Celente: there is no illuminati

[teardropexplodes]

Originally Posted by rakkoo

Everybody wants to RULE the WORLD.

The NAZIS existed and still do, can we call them the Illuminati?

there are small groups who want try to be above the rest.

Aaagh!! Not the Nazis too?!

[grasshopper]

when I talk with my friends about secret societies and the elites they laugh and say a secret can not long be kept as well as not such a big secret that they rule us all

they dont believe it

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

when I talk with my friends about secret societies and the elites they laugh and say a secret can not long be kept as well as not such a big secret that they rule us all

they dont believe it

Is this in Germany?

Weird, remind them that the Nazi SS were a secret society.

They laugh? Ahhh, the joy of cultural forgetfulness.

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by teardropexplodes

Flashing fairy lights on their heads? Nice ad hominem.
I guess I can't argue with any of it then.
I'll just somehow have to try and believe.

It wasn't supposed to be an 'ad hominem'.

It was supposed to be a touch of humour.

Just a metaphor. Why are you 'hurt' by metaphors which are not even aimed at you?

So you disregard all of the historical cases I presented?

You're not really making much sense here buddy.

I think your case 'against' the existence of the Illuminati is the weaker one here.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Is this in Germany?

Weird, remind them that the Nazi SS were a secret society.

They laugh? Ahhh, the joy of cultural forgetfulness.

well I think most people do not know anything about illuminates and secrets societies...they think thats just conspiracy crap

they think everything is normal and that we all are free...conspiracies are not a science...its underground

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

..conspiracies are not a science...its underground

Same as concentration camps.

They were a 'secret'. History has shown that despite being a secret they still existed.

I know someone who lived in East Germany.

She had no problem believing in the Illuminati because she experienced it first hand with people listening in on their private home conversations and all the rest. Then the secret police interviewing them and asking them why they said such a thing (they were in the privacy of their own home! Who could have heard?).

Those people you talk to are fools and are in danger of being taken for fools just as you were in 1933.


Those people ulitmately will suffer the most because they won't be ready to move when events come home to them.

Germany looks safe now, but Europe will fall and that also means so will Germany's national currency.

The Euro was a way to weaken Germany as much as the other member states.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Same as concentration camps.

I know someone who lived in East Germany.

She had no problem believing in the Illuminati because she experienced it first hand with people listening in on their private home conversations and all the rest.

Those people you talk to are fools and are in danger of being taken for fools just as you were in 1933.

no my friends are no fools...thats the tragedy on this...they are no stupid people

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

no my friends are no fools...thats the tragedy on this...they are no stupid people

Perhaps you're not making the case 'for' strongly enough.

I find it hard to believe that someone who lived in a country like Germany, where the whole secret society modus operandi was exposed for all to see in all its awful power and nefariousness, in the form of the Nazis, cannot comprehend such a concept as a secret society.

The Nazi order was a result of the Vril and Thule secret societies. Surely they know this?

Even if they don't they only have to do a lazy amount of research to discover the truth.

Ask the SAME question to their parents or grandparents, you will get a more historically considered response.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Perhaps you're not making the case 'for' strongly enough.

I find it hard to believe that someone who lived in a country like Germany, where the whole secret society modus operandi was exposed for all to see in all its awful power and nefariousness, in the form of the Nazis, cannot comprehend such a concept as a secret society.

The Nazi order was a result of the Vril and Thule secret societies. Surely they know this?

Even if they don't they only have to do a lazy amount of research to discover the truth.

Ask the SAME question to their parents or grandparents, you will get a more historically considered response.

of course...but how many people do you think knows about the thule...I know no one beside of myself ...maybe Im with the wrong people

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

of course...but how many people do you think knows about the thule...I know no one beside of myself ...maybe Im with the wrong people

Then inform them. Bore them to death with it.



This just proves to me that Germany is still ruled by the same powers.

If a genuine NEW power had taken over from these secret societies then they would seek to expose them through the education system.

