Esoteric Christianity

[cwl3]

Originally Posted by megahertz

This is pretty funny, I never said it was the Red Sea that got parted, it was the sea between the Red Sea and Migdol, the only body of water there is the Bittern lakes.

Any idea how many years ago I looked up that term? More than a few.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H5488&t=KJV


It was a rebuttal to the parts of the post that promoted exodus never took place, without being there they could not have arrived at the story and the parting taking place north of the Red sea if they were not familiar with the area.

Pretty much wipes out God also, so which deity is being worshiped?

It's Reed Sea not Red Sea which shows an error in the KJV translation that you say is the best. You should just have admitted posts ago that there are more accurate versions and also you should have just said even if not that it's OK to use the NIV because the important thing is to get the word of the bible out there for people to read and understand. You can then move on to more important things rather than seeming like a stubborn ass like most other posters here.

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Originally Posted by cwl3

It's Reed Sea not Red Sea which shows an error in the KJV translation that you say is the best. You should just have admitted posts ago that there are more accurate versions and also you should have just said even if not that it's OK to use the NIV because the important thing is to get the word of the bible out there for people to read and understand. You can then move on to more important things rather than seeming like a stubborn ass like most other posters here.

We are all guilty of that though aren't we cwl3. I think it is human nature.

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Yi Jin Jing(Muscle/ Tendon Changing Classic)

I am going to describe below the three most important exercises of the Yi Jin Jing. These three exercises form a complete meditation and chi kung regimen. The purpose of this classic is to strengthen the muscles, tendons and ligaments by nourishing the different levels of fasciae in the structure of the body with chi. At first with the Chi breathing exercise we learn to develop and store the chi, then with the Lesser Heavenly Circle we learn to circulate the chi through the vessels and meridians around the microcosmic orbit and finally with the Muscle/ Tendon Changes we complete the Greater Heavenly Circle strengthening and stretching the muscles and tendons as well as send chi through the macrocosmic orbit to the limbs.

Before beginning practice one should do gentle warm ups and stretching especially loosening up of the joints. Do not practice if you have just finished eating or if you are hungry. It is best to practice in the morning and evening. Do not train if you have drugs or alcohol in your system.

In the beginning practice one until you have mastered it then move on to the next exercise usually taking from a couple of days to a couple of weeks. Then after all of the exercises are comfortable practice one after the other without break until you have completed the whole regimen. 36 breaths of Chi Breathing (on inhalation and one exhalation counting one breath), 36 breaths of the Lesser Heavenly Circle and 10 breaths for each of the 10 Muscle/ Tendon changes. After completion do some cool down exercises and stretching. The warm ups and cool downs are very important because you want an unimpeded flow of chi in the sitting exercises and the Muscle/ tendon Changes require dynamic tension. You will work up a sweat if done properly. After some time when this level is accomplished add in the Xi Sui Ching sittings everything back to back and that is the full and complete session it should take the practitioner around an hour to finish.
If at all possible find a place to perform these exercises where you are facing an empty wall. Because of this condition Ching T’suo (Sitting at Peace) Ch’an meditation is called Wall Gazing.

CHI BREATHING
The first attempt at mind training is the Chi Breathing exercise it is the first meditation of the Yi Jin Jing. It has a two-fold purpose: the first is to begin circulating and storing the vital energy creating the elixir; and, the second is to practice expansive empty awareness. Expansive empty awareness is our original nature, the natural state of mind. Because of this twofold purpose this exercise is the foundation of all the meditation exercises that follow.

The basic rules for meditation are as follows; 1) the back must be straight, allowing the spine to follow it’s natural curvature up the back. 2) the head is raised up as if suspended from a string hanging from the sky, with the chin tucked inwards toward the chest. 3) the shoulders are relaxed and pulled slightly back. 4) the tongue is rested with the tip sitting on the top of the mouth behind the top front teeth. 5) the eyes remain open.

To prepare for the exercise find a quiet place with no extraneous noise. Place yourself in a cross legged position on the floor facing a clear wall. Sometimes this exercise is called wall gazing because of this. Now, following the basic rules, gaze at a point on the horizon of the wall to the forefront; take a relaxing deep sigh, allowing the shoulders to relax and settle as well as the elbows. The hands are placed facing upwards on the knees which allows the elbows to fall into the correct position.
The breath is relaxed and deep. For each inhalation allow the diaphragm and abdomen to expand, for the exhalation the abdomen contracts to the diaphragm. Inhale relaxed for 4-5 seconds and without a pause exhale for a count of 10 seconds. At the end of the exhalation when the diaphragm is contracted following the wave of the abdomen contracting in time with the breath make a “tuh” sound removing the tongue from the top of the mouth were it was placed through the breath. So with the inhalation the tongue touches the roof of the mouth at the end of the exhalation a soft “tuh” sound is made as the tongue is removed from the roof of the mouth. The motion of the abdomen is that of a belly dancer, smooth and not forced a rolling motion like a wave , expanding and contracting with the breath.

On review we start the exercise with a relaxed sigh after we have assumed the correct position. Then with the first inhalation we find a spot on the wall directly in front of the eyes. At the beginning of the exhalation we expand the vision to the peripheral, viewing everything but paying no particular attention to any one thing. Keeping the expanded empty awareness continue the exercise for 36 breaths at the end of the final exhalation bring the vision back slowly to the original point focused on at the beginning of the exercise with the “tuh” sound and then make one final relaxed sigh.

