Would you leave you kids with these men?

[thetonic]

Originally Posted by william68

"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." Preaching obedience to the Roman establishment and thus Empire.

Youve mis-interpreted this saying to great measure. If anything it would support what I said earlier about the materialistic world.

Here, try this one it might help you :
John 2:15-17
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. "

The death penalty part is pointless since he sentences all of humanity in generation after generation to a slow death of old age and violence.

Christ did this? You really believe that?

Because a talking snake tricked a rib women into eating a magical apple. And given he then creates a big pit of fire to burn you without end in. For all eternity, what an asshole.

Do you have any idea what a metaphor is? Or what symbols are? Because the way you directly infer that those words mean literally what you wrote shows that you dont have any understanding

Christs teachings are whatever the elites that created this religion wanted them to be. And those who rewrote the bible over the centuries.

The elites may have created the religion, but they did not create the man, whoever he was. His teachings shine through in the whole pile of words they call ' the bible'. When you can see them for what they are, then you will know Christ.

Was this character even hung on a cross or a tree?

Werent crosses of the time made from trees?

If Yahweh is a demonic being. And this character Jesus (rabbi Yeshua BenJoseph) was Jewish and the God of the Jews is Yahweh. So you worship the devil then.

Was that really his name? Really ? You believe that?

Again, if I tell you that "the americans" voted for barack obama in 2008. Does that mean that EVERY american voted for barack obama? Do you know what a generalization is?

If those are your arguments against the existence of christ, I would seriously take another look at this information you believe and think you know.

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[stevil]

Mom do you know where my JESUS IS A CUNT T-shirt is?... It's in the wash?!...You know I had a big date tonight! What am I gonna wear now? Damn

[william68]

Yes the defacto apologetic, claim "misinterpretation." At this point there are over 32 thousand Christian sects all claiming the others are misinterpretations of the bibles in existance. Says something right there.

Your bible postings here actually proves this point further. And they do not remove the bible passages posted by me previous either. But simply demonstate the bible is Orwellian in construct. This character talks out of both corners of his mouth. This is again is shown in the massive division within the Christian religion and its history of sectarianism based warfare and repression between different Christian sects.


Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."-Colossians 3:22

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."-Romans 13:1

These passages are also plain in what they state.


One can also read hundreds of contradictions in the bible here:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_number.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/short.html

Here is another list of one thousand and one contradicitions in the bible.:
http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/

Where crosses made from trees? So are chairs, tables and paper. Note they where not stating he was crucified on a table leg here either. Rationalize the blatantly inconsistency as you wish. But you just appear more foolish.

Originally Posted by thetonic

Youve mis-interpreted this saying to great measure. If anything it would support what I said earlier about the materialistic world.

Here, try this one it might help you :
John 2:15-17
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. "

[valmar]

Originally Posted by william68

Yes the defacto apologetic, claim "misinterpretation." At this point there are over 32 thousand Christian sects all claiming the others are misinterpretations of the bibles in existance. Says something right there.

Your bible postings here actually proves this point further. And they do not remove the bible passages posted by me previous either. But simply demonstate the bible is Orwellian in construct. This character talks out of both corners of his mouth. This is again is shown in the massive division within the Christian religion and its history of sectarianism based warfare and repression between different Christian sects.


Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."-Colossians 3:22

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."-Romans 13:1

These passages are also plain in what they state.


One can also read hundreds of contradictions in the bible here:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_number.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/short.html

Here is another list of one thousand and one contradicitions in the bible.:
http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/

Where crosses made from trees? So are chairs, tables and paper. Note they where not stating he was crucified on a table leg here either. Rationalize the blatantly inconsistency as you wish. But you just appear more foolish.

Ah, the Skeptic's Annotated Bible! I love that site! It brings tears (of laughter) to my eyes! Heh heh...

[thetonic]

Originally Posted by william68

Yes the defacto apologetic, claim "misinterpretation." At this point there are over 32 thousand Christian sects all claiming the others are misinterpretations of the bibles in existance. Says something right there.

Your bible postings here actually proves this point further. And they do not remove the bible passages posted by me previous either. But simply demonstate the bible is Orwellian in construct. This character talks out of both corners of his mouth. This is again is shown in the massive division within the Christian religion and its history of sectarianism based warfare and repression between different Christian sects.


Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."-Colossians 3:22

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."-Romans 13:1

These passages are also plain in what they state.


One can also read hundreds of contradictions in the bible here:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_number.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/short.html

Here is another list of one thousand and one contradicitions in the bible.:
http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/

Where crosses made from trees? So are chairs, tables and paper. Note they where not stating he was crucified on a table leg here either. Rationalize the blatantly inconsistency as you wish. But you just appear more foolish.

