Celente: there is no illuminati

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by illuminumnuts

Come on, don't be droll. If you read my post properly you would know I was talking about the masses.

-I disagree though.

William Cooper talked all about it and was called "the most dangerous man in America" (quote probably incorrect- paraphrasing) by President Clinton.

The Michigan Militia was recruiting and passing out literature in parks...

But Tu-pac was introduced to the beliefs in Prison. The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" are (and have been) HUGE in Prison Culture. Especially Muslim (Black) Prison Culture.

Pac didnt believe in the Illuminati, nor Zionist control.

IMO there is no "Illuminati"- But there damn sure is a "secret society" that serves the Zionist agenda. Unfortunately Pac didnt agree.

[illuminumnuts]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

-I disagree though.

William Cooper talked all about it and was called "the most dangerous man in America" (quote probably incorrect- paraphrasing) by President Clinton.

The Michigan Militia was recruiting and passing out literature in parks...
But Tu-pac was introduced to the beliefs in Prison. The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" are (and have been) HUGE in Prison Culture. Especially Muslim (Black) Prison Culture.

Pac didnt believe in the Illuminati, nor Zionist control.

IMO there is no "Illuminati"- But there damn sure is a "secret society" that serves the Zionist agenda. Unfortunately Pac didnt agree.

No offence to decent Americans, but i'm not sure that really inspired a nation encompassing a large proportion of burger eating idiots.

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by illuminumnuts

No offence to decent Americans, but i'm not sure that really inspired a nation encompassing a large proportion of burger eating idiots.

None taken (not a supporter since the Leader claimed "God" was talking to him nor after the split where they failed to defend Rainbow Farm- Hell, even before that they scared me lol)

But the Literature was everywhere. I heard about all this stuff in High School and was scared to death. My Parents talked to me and explained that THEY had heard about all this stuff WAAAAY back in the Hippie days.

Today this information is commercialized and is big business. So yes, its more mainstream but it was always out there as a part of the subculture.

[illuminumnuts]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

Today this information is commercialized and is big business. So yes, its more mainstream but it was always out there as a part of the subculture.

Well, in my opinion, I don't think it was mainstream enough for Tupac to think:

'Yeah, i'm gonna do a record to kill all this Illuminati talk.'

It's just so strange how he ended up dead soon afterwards. And the album 'Killuminati' is from was only written and recorded a few weeks before he died:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_S...e_7_Day_Theory

Yeah right. And notice how it was all done so quickly in just 7 days. Sounds like he knew the dangers. Elements of this story are uncannily similar to stories about the secrecy of some of Kubrick's 'Eyes Wide Shut' scenes. He also turned up dead soon after finishing production, as we all well know.

If we disagree, then we disagree...

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by illuminumnuts

Well, in my opinion, I don't think it was mainstream enough for Tupac to think:

'Yeah, i'm gonna do a record to kill all this Illuminati talk.'

It's just so strange how he ended up dead soon afterwards. And the album 'Killuminati' is from was only written and recorded a few weeks before he died:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_S...e_7_Day_Theory

Yeah right. And notice how it was all done so quickly in just 7 days. Sounds like he knew the dangers. Elements of this story are uncannily similar to stories about the secrecy of some of Kubrick's 'Eyes Wide Shut' scenes. He also turned up dead soon after finishing production, as we all well know.

If we disagree, then we disagree...

That is why I love debating with sensible people and its sad that these discussions often end up in straight up arguments.

- I have no idea what the truth about Tu-Pac is. I can only speculate. I know Gangsta Rap was certainly connected to Black Ops and the CIA. No Doubt. I know Tu Pacs Mother was an ubur Political "Black Panther" in the 1970s and was quite "high up" and a victim to the real cointelpro movement.

I certainly believe Tu Pac was a part of something bigger but not necessarily aware of the fact and I think alot of his Mackevelian ideals are construed as "he was in the Know"

I think this (the murders of Biggie/Tu Pac) was orchestrated to really make Gangsta Rap big and to overshadow Political Rap like Pubic Enemy and such, ushering in a new "era" of bling bling music.

But again, this my unproven hypothesis. =)

Like most things I could be completely incorrect.

+1 for a civil debate.

[pound]

Celente always struck me as a wiser man than that. Apparently, I was wrong.

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

There is no "Illuminati"- But there damn sure is a "secret society" that serves the Zionist agenda. Unfortunately Pac didnt agree.

Since meeting the Assassins in the middle east, the Templar Knights became acquainted with ancient techniques of psychic development, mind control and consciousness expansion. These techniques were all taught and used by Hasan Ibn Sabah as he trained his feared 'Hashishi'.

The Temple Knights returned to Europe and used their knowledge to found a banking empire and to construct buildings in a new 'Gothic' style the like of which had never been seen before.

The Templars were eventually exposed and went underground to Scotland where they hid for hundreds of years, slowly building an underground network throughout England whose aim was to destroy religion and replace it with dogmatic scientism.

The Illuminati of Weishaupt operated under the cover of book-clubs and international cultural exchanges of various sorts. Its aim was to use masonic initiations to Illuminate and create the kind of psychic transformation enthused by Ignacio Loyola (Weishaupt was a former Jesuit priest), and use this example as an 'explanation' of the true hidden purpose of freemasonry in the manner of the ancient Egyptians.

