What has religion done for mankind?

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by exu156

Damn! You had the virgins and I had the babies. Next time just come out to the Bohemian Grove and hang out with George and I. You know that being a Satanist you are automatically invited. If any of the security guards approach you just tell them:

"I am a Satanist"

and they will activate the secret Nazi UFO that's hiding in the underground base and it will pick you up. If are unsure how to get to the Bohemian Grove and you need directions just follow the chemtrails. See you at the next mass-sacrificing orgy but just be careful with Dick Cheney. The man is a sex animal.

Lol! Great advice! "Just follow the chemtrails". Hahahahahahaha!

I'm actually exploring outside of Satanism, to be honest. I'm going further back and dumping the Christian and Hebrew baggage. I'm looking into pre-Christian polytheism.

[chip1]

The Final Judgment IS ONE ON ONE I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE...

GOOD OR BAD THERE IS NOTHING IN BETWEEN...

121

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by arjuna12

Me too, I'm afraid

What you are afraid?That's not what you tld me in a previous post. You were full of confidence.

[chip1]

Originally Posted by exu156

what a typical and unsurprising brush-off. Well done. :d

the brush-off...

Brothers really understand spiritual help...

Other family fights...

That"s the bridge - between brothers and those that fight...

The... Would be... To his eternal...

To those that are dead and dying...


Brothers are over that bridge...

The eternal is denying that this bridge exists...

Deny and be denied... See the difference you...

That bridge has been crossed...

It can be done...

That"s why i give spiritual help...

To be accepted and not denied...

YOU...


YOUR ONE UNDERSTANDING... OF GOOD AND BAD THAT"S IN THE IMAGE YOU CARRY...

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by exu156

go fuck yourself you brainless fundie and this is where our conversation will end.

A fundie? Because we are concerned about Crowley's association with child murder and recent investigations which claim the OTO formed an elite network to abuse children.

FFS Exu, stop talking shite.

This is exactly what David Icke writes about, is he a Christian fundamentalist too?

It was David Icke who got me clued up about all this stuff.

And it's his forum btw.

It sounds to me like you've been brainwashed or something to believe that all who oppose evil are 'fundies'.

Is that what they teach you in the OTO?


Oh well.... LIES from a liar who follows another liar who wrote a book called 'The book of lies'.

Quelle surprise!

Lies are your stock in trade. You're here to LIE for the OTO. Just another institutionalised LIAR that keeps the evil forces who perpetuate LIES in power on this planet.

[exu156]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

A fundie? Because we are concerned about Crowley's association with child murder and recent investigations which claim the OTO formed an elite network to abuse children.

No, because you make allegations based on lies (or based out of thin air). Because you support your claims based on evidence which was totally and publicly discredited in a legal court. Because you side with people who make the most bizarre claims and because you will side with anyone which will pander to your deluded view of reality. Otherwise, if you were not just a mere fundie, you would have the evidence (extracted from credible sources) which would support your wild claims. You do not, so that makes you a funny fundie.

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

FFS Exu, stop talking shite.

This is exactly what David Icke writes about, is he a Christian fundamentalist too?

It was David Icke who got me clued up about all this stuff.

And it's his forum btw.

I don't give a flying fuck what David Icke talks about. I say what I want. I was not aware that David Icke was a cult where all must believe what he says. Fuck that! If the moderators are not happy with my words or what I post then please feel free to ban me. It's of no concern.

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

It sounds to me like you've been brainwashed or something to believe that all who oppose evil are 'fundies'.

Is that what they teach you in the OTO?

Looking in the mirror right about now would do you a world of good

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Oh well.... LIES from a liar who follows another liar who wrote a book called 'The book of lies'.

Quelle surprise!

Lies are your stock in trade. You're here to LIE for the OTO. Just another institutionalised LIAR that keeps the evil forces who perpetuate LIES in power on this planet.

Hmm that's funny. I'm not the one making allegations based on nonsense that was discredited in a legal court and shown to be "malicious fabrications".
But of course I understand; the Australian police, the Australian Federal police and the Australian courts were all conspiring with the O.T.O.

Are you an absolute nut? Oh yeah!

Are you a deluded fundie? Oh yeah!

Are you yet another blind fanatic? Oh absolutely!

Have a nice day

[arjuna12]

Originally Posted by passerbye999

What you are afraid?That's not what you tld me in a previous post. You were full of confidence.

It's a figure of speech, dude

[arjuna12]

Originally Posted by exu156

Otherwise, if you were not just a mere fundie, you would have the evidence (extracted from credible sources) which would support your wild claims.

There's a lot of people making a lot of wild claims, exu (as you well know).
Most of them are not Christian, BTW.

