Senator Mike Gravel Rejects 9/11 Commission

[wake_up_bomb]

Senator Mike Gravel is famous for the Pentagon Papers that revealed the lies the public and Congress were told by the Johnson administration about Vietnam. You can read more about this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gr...entagon_Papers

Gravel is supporting the Citizens' 9/11 Commission Campaign.

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/news.html

The Citizens' 9/11 Commission Campaign is a new activist organization founded and led by former Senator Mike Gravel (D-Alaska, 1969-1981). Senator Gravel is widely known for having read the Pentagon Papers into the Senate record during the Vietnam war era, helping to bring that war to an end. This new campaign has been exploring the feasibility of filing ballot propositions in several states (Oregon, Massachusetts, and others). When passed, this legislation would create an independent 9/11 commission that would be headquartered in the first state to pass such a law. This powerful new investigative commission would be:

funded by the citizens via the state treasury (mandated by the law)
free of governmental interference
vested with subpoena power and the ability to take testimony under oath
enhanced legally and financially by other states and localities that pass “sister” initiatives.
The campaign's approach is the method of direct democracy as it is now practiced in 24 states using the state ballot initiative. The cause of direct democracy has been the principal passion of Senator Mike Gravel since his two terms in the Senate. As Senator Gravel has stated: “The 9/11 movement’s successful decade of citizen education can now give way to an actionable citizen’s plan for change - a plan to pass laws that will create a new investigation!”

The campaign's steering committee consists of Senator Mike Gravel, executive director Byron Belitsos, one of the founders of 911truth.org, Ken Jenkins, a pioneering 9/11 activist and video producer, as communications director, and George Ripley who was an aide to Senator Gravel’s 2008 presidential campaign, and also a supporter of Doris "Granny D" Haddock who walked across the USA at age 90 for federal and state election campaign finance reform.

To contribute to the 9/11 Commission Campaign, visit the Donate section on the campaign website.

Update September 07, 2011: The 9/11 Commission Campaign applied for a citizen ballot initiative in Massachusetts on August 3rd, and received certification from the Mass. Attorney General’s office on Sept 7th. By Massachusetts law, there is now two months to collect 100,000 signatures (a goal which exceeds the legal requirement). This will require the services of a ballot access professional. To succeed, the campaign needs to raise $40,000 a week for the next 6 weeks! Please help with a donation as indicated above.

Update September 11, 2011: Mike Gravel gave the closing speech at the Toronto Hearings.

Update November 2, 2011: Initiative campaign to target Colorado and North Dakota

After weeks of careful research, the Citizens' 911 Commission Campaign has decided that Colorado and North Dakota will be its target ballot-initiative states for the 2012 election cycle. "Colorado has a very favorable political climate and profile, and North Dakota offers an easier and less costly signature-gathering process," said the Campaign's new general manager, Ken Freeland. "Also, the filing and signature-gathering timelines in both states are favorable," "Colorado is the overall the best state and will be our key focus," said Campaign founder Senator Mike Gravel. "North Dakota provides a back-up strategy in case we can't fund Colorado. But our hope is to fund signature-gathering campaigns in both states and to pursue two winning initiative campaigns next year."

After winning certification in Massachusetts in early September, the Campaign launched its first signature-gathering effort in that state. The Campaign decided to postpone this effort to a later election cycle because of the very short window provided in Massachusetts initiative law for gathering the required 82,000 signatures. "By contrast, the requirements in Colorado and North Dakota are easier to meet, and the funding required in each case is relatively modest," said Gravel.

[labouysse]

I think you mean "former senator" - ie he finished being a senator 20 years before 9/11.

What insights does he bring to the debate?

BTW the "initiative" campaign got precisely nowhere - this is really old news.

[wake_up_bomb]

Originally Posted by labouysse

What insights does he bring to the debate?

BTW the "initiative" campaign got precisely nowhere - this is really old news.

You don't know what he has to say, but you do know that the initiative campaign "got nowhere". Interesting.

[macgyver1968]

Mike Gravel's original website about this is located at:

http://9-11cc.org/

Unfortunately, MG has withdrawn his support:

Our major changes began late last November when Senator Mike Gravel first announced his departure from our group’s mission so as to return to his long time mission of creating a national initiative. While we wish him well with his mission, we chose not to join Mike in that effort, but rather decided to continue pursuing the state ballot goals as outlined by our revised strategic plan.

