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Old 18-04-2012, 08:38 PM   #1
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I am starting this thread on Esoteric Christianity. I will see how it goes to see how far I will go. Most Christians don’t know the symbolism and metaphor used in the Book so I will start with a short post and add to it as time progresses. I would like to start with pointing out a few things, I am not going to bother posting the exact verses because that requires to much effort and if people want to troll they can do the research themselves. I am simply going to state my take as briefly as possible.

In the Torah it states Moses took with him all the secrets of Egypt with him. Job was an astrologer. In Job Satan is YHWH’s servant not an enemy. The Holy of Holies comes from Egypt. The Trinity comes from Egypt; God the Father, Osiris -the Sun; The Holy Spirit (Ruach Hakodesh or Sophia), Isis-the Moon; Jesus , Horus - The morning star Venus; Satan, Set - the evening star- Venus. Horus and Set balance the scales they are brothers(maybe brother sister). The Pentagram is the human form ; a head , two arms and two legs. Male point down and female point up. The pentagram is Venus. The three brightest lights in the sky started religion.

The sun nourishes and natures us when it sets the moon comes out casting the suns light giving us comfort until the sun rises again in the morning. This of course is the mystic side it does not refute a real Jesus but there is a story and a hidden story. In Esoteric Christianity Earth magic is practiced, a respect and unity with creation. Acknowledging we are a part of not above the natural phenomena of the world. It is a spiritual practice where internal alchemy is practiced and sex magic. Sex magic both solitary and with a partner. Magic is a natural phenomena and is as old as creation itself. The word though tends to send bells and whistles off in some people because they don't understand the practice always associating it with evil. Once understood it is the same as anything it is all about intention.

Internal alchemy deals with internal energy the life force and the spirit. There is the body, mind, spirit and soul. Internal energy is used to nourish the spirit . All aspects of the body are trained for the purpose of health and longevity. It is a form of Hermetic Practice. I describe the meditations and one breathing form in my Ch’an thread 2nd post. The first 3 posts actually sum up a lot of the work. I found the Book mentions and eludes to different forms of practice but doesn’t teach anything. I was taught ch’an and chi kung and over time added to it myself and created my own system based on theurgy.

Some might say that the cross Jesus the Sun was hung on is the heavenly cross. His 12 disciples the 12 major constellations, thirteen if you count Paul and the extra constellation. The 72 followers the 72 minor constellations. It all depends how you look at it. The 12 constellations also represent the 12 tribes of Israel I am of Judah born in August. The Lion. I just kind of threw this together but it is a start I want to see what happens. This should be enough to at least start a conversation off.

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I've a feeling I know how this one will go, but the OP is decent, the number 12 a good start. *subbed* for later.
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Very good thread!

Also, if you put these symbols into practice, they will take you home.
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Very good thread!

Also, if you put these symbols into practice, they will take you home.
Thanks changingmyself.
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The art of healing and massage comes from the laying on of hands. It is a misunderstood practice and is quite involved. First of all one has to know how energy enters and exists the body. There are 5 gates that energy passes through; the top of the head where energy from the universe comes in and your energy goes out to it, the soles of the feet where energy from the earth follows the same pattern as that of the head and the palms of the hands where energy comes in and goes out.

First one needs to learn to practice what is called 5 gates breathing. You use basic abdominal breathing which I discuss in the chan thread under chi breathing. When you breath in through the nose you visualise energy coming in through the gates and traveling to the naval area. When you exhale through the mouth the energy reverse back out of the body. Once you have completed several breaths you vigourously rub your palms together until they get warm.

Now healing and massage are the same thing it can be done static or kinetic or both. I will discuss static first. Using the back as a point of reference place both hands on either side of the spine so that the palms are gently pressing and the fingers are relaxed. When you inhale through the nose visualise the energy coming through your head and feet to the naval but not the hands. Exhale through the nose and visualise the energy moving from the naval through the arms to the palms and out through the fingers. Keep your concentration on the place where your palms are touching your partner. You will start to feel warmth after a bit keep the exersise up until you can't keep focus any longer.

To do it kinetically do the same thing but gently rub and kneed. Always keeping focus on the point of contact. Expirament with it all over the body. Eventually you will be able to bring it to your finger tips and thumbs as well. When you move to that stage maintain palm contact still but the palms are staic and the fingers are kinetic. Practice until you can give full body massages this way.

Laying on of hands can also stand for masturbation. Ritual as well as normal.