The sigh prepares the mind to begin the exercise and signals the end. The expansive awareness is practiced through the breaths and each exhalation is counted in the mind from 1 to 10, on 10 we make the “tuh” sound. The tongue being placed and removed forms a circuit for the energy to follow. It is quite common to feel warmth in the abdomen and see a white mist passing over the vision down the front of the face, this will be explained in more detail in the Greater Heavenly Circle exercise. With practice the count can be eliminated for there will be a natural feel to the exercise and the mind will keep count with the timing of the ‘practiced’ breath.

When one has become used to the exercise it can be practiced and should be practiced in a less quiet, more active environment in order to enhance mental training. Also without the mental process of actually counting one can focus more clearly on the abdominal movement, thus bringing the mind to the Lesser Heavenly Circle being completed between the lower elixir field and the middle elixir field. It is in this circuit that essence and vital energy are mixed and stored in the lower elixir field. The middle elixir field at the solar plexus is the home of the vital energy we receive from eating and breathing. The lower elixir field about 3.5 inches below the naval is the home of the essence or original vital energy we received from birth. When these two energies combine in the naval and are mixed in this “sea of energy” the golden elixir is created.

This exercise can be practiced for more breaths as well. The practitioner will become more adept with continued practice. Obviously, the more breaths the more energy is cultivated and stored. This exercise is the precursor to the next series of exercises which will be described below. Each exercise is to be practiced after the other using a 36 breath count.

LESSER HEAVENLY CIRCLE

The Lesser Heavenly is the second and final meditation of the Yi Jin Jing. In the Lesser Heavenly Circle exercise we assume a different position and the breathing becomes more difficult. To start we execute a 25 second exhalation and introduce the concept of “mind following”. The circle now grows to encase the entire torso. All of the basic rules remain the same except now we assume the “tripod position”. This position will be used for all of the following meditations as well except the final sitting meditation. Instead of the feet crossing the feet they now come together and touch on the soles with the knees bent inwards. The hands rest the same as in Chi Breathing. So you can see the only thing that has changed is the feet position.

Facing a wall in the correct position we now focus on a single point directly to the front. Taking a deep sigh we begin the exercise with the same abdominal motion. Because of the lengthy exhalation we have to take care not to run out of air or gasp. Gasping is referred to as the “ drowning phase”. To prevent entering into the drowning phase and dissipating the vital energy we must relax the diaphragm at the end of the breath after making the “tuh” sound. It is important that these muscles are relaxed and not tense. When this is accomplished it is referred to as the “dream cycle” for we relax the diaphragm and allow a smooth transition of breath without a pause.

After the sigh we inhale expanding the diaphragm. A longer inhalation is preferable so there is full capacity in the lungs for the exercise. Focusing on the spot on the wall to the direct front we begin the slow controlled 25 second exhalation. The focus is at first at the lower elixir field and moves down around the torso up the back and around over the head to finally descend down the front of the body. The breath is broken into 5 parts. The first 5 seconds we visualize the energy moving from the lower elixir field down around the anus to the sacral pump which is roughly just above the tailbone at the base of the spine. The second 5 seconds we move the energy through this visualization up the back to the point on the spine just opposite the heart. The third 5 seconds of breath we move the energy from this point up the back over the head to the upper elixir field. The fourth 5 seconds we direct the energy down the front of the face along the throat descending down the torso to the middle elixir field. The final 5 second count we slowly close the eyes and move the energy through the naval (the sea of energy), through the point we focused on , on the wall that is still in our minds eye, back to the lower elixir field with the “tuh” sound removing the tongue to finish the cycle.

Here it is important that we make the smooth transition, opening the eyes and replacing the tongue with the relaxed inhalation and then repeating the cycle 36 times, until ending the last breath with the closing sigh. The “mind following” is important as it is the way we lead the energy by directing our mind along the path to certain points on the torso. Where the mind goes the energy will follow and with practice you will begin to actually feel the energy follow your mind. The white mist from Chi Breathing can be seen as well as the energy passes through the field of vision. Concentration and focus are the key to this exercise. If focus is lost the energy will dissipate and the effort will be wasted. This is the natural path of energy flow in the body.
This cultivated energy can fill the vessels, meridians, and channels of the body.

Once Chi Breathing has been accomplished and practiced proficiently one can fill the reservoirs with this cultivated chi on the first cycle and even change the breathing process. For each breath one can direct the chi to certain points filling them with energy and moving along the Greater Heavenly Path so that a more efficient flow can be maintained. There are 12 major points that can be filled in this manor I will list them in order and describe the breathing process.

First we assume the correct position with the eyes open using expansive empty awareness to the forefront. Inhale using abdominal breathing but using Chi Breathing method with 10 second exhalations. First of all, sigh, then breathe in and focus on the lower elixir field then exhale and visualize the energy circulating there. With the next inhalation direct the energy to the “gate of life and death”, the perineum. With the exhalation again circulate the energy there. With each point the breathing and focus remain the same so I will simply list the points. From the perineum we move to the “door of life” the kidney point, roughly in the area of the kidneys. From the kidneys direct the energy to the point opposite the heart on the spinal column. Next we move to the Jade Pillow were the spine meets the skull. Moving up the head we stop next at the crown point then move to the Crystal Palace the upper elixir field. Descending down the front of the body we stop next at the throat center were the Adams Apple sits. Moving down further we direct the energy to the heart, then on to the solar plexus, the middle elixir field, then to the sea of energy, the naval and finally we end up again at the lower elixir field finishing the Lesser Heavenly Circle.