In many states...they have "ballot initiatives". It means if enough concerned citizens get together, and get enough signatures on a petition...they can have something voted on in an election. MG wants the same thing...but on a federal level....where voters from all different states can get an initiative voted on by the whole country...bypassing congress...and the government.

So far...it hasn't gone to well.

[wake_up_bomb]

Originally Posted by macgyver1968

Mike Gravel's original website about this is located at:

http://9-11cc.org/

Unfortunately, MG has withdrawn his support:



In many states...they have "ballot initiatives". It means if enough concerned citizens get together, and get enough signatures on a petition...they can have something voted on in an election. MG wants the same thing...but on a federal level....where voters from all different states can get an initiative voted on by the whole country...bypassing congress...and the government.

So far...it hasn't gone to well.

I understand this. I will post more about Gravel at a later date.

You seem to be wishing for this not to go well. How odd. You're American, as far as I know, I would have thought the fact that you have a criminal government completely screwing you over every day of your life, with 50 million Americans on food stamps, but always enough funds to have American troops in over 130 nations, with the country about to reach its debt ceiling again, while the nation is run by a banking-military-industrial complex and the Constiution is shredded daily...might bother you. Apparently not.

[labouysse]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

You don't know what he has to say, but you do know that the initiative campaign "got nowhere". Interesting.

It isn't really that hard to find.

http://9-11cc.org/about-us/about-the-campaign/

I notice they've now put the target back to getting on one state ballot in 2014.

[macgyver1968]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

I understand this. I will post more about Gravel at a later date.

You seem to be wishing for this not to go well. How odd. You're American, as far as I know, I would have thought the fact that you have a criminal government completely screwing you over every day of your life, with 50 million Americans on food stamps, but always enough funds to have American troops in over 130 nations, with the country about to reach its debt ceiling again, while the nation is run by a banking-military-industrial complex and the Constiution is shredded daily...might bother you. Apparently not.

Fuck no! I'm all about direct democracy. I totally believe the American people should have an outlet to bring something up for a vote without having to go through congress and all that political red tape bull shit.

[wake_up_bomb]

Originally Posted by labouysse

It isn't really that hard to find.

http://9-11cc.org/about-us/about-the-campaign/

I notice they've now put the target back to getting on one state ballot in 2014.

I take it you're against the campaign then?

Originally Posted by macgyver1968

Fuck no! I'm all about direct democracy. I totally believe the American people should have the ability to bring something up for a vote without having to go through congress and all that political red tape bull shit.

I find it incredible that you're aware enough to comprehend the importance of direct democracy but also completely accept the official version of 9/11. I find that staggering.

[labouysse]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

I take it you're against the campaign then?

Irrespective of my thoughts on the campaign, I don't like people ripping off donations.

http://norcaltruth.org/2012/02/26/wh...l-mike-gravel/

"Mike Gravel has taken money donated to the 9/11 Citizens Commission (9/11CC) and re-distributed those funds elsewhere without permission from the 9/11CC board or donors.

The organization he redistributed the donations to is an organization he founded and chairs – and it has nothing to do with 9/11."

[macgyver1968]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

I find it incredible that you're aware enough to comprehend the importance of direct democracy but also completely accept the official version of 9/11. I find that staggering.

Ok...I can understand that...so which version of 9/11 truth should I believe? Were there no planes..and only holograms? Were there real planes...but they were military upgraded planes with explosives on board? Was it a directed energy weapon that "dustified" the towers? or was it 150 kiloton nukes under the foundation of the towers that brought them down?

The reason I believe the "official story" is because it makes the most sense to me...given the evidence of that day. 19 terrorists took over 4 aircraft. They killed the pilots and assumed control of the aircraft. Two of them rammed into the twin towers, one hit the pentagon, and another was foiled by the passengers, and crashed into a reclaimed coal strip mine in the bum-fuck town of Shanksville, Pa.

To me, this is the most plausible story.

