What has religion done for mankind?

[bishadi]

So What has religion done for mankind? (stollen thread idea (discloser))

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"For thousands of years people continue to believe in religions and let it control there life sometimes to the point of pure insanity, so where has religion got us then?

What has it actually achieved?

Has it made the world a better place?

Has it just caused more wars than there would have been had it not existed?

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RELIGION?

Religious people think some how they are better than you if you dont follow there chosen brain washing program, how very sad this world can be.

"

[edelweiss pirate]

The idea of free will.

Without religion there would be no such concept.

Freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, privacy, and the right to fight against oppression.

These concepts were all expressed in religion.

Hence we have the phrase 'God given rights'.



Anyone who argues the contrary hasn't done enough historical analysis.

You only have to look at life in ancient Egypt to see what abject slavery was all about.

It was the Abrahamic faiths which toppled the supreme authority of a Pharoah figure and his elite priests.

People no longer had to toil for a megalomaniac king building his pyramids and temples while their bones are broken and they are and buried in the sand.

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by bishadi

So What has religion done for mankind? (stollen thread idea (discloser))

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"For thousands of years people continue to believe in religions and let it control there life sometimes to the point of pure insanity, so where has religion got us then?

What has it actually achieved?

Has it made the world a better place?

Has it just caused more wars than there would have been had it not existed?

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RELIGION?

Religious people think some how they are better than you if you dont follow there chosen brain washing program, how very sad this world can be.

"

Hi bishadi, I agree religion has caused a lot of confusion and suffering. Faith and spirituality though are good things. Religion controls the mind whereas faith liberates the spirit. You may ask faith in what? The Creator, yourself and mankind. Religion is based off of astrology yet fundamentalists view the mythology as actual historical happenings.

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

The idea of free will.

Without religion there would be no such concept.

Freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, privacy, and the right to fight against oppression.

These concepts were all expressed in religion.

Hence we have the phrase 'God given rights'.



Anyone who argues the contrary hasn't done enough historical analysis.

You only have to look at life in ancient Egypt to see what abject slavery was all about.

It was the Abrahamic faiths which toppled the supreme authority of a Pharoah figure and his elite priests.

People no longer had to toil for a megalomaniac king building his pyramids and temples while their bones are broken and they are left broken and buried in the sand.

It has been shown there was probably no slavery in the building of the pyramids and the Egyptions looked after there people quite well. Why would Moses have taken all the secrets of Egypt with him otherwise? Joseph was accepted into the fold as well Egyptians were actually very tolerant.

[bishadi]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

The idea of free will.

is that when women decided to eat from any tree?

and taught the man!?!?

Without religion there would be no such concept.

really....

so before any religion, mankind was required to be a pawn to ......?????

Freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, privacy, and the right to fight against oppression.

religions have oppressed more people than any single guise on this earth.

heck, see the middle east (jeruselem) as an example!!!!

These concepts were all expressed in religion.

Hence we have the phrase 'God given rights'.

is the ability to 'lie' a right?

i mean, if you found out that what you believe as a godhead, is actually not and has been a lie the whole time, then what?

Anyone who argues the contrary hasn't done enough historical analysis.

by reading your post, you just pointed out the evidence of ignorance.

the inquisitions alone show more human abuse to human beings under the guise of religion, than any history ever needs to reveal.

You only have to look at life in ancient Egypt to see what abject slavery was all about.

bible aint history

as the archeology and history of egypt has shared that your claim is incorrect.

hence more evidence of oppression by religion.......................your opinion is incorrect of truth!

It was the Abrahamic faiths which toppled the supreme authority of a Pharoah figure and his elite priests.

what if you found out that moses himself was ahkenatan himself?

People no longer had to toil for a megalomaniac king building his pyramids and temples while their bones are broken and they are and buried in the sand.

do you mean, like the christian war of ww2?

i mean, it was a christian hilter that believed he was leading the charge against the other idiot religious wingnuts of 'chosen ones'

about 60million died in that war, how many died building pyramids?

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by bishadi

do you mean, like the christian war of ww2?

I think you've just proved that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Churchill was a druid and Hitler was a disciple of Wotan.

It was a pagan war fought for the old Norse Gods.

Pointless thread when people argue from a point of profound ignorance of the matter in hand.

Perhaps you shouldn't have tackled a subject you know nothing about. But I see now this was just an exercise for you to air your groundless prejudices.

I'll be off now. Cheers.

[bishadi]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

I think you've just proved that you have no idea what you're talking about.

how is that?

Was Hitler a Christian? - YouTube

Was Hitler a Christian? - YouTube

listen to the quotes......

Churchill was a druid and Hitler was a disciple of Wotan.

religious wingnuts are all over this world. You are one of them!


What you have to remember, is that hitler was not a church follower but based on the socialism of the same philosophies

[captainindustry]

I think religion has ultimately enslaved people. The pharoh's had a religion too which they used to enslave people, Christianity and Judaism are later versions of those same beliefs. New groups simply follow suit as it is the construct of organized religion which allows this.

This is not to say there is anything wrong with a belief in God or Gods. The problem start when you let some "his holiness" type figure tell you what God wants you to do.

[selig]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

You only have to look at life in ancient Egypt to see what abject slavery was all about.

Or you could look at what it was like to be a serf under a Christian, God given, King.

