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Definition of Satanism
In The Biggest Secret, page 294 David Icke defines Satanism as a system of ritual sacrifice and torure, so whenever he uses this term in his books you have to keep in mind what he is actually refering to, not just anybody who has been labelled as a satanisnt because they like listening to Chicago in reverse. I think some of DI's work has been misunderstood by people who have their own ideas of what satanism is and then think that when discusses it they are talking about the same thing. I find it interesting to note that in page 297 he states the case of God telling telling Abraham to sacrfice his son but that he fails to mention that an angel is sent to stop this sacrifice occuring. This story is just showing that one man was prepared to put his faith in God above anything else. Abraham was asked to sacrifice the greatest, most precious thing in his life for God and he proved that he would do it if needed. This was tested by God, as what use is anything that is untested, and a messegner sent to prevent it actually happening, after which God forms a covenant with him as he proved worthy. David has taken only one part of this story and used it in a context that demonises Abraham and his God in a bid to prove his own point about satanism. He fails to mention the intervention of the angel as well as the subsequent covenant and therefore destroys the context of the story. Also he relates Choronzon to Chronos on page 299 without stating why. Choronzon is the demon of chaos whereas Chronos is the old god of time. On page 301 he goes along with the idea the Crowley sacrificed 150 children every year. Now let us look at this. Crowley was promoting a system that every person is a star, a centre of being, and that it is the duty of every person to find and fulfil their true will, that core being that is at the heart of every person, the soul consciousness. Now why would he actively promote such a system then kill children, who are also stars? well the literal idea is just false. Crowley was often performing ritual of an autoerotic sexual nature and the sacrifice that is refered to indicates that he achieved orgasm without causing a pregnancy. He deliberatley wrote things in a way to shock people thinking it would force them to look at what he was doing and therefore come into contect with what he was really doing, but it backfired and people took his work in a literal sense and branded him. Also when David is refering to satanic sex magic you have to remeber that he is refering to it in a way that indicates torture and suffering. Sex magic that is consentual and used to empower the subtle bodies of both people with a view to expanding their mind and positive force is not satanic as it is an act of love. I just need to find somewhere to hide from all the incoming flak now. Last edited by marpat; 29-02-2008 at 02:02 PM. |
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 Interesting post. Thank you. I often wondered myself about peoples view on this subject who believe that religions are a hoax. I thought that "when there is no satan, there couldn't be any satanism". This is definitely a good view on the topic imho. I wonder about other peoples view on this. Keep posting
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29-02-2008, 02:03 PM
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Satanism
- A make believe ambiguous religion designed to be the scapegoat for Jewish / Christian atrocities.
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Perhaps the problem is not the definition of the word "Satanism" but rather the very use of it?
The term is immediately connected to the Judeo-Christian Satan, which is only one representation of many of a much greater evil. By using the term "Satanism" especially in respect to rituals that fall outside of the Christian symbolic system, there is bound to be some confusion.
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29-02-2008, 06:55 PM
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Does anyone go to Satanic school to learn about Satan, or do people just accept nonobjective people's opinions about him/her/it? Who or what is the authority on Satan, and why?
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Nice post but you're missing David's point. The angels aren't actually angels but the winged reptilians. A reptilian intervenening to stop the sacrifice only strengthens his points. Aleister Crowley was a dark man who did try fighting his inner darkness but ultimately gave in. Chronos isn't neccessarrily the god of time, he was a titan first. You shouldn't just blindly follow wikipedia, it's an illuminati beehive. What did the Chronozon point have to do with anything? How many 400+ page books have you written lately detail the history and enslavement of man? I don't think you'd fact check minute details, you're acting like a robot right now Marpat.
Before I forget, he said satanic sex magic. Not sex magic. There is a difference he's referring to sex magic used negatively for individual power, though I must say it's not your analysis that's good, it's that you're getting out there and sharing your ideas. |
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If the book equates choronzon with chronus and this is wrong then why not mention it? it could easily cloud people mind. Plus there is a difference between chronos, time, and cronus the titan. I used the wiki links as they were accurate enough not because I trust wiki. Posting links to website is not a habit of mine as I prefer to use my own thinking but this place is getting me into that habit. It has nothing to do with writing books. The fact is if people are writing books that are supposed to be guiding people minds then they should be accurate. Loose or inaccurate ideas should not be used and I have been thumbing through a lot of them on that book, more than people would be intereted to know about in here. It is bad form to be printing inaccurate stuff then putting a price tag on it. I think it is a bit lame to assume the angel is a reptilian. That is just so convenient to say that as it would fit nicely, but there is nothing to support what you say. It's like saying oh well we are not sure of exactly what happened here but if we put it across like this then it will strengthen our case. Maybe I am a little ignorant here. Perhaps you can tell me exactly how choronzon equates with chronos as stated in that book, and how chronos and cronus are the same god. I would appreciate it if you can help me out here. Last edited by marpat; 29-02-2008 at 10:39 PM. |
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I use the term loosely.-- meaning any anti-life activity. I think David Icke, said something like, "Satanism is the ritual abuse of knowledge". But he may define it otherwise also.
