The Most Perfect Nutrition/Fitness Plan EVER!

[sicknote]

Originally Posted by plam

Did you read my post?
Did you read the whole thread about it?

I always say that a dialogue is impossible.
People do not listen to the opponent
People always interpret according to their knowledge.
There are no questions?
Questions are the answers.

So are you asking a question or stating an answer?

You have ducked my questions which was predictable.

Which "design(s)" in the human body doesn't give us the ability to run?.

[farros]

Originally Posted by noncooperation

The thought that always springs into my head when a see a long distance runners/athletes is, 'they are shortening their life because of all the stress'.
!

Tim Van Orden, long distance runner.



Mike Arnstein - Ultramarathoner



How many of the people saying running is bad do any running themselves? Judge on experience not some random internet article. Anything the body isn't designed for we wouldnt be able to do to begin with, like climbing trees with just our feet for example.

[noncooperation]

Originally Posted by farros

Tim Van Orden, long distance runner.



Mike Arnstein - Ultramarathoner



How many of the people saying running is bad do any running themselves? Judge on experience not some random internet article. Anything the body isn't designed for we wouldnt be able to do to begin with, like climbing trees with just our feet for example.

The issue is not what we are 'able' to do but we do that creates real stress on our system - there is a big difference.

Most of what I talk about on here is connected somewhere to personal experience & not just stuff i have read. I have done a lot of training & exercising.

Stress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Stress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Homeostasis is a concept central to the idea of stress. In biology, most biochemical processes strive to maintain

Homeostasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homeostasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Homeostasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

, a steady state that exists more as an ideal and less as an achievable condition. Environmental factors, internal or external stimuli, continually disrupt homeostasis; an organism’s present condition is a state in constant flux wavering about a homeostatic point that is that organism’s optimal condition for living. Factors causing an organism’s condition to waver away from homeostasis can be interpreted as stress. A life-threating situation such as a physical insult or prolonged starvation can greatly disrupt homeostasis. On the other hand, an organism’s effortful attempt at restoring conditions back to or near homeostasis, oftentimes consuming energy and natural resources, can also be interpreted as stress.

[thex1138]

Originally Posted by farros

Tim Van Orden, long distance runner.



Mike Arnstein - Ultramarathoner



How many of the people saying running is bad do any running themselves? Judge on experience not some random internet article. Anything the body isn't designed for we wouldnt be able to do to begin with, like climbing trees with just our feet for example.

Don't be deceived. Just because he looks like he's in good shape doesn't mean he's as healthy as he could be.

There's plenty of people who exercise in the world that are on the Standard American Diet and look GREAT, but inside, they aren't as healthy as they appear.

Aesthetics =/= Health

[thex1138]

@sicknote, first and foremost - let me say that I was one of you.. not too long ago actually. You'd only have to stroll a couple pages or so down the health forums on this website to see my pro-vegan rants.

Now.. With that being said, let me pick apart each one of your posts... Keep in mind that I'm not doing this to prove you wrong, because I know that you'll just throw some more nonsense at me to argue about.. I'm doing this for the people that see your posts and might think for a split second or two that you're right.

All your doing is developing the ability to lift bigger & bigger weights.

Yes. You're developing the ability to lift bigger and bigger weights. When you read a book, you're developing the cognitive ability to understand bigger and bigger words. Should we implement newspeak, cut down all the hard-to-understand, multi-syllable words, and keep their shortened synonyms only? According to your philosophy, we should.. and in that case - this is the wrong website for you. Big Brother would love to have you working on their side.

Next thing to do is a google search & list all the negative aspects of such training.

What if weight lifters don't look after themselves internally?

What if Yoga practitioners don't look after themselves internally?

You can overextend a certain stretch, or bend a certain way, and completely mess yourself up for weeks. The fact of life is, you live and you learn. You find out what works, and you find out what doesn't.