Can you explain to me their motivation for doing so.
All these so-called 'victims' making so-called 'accusations' against so-called 'abusers'.
Why?

Do they all have some burning hatred of satanism/secret societies/occult groups etc (including the countless children who wouldn't have a concept of a secret society?)

Are they all crazy?

What's going on, exu?

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by exu156

mere fundie, you a funny fundie.
an absolute nut? a deluded fundie? another blind fanatic?

Pffft!

Children's rapes: The end of silence ? (1/9) - YouTube

Children's rapes: The end of silence ? (1/9) - YouTube

[christ4life]

It is not about religion I think it is more about faith, and how God has helped people in life. Less drama, worry, and stress in life. Things that mattered before just don't matter anymore. The wordly life is a like a prison how free do people really feel?

[exu156]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Pffft!



Children's rapes: The end of silence ? (1/9) - YouTube

This case came up in the mid 90's and there is much information that needs to covered.

Marie, the oldest of the girls said:
"my dad was the chief, a chief called "BUCNUBU", they had long white robe, with golden trim, they used to pray, rape the kids and scare us, and other people raped us too, put us to sleep by giving us a mixture, then they tied us on tables and beat us, and were puting needles near our eyes, to scare us, like they wanted to poke our eyes out".

This is an interesting comment because white robes with gold trim are not used in the O.T.O.. In fact no O.T.O. ceremony involves this type of robe and the O.T.O. is very specific about it's robes due to the symbolism.

In the original case Pierre, the youngest one, drew a red robe with a cross. This again is interesting because it is not a part of O.T.O. apparel (and certainly not the apparel of any Satanic groups). What it does resemble is the costumes worn by priests.

In March 1996, the oldest girl Marie says that "Pierre is in danger and that dad does with his brother what ususally men do with women"

The mother called the police who went looking for the little boy at the dad's home. Medical exams are done on both the girls but the exams didn't show anything. The kids continued to show signs of psychological distress so the mother took them to a doctor for another clinical examination. The result of the exam was 'normal' and both girls showed no signs of sexual abuse.

No medical examination could demonstrate that there was rape. In fact the both examinations concluded that Marie was having normal abdominal pain.

Marie also described what went on in her father's apartment and stated that children were filmed being sacrificed and that the tapes were taken to a particular sex shop. Marie described where the sex shop was situated. Police searched the area but declared that there never was a sex shop in that area. Furthermore a thorough search of the father's apartment fails to find any evidence of any tapes or any wrong doing.

In October of 1996, the case is transfered to the "Brigade des Mineurs" ( a child protection branch for minors), in Paris and a more intensive investigation begins. Police wiretap not only the telephone of the father but also the telephone of many of his friends and associates. The investigation failed to uncover any criminal activity.

Minors' Brigade found nothing that corroborates the testimony of the children. Nevertheless, on 6 March 1997 the father was indicted by the judge settled on the other side of the Seine for:

"Rapes of minors under 15 years.
Sexual assaults on minors.
Corruption of minors."

You will note that there is no mention of sexual ritual abuse and you will also note that no one else was charged.

But there is more to this case. In 1998 the presiding Judge commented on the allegations of ritual abuse,

"it appears inconceivable that within these groups there may be as stated Marie "children's heads at the end of peaks that are on fire, a head and hands of children cut and jars on a table containing the hands of children. Whereas on the other hand, that Peter had said during the confrontation that women also put their willys in his mouth and his backside, this is clearly physically impossible. For these reasons, we reject the further investigations requested by M. Lardon-Galeote"

Mr.Smadja Epstein, the counsel for the father of Pierre and Marie, did not accept the children's stories based on medical advise. He rejected them not because he thought they were hallucinations but just the imagination of children.

"Absolutely no one believed the story of these children and in fact we could not believe it. Why can't we believe in it? First because they said initially the father was just violent, and not at all that he had committed sexual abuse. Then sexual violence gradually worsened to the point that one day,
and that's how it all began, they said their father was part of a sect and that sect, there were men and women around a hotel where there were statues, severed heads and hands from children, where there were children running naked in a room ...all that is comic strip!

And at such a point that nobody believed! we found in comic strips exactly the same style as the words of children: Tintin, "the black label", "cigars of the pharaoh", where there are quite violent scenes, they seemed at the base very influenced, even unconsciously, by the mother, and then they have drawn in comic books, in television and in Tintin. In "The Blue Lotus", in "black label", they found scenes of cult, for it is mainly the sect, look especially they spoke in particular of draped people, with phrases we found in the comics."

Not finished yet. I have much more information concerning this case.