Having now filled up these important points we can circulate the chi with two breaths , inhaling for 10 seconds, we lead the energy from the lower elixir field to the upper elixir field following the Lesser Heavenly Path, exhaling we descend down the path along the front of the body to the lower elixir field again. In this method the tongue stays on the roof of the mouth throughout the cycles until a desired finish at the end of the whole exercise, then make the “tuh” sound by removing the tongue and breaking the cycle. Throughout the exercise you will produce saliva - do not swallow it until the very end of the exercise. When it is swallowed, follow it with the mind down into the stomach and then visualize it moving into the lower elixir field . This same method should be used for all of the exercises; saliva is an elixir in itself.


Don’t just practice only one of these methods of the Lesser Heavenly Circulation but master them all until you can mentally produce the circuit regardless of the breathing method used.
Always use these exercises to cultivate energy. This exercise is the jewel of Taoist practice; it is a basic exercise, but remember, the basics in everything are always the most important for everything is built upon them. The Lesser and Greater Heavenly Circles are the foundation, the corner stone and the capstone of the system.

THE GREATER HEAVENLY CIRCLE ; MUSCLE/ TENDON CHANGES

Motion 1;

In the first motion you stand erect with the chin tucked slightly inward and the eyes gazing forward. The feet are shoulder width apart and the hands rest to the sides. Place the tongue on the roof of the mouth directly behind the two front top teeth. Tuck the thumbs inside the fists, keeping the arms straight as you breath in through the nose raise the arms with dynamic tension to shoulder level with the palms facing each other so the thumbs are on the top, expanding the chest at the same time. At the very end of the lift squeeze the thumbs gaining a greater stretch in the wrist to the shoulder. At the end of the inhalation open the hands with the palms facing downward, relax and slowly exhale lowering the hands back down to the sides. There should be around a 5 second inhalation and a 7 to 10 second exhalation. Repeat 10 times.

Motion 2;

Keeping the feet shoulder width apart on the balls of the feet turn the heels outward and bend the knees down until they are touching each other. Make fists with the thumbs to the outside of the fingers form a semi circle with the arms so that the knuckles of the fists face each other at the level of the lower dan tian. Breath in gently with the tongue resting on the top of the mouth behind the teeth as you exhale stretch out the thumbs away from the fists so that the touch each other and point directly at the lower dan tian with dynamic tension. You should also feel tension on the outside of the fore arms. Breath in relaxed and bring the thumbs back to their original starting place. There should be around a 4 second inhalation and a 7-10 second exhalation. Repeat 10 times.

Motion 3;

Return the feet to being shoulder width apart in the same position as the 1st motion except the thumbs rest on the outside if the fingers in the fist still. Take a deep relaxed in breath on the exhalation at the same time with dynamic tension raise the arms to shoulder level and lift the heels until you are poised on the balls of your feet. Only exhale 3/4 of the breath with the palms still facing each other hold the breath and stretch the arms back at shoulder level still until they are directly to the sides. Open the hands turn the hands so the palms are facing downward relaxing for the rest of the breath lower the hands to the sides. The inhalation should be around 4-5 seconds and the total combined exhalation around 10 seconds. Repeat 10 times.

Motion 4;

Turn the heels out so that you are slightly pigeon toed but the knees are not touching and you are still erect. Tuck the thumbs inside the fingers turn the palms downward and place the hands in front approximately 2-3 inches apart. Breath in gently and raise the arms to shoulder level. Breath out and for 3/4 of the breath with dynamic tension pull the fists back to the shoulders keeping the elbows at shoulder level . Imagine you are holding a bar and while holding your breath circle the bar around the head and pull down so that the elbows are pointing downward. Relax lift the elbows back to shoulder level and open the hands for the remainder of the breath lower the pals like you are pushing a table downward until the palms reach the hips. The inhalation is about 4-5 seconds the exhalation is a total of approximately 10 seconds. Repeat 10 times

Motion 5;

Straighten out the feet and place the right foot in front of the left so that the two feet form a “T” with the knees touching but the body is still erect. Breath in and keeping the hands open this time lift the hands to chest level so that the wrists are pointed upward and the fingers are pointed downward in the form of a monkey paw with a separation of about 2-3 inches between the hands. On the exhalation lift the fingers up so that the palms are protruding downward. Lower the hands in time with the stomach contraction with dynamic tension until the palms reach the lower dan tian, then turn the hands inward so that the two index fingers are touching each other and pointing directly at the lower dan tian at the end of the breach and contraction simultaneously. As you lower the hands with the contraction bend the knees a crouch slightly in time with the breath. The inhalation is about 4-5 seconds the exhalation approximately 10 seconds. Repeat 10 times.

Motion 6;

Assume the same feet placement except place the left foot in front of the right. With fists made with the thumbs on the outside of the fingers assume the chamber position. Which is formed by placing the fists on either hip pulled back to settle on the middle of the hip with the palms facing upward. Breath in and reach forward to eye level with the palms open and facing downward. Make a fist again and breath out pulling the fists back to the chamber position with dynamic tension. Expand the chest and pull back the shoulders with the out breath. Inhalation is 4-5 seconds exhalation is approximately 10 seconds.

Motion 7;

Begin in the same position as motion 4. With the thumbs tucked inside of the fingers. With the in breath raise the arms to shoulder level the draw them back until the elbows are level with the shoulders and pointed out to the sides. The forearms should be at such an angle that the fists with the palms facing forward are about 2-3 inches from the temples. Breathing out with dynamic tension bring the forearms together in a crunch to the front of the body with the fists at eye level and the palms facing inwards toward the face for 3/4 of the exhalation. Relax the arms and body, open the hands and allow the palms to return to the sides of the body with the remainder of the breath. The inhalation should be around 4-5 seconds, the exhalation a total of approximately 10 seconds. Repeat 10 times.

