Stop Paying Income TAX & NI TAX

[_lij_]

Guys,

Enough is enough surely we must make a stand.

The reason for this post is Im looking for a solution or workaround in avoiding paying income and NI tax in the UK.

Im happy to fund the Health service (Hospitals, ambulances, dentists, doctors, nurses) Fire service, Lifeguards, Vets. The police service (somewhat).
HOWEVER Im totally against the armed forces suchas the army, Ta's, special forces, Navy, intelligence services etc.

I cannot justify the war's our governments are creating and have created, and they are committing war crimes.

Im quite aware millions have died in the trail of Bushes & Blairs escpades for no reason other than to keep TPTB in MORE power and MORE money.

I beg of someone with knowledge to help assist me and many others in evading the taxes in question that fund these corrupt pigs to do these hideous actions.

Im currently employed in a full time 'permanent' position. (Not contracting).
I need advice on moving forward with this plan.

Check this video for inspiration and ideas on whats really going on:

http://youtu.be/BxTCJAbAfec

http://youtu.be/BxTCJAbAfec

Look forward to hearing all your responses. Thanx. x

[aulus agerius]

Originally Posted by _lij_

Guys,

Enough is enough surely we must make a stand.

The reason for this post is Im looking for a solution or workaround in avoiding paying income and NI tax in the UK.

Im happy to fund the Health service (Hospitals, ambulances, dentists, doctors, nurses) Fire service, Lifeguards, Vets. The police service (somewhat).
HOWEVER Im totally against the armed forces suchas the army, Ta's, special forces, Navy, intelligence services etc.

I cannot justify the war's our governments are creating and have created, and they are committing war crimes.

Im quite aware millions have died in the trail of Bushes & Blairs escpades for no reason other than to keep TPTB in MORE power and MORE money.

I beg of someone with knowledge to help assist me and many others in evading the taxes in question that fund these corrupt pigs to do these hideous actions.

Im currently employed in a full time 'permanent' position. (Not contracting).
I need advice on moving forward with this plan.

Look forward to hearing all your responses. Thanx. x

In the UK, if you are employed full time, you can't simply "not pay" NI or income tax. Both are deducted from your pay via the PAYE system each month before your wages are paid to you. You cannot opt out of PAYE if you are employed.

Even if you were able to withhold taxes, you would need to calculate how much to withhold: Defence is 35.3 Bn out of 501.9 bn overall, but it varies every year. If you were able to and did withhold some of your taxes, Customs and Revenue would take action to recover the outstanding money. Taxation in the UK is not optional. In order to do what you propose you ought to be prepared to be a martyr for your cause.

[jlord]

There is no known proven way to avoid the application of the law. In terms of trying to make a stand I would suggest that the political process would be a better bet than the legal process. One reason being that there is proven way to change laws through the political process. Another reason being that participation in the political process does not entail the same risk of being punished by state that is inherent with not following the tax laws.

[moobs]

Originally Posted by _lij_

Guys,

Enough is enough surely we must make a stand.

The reason for this post is Im looking for a solution or workaround in avoiding paying income and NI tax in the UK.

Im happy to fund the Health service (Hospitals, ambulances, dentists, doctors, nurses) Fire service, Lifeguards, Vets. The police service (somewhat).
HOWEVER Im totally against the armed forces suchas the army, Ta's, special forces, Navy, intelligence services etc.

I cannot justify the war's our governments are creating and have created, and they are committing war crimes.

Im quite aware millions have died in the trail of Bushes & Blairs escpades for no reason other than to keep TPTB in MORE power and MORE money.

I beg of someone with knowledge to help assist me and many others in evading the taxes in question that fund these corrupt pigs to do these hideous actions.

Im currently employed in a full time 'permanent' position. (Not contracting).
I need advice on moving forward with this plan.

Check this video for inspiration and ideas on whats really going on:

http://youtu.be/BxTCJAbAfec

Look forward to hearing all your responses. Thanx. x

I'm puzzled.

Do you want to "make a stand," as you describe it, or do you just personally not want to pay income and NI taxes? They're not the same thing.

[undeadcreature]

Originally Posted by _lij_

Guys,

Enough is enough surely we must make a stand.

The reason for this post is Im looking for a solution or workaround in avoiding paying income and NI tax in the UK.

Im happy to fund the Health service (Hospitals, ambulances, dentists, doctors, nurses) Fire service, Lifeguards, Vets. The police service (somewhat).
HOWEVER Im totally against the armed forces suchas the army, Ta's, special forces, Navy, intelligence services etc.

I cannot justify the war's our governments are creating and have created, and they are committing war crimes.

