Define "identify"

[weeman]

A forum member that shall remain unnamed [rumpelstilzchen] has raised an interesting point for discussion (from a different thread)

Freemen that don't hold license, Government issue ID, passport etcetera; how do you identify yourself when required?

Traffic stop, cash a cheque, get in or out of your country/place of birth as examples.

Surely there has to be something that proves you are who you say you are, if only to counter fraudulent activity? How would this be established?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/identify

1. to recognize or establish as being a particular person or thing; verify the identity of: to identify handwriting; to identify the bearer of a check.
2. to serve as a means of identification for: His gruff voice quickly identified him.
3. to make, represent to be, or regard or treat as the same or identical: They identified Jones with the progress of the company.
4. to associate in name, feeling, interest, action, etc. (usually followed by with ): He preferred not to identify himself with that group.
5. Biology . to determine to what group (a given specimen) belongs.
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6. Psychology . to associate (one or oneself) with another person or a group of persons by identification.

Feel free to expand on the scenarios too.

[penfold9]

Just follow the money weeman
If a cheque comes to the "person" they accept it, if a bill comes, it doesnt belong to them.

[weeman]

Originally Posted by penfold9

Just follow the money weeman
If a cheque comes to the "person" they accept it, if a bill comes, it doesnt belong to them.

I have that same picture.
A benefit = there will be an identity ready and waiting.
A debt = name game, obfuscation, semantics and a side order of word salad.

I have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise.

[alienbiketrail]

Originally Posted by weeman

A forum member that shall remain unnamed [rumpelstilzchen] has raised an interesting point for discussion (from a different thread)

Freemen that don't hold license, Government issue ID, passport etcetera; how do you identify yourself when required?

Traffic stop, cash a cheque, get in or out of your country/place of birth as examples.

Surely there has to be something that proves you are who you say you are, if only to counter fraudulent activity? How would this be established?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/identify

1. to recognize or establish as being a particular person or thing; verify the identity of: to identify handwriting; to identify the bearer of a check.
2. to serve as a means of identification for: His gruff voice quickly identified him.
3. to make, represent to be, or regard or treat as the same or identical: They identified Jones with the progress of the company.
4. to associate in name, feeling, interest, action, etc. (usually followed by with ): He preferred not to identify himself with that group.
5. Biology . to determine to what group (a given specimen) belongs.
EXPAND
6. Psychology . to associate (one or oneself) with another person or a group of persons by identification.

Feel free to expand on the scenarios too.

How does someone function without the ability to identify themselves?

[jaynette]

Originally Posted by penfold9

Just follow the money weeman
If a cheque comes to the "person" they accept it, if a bill comes, it doesnt belong to them.

And that sums up most of these "freeman" persons doesn't it?

[georggearless]

Originally Posted by penfold9

Just follow the money weeman
If a cheque comes to the "person" they accept it, if a bill comes, it doesnt belong to them.

I agree with Jaynette. That's pretty much freemani'sm in a nutshell.

[ozpixie]

I don't think it should be necessary for anyone to identify themselves unless they have broken a serious law. (murder, burglary, rape, extortion etc).

I do not and never will consider parking, speeding, jay-walking, not wearing a seatbelt, swearing, not being registered, not vaccinated etc, as crimes AS LONG AS nobody is injured or experiences a loss.

We must reach a point where we can show trust in others. Some will think I am living in Pollyanna land but that's just too bad. I would rather show trust and give the benefit of the doubt than automatically think the worst, which is how our systems work.

[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by ozpixie

I don't think it should be necessary for anyone to identify themselves unless they have broken a serious law. (murder, burglary, rape, extortion etc).

But the point is, how do they identify themselves?
Remember, we are talking about people who claim to have absolutely nothing that identifies them.

[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by penfold9

Just follow the money weeman
If a cheque comes to the "person" they accept it, if a bill comes, it doesnt belong to them.

Wouldn't it be a pisser for a fotl if his six numbers came up on a double rollover and the cheque was made out with his name in ALL CAPS?
Maybe the term "legal fiction" would be instantly erased from his memory.

[ozpixie]

You just say my name is Ozpixie, how do you do, I am not aware of any fraudulent activity so I cannot help you in your enquiry. Isn't that enough?