The fact that they do not discuss the Vril and Thule must mean they want to keep it a secret.


Don't worry, this is a not a Tommy Brit vs Jerry the German thing. I have no doubt that national distinctions and loyalties don't even exist at the highest levels of national government power.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Then inform them. Bore them to death with it.



This just proves to me that Germany is still ruled by the same powers.

If a genuine NEW power had taken over from these secret societies then they would seek to expose them through the education system.

The fact that they do not discuss the Vril and Thule must mean they want to keep it a secret.


Don't worry, this is a not a Tommy Brit vs Jerry the German thing. I have no doubt that national distinctions and loyalties don't even exist at the highest levels of national government power.

hmm england is also not much more enlightend in this case I think

therefore the internet is such a good medium

but of course you are right

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

hmm england is also not much more enlightend in this case I think

therefore the internet is such a good medium

but of course you are right

Well...you might say that... but we do have researchers and public figures who discuss these issues. Such as David Icke of course.

After all, you are on the website of an English researcher.

What about German activisim? What is happening there?

The most exciting German activism movement I have heard about is the 'Pirate Party' movement.

Do you know about them?

[teardropexplodes]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

It wasn't supposed to be an 'ad hominem'.

It was supposed to be a touch of humour.

Just a metaphor. Why are you 'hurt' by metaphors which are not even aimed at you?

I thought the ludicrously absurd "fairy lights" remark was in reply to my response. Apologies if it was addressed to someone else.

So you disregard all of the historical cases I presented?

You're not really making much sense here buddy.

I think your case 'against' the existence of the Illuminati is the weaker one here.

Hehe. I'm not making a case. I'm asking for evidence from believers that there's a group which calls itself the illuminati behind all this.

I believe in the global nwo conspiracy but I see it as Talmudic/Zionist.
Because it's all there in their own words. Has been for centuries.

America is now largely controlled by them. They have had a false history imposed on them...holocaustianity etc. AIPAC, splc, ADL et al seem pretty much in control of foreign policy along with high level chicken hawk Zionist warmongers.
Likewise with the banks. Totally under their control.
False flag terror operations have their fingerprints all over them.
And of course Britain has long been their tool.
Are the zionists themselves under control of the illuminati?
I just can't see the evidence.
Often people who bang on about illuminati and Nazis while glossing over the chosen tribe are nothing more than shills.
Alex Jones, cough cough.

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by teardropexplodes

I believe in the global nwo conspiracy but I see it as Talmudic/Zionist.
Because it's all there in their own words. Has been for centuries.

The modern occult system of societal control dates back to the Temple Knights.

I believe I've already made this point.

You're just not paying attention.

[valkyrieangel]

Originally Posted by teardropexplodes

I thought the ludicrously absurd "fairy lights" remark was in reply to my response. Apologies if it was addressed to someone else.




Hehe. I'm not making a case. I'm asking for evidence from believers that there's a group which calls itself the illuminati behind all this.

I believe in the global nwo conspiracy but I see it as Talmudic/Zionist.
Because it's all there in their own words. Has been for centuries.

America is now largely controlled by them. They have had a false history imposed on them...holocaustianity etc. AIPAC, splc, ADL et al seem pretty much in control of foreign policy along with high level chicken hawk Zionist warmongers.
Likewise with the banks. Totally under their control.
False flag terror operations have their fingerprints all over them.
And of course Britain has long been their tool.
Are the zionists themselves under control of the illuminati?
I just can't see the evidence.
Often people who bang on about illuminati and Nazis while glossing over the chosen tribe are nothing more than shills.
Alex Jones, cough cough.

+1

@ Edelweiss Pirate: How were the SS a 'secret society'???

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by valkyrieangel

+1

@ Edelweiss Pirate: How were the SS a 'secret society'???

Why don't you find out for yourself instead of betraying your ignorance here?

FFS!

I'm offering the inside action of the Illuminati and I get retarded comments like yours.