Im quite aware millions have died in the trail of Bushes & Blairs escpades for no reason other than to keep TPTB in MORE power and MORE money.

I beg of someone with knowledge to help assist me and many others in evading the taxes in question that fund these corrupt pigs to do these hideous actions.

Im currently employed in a full time 'permanent' position. (Not contracting).
I need advice on moving forward with this plan.

Check this video for inspiration and ideas on whats really going on:

http://youtu.be/BxTCJAbAfec

Look forward to hearing all your responses. Thanx. x

You would need to be self employed to have any control over how much tax and NI you pay.
But if you say you don't have a problem with paying towards the health services, then you should not have a problem with paying NI as it's probably the only "tax" that goes towards a specific purpose.

Even if you are not required to pay income tax because you don't earn enough, you still have to pay consumption taxes either directly or indirectly.

The services you mentioned are funded by the local councils responsible for them.

So unless you are prepared for the consequences of evading tax, the only lawful way to not pay is earn below the tax threshold and avoid buying anything with a tax attached to it.

[msbpunk]

It's deducted at source if you are employed. So just quit your job and take up self employment. Maybe you could check out TPUC and get some advice on this from John Harris.

[andyh]

Originally Posted by msbpunk

It's deducted at source if you are employed. So just quit your job and take up self employment.

Yep thats all there is to it.
Self employment is literally the legal way to avoid paying tax. Everybody ought to be doing it.

[uprising]

Originally Posted by moobs

I'm puzzled.

Do you want to "make a stand," as you describe it, or do you just personally not want to pay income and NI taxes? They're not the same thing.

Maybe he's killing two birds with one stone.

[killmicrosoft]

Make wars history was taken down over a year ago and have not herd anything since

[thecatsmeow]

So far as I know you can tell your employer you want to be responsible for paying your own tax and insurance. Anyway, if I'm wrong, I should think you'll find the answers here.

Edit: You might also get an alternative viewpoint on tpuc.org

[paganoflight]

I would love to live a life without having to pay income taxes...and without having to ever look at and touch money again.

But you see, there's a problem: the existance of fire-arms in the hands of robotic humans who *force* us to do these things against our will, under the threat of death, pain, and/or imprisonment.

Only a ginormous metaphysical event will take us out of this paradigm. A revolution won't do it. Too many people are completely immersed within their brainwashing.

[happy sheeple]

Originally Posted by paganoflight

I would love to live a life without having to pay income taxes...and without having to ever look at and touch money again.

But you see, there's a problem: the existance of fire-arms in the hands of robotic humans who *force* us to do these things against our will, under the threat of death, pain, and/or imprisonment.

Only a ginormous metaphysical event will take us out of this paradigm. A revolution won't do it. Too many people are completely immersed within their brainwashing.

As far as i can see there is nothing to stop you avoiding both tax and money, all you need is a product or service others need and a big enough group of people to provide it to or exchange essential needs with. there are already many people doing this.
You did rather spoil this post for me however by showing your own considerable brainwashery contained within the last two paragraphs. You have been brainwashed to think that two or more people can live without any rules written or unwritten despite knowing this is just not possible. A quick look at any two senitent life-forms will confirm this fact.
Just because you wish to live in barter town and think it is the perfect way to live does not mean we all wish to live this way. Why do you think this way of living died out for the vast majority of humans?

[jon galt]

one of the things i don't like about income tax is this, a company can deduct running costs and losses from its tax, i feel that necessities, ie food, shelter, should also be be deductible from a wage before tax. that is, if a wage should be taxed at all, the way i see it is a person exchanges his labor, or free time, for a wage, any tax on this is a tax on labor or free time, i feel this is wrong. it would be more appropriate to me to tax profit, although this would probably cause a rise in the price of goods and may have the same net effect.

[captainindustry]

As usual I've got no useful answer to the question, but I just thought I'd clarify something everybody should no by now. Your tax money does not go to funding wars, lazy people on benefits, the NHS or anything else the media would have you believe it does.

All government funds come in the form of loans from the bank of england, your tax money goes to pay back the interest (not the principal) on these loans and this is the source of pretty much every economic and social problem we have in this country and abroad.

My understanding of income tax and NI is that by accepting a position within a company you create a contract to pay tax and NI and so as others have said the only real way around this is to go self employed, which is easier said than done.

[mpe_solution]

Originally Posted by captainindustry

As usual I've got no useful answer to the question, but I just thought I'd clarify something everybody should no by now. Your tax money does not go to funding wars, lazy people on benefits, the NHS or anything else the media would have you believe it does.

All government funds come in the form of loans from the bank of england, your tax money goes to pay back the interest (not the principal) on these loans and this is the source of pretty much every economic and social problem we have in this country and abroad.