Motion 8;

Make fists with the hands with the thumb on the outside of the fingers. Place them in front of the body so that the fist are approximately 1-2 inches apart. Let the elbows move away from the ribs naturally so the are in a comfortable position. the fists are hanging down at waist level. Breath in relaxed as you breath out lift the hands up with dynamic tension to the level of the forehead but forward in front of the face for the arm swings with the position not changing.

Do this for 75% of the breath. As the hands rise upwards move in time with the motion and rise up onto the balls of your feet. Hold the breath and swing the hands inverted with the elbows holding the same position to the sides of the body so that the fists are slightly below shoulder level. Feel the downward stretch in the shoulder.

For the remaining 25% of the out breath open the hands and move them in a reverse motion back to the front of the body at forehead level make a form with the open palms like a triangle with the thumbs and index fingers touching breath out relaxed and move the hands down like you are pushing a table down to the level of the lower dan tian. In breaths are 4-5 seconds, exhalations 10 seconds approximately. Repeat 10 times.


Motion 9;

Place the hands in the position of exercise number two. The only difference between this exercise and the second is that the thumbs circle upward then outward with the exhalation. The elbows will be tucked id and the pinky fingers touching on the inverted fists. On the inhalation reverse the motion back to the original position. Use 4-5 second in breaths and around 10 second out breaths. Repeat 10 times.


Motion 10;

Return feet to toes pointing forward an feet shoulder width apart. Close the fists so that the thumbs rest on the outside of the fingers. With a relaxed in breath circle the fists inward and upward so that the elbows rest on the short ribs and the palms of the fist are at shoulder height facing the body. On the out breath push the fists upward and make a quarter turn so that the thumbs are facing each other. Push up with dynamic tension for 3/4 of the exhalation. Then relax and open the fist and turn the hands so that the palms are facing out and away. With the remainder of the breath allow the hands to settle once again at the sides. The in breath should be 4-5 seconds the exhalation a total of about 10 seconds. Repeat 10 times.


Xi Sui Jing ( Marrow/ Brain Washing Classic)

The Marrow/ Brain Washing Classic is the second part to the Muscle/ Tendon Changing Classic. It concerns it self with nourishing the marrow, internal organs and brain with chi as well as training the spirit (shen). I will not go into in depth discussion but stick to the three meditations most important to the classic.

Nourishing the Bones and Marrow

In this exercise we nourish the organs and the brain, in doing so we also refine the elixir into spirit. There is spirit in every organ and the spirit that rests in the body is of two as well there is the “heart/mind” which resides in the heart(middle elixir field) and the “wisdom mind” which resides in the brain(upper elixir field). As well there is the spirit of consciousness that is again two the “spirit of knowing” and original spirit. The elixir is refined into all of these spirits which are one spirit.

Once again we assume the tripod position but in this exercise we alter it throughout the practice to achieve different results so we may directly affect each organ. We begin with a sigh then lean slightly to the left, contracting the abdomen with a wave like action to the left side, when we start and focus on the spleen with the first four breaths. With the inhalations bringing the mind to the organ and with the exhalations nourishing the organ with the elixir. The second four breaths we move to the left lung then with the next four completing twelve on the left side we move to the left kidney. Finishing the twelfth breath we straighten up the body, contracting the abdomen in a wave like fashion to the center of the body, and direct the next four breaths to the stomach and upper/lower intestines. Then we move to the heart with the next four breaths and finish on the bladder and sexual organs four the last four breaths before we lean to the right, contracting our abdomen to the right with a wave like motion, and focus on the liver for four breaths then the right lung and then the right kidney. Finishing those twelve breaths we move again to the center and finish with twelve breaths focusing solely on the brain but with special attention placed on the pineal gland. At the end of the breathe finish with a sigh.

Again this exercise can be done spending more time on each organ if preferred. If on is to take a break between exercises and rest then on each exercise the number of breaths is up to the individual it is the exercise , the process that is important and the technique not the counting of breaths. I present the exercises as 36 breath sets for the benefit of practicing one exercise then straight into the next until all are completed. This method though is extremely difficult and will take time to achieve do not push or rush through the exercises even if only one a day is practiced there is still great benefit in the practice.

Nourishing the Organs and Brain

In this exercise we nourish the organs and the brain, in doing so we also refine the elixir into spirit. There is spirit in every organ and the spirit that rests in the body is of two as well there is the “heart/mind” which resides in the heart(middle elixir field) and the “wisdom mind” which resides in the brain(upper elixir field). As well there is the spirit of consciousness that is again two the “spirit of knowing” and original spirit. The elixir is refined into all of these spirits which are one spirit.

Once again we assume the tripod position but in this exercise we alter it throughout the practice to achieve different results so we may directly affect each organ. We begin with a sigh then lean slightly to the left, contracting the abdomen with a wave like action to the left side, when we start and focus on the spleen with the first four breaths. With the inhalations bringing the mind to the organ and with the exhalations nourishing the organ with the elixir. The second four breaths we move to the left lung then with the next four completing twelve on the left side we move to the left kidney. Finishing the twelfth breath we straighten up the body, contracting the abdomen in a wave like fashion to the center of the body, and direct the next four breaths to the stomach and upper/lower intestines. Then we move to the heart with the next four breaths and finish on the bladder and sexual organs four the last four breaths before we lean to the right, contracting our abdomen to the right with a wave like motion, and focus on the liver for four breaths then the right lung and then the right kidney. Finishing those twelve breaths we move again to the center and finish with twelve breaths focusing solely on the brain but with special attention placed on the pineal gland. At the end of the breathe finish with a sigh.