Must be trolls at work.

Bed time here in Oman so I'm off. If anyone wants to fight the trolls and actually learn about the real Illuminati I'll be available tomorrow.




http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/schutzstaffel

It was Himmler who formed the notorious SS and, as with the swastika, he chose an esoteric symbol for his horrific organization and this was the double S or sig rune which looks like two flashes of lightning. The SS was a virtually self contained body and the epitome of all the esoteric knowledge in which the Nazis believed so passionately. Only those considered racially pure were allowed to join, and instruction in the esoteric arts, including the rune stones, was fundamental to their training. The SS was run and governed as a black magic secret society. Their rituals were taken from others such as the Jesuits and the Knights Templar. The highest ranking initiates were the 13 (here we go again) members of the Grand Council of Knights led by their Grand Master, Heinrich Himmler, and the black rituals were performed at the ancient castle of Wewelsberg in Westphalia. They celebrated the rituals of the Nordic Pagans and the summer solstice. Here they worshipped Satan, Lucifer, Set, whichever name you prefer. Prince Bernhard, one of founders of the Brotherhood front, the Bilderberg Group, and an extremely close friend of Prince Philip, was in the SS.

— David Icke; The Biggest Secret

Gute Nacht

[parenthesis]

Gotta wonder about those who deny secret societies have any part in the equation, and instead say that it is all a Jewish conspiracy.

All of the Fabian Socialists and international communists in the UN and those who have appointed themselves as supreme rulers of Europe must be Jews. I did not realize that.

Saying that the secret societies exist and are playing a role in the grand scheme of things does not mean that they are the only or even most prominent driving force. To say that it is nonsense is to deny all of the blatant symbolism in pop culture, various monuments and buildings. It is to say that Alan Watt and Fritz Springmeyer, among several others' research is all nonsense.

Alex Jones doesn't even talk about the "Illuminati" or "Nazis." He talks about the "globalists" and control freaks who are trying to shape humanity at higher and higher levels of authority. And when you break out of the narrow view of a single group shaping society, it would seem that "globalist control freaks" best describes all parties involved.

[valkyrieangel]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Why don't you find out for yourself instead of betraying your ignorance here?

FFS!

I'm offering the inside action of the Illuminati and I get retarded comments like yours.

Must be trolls at work.

Bed time here in Oman so I'm off. If anyone wants to fight the trolls and actually learn about the real Illuminati I'll be available tomorrow.




http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/schutzstaffel

Gute Nacht

You are the troll with your over-simplifications and delusions of grandeur. Of course I know about the Thule society etc, I am just saying that the SS itself was hardly a secret.

[inversedivinity]

Originally Posted by parenthesis

gotta wonder about those who deny secret societies have any part in the equation, and instead say that it is all a jewish conspiracy.

All of the fabian socialists and international communists in the un and those who have appointed themselves as supreme rulers of europe must be jews. I did not realize that.

Saying that the secret societies exist and are playing a role in the grand scheme of things does not mean that they are the only or even most prominent driving force. To say that it is nonsense is to deny all of the blatant symbolism in pop culture, various monuments and buildings. It is to say that alan watt and fritz springmeyer, among several others' research is all nonsense.

Alex jones doesn't even talk about the "illuminati" or "nazis." he talks about the "globalists" and control freaks who are trying to shape humanity at higher and higher levels of authority. And when you break out of the narrow view of a single group shaping society, it would seem that "globalist control freaks" best describes all parties involved.

+1000

PS> I am still skeptical of the NWO. Besides the near insurmountable challenges of all the hatred humanity fosters for each other. It isn't good for business. You do realise a NWO would mean a re-allocation of resources, trying to strengthen weaker nation states etc. A welfare system that would give right wingers nightmares. And basically the corporations wouldn't have anywhere to pack up shop and bail to for exploitation. No man NWO is bullshit.

[theabominablephenomenon]

Celente: there is no illuminati

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