[blackyblue]

Originally Posted by exu156

Let's go through this lump of turd slowly.



So right here we have the agenda. Crowley as 'arch-Satanist. Even though the man was not a Satanist. Then we get the most absurd claim of all, that the O.T.O. uses sex rituals to create and harness Vril. This is amusing because assuming that Vril is the central focus of the work it is incredible that Crowley never mentions it in any of his writings. Then the author attempts to connect Crowley with Guido von List and Lanz von Liebenfels of the Thule society. Nothing could be more ridiculous.

The Thule Society was quasi-religious political organization obsessed with racial purity. In fact it's oath states:

""The signer hereby swears to the best of his knowledge and belief that no Jewish or coloured blood flows in either his or in his wife's veins, and that among their ancestors are no members of the coloured races."

One recruit named Rudolf von Sebottendorf, who like to engage in occultism was soon disappointed because the followers of the Thule Society were, by Sebottendorff's own admission, little interested in occultist theories, instead they were interested in racism and combating Jews and Communists. [Source: Phelps, Reginald H. 1963. "'Before Hitler Came': Thule Society and Germanen Orden". Journal of Modern History 35]

The Thule Society had nothing to do with the O.T.O. or the Golden Dawn and Crowley had absolutely zero interest in Vril or Nazism. It is an absurd allegation unsupported by evidence.



Absolute nonsense again. Wine bottles as a symbol of the Hermetic Cross is not the Badge of Power in the Order of the Golden Dawn. It is no wonder the author provides no source for this claim because it is absolute nonsense.



Absolute and total rubbish! An amazing claim if you consider that as soon as Hitler came to power (remembering of course that Hitler was a Christian) he banned the O.T.O. and threw the head of the O.T.O. in Germany into a concentration camp.

Here is the arrest record for Karl Germer (then head of Crowley's O.T.O. in Germany). He was placed in a concentration camp for associating with Aleister Crowley:



It states:

13. Februar 1935: "Sie haben durch die ständige Verbindung mit dem im Ausland lebenden Hochgradfreimaurer Crowley dessen staatsfeindlichen Umtriebe unterstützt und durch die Verbreitung seiner Lehre versucht, in Deutschland Anhänger für ihn zu werben."

"You have supported the subversive activities of freemason Crowley, now living abroad, by consistently keeping in contact; and by spreading his teachings you have tried to recruit disciples for him in Germany."

But damn, why let facts get in the way of a good fundie story?

Furthermore, it sure is funny that since Crowley was such a fan of Hitler that he would curse Hitler even publishing the curse in a pamphlet titled 'THUMBS UP!'.



This is a difficult pamphlet to find anywhere but I have it and you can download it here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?9uo03k4u4cdn9vm




The reptilians were on the line? Do I even need to comment on this nonsense? I will do no further dis-service to my mind and time by even attempting to engage this in serious discussion.



A terrible interpretation of the book and it's verses. The Book of the Law is an internal document and revelation. It has absolutely nothing to with external politics, conflicts etc. The book does detail the changes in Aeons but it does not demand that the world be bathed in blood. Far from it! In fact, as World War I approached Crowley became very worried that humanity would degrade further back into barbarism rather than progress. He saw no value in the World Wars and was fearful of them.



Do I really need to comment on this nonsense?



This is a classic example of deception by the author. The quote he uses was not written concerning the Book of the Law or war, or politics, or Hitler, or Nazism, or reptilians for that matter. It was in fact written at one of his lowest points in life. Read the damn thing in context. He wrote this after his daughter had died and after he had lost his beloved Rose. He was writing this in anger, in despair and in terrible personal loss. Christ you conspiracy nuts are liars!



Muahahahahahahahahahaha what a nut!



The nonsense just never ends. Time for the man to speak:

"This dreaded war concerns me deeply and it saddens me greatly that it might just obliterate our work. There is a dark veil coming. I tremble before it and place my hopes and prayers upon the Gods that it shall somehow be averted." [Source: Aleister Crowley Confessions quoting his diaries]



Unsubstantiated, unsupported and unsourced comments like this really deserve no comment. Utter nonsense!

So there you have it. That's what I think of that article.

It was David Ickes work from the biggest secret, chapter 12

[exu156]

Originally Posted by blackyblue

It was David Ickes work from the biggest secret, chapter 12

I am well aware where it came from. All I had to do was copy and paste the article on google and I quickly got the source.

And what a load of shit it is.

Or are you also part of the Icke cult? Where everything he says must be believed? Sorry but I have always been taught to question everything. I won't be changing anytime soon. If any moderators find this unacceptable then please ban me. No problem

[blackyblue]

Originally Posted by exu156

Or are you also part of the Icke cult? Where everything he says must be believed? Sorry but I have always been taught to question everything. I won't be changing anytime soon. If any moderators find this unacceptable then please ban me. No problem

No, i am not part of any cult.