[wake_up_bomb]

Originally Posted by labouysse

Irrespective of my thoughts on the campaign, I don't like people ripping off donations.

http://norcaltruth.org/2012/02/26/wh...l-mike-gravel/

"Mike Gravel has taken money donated to the 9/11 Citizens Commission (9/11CC) and re-distributed those funds elsewhere without permission from the 9/11CC board or donors.

The organization he redistributed the donations to is an organization he founded and chairs – and it has nothing to do with 9/11."

This must be the first time you've linked to a 9/11 Truth site!

Do you have any evidence from the actual campaign that he ripped them off? MacGyver just linked to the following quotation:

"Our major changes began late last November when Senator Mike Gravel first announced his departure from our group’s mission so as to return to his long time mission of creating a national initiative. While we wish him well with his mission, we chose not to join Mike in that effort, but rather decided to continue pursuing the state ballot goals as outlined by our revised strategic plan".

[wake_up_bomb]

Originally Posted by macgyver1968

Ok...I can understand that...so which version of 9/11 truth should I believe? Were there no planes..and only holograms? Were there real planes...but they were military upgraded planes with explosives on board? Was it a directed energy weapon that "dustified" the towers? or was it 150 kiloton nukes under the foundation of the towers that brought them down?

The reason I believe the "official story" is because it makes the most sense to me...given the evidence of that day. 19 terrorists took over 4 aircraft. They killed the pilots and assumed control of the aircraft. Two of them rammed into the twin towers, one hit the pentagon, and another was foiled by the passengers, and crashed into a reclaimed coal strip mine in the bum-fuck town of Shanksville, Pa.

To me, this is the most plausible story.

Believe whatever you want, my friend. I'm not interested in changing your mind or anyone else's, but you might want to have a look at these threads for starters.

Over Four Hundred Professors Question 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209768

41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209765

Criticism of NIST by Civil Engineer Jonathan Cole

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209760

Barbara Olson Phonecalls Fake

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209763

USAF Accident Investigation President Questions OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208942

NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209444

National Archive Keeps Bulk of 9/11 Report Sealed

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208940

Eight US State Dept Veterans Challenge 9/11 OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208941

National Academy of Sciences Member Questions OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208668

Pilots Rubbish Official Story Regarding NORAD

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=207837

German Minister Andreas von Buelow Rubbishes OCT

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=207840

Top Government Insider: 9/11 a False Flag

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208850

German Air-Traffic Controller Rubbishes OT

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209597

CIA Asset Susan Lindauer Can Now Speak 10 years

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209443

Scientists Form 9/11 Consensus Panel - Question OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209011

Professor Niels Harrit Rubbishes Official Theory

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208669

Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 Inside Job

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208667

Psychologists Discuss 9/11 Cognitive Dissonance

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209077

Professor David Ray Griffin on 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209071

Marine Fighter Pilot Rubbishes Official 9/11 Story

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209073

Japanese Senator Questions Official 9/11 Story

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208939

Robert Fisk: I Question the Truth About 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208671

Pilots Conclude OS Regarding NORAD is Junk

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208666

Resistance to 9/11 Truth - Psychiatrist Speaks Out

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210163

Dr Sabrosky Dir of US Army War College Doubts OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209765

Criticism of NIST by Civil Engineer Jonathan Cole

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=206114

NIST WTC7 by Underwriters Laboratories' Kevin Ryan

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209760

Barbara Olson Phonecalls Fake

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209768

Terrorism + Ex-Intelligence Agency Question OS

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209228

WTC7 NIST Concedes Freefall Speed

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209444

National Archive Keeps Bulk of 9/11 Report Sealed

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208454

Extremely High Temps During the WTC Destruction

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209229

WTC7 - Sound Evidence for Explosions

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209686

Demolishing Psychological Barriers to 9/11 Truth

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=209597

CIA Asset Susan Lindauer Can Now Speak 10 years after 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210529

Senator Mike Gravel Rejects 9/11 Commission

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210528

Jeff Farrer Physics PhD on 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210527

Mark Vorobej Professor of Philosophy on 9/11

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=207841

911 Acceleration Study Proves Explosive Demolition

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=206114

NIST WTC7 by Underwriters Laboratories' Kevin Ryan

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=208453

9/11 and Probability Theory

If you look through the whole lot properly and still think the most likely explanation is 19 Arab hijackers defeat the US military-industrial complex, then fair enough.