[ferryman to the dead]

What has religion done for mankind? Not a damn thing!

[that one guy]

The idea of free will.

Surely not with Abrahamism? Is it possible to have free will with the prophecy-ridden world described in the Abrahamic texts? Take the end-times prophecies for instance. If there is to be one Antichrist, then isn't that individuals fate already sealed? Where's the free will in that?

...Hitler was a disciple of Wotan.

Fair speculation - Heidler wrote a poem (below) about Wotan (or Woden/Wodan) and did express an interest in the god, but I don't see how that makes him an actual disciple. Poems don't necessarily have to be literal...

I often go on bitter nights
To Wodan's oak in the quiet glade
With dark powers to weave a union -
The moonlight showing me the runic spell
And all who are full of impudence during the day
Are made small by the magic formula!
They draw shining steel - but instead of going into combat,
They solidify into stalagmites.
Thus the wrong ones separate from the genuine ones -
I reach into a nest of words
Then give to the good and fair
With my formula blessings and prosperity.

...but then Heidler was a master at propaganda. So it is possible that that when he refer openly to the Christian god, he was referring to Wotan.

I also don't think WW2 was a "pagan war." I don't even see any facts to go by for that suggestion. If it was a pagan war, then that just adds on to the list of "things that religion has done for mankind."

What has religion done for mankind? Not a damn thing!

Religion has given us a valuable lesson on what happens when you take the superego (to use a Freudian term) to the extreme. Strict laws with dire consequences (not excluding death) for disobeying them are how religions and societies based on the superego work. Of course, when someone suppresses the ID (basic desires and such), it finds creative ways to be heard... often in the form of "ALLAH AKBAR!! *BOOM*"

In the wake of science, religion has lost the credibility it has once had.

Or you could look at what it was like to be a serf under a Christian, God given, King.

Yup! In any Abraham-based religion, there is only one winner: the Abrahamic god. Everyone else is a loser - dammed either to Hell or dammed to eternally worship that god.

"For a few to be immortal, many must die." -- from the film In Time.

[bendoon]

Well, society generally improved for most people over the last few thousand years and now atheism and secularism has taken hold all progress has stopped and we are now sinking back to the depths of depravity.

[exu156]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

The idea of free will.

Try going back a little further. Something about a woman eating an apple.

[saint_frankenstein]

Don't discount all religion just because the Abrahamic religions, especially, have made a mockery of it.

[extremecheese]

Originally Posted by bishadi

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RELIGION?

Well if you are honest, you'd agree that deep down within yourself there is something wrong.
If you don't, then you either are lying or you have exceptionatly low standards.
Religion is an attempt to fix this problem.
Anything you disagree with so far?

[ciko]

Originally Posted by bishadi

So What has religion done for mankind? (stollen thread idea (discloser))

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"For thousands of years people continue to believe in religions and let it control there life sometimes to the point of pure insanity, so where has religion got us then?

What has it actually achieved?

Has it made the world a better place?

Has it just caused more wars than there would have been had it not existed?

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RELIGION?

Religious people think some how they are better than you if you dont follow there chosen brain washing program, how very sad this world can be.

"

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RELIGION?

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RELIGION?

if we can change it to

WHAT IS THE POINT OF ISLAM?


then we can ask God that , and he answers in quran what is the point

God answers in quran:

2:2 This is the Scripture(quran) in which there is no doubt, containing guidance for those who are mindful of God,

so relgion=islam=quran

is guidence or manual from God sent to people, how stuff work, how we shall live here, what happens to us after our death, why we are here,where are we going, how we think,explaining unseen stuff, what is good for us, what is bad for us and so on....

[selig]

Originally Posted by ciko

is guidence or manual from God sent to people, how stuff work, how we shall live here, what happens to us after our death, why we are here,where are we going, how we think,explaining unseen stuff, what is good for us, what is bad for us and so on....

Is there anyone on this forum who actually needs advise on how to treat their slaves?

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by ciko

WHAT IS THE POINT OF RELIGION?

if we can change it to

WHAT IS THE POINT OF ISLAM?


then we can ask God that , and he answers in quran what is the point

God answers in quran:

2:2 This is the Scripture(quran) in which there is no doubt, containing guidance for those who are mindful of God,

so relgion=islam=quran

is guidence or manual from God sent to people, how stuff work, how we shall live here, what happens to us after our death, why we are here,where are we going, how we think,explaining unseen stuff, what is good for us, what is bad for us and so on....

Religion is not another word for Islam.

[knightofthegrail]

Originally Posted by selig

Is there anyone on this forum who actually needs advise on how to treat their slaves?

I take it that you do not purchase anything produced in asian sweatshops...

Asking what religion has done for us is missing the point (again) by making humankind the measure of value - and thus trying to measure religion by how humanistic it is.

[arjuna12]

Originally Posted by bishadi

how is that?

Was Hitler a Christian? - YouTube


listen to the quotes......



religious wingnuts are all over this world. You are one of them!


What you have to remember, is that hitler was not a church follower but based on the socialism of the same philosophies

What's your point posting an image of Hitler and a cardinal?
I don't see any Christians in that image.
(this doesn't imply that most Catholics are not Christian by the way)

The idea that Hitler was Christian is absurd! As absurd as saying that George W. Bush is Christian. Just because someone says something... doesn't make it so! (ever heard of the Thule Society?)