Whoa ! If you think im here to defend the bible then youre sorely mistaken. In fact, I intend to dismantle it, deconstruct it, and leave it behind. Yet, I intend to keep the true message of Christ alive, reinforce it, and uphold it in the eyes of those around me. This is so that people can learn to extract the truth from within and not look to a book or a guru, or a 'god'.

I was only trying to make a point about interpretations of passages in the the text. Like I said , theres only one truth unfortunately. Which means that one of us is wrong!

And just because you cant extract any meaning from the bible does not mean its a worthless item. It will have its merits to those who can look beyond the literal.

You insist that "Christ" was fictional, yet a "jew" at the same time (thats if he existed of course! Lovely contradictions abounding! I insist that the man more than likely DID exist, however, his teachings have been stolen , forgetten, dilluted, added to, subtracted from and every other which way of subterfuge.

Why? On purpose of course! To make you miss the curve ball headed your way ! And I make no claims to know this mans 'race', 'creed' , or 'color'. I wasnt there. Were you?

What 'Christ' taught and what I gather from these texts that talk about him, not just the bible mind you, was certainly not a "religion". He taught us to extract meaning from our lives and to learn from ourselves! Does that require a book?.... NOPE. Does it require a temple to 'worship at' NOPE. How much money does that knowledge require? NONE!

Sorry if that dissapoints you. You seemed to have missed the boat on that. Its not too late though. Just remember that not every story, quote, or symbol has to conform to your belief system, no matter how truly misguided it may be

[william68]

Thats just the point. The only official book about this character named Yeshua (Christ is a Pagan term) is from a book that falls totally apart upon examination. And as a whole beyond that is depended upon belief "faith" (gullibility) first and foremost.

Its a scam.

Outside of that fact its well known, there's no credible evidence for a historical Jesus either:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Beyond this point the rest of your post is strawman rants and what I consider to honestly be the unsane mind of a fundamentalist on display. I will leave you to your bizzare, meltdown.

Originally Posted by thetonic

Whoa ! If you think im here to defend the bible then youre sorely mistaken. In fact, I intend to dismantle it, deconstruct it, and leave it behind. Yet, I intend to keep the true message of Christ alive, reinforce it, and uphold it in the eyes of those around me. This is so that people can learn to extract the truth from within and not look to a book or a guru, or a 'god'.

I was only trying to make a point about interpretations of passages in the the text. Like I said , theres only one truth unfortunately. Which means that one of us is wrong!

And just because you cant extract any meaning from the bible does not mean its a worthless item. It will have its merits to those who can look beyond the literal.

You insist that "Christ" was fictional, yet a "jew" at the same time (thats if he existed of course! Lovely contradictions abounding! I insist that the man more than likely DID exist, however, his teachings have been stolen , forgetten, dilluted, added to, subtracted from and every other which way of subterfuge.

Why? On purpose of course! To make you miss the curve ball headed your way ! And I make no claims to know this mans 'race', 'creed' , or 'color'. I wasnt there. Were you?

What 'Christ' taught and what I gather from these texts that talk about him, not just the bible mind you, was certainly not a "religion". He taught us to extract meaning from our lives and to learn from ourselves! Does that require a book?.... NOPE. Does it require a temple to 'worship at' NOPE. How much money does that knowledge require? NONE!

Sorry if that dissapoints you. You seemed to have missed the boat on that. Its not too late though. Just remember that not every story, quote, or symbol has to conform to your belief system, no matter how truly misguided it may be

[thetonic]

Originally Posted by william68

Thats just the point. The only official book about this character named Yeshua (Christ is a Pagan term) is from a book that falls totally apart upon examination. And as a whole beyond that is depended upon belief "faith" (gullibility) first and foremost.

Its a scam.

Outside of that fact its well known, there's no credible evidence for a historical Jesus either:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Beyond this point the rest of your post is strawman rants and what I consider to honestly be the unsane mind of a fundamentalist on display. I will leave you to your bizzare, meltdown.

Now were going in circles! Lovely. I leave you to it! I'll be over here melting. Have a nice day!

[valmar]

Jesus's quotes were also taken from older sayings and legends.
Buddha said many different quotes, but at least we have some tangible evidence that Buddha did exist.

Jesus Christ never truly existed. He was stolen from a mixing and matching of other god-men, including Krishna, Osiris/Horus, etc.

It's simple. I don't know about the symbology though...I need to see if the symbology is really there or if it's just a bunch of stuff also thrown in for a "finished product".