Nowadays these techniques are used very widely. Not only in freemasonry but among groups like Common Purpose and the 'fulfil your potential' movement.

The Illuminati are far more numerous than you imagine. Perhaps on your way to work you pass two or three without even knowing it.

The excesses of unbridled evil and carnage in the last century are the sure sign of the Illuminati. The Illuminati's aim is to create a mass enlightenment for mankind, to bring humanity not only physical control but also psychic and spiritual control by inducting them into mass psychosis.

This is the true purpose of 'terrorism'. This is the true purpose of the financial meltdown.

Create anxiety, panic, fear and terror.

Initiate the world with terror. It happens gradually. People succumb to fear and terror dominates their lives.

They have a break-down, something within them changes. They become borderline psychotics.

They then become part of the Illuminati hive mind.


This method was rediscovered by the Templars in the middle east. The initiatory rites of Pan used terror initiations, hence the word Panic. Pandemonium. We see a similar thing in the Illuminati club Skull and Bones where terror is used to bring about a change in brain chemistry. Bush won't talk about Bones because he is SCARED. He has been terrorised.

These people then tend to continue the cycle of abuse. We then have terrorised presidents and minsters attempting to pass on their disease by terrorising us.


They exist all right.

[fishonwheels]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

This is the true purpose of 'terrorism'. This is the true purpose of the financial meltdown.

Create anxiety, panic, fear and terror.

Initiate the world with terror. It happens gradually. People succumb to fear and terror dominates their lives.

They have a break-down, something within them changes. They become borderline psychotics.

They then become part of the Illuminati hive mind.

I just wrote on another thread that what happens when you're exposed to sustained negativity is it can wear down your energetic defences to the point of opening you up to be "remote influenced." On top of that psychical things don't just happen among humans but also between humans and non-terrestrial, hyperdimensional intelligences and that's what channeling is about. So once the negatively initiated hive mind is fully in place there's no telling who or what could be influencing it.

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by fishonwheels

I just wrote on another thread that what happens when you're exposed to sustained negativity is it can wear down your energetic defences to the point of opening you up to be "remote influenced." On top of that psychical things don't just happen among humans but also between humans and non-terrestrial, hyperdimensional intelligences and that's what channeling is about. So once the negatively initiated hive mind is fully in place there's no telling who or what could be influencing it.

Cool, should have linked it. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of what's going on elsewhere.

People here I think are sort of wondering what they have to do, how will they survive this or that crisis.

The only thing we have to do is stay sane.

Psychosis is Illuminism. Once you lose your mind you become one of them.

Some people don't even know they are part of the Illuminati effort, they go about their lives casually causing conflict and destruction and destroying everything they come into contact with.

They are psychotics, the schizos, the psychopaths. Under the guidance of discarnate astral beings, their weakened minds are easy prey to allow the ultimate evil force, the non physical beings, to manifest their will.

Their natural inclination is to entropy and negativity.

I suspect that the highest Illuminatus on earth doesn't even know he is one. He (or she) just does the right amount of damage at the right time in the right place, to send Earth spinning into chaos.

I see this as a possibility.

[bendelapidate]

Originally Posted by dan duchaine

So basically he is arguing from a point of ignorance. His reason after listening to the video, was that there is no illuminati because we have chaos.

Errr, 'order out of chaos' is meant to be their modus operandi, if they exist. Shows he is out of his depth talking about this aspect of the world stage.

He should stick to what he does know. A simple 'i dont know' would have got more respect from me.

he is just as valid a commentator as any other and has a proven
track record, backed by fact.

[fishonwheels]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Cool, should have linked it. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of what's going on elsewhere.

People here I think are sort of wondering what they have to do, how will they survive this or that crisis.

The only thing we have to do is stay sane.

Psychosis is Illuminism. Once you lose your mind you become one of them.

Some people don't even know they are part of the Illuminati effort, they go about their lives casually causing conflict and destruction and destroying everything they come into contact with.

They are psychotics, the schizos, the psychopaths. Under the guidance of discarnate astral beings, their weakened minds are easy prey to allow the ultimate evil force, the non physical beings, to manifest their will.

Their natural inclination is to entropy and negativity.

I suspect that the highest Illuminatus on earth doesn't even know he is one. He (or she) just does the right amount of damage at the right time in the right place, to send Earth spinning into chaos.

I see this as a possibility.

Ya people definitely need to find ways to keep their sanity and their "frequency" high without destroying others'. If the masses are in this higher state collectively they'll be able to weather any "crisis" instead of becoming more and more reactionary with each new one.

Look at what happened with you and what happened with me now take that to the collective level that is indeed what is happening. Sure I can't say if what I been dealing with is Illuminati but if the Illuminati is into manipulating people into lower states of reactivity for control then it's the same type of people that been sticking their nose in everything I do.

For those who don't understand the whole "Illuminati hive mind" thing I speculate on the how's here. It's not inconceivable that organized groups could have taken something as common place as natural telepathy, developed methods to amplify it among their membership and now use it to coordinate amongst themselves.

[rolf harris]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

I certainly believe Tu Pac was a part of something bigger but not necessarily aware of the fact and I think alot of his Mackevelian ideals are construed as "he was in the Know"

This!! People think he was trying to give us a message through his lyrics but he turned out to be the message himself.