Just because you can hurt yourself weightlifting doesn't mean that weightlifting is bad. The same goes for yoga, driving a car, and any other thing you do.

What if there consuming chemical junk to achieve goals?

I don't even know why I'm responding to this one. The whole point of my post was to give the best dietary and the best fitness plan that I could come up with. That plan obviously didn't include "chemical junk" to achieve goals. In fact, I said "WHOLE FOODS ONLY THAT COME FROM THE EARTH". Chemical junk doesn't fall in that category. Please... Read before making comments.

Cancer is known to be related to the body being in a acidic state.

Meat is extremely acidic.

Did you know that pineapple, apples, lemons, limes, etc etc are acidic? Surely you wouldn't say these are bad, would you?

And as a little fun fact - duck eggs are actually alkaline.

1. Does organic/grass-fed meats remain in a state of acidity regardless?.

2. In terms of digestion time?. Do organic/grass-fed meat digest faster?.

3. Also, If someone has a poor digestive system, could organic/grass-fed meat potentially rot, releasing parasites into the system?.

Yes. Meat is acidic. This doesn't change the fact that organic meat is MUCH healthier than non-organic meat. Come on. You know this.

No, organic meat does NOT digest faster (at least not that I know of) than non-organic meat. I don't know what point this makes, though.

If someone has a poor digestive system, I would highly recommend either a vegetable juice fast, or a temporary raw food diet to heal themselves.

Don't get me wrong. I think raw food veganism definitely has its place... Just not in the form of a permanent diet.

@valkyrieangel,

@thex

This plan sounds very rigid and unnatural.

A low protein, vegetable based diet would give you more energy, as it is lighter on your system. As for exercise, I think movement should be organic and spontaneous.

"Breatharians", fruitarians, and long term juice fasters will say the same thing. The fact, those diets aren't sustainable if you want to achieve optimum health.

I'm all for a vegetable based, low protein diet if it WORKS for you. Being a former vegan myself, I 100% support veganism, and support what vegans are doing and why the majority of them are doing it.. But that doesn't discount the fact that OPTIMAL health comes from a primal-type diet, such as the one I listed in the original post.

Hope this helps

[plam]

Originally Posted by thex1138

@sicknote, first and foremost - let me say that I was one of you.. not too long ago actually. You'd only have to stroll a couple pages or so down the health forums on this website to see my pro-vegan rants.

Yeah, I was wondering about you, boy!
Whatever happened to you?

Whenever I see a vegan that finally gets it,
the little devil in me dies!
What will happen if all vegans are no more!
I'll die of boredom!

[thex1138]

Originally Posted by plam

Yeah, I was wondering about you, boy!
Whatever happened to you?

Whenever I see a vegan that finally gets it,
the little devil in me dies!
What will happen if all vegans are no more!
I'll die of boredom!

lol I finally realized I'll never achieve the strength, health, and aesthetics that I'm after on a purely plant based diet. I was getting about 90g+ of protein per day, mainly from hemp seed (I was staying away from grains and legumes), and I could feel my kidneys hurting from trying to process all the seed.

Don't get me wrong.. Hemp seed is AMAZING for you (I know you know this.. this part is for the other people) .. but only when you're taking like 2 tablespoons a day. I was taking 24tbsp a day for protein/high calorie intake :/


Anyways, I'm only eating organic chicken and organic eggs now. I still refuse to eat mammals. I feel like this is a good in-between to achieve perfect health, as well as be as moral as possible by not killing my mammalian brothers . It makes me feel better this way, because I'm still against the slaughterhouse industry

[plam]

Originally Posted by thex1138

lol I finally realized I'll never achieve the strength, health, and aesthetics that I'm after on a purely plant based diet. I was getting about 90g+ of protein per day, mainly from hemp seed (I was staying away from grains and legumes), and I could feel my kidneys hurting from trying to process all the seed.