[macgyver1968]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

Believe whatever you want, my friend. I'm not interested in changing your mind or anyone else's, but you might want to have a look at these threads for starters.

That's cool..I know I won't change your mind either. I have seen the evidence of all of the different truther theories...and I have come to the conclusion they they are nonsense. That's just my opinion.

Just curious WUB...what is your opinion on what happened on 9/11? Did real planes hit the towers...or were they holograms or video fakery? Were there nano-thermite charges placed in the tower...or was it a directed energy weapon or a nuke that brought down the towers? Just curious.

[labouysse]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

This must be the first time you've linked to a 9/11 Truth site!

Do you have any evidence from the actual campaign that he ripped them off? MacGyver just linked to the following quotation:

"Our major changes began late last November when Senator Mike Gravel first announced his departure from our group’s mission so as to return to his long time mission of creating a national initiative. While we wish him well with his mission, we chose not to join Mike in that effort, but rather decided to continue pursuing the state ballot goals as outlined by our revised strategic plan".

Note the links I gave from Feb 2012 -

http://norcaltruth.org/2012/02/26/wh...l-mike-gravel/

are more recent than MacGyvers quote - like when they realised $30k was missing.

BTW I link to many different sources (can't ever recall using NIST though).

[wake_up_bomb]

Originally Posted by macgyver1968

That's cool..I know I won't change your mind either. I have seen the evidence of all of the different truther theories...and I have come to the conclusion they they are nonsense. That's just my opinion.

Just curious WUB...what is your opinion on what happened on 9/11? Did real planes hit the towers...or were they holograms or video fakery? Were there nano-thermite charges placed in the tower...or was it a directed energy weapon or a nuke that brought down the towers? Just curious.

Honestly? No idea. All I do know is that the official version is impossible. Even what I know from my experience of flying and somewhat more detailed knowledge of air-traffic control would render it completely impossible.

[macgyver1968]

Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb

Honestly? No idea. All I do know is that the official version is impossible. Even what I know from my experience of flying and somewhat more detailed knowledge of air-traffic control would render it completely impossible.

Really? REALLY? REALLY? Just as you expressed dismay over me believing in the "official story"..at least I know what I believe in....apparently, you don't know what the fuck you believe in. How does that work? You don't believe that 19 terrorist flew 4 aircraft in the to the towers, the pentagon and a field in PA...but you don't know what you actually believe happened?

That is mind boggling to me.

So basically....you know you don't believe in the "official story" but you don't have any clue what actually happened on 9/11....Not a strong position in my opinion.

[macgyver1968]

Just to narrow it down..WUB...do you believe real planes hit the towers or no planes hit the towers?

[denton]

Originally Posted by macgyver1968

Really? REALLY? REALLY? Just as you expressed dismay over me believing in the "official story"..at least I know what I believe in....apparently, you don't know what the fuck you believe in. How does that work? You don't believe that 19 terrorist flew 4 aircraft in the to the towers, the pentagon and a field in PA...but you don't know what you actually believe happened?

That is mind boggling to me.

So basically....you know you don't believe in the "official story" but you don't have any clue what actually happened on 9/11....Not a strong position in my opinion.

That sounds like someone who has already decided what they're NOT going to believe, based on a principle.

[ex sheep]

I think it comes down to that he is opening his mind to ALL possibilities, because of the scale of deception as the vast majority here can see here, while closed minds will never see this, you have to let it sink in that what you believe happened is a load of bullshit, and that everything you think about life, is in fact the complete opposite, but some cannot do this, hence they get stuck, as it was designed to do.

[denton]

Originally Posted by ex sheep

I think it comes down to that he is opening his mind to ALL possibilities, because of the scale of deception as the vast majority here can see here, while closed minds will never see this, you have to let it sink in that what you believe happened is a load of bullshit, and that everything you think about life, is in fact the complete opposite, but some cannot do this, hence they get stuck, as it was designed to do.

I think that's a little harsh. I think most on here are open-minded about all possibilities, to begin with. What changes that is how they interpret evidence, and what they find to be more compelling, more convincing...just more believable.