BINGO!

What lawful consideration does the BofE give up commensurable with the debt they have falsified to themselves? They are pretending to loan something they don't have, and which certainly doesn't comprise a debt to the BoE.

Dear Bank of England,

We have been reviewing the http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/ and a
request by Ms Karen Lucas, 22 February 2011,
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/in...

This has brought much debate in our online forums @
http://www.endtheboe.ning.com/
http://www.endtheecb.ning.com/
http://www.endthefedusa.ning.com/

In this case we have seen varied responses and have sort
independent advise from a gentlemen by the name of Mike Montagne —
founder, PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy™,
author/engineer of mathematically perfected economy™ (1979) who has
kindly advised that the worlds economies are finite and that
regulation in the UK by the FSA & MPC can only temper an inherently
terminal process.

So our questions are as follows:

1) What lawful consideration do you claim the BoE gives up when it
creates money ?

2) How then does the bank (or does the bank) claim there is a debt
to the bank ?

3) What is the claim to interest then, when the bank can do no more
than absorb the costs of merely publishing evidence of our
promissory obligations *to each other* ?

4) How is it possible even to maintain a vital circulation without
accumulating inevitably terminal sums of debt ?

Please we do not require evasive in answering to *whether* money is
subject to interest in any regular conduit by which either the
government or the people can "borrow" "money" into circulation. Of
course currently we know well that there's no way we can acquire
"money" from "the bank" but by "borrowing" it (even as in the
beginning or its creation, it never existed before), and that of
course, "the borrowing" is currently subject to "interest."
Furthermore then, If the BoE claims (without demonstrating *how*)
that interest is charged to fight "inflation" (by which it means
*either* circulatory inflation, or [more likely,] *price
inflation*). But of course, if staving circulatory inflation were
the issue, it would just limit the amount of additional borrowing
(above what would only *maintain* the vital circulation).

On the other hand, if it were actually meaning to eradicate *the
additional costs* imposed upon "the economy" by *price
inflation*... then instead of imposing interest, they would
eradicate interest, because in multiplying the sum of
artificial/falsified indebtedness to the BoE, "interest" therefore
*is the cause* of price inflation, because in driving up the costs
of servicing debt, these costs, imposed upon industry, force
industry to raise its prices, merely to maintain vital margins of
solubility.

Please if you could answer the above four [4] questions ONLY points
by point.

Yours faithfully,
Mark-Lee of the Giles family

See their answer below
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...ncoming-169370

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by captainindustry

As usual I've got no useful answer to the question, but I just thought I'd clarify something everybody should no by now. Your tax money does not go to funding wars, lazy people on benefits, the NHS or anything else the media would have you believe it does.

All government funds come in the form of loans from the bank of england, your tax money goes to pay back the interest (not the principal) on these loans and this is the source of pretty much every economic and social problem we have in this country and abroad.

My understanding of income tax and NI is that by accepting a position within a company you create a contract to pay tax and NI and so as others have said the only real way around this is to go self employed, which is easier said than done.

Most of uk or in fact any countries debt is in the form of government bonds. We are in debt because government spending is more than what the government raises in tax. Look at the us who owns their debt, the fed or is it china?

[captainindustry]

Originally Posted by jon galt

Most of uk or in fact any countries debt is in the form of government bonds. We are in debt because government spending is more than what the government raises in tax. Look at the us who owns their debt, the fed or is it china?

What you say is true China own huge quantities of many western government bonds and we can't pay them back. The reason for this is we don't even issue our own currency, we borrow it from an effectively private institution even though it is ours in the first place.

Good point above about tax deductable running costs though.

[jon galt]

what is a person registers a business, contracting out there services, would this allow for them to do there own tax deducting expenses and losses. ie if you worked for a company in the capacity as a company(a privet contractor) instead of an individual?
i respect that this idea may be complete nonsense but is quite similar to say an employment agency

[ytch]

Stop Paying Income TAX & NI TAX...

No can do...
...cause I never started to...

[undeadcreature]

Originally Posted by jon galt

what is a person registers a business, contracting out there services, would this allow for them to do there own tax deducting expenses and losses. ie if you worked for a company in the capacity as a company(a privet contractor) instead of an individual?
i respect that this idea may be complete nonsense but is quite similar to say an employment agency

It wouldn't really benefit you in the long run.
If you register your business as a limited company you would no longer be its owner, you would become an employee and would have to be paid a set salary (which you can control as the companies director) which you would still have to pay tax and NI on. Any profit you make afterwards would get taxed as well so you could end up paying more tax than you would as being self employed.