Don't get me wrong.. Hemp seed is AMAZING for you (I know you know this.. this part is for the other people) .. but only when you're taking like 2 tablespoons a day. I was taking 24tbsp a day for protein/high calorie intake :/


Anyways, I'm only eating organic chicken and organic eggs now. I still refuse to eat mammals. I feel like this is a good in-between to achieve perfect health, as well as be as moral as possible by not killing my mammalian brothers . It makes me feel better this way, because I'm still against the slaughterhouse industry

Good for you. If you decide to eat mammals stick to organs only.
Kidneys are super foods.

Remember, the optimum protein quantity for muscles growth is 30g/day.
The excess protein just puts a stress on your organs
as you have discovered yourself.

[thex1138]

Originally Posted by plam

Good for you. If you decide to eat mammals stick to organs only.
Kidneys are super foods.

Remember, the optimum protein quantity for muscles growth is 30g/day.
The excess protein just puts a stress on your organs
as you have discovered yourself.

Really? I plan on eating 7-14oz of chicken breasts a day which looks like it'd be about 100g of protein just with that alone. Then on top of that I plan on eating raw eggs.

I want to gain some size too, not just have some muscle. I heard 1g protein per pound of body weight is ideal?

30g of protein a day would mean I'd be eating VERY few calories.

[plam]

Originally Posted by thex1138

Really? I plan on eating 7-14oz of chicken breasts a day which looks like it'd be about 100g of protein just with that alone. Then on top of that I plan on eating raw eggs.

I want to gain some size too, not just have some muscle. I heard 1g protein per pound of body weight is ideal?

30g of protein a day would mean I'd be eating VERY few calories.

Moderate Amounts Of Protein Per Meal Found Best For Building Muscle

A recent study by University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston metabolism researchers, however, provides evidence that strongly contradicts this ancient tradition. It also suggests practical ways to both improve normal American eating patterns and reduce muscle loss in the elderly.

The study's results, obtained by measuring muscle synthesis rates in volunteers who consumed different amounts of lean beef, show that only about the first 30 grams (just over one ounce) of dietary protein consumed in a meal actually produce muscle.

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Correction: up there I meant to say liver is super food
But kidneys are not bad either!

[macchoi]

Originally Posted by thex1138

Really? I plan on eating 7-14oz of chicken breasts a day which looks like it'd be about 100g of protein just with that alone. Then on top of that I plan on eating raw eggs.

I want to gain some size too, not just have some muscle. I heard 1g protein per pound of body weight is ideal?

30g of protein a day would mean I'd be eating VERY few calories.

Strength trainers actually require less protein than their cardio-junky counterparts. Reason being, our muscles are constantly "activated" from training, so our bodies are more efficient at synthesizing whatever protein we feed it.

I usually aim for 20-30ish grams of protein per meal. 3-4 meals a day, not including protein shakes.
With protein shakes, I'll usually get in about 50 grams per shake. I usually have 1-2 shakes per day.

30grams per day seems like way too little food for me. That's like 4 eggs lol.

[macchoi]

Originally Posted by farros

Tim Van Orden, long distance runner.



Mike Arnstein - Ultramarathoner



How many of the people saying running is bad do any running themselves? Judge on experience not some random internet article. Anything the body isn't designed for we wouldnt be able to do to begin with, like climbing trees with just our feet for example.

ewww.... those guys need to gain some weight. I know plenty of starving children in China who look like that.

[macchoi]

Physical strength is the most important thing in life. This is true whether we want it to be or not. As humanity has developed throughout history, physical strength has become less critical to our daily existence, but no less important to our lives. Our strength, more than any other thing we possess, still determines the quality and the quantity of our time here in these bodies. Whereas previously our physical strength determined how much food we ate and how warm and dry we stayed, it now merely determines how well we function in these new surroundings we have crafted for ourselves as our culture has accumulated. But we are still animals - our physical existence is, in the final analysis, the only one that actually matters. A weak man is not as happy as the same man would be if he were strong. This reality is offensive to some people who would like the intellectual or spiritual to take precedence. It is instructive to see what happens to these very people as their squat strength goes up.