Again this exercise can be done spending more time on each organ if preferred. If on is to take a break between exercises and rest then on each exercise the number of breaths is up to the individual it is the exercise , the process that is important and the technique not the counting of breaths. I present the exercises as 36 breath sets for the benefit of practicing one exercise then straight into the next until all are completed. This method though is extremely difficult and will take time to achieve do not push or rush through the exercises even if only one a day is practiced there is still great benefit in the practice.


REFINING SPIRIT TO NOTHINGNESS

The heart/mind mind rests in the heart (middle elixir field) while the spirit mind rests in the upper elixir field. The first step to refining spirit is to merge these two minds. Up until now we have just worked on the body and the mind now we will attempt to work with the spirit. First, we mix the water energy in the lower elixir field with the fire energy in the middle elixir field, boiling them in the cauldron we refine the elixir and refine the heart/mind spirit then we move this refined spirit to the upper elixir field and mix it with the spirit mind thus refining the spirit into one spirit. Now we are focusing on consciousness. This spirit consciousness is who we are it is “I”. “I” must be relinquished and become nothing. So we begin searching for our original nature. Our original nature is empty mindful awareness. There is no I , my, me, mine there is only oneness. Oneness is great love, great compassion, great joy. We become perceivers perceiving. Simple awareness, still with emotions, but only the higher self, as the self has now disappeared.

I will use two Japanese words to describe what is happening one experiences; Kensho then Satori. I used these words because this is the experience. Kensho is seeing into one original nature; it is seeing that you are pure awareness. Satori is enlightenment of both the mind and the spirit as these are crushed and something new appears, perception, which changes everything to pure. It is crystal clear. If cup needs to be washed, you wash the cup; if the floor needs to be swept you sweep it; if someone needs food you give it to them. And this continues moment to moment. You laugh , you cry , but everything you see is more brilliant. Flowers are prettier , a birds song touches your heart. There is death to one reality and a new life experiencing a new reality.

Once you have meditated and mixed your spirit, empty your mind and meditate on no mind. You empty your mind and as a thoughts passes, try not to abide to it, let it pass. If it disappears, do not cling, just continue to meditate. Do not worry about breath - let it be natural and it will become very shallow as you relax. Let this happen naturally and eventually the breath will almost disappear and thoughts will pass away, and then there will be emptiness – a mindful emptiness for you are still focused and all that will be left is awareness. Stay here if you can, and observe nothing. Here in this place you will find yourself, your true self. This is not an easy practice and it takes time to stop clinging to thoughts and it takes time to reach the proper meditation time, the time of no breath. This is the path, though eventually you will not need to sit or wait for the proper meditation time, you will just do it naturally, moment to moment in everyday life 24 hours a day. This is because you have achieved the Golden Elixir, you have seen into your original nature. Without that you will not reach enlightenment. The golden elixir is enlightenment there is nothing more. This new reality will fill you with great compassion, love and joy.

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I would like to talk a bit about Internal Alchemy theory. In the type of Alchemy I practice there are three elixir fields or dan tians. There is the lower which resides approximately 3 1/2 inches below the naval, the middle which resides at the solar plexus and the upper residing at the third eye area.

The Three Treasures

In Alchemy there are what is called the tree treasures Jing or essence, Chi or internal energy and Shen or spirit. Each of these three are different aspects of the same energy. Where Jing is the base form closest to matter, chi is energy in its normal form and shen is the most ethereal form.

Jing resides in the lower elixir field it is associated with the kidneys and is referred to as water energy. Chi is located in the middle elixir field and is derived from breathing, eating and drinking. It is referred to as fire energy. Shen is located in the upper elixir field and the heart. Shen is split between the emotional mind located in the heart and the wisdom mind located in the upper elixir field. The wisdom mind controls the emotional mind and the two regulate chi and jing. Shen is associated with the heart.

Water energy is yin and fire energy is yang the key to training fire and water is to balance the yin and yang energies within the body. Then mix this energy and circulate it to nourish the shen. The mixing of fire and water creates the elixir which is balanced between jing and chi. When these two are circulated and nourish the shen they raise it up and allow it to grow.

In the beginning one trains to strengthen the chi then they blend chi with jing to create the elixir. When this elixir is mixed with the shen a spiritual embryo is formed and then it is nourished until it grows to maturity. All of this is accomplished in the upper elixir field. When the shen is nourished the pineal gland is activated as well for it is part of the upper elixir field.

The stove for brewing the elixir is the lower elixir field the cauldron is the naval. Water and fire chi are mixed in the cauldron and then stored in the lower elixir field. There are different paths for circulating the energy the water, fire and wind paths. Most commonly used is the water path and that is the path that I use. The fire path is the reverse path to the water path and the wind path is the middle path and the least commomly used.

All of this theory is already in the exercises I posted so is not is as important as practice. It just lays a game plan so you have an idea what is going on. Since Jing is associated with sexual energy , this energy can be circulated with or without sexual intercourse it all depends if there is a partner available who is willing to practice these techniques.

There is the danger of kundalini syndrome or chi kung deviation so it is important you practice properly and should have a qualified teacher. Any form of Alchemy should not be taken lightly.

[bikerdruid]

moved.

[passerbye999]

In the Gospel of Philip it says:
Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing.