Leaving the country should only require a name, address for any correspondence and perhaps a next of kin to notify of any accident, illness or death.

A persons word should be enough unless there IS a history of crime.

[vegan_on_the_land]

All identity documents are based on hearsay. Our parents get our birth certificates by saying they are our parents and that we were born on a certain day.

The stupid plan to issue us with identity cards was flawed from the start - they were intended (ostensibly) to enable us to prove our identity. But how could we have proved our identity in order to be given one of the cards? If we could have proved our identity, why did we need a card to prove our identity?

[Ian2day]

international family certificate

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=57531

[penfold9]

How many times have you used your International Family certificate to identify yourself and also travel abroad Ian?

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by weeman

A forum member that shall remain unnamed [rumpelstilzchen] has raised an interesting point for discussion (from a different thread)

Freemen that don't hold license, Government issue ID, passport etcetera; how do you identify yourself when required?

Traffic stop, cash a cheque, get in or out of your country/place of birth as examples.

Surely there has to be something that proves you are who you say you are, if only to counter fraudulent activity? How would this be established?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/identify

1. to recognize or establish as being a particular person or thing; verify the identity of: to identify handwriting; to identify the bearer of a check.
2. to serve as a means of identification for: His gruff voice quickly identified him.
3. to make, represent to be, or regard or treat as the same or identical: They identified Jones with the progress of the company.
4. to associate in name, feeling, interest, action, etc. (usually followed by with ): He preferred not to identify himself with that group.
5. Biology . to determine to what group (a given specimen) belongs.
EXPAND
6. Psychology . to associate (one or oneself) with another person or a group of persons by identification.

Feel free to expand on the scenarios too.

Why does a freeman need to identify them-selves?

i-dent-ify :- to put ones mark onto something?

It seems only within commerce that ones identification needs to be recognised, within barter one only needs to under-stand that you as a human being are exchanging goods with another human being and meeting a co-defined acceptance

Within commerce the state needs to identify the benefactor in order to issue a charge through taxes

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by ozpixie

You just say my name is Ozpixie, how do you do, I am not aware of any fraudulent activity so I cannot help you in your enquiry. Isn't that enough?

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it should be, ozpixie

But unfortunately the state wishes to enter into discussion with you to see if you owe it any taxes

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by penfold9

Just follow the money weeman
If a cheque comes to the "person" they accept it, if a bill comes, it doesnt belong to them.

If you can prove to me that i'they' need to pay the bill for either services rendered or accepted, then 'they' should not have any issue in paying the bill.



I think that 'they' have a beef with enforced bills where no service has been provided and or accepted - stealth taxes, i think these 'bills' are called, petty fines that come in the guise of PCN's and their likes.

[weeman]

I'm tired of other questions being asked before an answer is forthcoming to the original. Tiresome.

I'm not interested in what should happen. I'm not asking why they should need to. I'm asking [for people who apparently don't have ID] how do you identify yourself when required?

Forget it.

[lesactive]

Originally Posted by weeman

I'm tired of other questions being asked before an answer is forthcoming to the original. Tiresome.

I'm not interested in what should happen. I'm not asking why they should need to. I'm asking [for people who apparently don't have ID] how do you identify yourself when required?

Forget it.

I AM the spirit directing this body. ID only references the body, not the spirit that moves it. I identify I. That information is crucial for understanding who you are.

The question for me is this: when is one required to show ID? I never have to identify myself unless and until I break a law, which I won't do. Part of the problem is that without current, signed and actual ID (photo, dob, name, expiry date) all they can go on is hearsay and your agreement.

No one is required to carry ID in a commonlaw jurisdiction unless they are fulfilling a legal function. What that function actually is and how it is determined will dictate whether ID is required or not.

[penfold9]

I never have to identify myself unless and until I break a law, which I won't do.

But how do you identify yourself when you need to for your own benefit, thats the point of the thread.

I AM the spirit directing this body. ID only references the body, not the spirit that moves it. I identify I.

I am the body directing this spirit, this spirit is 80% proof, it is this spirit that makes this body stagger.

[undeadcreature]

Originally Posted by lesactive

No one is required to carry ID in a commonlaw jurisdiction unless they are fulfilling a legal function.

Like driving a car?