As the nature of our culture has changed, our relationship with physical activity has changed along with it. We previously were physically strong as a function of our continued existence in a simple physical world. We were adapted to this existence well, since we had no other choice. Those whose strength was adequate to the task of staying alive continued doing so. This shaped our basic physiology, and that of all our vertebrate associates on the bushy little tree of life. It remains with us today. The relatively recent innovation known as the Division of Labor is not so remote that our genetic composition has had time to adapt again. Since most of us now have been freed from the necessity of personally obtaining our subsistence, physical activity is regarded as optional. Indeed it is, from the standpoint of immediate necessity, but the reality of millions of years of adaptation to a ruggedly physical existence will not just go away because desks were invented.

Like it or not, we remain the possessors of potentially strong muscle, bone, sinew, and nerve, and these hard-won commodities demand our attention. They were too long in the making to just be ignored, and we do so at our peril. They are the very components of our existence, the quality of which now depends on our conscious, directed effort at giving them the stimulus they need to stay in the condition that is normal to them. Exercise is that stimulus.

Over and above any considerations of performance for sports, exercise is the stimulus that returns our bodies to the conditions for which they were designed. Humans are not physically normal in the absence of hard physical effort. Exercise is not a thing we do to fix a problem -it is a thing we must do anyway, a thing without which there will always be problems. Exercise is the thing we must do to replicate the conditions under which our physiology was adapted, the conditions under which we are physically normal. In other words, exercise is substitute cave-man activity -- the thing we need to make our bodies, and in fact our minds, normal in the 21st century. And merely normal, for most worthwhile humans, is not good enough.

Why Barbells?
Training for Strength is as old as civilization itself. The Greek tale of Milo serves to date the antiquity of an interest in physical development, and and understanding of the processes by which it is acquired. Milo is said to have lifted a calf every day, and grew stronger as the calf grew larger. The progressive nature of strength development was known thousands of years ago, but only recently (in terms of the scope of history) has the problem of how best to facilitate progressive resistance training been tackled by technology...Properly performed, full-range-of-motion barbell exercises are essentially the functional expression of human skeletal and muscular anatomy under a load.

--Mark Rippetoe, author of Starting Strength, another book I highly recommend to those who want to learn proper barbell exercise technique and programming.

[plam]

Originally Posted by macchoi

Strength trainers actually require less protein than their cardio-junky counterparts. Reason being, our muscles are constantly "activated" from training, so our bodies are more efficient at synthesizing whatever protein we feed it.

I usually aim for 20-30ish grams of protein per meal. 3-4 meals a day, not including protein shakes.
With protein shakes, I'll usually get in about 50 grams per shake. I usually have 1-2 shakes per day.

30grams per day seems like way too little food for me. That's like 4 eggs lol.

Sorry, macchoi, you're right.
It is 30 g per meal.

This suggests that at around 30 grams of protein per meal, maybe a little less, muscle protein synthesis hits an upper ceiling.

[sicknote]

Originally Posted by thex1138

There's plenty of people who exercise in the world that are on the Standard American Diet and look GREAT, but inside, they aren't as healthy as they appear.

Exactly. The same can easily be said for weight lifters or any type of sporting athlete with poor dietary habits.

In fact I would speculate the internal organs of most strength trainers are in worse a condition on the whole than endurance based athletes because of the dietary/supplementary requirements they usually depend on & the whole ethos that surrounds getting stronger/bodybuilding etc.

Originally Posted by thex1138

Chemical junk doesn't fall in that category.

Weight lifting & supplements go hand in hand. Many athletes who take part in any strength training will by & large rely on supplements, some heavily, to gain an edge on there competition.

Most of it is toxic doing nothing but destabilizing your internal organs & inner health.