We are all First Born and that is natural. To be Second Born takes a great deal of skill, and then finally to become Thrice Born that takes great will. To be First Born is our natural birth, to be Second Born is the Baptism and to be Thrice Born is the Transfiguration. As I have said before there are actually three Baptism’s the Baptism of Water, the Baptism of Fire and the Baptism of Spirit. The Baptism of Water brings us back to the waters of the womb and upon re entering the world in our Second Birth we are Born into the Kingdom of Heaven as a Child of God. The Baptism of Fire washes away our Sin/Guilt purifying our soul. The Baptism of the Spirit is the Birth of the Spiritual Embryo, the divine spark of the Body of Light. The Transfiguration is the overcoming of the material self by way of the spirit the maturity of the Body of Light within Life. It is the foreshadow of attainment that verifies one will live on after death as a conscious spiritual being.


Each of the baptisms is a meditational or alchemical process. The Baptism of Water is the discovering of your original nature this is done through meditation and the serious questioning of the self, Who am I? The Baptism of Fire is the relinquishing of the “i” the ego leaving only the “I” the self to remain. The Baptism of Spirit is alchemical it is the developing of the spirit using alchemical processes of building, storing, mixing and circulating of the internal energy and then developing the spiritual embryo. The Transfiguration is the naturing and maturing of the spiritual embryo until it matures and develops into the radiant Body of Light. It takes discipline, effort and perseverance in order to accomplish these goals. Narrow is the door that leads to eternal life. Will power and faith in yourself are also very important. All of this was taught through the life of Jesus.


Sexual alchemy is hinted at in the gospels especially the gospel of Philip where it states” Mary Magdalena was Jesus’s companion for he kissed her often....on the lips.” Sacred sex is traditionally accomplished in the union of husband and wife. Though when one is in love it is the same as being married. There is the exchange and ingestion of bodily fluids but that is natural to most sexual practices anyway. By the exchanges the energy is exchanged as well so the man becomes woman and the woman becomes man. The energies rise through intercourse to a high spiritual level. Imitating the interactions of the bi polar opposites in the natural universe. Connecting the two souls more intimately to the universe. During sacred sex both participants move the energy up the spine to the brain each of the 33 vertebrae are filled with sexual energy along the pathway. Once the energy reaches the brain it activates the pineal gland the seat of the soul. Again illuminating the Body of Light.

Whether one or both of these methods are trained the results are the same but if both are applied the results are faster and greater.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by megahertz

Here are the years, which one comes before the KJV?

there is a long history of translation of the bible into english.
beginning with old english, the four gospels were translated into english in 1000ad. the wycliffe bible of 1382 was perhaps the first complete english translation. there were several during the english renaissance.
the KJV is by no means the first.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by passerbye999

The OT is myth plain and simple. I don't believe in prophecy and I view jesus's life as an Alchemical formula. Which I would be more than happy to keep posting about. I am not into Paulinism so that exludes pretty well most of the NT. I would prefer to discuss the Nag Hammadi scrolls they have some substance to me. So please can we go back to the OP.

i'd love to.
i can fully grasp the concept of the gnostic christ.
i was first shifted off mainstrean by matthew fox, in his the coming o the cosmic christ.
i believe that the true path of christian thought was kept alive away from the poisonous political influences of rome, constantine and his pauline sympathies.
'the church' in its zeal for domination removed every bit of spirit from their christian mythology.
the gnostic gospels and their calm acceptance of the divine feminine are far more spiritual than the dogmatic dominance of the church.

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

i'd love to.
I can fully grasp the concept of the gnostic christ.
I was first shifted off mainstrean by matthew fox, in his the coming o the cosmic christ.
I believe that the true path of christian thought was kept alive away from the poisonous political influences of rome, constantine and his pauline sympathies.
'the church' in its zeal for domination removed every bit of spirit from their christian mythology.
The gnostic gospels and their calm acceptance of the divine feminine are far more spiritual than the dogmatic dominance of the church.

100%

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by megahertz

How many of those used the original Greek and the original Hebrew?

This is from the preface so I am aware that there were English version but they would have been translated from the RCC Latin Bible would they not have. Getting the originals was not as easy as going up and just asking for them. (which it should have been if changes had not been made)

. "

WHICH original greek?
Old or New Attic,
attic was closest to Ionic, then there is Aeolic and Doric?

Which "original greek "?

in fact there are NO "original" new testament manuscripts...the earliest date of an actual gospel manuscript is from mid second century..as for the OT don't even start.

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by passerbye999

In the Gospel of Philip it says:
Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing.


We are all First Born and that is natural. To be Second Born takes a great deal of skill, and then finally to become Thrice Born that takes great will. To be First Born is our natural birth, to be Second Born is the Baptism and to be Thrice Born is the Transfiguration. As I have said before there are actually three Baptism’s the Baptism of Water, the Baptism of Fire and the Baptism of Spirit. The Baptism of Water brings us back to the waters of the womb and upon re entering the world in our Second Birth we are Born into the Kingdom of Heaven as a Child of God. The Baptism of Fire washes away our Sin/Guilt purifying our soul. The Baptism of the Spirit is the Birth of the Spiritual Embryo, the divine spark of the Body of Light. The Transfiguration is the overcoming of the material self by way of the spirit the maturity of the Body of Light within Life. It is the foreshadow of attainment that verifies one will live on after death as a conscious spiritual being.


Each of the baptisms is a meditational or alchemical process. The Baptism of Water is the discovering of your original nature this is done through meditation and the serious questioning of the self, Who am I? The Baptism of Fire is the relinquishing of the “i” the ego leaving only the “I” the self to remain. The Baptism of Spirit is alchemical it is the developing of the spirit using alchemical processes of building, storing, mixing and circulating of the internal energy and then developing the spiritual embryo. The Transfiguration is the naturing and maturing of the spiritual embryo until it matures and develops into the radiant Body of Light. It takes discipline, effort and perseverance in order to accomplish these goals. Narrow is the door that leads to eternal life. Will power and faith in yourself are also very important. All of this was taught through the life of Jesus.