And i dont think disagreeing with David Icke is a banning offense

[arjuna12]

Originally Posted by exu156

This case came up in the mid 90's and there is much information that needs to covered.

Marie, the oldest of the girls said:
"my dad was the chief, a chief called "BUCNUBU", they had long white robe, with golden trim, they used to pray, rape the kids and scare us, and other people raped us too, put us to sleep by giving us a mixture, then they tied us on tables and beat us, and were puting needles near our eyes, to scare us, like they wanted to poke our eyes out".

This is an interesting comment because white robes with gold trim are not used in the O.T.O.. In fact no O.T.O. ceremony involves this type of robe and the O.T.O. is very specific about it's robes due to the symbolism.

In the original case Pierre, the youngest one, drew a red robe with a cross. This again is interesting because it is not a part of O.T.O. apparel (and certainly not the apparel of any Satanic groups). What it does resemble is the costumes worn by priests.

In March 1996, the oldest girl Marie says that "Pierre is in danger and that dad does with his brother what ususally men do with women"

The mother called the police who went looking for the little boy at the dad's home. Medical exams are done on both the girls but the exams didn't show anything. The kids continued to show signs of psychological distress so the mother took them to a doctor for another clinical examination. The result of the exam was 'normal' and both girls showed no signs of sexual abuse.

No medical examination could demonstrate that there was rape. In fact the both examinations concluded that Marie was having normal abdominal pain.

Marie also described what went on in her father's apartment and stated that children were filmed being sacrificed and that the tapes were taken to a particular sex shop. Marie described where the sex shop was situated. Police searched the area but declared that there never was a sex shop in that area. Furthermore a thorough search of the father's apartment fails to find any evidence of any tapes or any wrong doing.

In October of 1996, the case is transfered to the "Brigade des Mineurs" ( a child protection branch for minors), in Paris and a more intensive investigation begins. Police wiretap not only the telephone of the father but also the telephone of many of his friends and associates. The investigation failed to uncover any criminal activity.

Minors' Brigade found nothing that corroborates the testimony of the children. Nevertheless, on 6 March 1997 the father was indicted by the judge settled on the other side of the Seine for:

"Rapes of minors under 15 years.
Sexual assaults on minors.
Corruption of minors."

You will note that there is no mention of sexual ritual abuse and you will also note that no one else was charged.

But there is more to this case. In 1998 the presiding Judge commented on the allegations of ritual abuse,

"it appears inconceivable that within these groups there may be as stated Marie "children's heads at the end of peaks that are on fire, a head and hands of children cut and jars on a table containing the hands of children. Whereas on the other hand, that Peter had said during the confrontation that women also put their willys in his mouth and his backside, this is clearly physically impossible. For these reasons, we reject the further investigations requested by M. Lardon-Galeote"

Mr.Smadja Epstein, the counsel for the father of Pierre and Marie, did not accept the children's stories based on medical advise. He rejected them not because he thought they were hallucinations but just the imagination of children.

"Absolutely no one believed the story of these children and in fact we could not believe it. Why can't we believe in it? First because they said initially the father was just violent, and not at all that he had committed sexual abuse. Then sexual violence gradually worsened to the point that one day,
and that's how it all began, they said their father was part of a sect and that sect, there were men and women around a hotel where there were statues, severed heads and hands from children, where there were children running naked in a room ...all that is comic strip!

And at such a point that nobody believed! we found in comic strips exactly the same style as the words of children: Tintin, "the black label", "cigars of the pharaoh", where there are quite violent scenes, they seemed at the base very influenced, even unconsciously, by the mother, and then they have drawn in comic books, in television and in Tintin. In "The Blue Lotus", in "black label", they found scenes of cult, for it is mainly the sect, look especially they spoke in particular of draped people, with phrases we found in the comics."

Not finished yet. I have much more information concerning this case.

I have said this elsewhere, but it's worth repeating...
Funny how all the therapists in the doco said in their opinion, there is no way the children could have made this up, yet you, exu156, are saying they are!

Yet you believe the fathers lawyer who makes out they got the stories from Tintin!

You're clutching at straws here, exu!!!

The triangle in the circle is widely used by occult groups. Here you can some examples:
http://www.quora.com/Symbolism/What-...er-of-a-circle

[exu156]

Originally Posted by arjuna12

I have said this elsewhere, but it's worth repeating...
Funny how all the therapists in the doco said in their opinion, there is no way the children could have made this up, yet you, exu156, are saying they are!