Originally Posted by thex1138

The fitness section requires that both men AND women lift HEAVY, with LOW REPS.

There may also be a requirement for you to endure lifetime back pain & many hospital & doctor visits. Put that in the small print.

Originally Posted by macchoi

Physical strength is the most important thing in life.

Not oxygen, water, food, shelter or warmth?.

[thex1138]

Originally Posted by plam

Sorry, macchoi, you're right.
It is 30 g per meal.

This suggests that at around 30 grams of protein per meal, maybe a little less, muscle protein synthesis hits an upper ceiling.

Ah, that's more like it. Yeah I've heard we can utilize 45g protein per meal, but perhaps that's just the max limit, whereas 30g would be ideal.

In fact I would speculate the internal organs of most strength trainers are in worse a condition on the whole than endurance based athletes because of the dietary/supplementary requirements they usually depend on & the whole ethos that surrounds getting stronger/bodybuilding etc.

Please stop. Every single one of your posts have "IGNORANCE" stamped all over them.

Jut because the internal organs of MOST weight lifters are in worse condition as a whole than endurance based athletes, doesn't mean that strength training damages your organs. It's common sense and simple reasoning. Yes, the majority of people that lift heavy weights out there are typically unhealthy people. They will "carb up" using grains to grow in size, they will use unhealthy supplements, they will use steroids, etc etc etc. THIS DOES NOT MEAN that EVERYONE who lifts weights does the same thing.

People who get into endurance training TYPICALLY do it because they think it's a good step towards a healthy lifestyle. People who get into weightlifting TYPICALLY do it for ego based aesthetic reasons.

With that being said, the plan I've outlined above CLEARLY shows that it's not ego based/for aesthetic purposes. It's for HEALTH, and when you lift weights for STRENGTH and HEALTH, your internal organs are great. Your not putting ANYTHING unnatural into your body.

Go to a bodybuilding forum and rant your nonsense. Why would my health plan have ANYTHING to do with chemical supplements? Stop making assumptions and READ what is said.

Weight lifting & supplements go hand in hand. Many athletes who take part in any strength training will by & large rely on supplements, some heavily, to gain an edge on there competition.

Most of it is toxic doing nothing but destabilizing your internal organs & inner health.

Once again, weight lifting and supplements go hand in hand for the MAJORITY of people, not ALL of the people. Just because the masses are ignorant, doesn't mean EVERYONE is ignorant. The intellectuals here know to avoid chemical supplements like the plague.

There may also be a requirement for you to endure lifetime back pain & many hospital & doctor visits. Put that in the small print.

This is why you must learn proper form. Once you learn proper form, strength training will actually strengthen your muscle and skeletal system, resulting in less pain, and less hospital/doctor visits.


Come down from your new age step-up ladder. You're being completely irrational, illogical, ignorant - whatever you want to call it, you're being it. It makes you look bad and will discredit any supposed smart posts you might end up coming to this forum with in the future.

[josjo]

Don't feed the troll

I suspect he/she's a sickly, 6 stones vegan who can barely carry his/her shopping back from the market. They're just trying to justify themselves. It's kinda sad

[thex1138]

:/ I know I shouldn't. It's hard not to though.

[thex1138]

Originally Posted by josjo

I suspect he/she's a sickly, 6 stones vegan who can barely carry his/her shopping back from the market. They're just trying to justify themselves. It's kinda sad

Yeah you're right. There's more than enough evidence in our favor on this thread so far for anyone that might be lurking on these forums looking for answers. I'll stop replying to him.

[josjo]

This, I guess, is why Nietzsche disliked Buddhism (and Christianity and most religion) - virtually no emphasis put on our existence, all faith in our next existence on a spiritual plane. It all comes down to slave/master morality: slave says "Life may be awful for us, but just you wait till we die. Then God will punish the masters and reward us for being so pitiful". Masters say "Bloody hell, life's great, huh?"

I like your thread!