Sexual alchemy is hinted at in the gospels especially the gospel of Philip where it states” Mary Magdalena was Jesus’s companion for he kissed her often....on the lips.” Sacred sex is traditionally accomplished in the union of husband and wife. Though when one is in love it is the same as being married. There is the exchange and ingestion of bodily fluids but that is natural to most sexual practices anyway. By the exchanges the energy is exchanged as well so the man becomes woman and the woman becomes man. The energies rise through intercourse to a high spiritual level. Imitating the interactions of the bi polar opposites in the natural universe. Connecting the two souls more intimately to the universe. During sacred sex both participants move the energy up the spine to the brain each of the 33 vertebrae are filled with sexual energy along the pathway. Once the energy reaches the brain it activates the pineal gland the seat of the soul. Again illuminating the Body of Light.

Whether one or both of these methods are trained the results are the same but if both are applied the results are faster and greater.

hmmm sounds a bit like Tantra
and i do not mean the sexual bit.

I usually leave the interpretations of others alone, and try to make it personal.

Baptism by water and fire though are imentioned in the gospels

So for me baptism by water would be emotional cleansing perhaps..
Newer cognitive studies are showing that cognition is possible because of the ground of emotional being that undergirds it.

Baptism by Fire..could mean energy
awareness, or it could be the burning energy of unconditional love.
John's epistle says that God is LOVE...elsewhere the Bible say our God is a burning fire.
The apostle speaking to Jesus on the road after they had not recognized him..asked each other id our hearts not burn with in us as he spoke?
LUKE 24:32

Which is why Revelation talks about the devil and his angels will burn in the presence of the lamb forever.

Now interestingly when Jesus was baptizing the apostles in Spirit..According to the Gospel of John...HE BREATHED ON THEM.
JOHN 20:22

[megahertz]

Edit to add.

I can see your point in starting a new thread as the differences are way more than I could have imagined and for me that is saying a lot. lol

Ever read Enoch? His trips through heavens would make an interesting meditation soundtrack. Personally I'm waiting for the Virtual Reality I-Max ride.

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by danceswithbunnies

hmmm sounds a bit like Tantra
and i do not mean the sexual bit.

The Indian practices some people do substitute into the missing parts for it fits as well. I find Taoist practices more advanced though and well rounded. They are also better for health and longevity.

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by megahertz

Edit to add.

I can see your point in starting a new thread as the differences are way more than I could have imagined and for me that is saying a lot. lol

Ever read Enoch? His trips through heavens would make an interesting meditation soundtrack. Personally I'm waiting for the Virtual Reality I-Max ride.

I have read Enoch again it was too much prophecy for my taste so I don't find it very useful for my purposes.

[megahertz]

I can't resist asking this since it came up in our short conversation. When covering Bible prophecy you mentioned that you were getting a headache which begs the question. How are those relaxation techniques working out for you?
For myself I can read the most horrific parts in the prophecies or the history without getting a headache (the stomach gag reflexes were there at first but no longer). Does that mean I have relaxation under control? (under the theory that the best way to cure sickness is to not get sick in the first place)

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by megahertz

I can't resist asking this since it came up in our short conversation. When covering Bible prophecy you mentioned that you were getting a headache which begs the question. How are those relaxation techniques working out for you?
For myself I can read the most horrific parts in the prophecies or the history without getting a headache (the stomach gag reflexes were there at first but no longer). Does that mean I have relaxation under control? (under the theory that the best way to cure sickness is to not get sick in the first place)

The exercises work just fine. I was refering to the nonsense being argued and the derailment of the thread. I teach those exercises for a living along with Kung fu. I am not squeamish about prophecy I just think it is total crap. You can believe that Jesus will come riding in on the clouds with fire shooting out his eyeballs and lightening bolts out his ass but I believe he was just a man and great teacher who will not come back. Though I do believe in reincarnation but his cycles are ended.

[megahertz]

A rather perverted view of what the Bible actually says but whatever, hopefully I will come away with a better understanding of this cult than you do about the Bible. Think your relaxation techniques (and I'm all for anything that works in this area of a person's life)will be enough to calm you down when the real version of the return happens, should it happen that is or would you upgrade it if it seemed to be ineffectual? Just sayin, ....

Fact is you still have things that give you a headache, that isn't the case with me, not that is has always been like that. What worked for me was prayer as described in the Bible. There was a massive headache (and heartache) just before the prayer and by the time it was over (as long as it takes to read about it) the headache was gone and it never returned once. Best sleeps I have ever had (dreamless for the most part) is another 'side effect'. What realm of your group would that put me into? (or is there even a classification)