Now I believe in Angels and Archangels. And I believe that these highly spirtiual beings sometimes fall from their "first estate"... and make an anti-God vow. Satan was one of these Archangels who fell. He may or may not still be around, but there are others. I believe that the prophesied anti-christ world ruller will be an incarnation of one of these fallen archangels.-- his rule is Satanic, or meant to bring us down with him. The world is very Satanic today, because it is fallen. Like Icke says.. you are infinite consciousness. Any denial of that (which is really the basis of most all society).. is Satanic, or meant to keep you down. |
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Re: [t93] Choronzon
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, ... Choronzon is the iniquity of time. Replace ISP with HGA and you can download the rest from the Aethyr.... 2:19 am Re: [t93] Choronzon 93 Just a note about Samael For the neo-gnostics (christian), Samael is the regent of Mars and the encarnation of the Avatar of this Aeon whith the name of... 7:55 pm Re: [t93] Choronzon/Uncle Sam In Greatful Dead Satanism, Uncle Sam is Uncle Samael, it is Lucifer "hiding out with a rock and roll band"! CT ps "Nine mile skin on a ten mile ride, hot as a... 7:42 am Re: [t93] Choronzon/Uncle Sam 93 I agree with Chris. I had a pretty extensive study made by Blavatsky and other writers about the relation between Bel and the characters of the Christian,... 1:51 am Re: [t93] Choronzon/Uncle Sam Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, ... Lucifer? I think Blavatsky explicitly drew a distinction between Lucifer and the devil whereas she... 2:18 am Re: [t93] Choronzon/Uncle Sam 93 I AM NOT talking about Lucifer as "devil", do you? You are right Blavtsky brightly explained the "possible" relation between Bel and YHVH, but not only as... 5:59 pm Re: [t93] Choronzon/Uncle Sam Qabalists and Gay Thelemites: http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/etschaim.htm rocks! If you look at his other sites you'll find a really masterfully done set of... 8:04 pm Changing Headings: Qabala And if I wasn't currently getting the crap kicked out of me by a flu I would have even changed the subject heading to something relevant.... Sorry about that. ... 9:09 am Re: [t93] Choronzon Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, ... or ... Interesting, what kind of neo-Gnostics? Love is the law, love under will, Cameron... 9:31 pm Re: [t93] Choronzon 93 Im referring to the Gnostic Churches of Europe and South America: first Greek Gnostics IAO-Kirie Abraxas-Kirie Phale mixed up with a lot of Egyptian ... 10:00 pm Re: [t93] Choronzon ... Ever hear of Svecchachara http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thelema93-l/message/9214 |
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On page 301 he goes along with the idea the Crowley sacrificed 150 children every year. Now let us look at this. Crowley was promoting a system that every person is a star, a centre of being, and that it is the duty of every person to find and fulfil their true will, that core being that is at the heart of every person, the soul consciousness. Now why would he actively promote such a system then kill children, who are also stars? well the literal idea is just false. Crowley was often performing ritual of an autoerotic sexual nature and the sacrifice that is refered to indicates that he achieved orgasm without causing a pregnancy. He deliberatley wrote things in a way to shock people thinking it would force them to look at what he was doing and therefore come into contect with what he was really doing, but it backfired and people took his work in a literal sense and branded him. ............................................. The vampire legends there are many variations of this from different cultures.... one is the Jewish blood libel where the Rabbi drinks the blood of a ritually sacraficed Christian child, this is ant-christ. They may have got this idea from Orientals who believed the blood and life force contained within would rejuvenate the ageing magician........this is where Crowley took his ideas from. Add the cursing and vows they make ( the Jews ) to do bad unto Christians puts it on par with the Black Satanic Mass. I've read up on both these issues so......It's easy to see the likeness. Crowley had other names and the quote from the Biggest Secret ( Icke ) Crowley is refering to himself under the name Frater Perubo, who sacraficed 150 babies in one year. BTW that's a load of codswollop! about how Crowley wanted too shock people, if you knew anything about REAL history, the times Crowley lived in the people where not prudes and not easily shocked ( think about the age of sexual consent and prostitution? ) Think this, why would he have rituals revolving around what he called "magickal masturbation" and then feel the need to make up a symbolic/allegory about ritual human sacrafice. |
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You can perhaps tell me what Crowley was really like. Perhaps you will know the truth about the man rather than the stories printed by his enemies. Do you know if anybody ever looked for all of those sacrificed children and if they found any? I guess you can give a really impartial view as you think all of the spiritual stuff is bollocks so your mind will not be biased by your personal interest. |
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