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210528

Jeff Farrer Physics PhD on 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210527

Mark Vorobej Professor of Philosophy on 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=207841

911 Acceleration Study Proves Explosive Demolition

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=206114

NIST WTC7 by Underwriters Laboratories' Kevin Ryan

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208453

9/11 and Probability Theory

[macgyver1968]

Dude, if your going to start more than 80 threads...yes...let me say that again, 80 freaking threads in the month of May alone, you can't expect everyone of them to get numerous responses.

Ease up on the spam! You don't have to start a thread for every Youtube video you watch!

[skanny]

Originally Posted by macgyver1968

Dude, if your going to start more than 80 threads...yes...let me say that again, 80 freaking threads in the month of May alone, you can't expect everyone of them to get numerous responses.

Ease up on the spam! You don't have to start a thread for every Youtube video you watch!

it isnt spam though

the 911 section of the forum has never looked so healthy with the quality of content posted by WUB.

the same cannot be said about the resident crazies (thats you) who dont post anything substantial or just repeat the old tired nonsense of "I love NIST"

[porridge]

the best the truth movement can do is cite building work or maintenance done before 9/11 and imply that it was a cover for such preparations.

Nope we have "Gelatin" the "B" thing a very suspicious group, not investigated, even tho they had access to all parts of the building & were dismantling window panes & drawing very strange suspicious diagrams that made no sense unless they were encrypted.

That is true, said Cherrie Nanninga, the director of real estate for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which until recently ran the World Trade Center. Port Authority officials, shown a copy of ”The B-Thing” by a reporter, reacted with disbelief, then outrage. Although their own investigation turned up no evidence, Ms. Nanninga said, ”we have no reason to believe it didn’t happen.”
Window removal is considered so dangerous that when it is done the streets below are cordoned off, she said. ”It was really a stupid and irrational act that in my view borders on the criminal,” she said, adding that the stunt had jeopardized the studio program, whose space is donated by the Trade Center.
Removing the window may have been dangerous, but according to Walter Friedman, the owner of Dependable Glass, which performs that service for the World Trade Center, it is not that difficult. All it takes is four guys, some readily available equipment — and nerve, Mr. Friedman said.
Nerve is not something Gelatin lacks. They specialize in projects that require participants to sign a waiver.

[macgyver1968]

Originally Posted by skanny

the same cannot be said about the resident crazies (thats you)

Fortunately, I have thick skin, so I'm not going to report you for the insult.

I was just giving WUB a suggestion from a (mostly) lurker. He's a big boy...he's perfectly capable of telling me to go fornicate myself if he doesn't agree with me.

Here's a suggestion...start one thread entitled "Important Videos that WUB thinks you should watch", and just consolidate all the vid's in one thread. That way, other people's threads don't get pushed off Page 1 into the abyss of Page 2 and beyond.

[wispy]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

Still awaiting any relevant response to any of these threads (plus numerous others that I have started):

9/11 and Probability Theory

So you carpet bomb the forum with multiple thread, about 10 posted yesterday, and still butt into this thread asking why there aren't reponses to them.

Are you feeling huffy or something because you feel we're not taking notice and there are too few responses to you?

I'm not sure whether your post is aimed at me specifically or others but I wasn't aware that we were obliged to answer all or any of your or others posts.

I'm feeling generous, maybe it's because I'll be on holiday next week, so I won't report you for spamming and butting in with irrelevent posts and attemtping to divert this thread.

[porridge]

Originally Posted by porridge

very strange suspicious diagrams that made no sense unless they were encrypted.

This part for a good example. The black belt part being the area that could have been destroyed with the top clear area falling on top.

Then you have "the amazing zone"

These clearly look like & are very similar to what actually happened.

I shall post some more in a bit, I know you are as puzzled as me by this very suspicious piece of evidence & dying to get to the bottom of it, like the FBI should have in the 1st place.

[wispy]

Originally Posted by porridge

This part for a good example. The black belt part being the area that could have been destroyed with the top clear area falling on top.