(happened in 1988 and I wrote this in about 2000)
I started of with the Lord's Prayer and just as I was about to start my plea I got a vision that I was outside my body and saw myself, from the back and above, in a kneeling position with a mist a very short distance in front of me that obscured any further view.
I heard myself say "Master, I don't feel so good." A large hand came out of the mist and completely enclosed my body. This happened in a 'twinkling of an eye', I found myself enclosed in this hand and it scared me to no end because I struggled to be free of it's grasp but found I could move not even one little bit. This feeling of being scared lasted only for the briefest of moments.
What replaced it was the most peaceful feeling I have ever experienced, bar none, and to be quite truthful have not experienced that 'level' of peace since.
As soon as this wave of peace (meaning I was in the company of someone who cared for me much more than my words will ever be able to describe) overcame me the hand loosed it 'grip' on me and it opened and I found myself sitting on this palm facing the ends of the fingers and seeing further forward than that.
In front was a hallway, very tall and the walls were black. The walls were not smooth, but rather, had many indentations and sharp corners at these indentations. There was a faint light at each of these 'corners' and that was the only way I could tell the walls were not smooth, the rest was pitch black, I could see neither floor nor ceiling, only these faint corners.
We were moving down this hallway at a leisurely rate and as I was feeling very 'relaxed' I was going to change my sitting position so I had my hands behind my back and then I could lean back and rest on them. As I was leaning back one hand seemed to miss the expected surface that would support it and I ended up rolling to one side. I looked back to see what had 'gone wrong' and I observed a great hole in the palm of this hand. I immediately burst into tears and said with alarm "You've been hurt!"
I heard not a word but my tears left me and I spent the next few moments crawling around the hand, much like I did on the school-ground equipment when I was a small child.
This hallway had corners in addition to the indentations in that it was not straight as we have halls. We came around one corner and off to the right I could see a faint glow of light some distance down this other smaller hallway.
I asked "What's down there?" A voice (rather deep but very 'soothing') answered "You're not ready for this, but I will show you."
Off we went down this other hallway going around gently curving corners and the light got brighter with each corner we passed. In very short order we came out on a dusty,earthen path and I could see a sky. This path was rather narrow and had grass growing on either edge.
On the grass to the left there were several rabbits hopping around, a few bounds then they would stop and nibble the grass, a few more bounds, another nibble. Our presence did not disturb them in the least.
Just behind the rabbits, only a few yards from the path, was what I would best describe would be a three-wire barbed fence, not in the best of repair as the wire sagged a bit between the posts and none of the posts stood up properly but were tilted a bit at various angles.
A bit of distance from this was another fence made of planking, much like you would find around any farm that kept horses or cows, and behind were some farm buildings, house and small barn made of the same wood as the plank fence.
All the wood was very weathered but the condition of the buildings and fence would not warrant paint as this would be a waste because of their condition.
As I looked over at this scene I noticed several dogs in the yard. There was much running and yelping and much dust from all this activity. I could not determine if this activity was caused by our presence or not and if, in fact, the dogs were playing or it was a somewhat more serious matter they were involved in. The circles they made were small and done in quick fashion so in the short time I observed them they completed many circles.
The path we were on also had the gentle twists and turns like the hallways we had just came from did. We continued down this dusty path and came around another corner and came to a stop. The path ended here and was replaced by a large open space covered in lush grass, a short distance from us I could see gently rolling hill. I could see far enough to see three or four 'rows' of these hills, one behind the other. Very beautiful and serene but what was most astounding about these hills was that they were completely covered by people, standing so closely together that not one more person could have stood with them. There was a small open space between where the path ended and this large crowd stood, which is how I knew the grass was so lush.
On this grass, about midway between the end of the path and where the crowd started stood two people, one man, one woman. As remarkable as this whole scene was I was still even more astounded to see not one strand of hair on any of their heads, not one anywhere.
The two in front spoke no words but it was quite plain they were pleased to see 'Him'. No words were spoken to any from 'Him' either.
We turned and went back from where we had come from. Back into the little hallway till we turned left at the larger one.
We continued down this for some distance until we came to a doorway that was on our left.
I heard a voice say "This is a safe place for you."
The door opened and I went inside to a circular room about 50 steps in width. The room was decorated in many shades of brown and the 'outer wall' had shelves that went way round all filled with books. The middle had furnishings that matched the colors of the bookcases.
The door closed and I was alone.
I stood for a moment and went to the door and opened it just a crack. What I felt was sheer terror, and quickly re-closed the door and felt the terror was gone, as long as the door remained closed.
What was outside was not only terror but evil in that it had nothing good planned for me should I be foolish enough to open my door and go into the passage on my own.
I got up onto my feet at point.

[passerbye999]

I don't believe in classifications, you are who you are. As for your vision it is good you wrote it down it was for you. You were obviously meant to learn something from it. I have had many visions I write them down into poems so I won't forget them. I lucid dream so have interesting dreams as well. There is no need to upgrade the techniques they have been around for almost two thousand years and have stood the test of time.

[megahertz]

I only wrote it out as it was part of a thread, the fact it was 12 years after the event pretty much shows that I was not going to forget any detail.

Anyway, this isn't really what I expected so, ........ catch you later.
Peace unto your house

[danceswithbunnies]

Originally Posted by passerbye999

The Indian practices some people do substitute into the missing parts for it fits as well. I find Taoist practices more advanced though and well rounded. They are also better for health and longevity.

Hmm, i was thinking more of Tibetan Vajrayana which features some of the shamanistic elements of Bon thrown in..(not that i am an expert)

I know that Taoism is about achieving immortality...
Since in "LOGOS" is actually the same concept as TAO i see the reasoning.

I am getting confused...i had read somewhere that JING was your original essence...Apparently this comes from your mother and father..This particular system called it original essence and you have a finite amount of it at birth.
Could you explain a little about that?

About the three treasures..So basically you are using Jing and Chi to build the etheric body?

So how does building the etheric keep you alive longer?

I know that they say JING can be dissipated by emotions, why is that?

When the shen is nourished the pineal gland is activated as well for it is part of the upper elixir field.

But what if the Pineal is calcified by the flouride in the water?

I had a book about Prana breathing but honestly lost interest in that author after he suggested not bathing after the exercises because the Qi/Prana could be washed off of your skin...which seemed a bit odd to me.

Apologies if that is too many questions.