Yet you believe the fathers lawyer who makes out they got the stories from Tintin!

You're clutching at straws here, exu!!!

The triangle in the circle is widely used by occult groups. Here you can some examples:
http://www.quora.com/Symbolism/What-...er-of-a-circle

And I have said it elsewhere and its worth repeating (God knows why you have two threads running on this, does it make you feel more important?) that:

Dude they found the comics! They found the stories the kids were reading which detailed exactly what they were telling police. Furthermore, the father's lawyer was not the only person who rejected their testimony once the evidence started to come out. The presiding judge (that's right, the person who sent the father to prison) rejected the children's claims.

There is much more to this story and I will be glad to get more into it once I finish work because it is a very interesting and important case.

[blackyblue]

Originally Posted by exu156

And I have said it elsewhere and its worth repeating (God knows why you have two threads running on this, does it make you feel more important?) that:

Dude they found the comics! They found the stories the kids were reading which detailed exactly what they were telling police. Furthermore, the father's lawyer was not the only person who rejected their testimony once the evidence started to come out. The presiding judge (that's right, the person who sent the father to prison) rejected the children's claims.

There is much more to this story and I will be glad to get more into it once I finish work because it is a very interesting and important case.

End of the day EXU, you can find sites that speak a load of drivel trying to tarnish Aleister Crowley, and on the flip side of the coign you can find a load of rubbish that paints the man a hero.

End of the day Crowley was from a wealthy upper-class family whom just wanted to become famous.

"For many years I had loathed being called Alick, partly because of the unpleasant sound and sight of the word, partly because it was the name by which my mother called me. Edward did not seem to suit me and the diminutives Ted or Ned were even less appropriate. Alexander was too long and Sandy suggested tow hair and freckles. I had read in some book or other that the most favourable name for becoming famous was one consisting of a dactyl followed by a spondee, as at the end of a hexameter: like Jeremy Taylor. Aleister Crowley fulfilled these conditions and Aleister is the Gaelic form of Alexander. To adopt it would satisfy my romantic ideals."

The one thing i note, is why a greek form of 'Alexander'? 'Alexander the great'.

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by blackyblue

End of the day EXU, you can find sites that speak a load of drivel trying to tarnish Aleister Crowley

There's no need to speak a load of drivel to tarnish the man. It's all in his own words. These websites you speak of have merely gone through the man's own writings

The drivel you speak of is Crowley's own supporters who try to whitewash the man and make him into something he never was, a spiritual leader.

[blackyblue]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

There's no need to speak a load of drivel to tarnish the man. It's all in his own words. These websites you speak of have merely gone through the man's own writings.

Some of it is a load of Drivel.

Not saying the man is a hero.

In my opinion he was a spoilt brat with a drug habit that was disliked by all that where closest to him and was something of a reprobate that suffered some complex mental health problems and some serious issues. Probably suffered great anxiety issues and 'had' to be better than everyone else and just wanted to be famous.

He had some great qualities. A fondness of nature, loved mountaineering, was a fantastic chess player, almost a genius in certain fields. He also had a lot of unadmirable traits, i for one think he was very disrespectful in many ways to others, he was arrogant ignorant and selfish. I think his sexual desires where totally inappropriate and disgusting, hense why 'white stains' got confinscated by customs and exiles and the suspicions Crowley may be a peadophile where born.
Crowley was also banned from many countries in his younger years, including Italy and France, this could have been due to his association with Mi5

He was Human

[arjuna12]

Originally Posted by exu156

And I have said it elsewhere and its worth repeating (God knows why you have two threads running on this, does it make you feel more important?) that:

Dude they found the comics! They found the stories the kids were reading which detailed exactly what they were telling police. Furthermore, the father's lawyer was not the only person who rejected their testimony once the evidence started to come out. The presiding judge (that's right, the person who sent the father to prison) rejected the children's claims.

There is much more to this story and I will be glad to get more into it once I finish work because it is a very interesting and important case.

Wasn't aware it was my thread exu.

That you can watch this documentary complete with clearly traumatised children drawing their experiences with SRA and claim they got it from Tintin comics, exposes you for what you are... one sick fuck!

You've proven who you really are now exu. You've shot yourself in the foot and with the rope you've been given, hanged yourself!

As edelveiss_pirate has rightly pointed out on another thread, every French child has read Tintin and they don't come up with the stories these children have with the clearly traumatised emotion.

That you choose to believe the fathers lawyer and ignore the many therapists who said it was impossible for the children to make it up, shows where you are coming from...

HELL!!!
May you turn from your evil ways before you drop dead.
(I'm still praying for you exu156)