Then you have "the amazing zone"

These clearly look like & are very similar to what actually happened.

I shall post some more in a bit, I know you are as puzzled as me by this very suspicious piece of evidence & dying to get to the bottom of it, like the FBI should have in the 1st place.

Yes, do post some more. We want to see how to make a leap of logic from what look like art doodles to what happened on 911.

[porridge]

I God B.ring airplane food?

These guys must have been tripping their faces off in that building & prophesying , as everything they mentioned seem to actually happen

[porridge]

Originally Posted by wispy

Yes, do post some more. We want to see how to make a leap of logic from what look like art doodles to what happened on 911.

So you dont find any of this atall suspect then Wispy, you prefer to stick to the more conservative flying cavemen topgun & magikcal passports theory?

[porridge]

gelitin The B-Thing World Trade Center, New York, USA 2000 soloshow "And then the surgical intervention in the World Trade Center in New York City. Everything top secret and illegal of course. In days of conspiratorial work, somewhere on the 148th floor and using building site refuse they had tediously smuggled into the building under their pullovers, they constructed a functioning load-bearing balcony. In a long complicated process they scratched putty from the tall heavy window, which couldn't be opened. Then they extracted it using suction pads, shunted the balcony out, posed on it at 6 in the morning and had themselves photographed there from a helicopter for their nearest and dearest back home. They kept very mum about it all, because if word had crept out about their coup they could have been fined very heavily for sabotaging a national treasure. Even if it was built by the Japanese. Incidentally, as proof that they were there, there is now a piece of old chewing gum stuck to the outside of the building at a dizzy height.", by Tex Rubinowitz, in "The B-Thing"

Nothing suspect about these guys was there.

[rosie789]

Originally Posted by porridge

I God B.ring airplane food?

These guys must have been tripping their faces off in that building & prophesying , as everything they mentioned seem to actually happen

????

Oh look, an aeroplane flying above a tall building in random doodles. Clearly this illogical and highly cryptic message must mean... 'Get some planes and fly 'em in.'

Seriously have you never drawn a tall structure before and childishly put in a plane beside it?

'Boring aeroplane food'

sorry 'airplane', it's american.

[wispy]

Originally Posted by the_magician

Thanks for posting. I'm not up on physics so can't comment on those aspects.

There is still the question of all (or most) of the rubble being shipped off to China before a proper investigation could take place, contravening FEMA guidelines. I did not see any mention of this in the open letter.

The supposed speedy removal of steel and other debris is another oft cited 'evidence of conspiracy'.

Having looked into it, I'd say not really.

I can be accused of taking the 'OS' statements at face value as well those from 911 myth debunkers.

http://www.911myths.com/html/recycled_steel.html

There's no credible evidence I've seen that the debris was 'disposed' of to hide CD or any other dumb theory of collapse or 'inside job'.

Steel from the WTC towers was taken away and examined and because it had identifying markers they can trace from what part of the building it came from which enabvle them to analyse the collapse.

And you go to remember it was a scene where thousands had lost their lives and many may have been trapped. Clearing the site was a priority.

Also remember that the insurance comapnies had their own bods looking into this and they would not have paid out of they had a hint of a sniff of a rat. It would have been backwards and forwards in litigation.

But there comes a point when you think 'enough already'.

You may not have a handle on the physice. But can I suggest you do look into it. If and once you get your head around it and look critically at what you've been told and if and when you see that the collapses were indeed due to plane crashes and fire induced, it may then lead you to consider that the other BS about inside jobs, new world orders and other similar crap was the reason behind 911 is just that, crap.

There would then be no need to give serious consideration to the 'steel was disposed quickly to hide evidence type theories' as it's just a waste of time.

The CT theories of no planes, planes but not real ones as they were cargo planes dressed up, DEWs, CDs in burning buildings, drones, etc etc., seem to need complicated execution plans to make them work and yet not one of the perps has spilt the beans after all these years.

And yet the actual OS is the most credible explanation there is.