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Its funny when you learn about the body and the more you learn not just one system.
You realise there is a Creator.
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Its funny when you learn about the body and the more you learn not just one system.
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Yes most definately. One Creator one Creation. Everything mixes and blends so you see a commonality an origin if you will. many roots one tree many branches but one Gardener.
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I am starting this thread on Esoteric Christianity. I will see how it goes to see how far I will go. Most Christians don’t know the symbolism and metaphor used in the Book so I will start with a short post and add to it as time progresses. I would like to start with pointing out a few things, I am not going to bother posting the exact verses because that requires to much effort and if people want to troll they can do the research themselves. I am simply going to state my take as briefly as possible.

In the Torah it states Moses took with him all the secrets of Egypt with him. Job was an astrologer. In Job Satan is YHWH’s servant not an enemy. The Holy of Holies comes from Egypt. The Trinity comes from Egypt; God the Father, Osiris -the Sun; The Holy Spirit (Ruach Hakodesh or Sophia), Isis-the Moon; Jesus , Horus - The morning star Venus; Satan, Set - the evening star- Venus. Horus and Set balance the scales they are brothers(maybe brother sister). The Pentagram is the human form ; a head , two arms and two legs. Male point down and female point up. The pentagram is Venus. The three brightest lights in the sky started religion.

The sun nourishes and natures us when it sets the moon comes out casting the suns light giving us comfort until the sun rises again in the morning. This of course is the mystic side it does not refute a real Jesus but there is a story and a hidden story. In Esoteric Christianity Earth magic is practiced, a respect and unity with creation. Acknowledging we are a part of not above the natural phenomena of the world. It is a spiritual practice where internal alchemy is practiced and sex magic. Sex magic both solitary and with a partner. Magic is a natural phenomena and is as old as creation itself. The word though tends to send bells and whistles off in some people because they don't understand the practice always associating it with evil. Once understood it is the same as anything it is all about intention.

Internal alchemy deals with internal energy the life force and the spirit. There is the body, mind, spirit and soul. Internal energy is used to nourish the spirit . All aspects of the body are trained for the purpose of health and longevity. It is a form of Hermetic Practice. I describe the meditations and one breathing form in my Ch’an thread 2nd post. The first 3 posts actually sum up a lot of the work. I found the Book mentions and eludes to different forms of practice but doesn’t teach anything. I was taught ch’an and chi kung and over time added to it myself and created my own system based on theurgy.

Some might say that the cross Jesus the Sun was hung on is the heavenly cross. His 12 disciples the 12 major constellations, thirteen if you count Paul and the extra constellation. The 72 followers the 72 minor constellations. It all depends how you look at it. The 12 constellations also represent the 12 tribes of Israel I am of Judah born in August. The Lion. I just kind of threw this together but it is a start I want to see what happens. This should be enough to at least start a conversation off.
Fascinating.

Is sex magic the mastering of the God force in the body, the raising of the
kundalini energy?

Did Jesus the male and Mary Magdalene the female practice this sacred
art together?

Was it her that introduced Jesus to this science?

here is an interesting piece.

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Kundalini and the Alien Force

Gnostic and Tantric Practices of Sacred Sexuality



The exploration of Gnosticism may be one of the more revealing pursuits of our time, and it is certainly one of the more difficult. Since Gnostics were suppressed in the 4th Century, disinformation about them has run amok. There is no clear and consistent presentation of Gnostic views, either in the slim surviving materials or in modern scholarship. To add to the confusion, Gnostics were initiates in the Mystery schools, and initiates were bound by a vow of silence about many things they experienced — although not, fortunately, about all things.


Body Knowledge

One of the stickiest subjects in Gnostic studies is the question of sexual practices: Did they do it, or didn't they? By some accounts, Gnostics were ascetics who rejected the world as the fabrication of a pseudo-creator, Jehovah, identified by them as an alien deity or Archon. It is now widely recognized that the accusation of world-denial cannot fairly be laid on Gnostics, and more properly ought to be directed to Christian ideologues who falsely imputed hatred of the body to the "heretics," thereby cleverly diverting attention from their own disgust for nature and human embodiment.

One Gnostic scholar, M. A. Williams, has dedicated an entire book to refuting and sometimes reversing the disinformation about Gnostics, their views, and practices. In Rethinking 'Gnosticism', he states that, far from despising the body, it is far more likely that Gnostics believed that "precisely in the human body is to be found the best visible trace of the divine in the material world." (p. 117. His emphasis.) From meticulous analysis of textual references, and line by line examination of the polemic writings of the Church Fathers against Gnosticism, Williams concludes that "the familiar cliches about 'gnostic hatred of,' 'contempt for,' 'hostility to,' the body fail completely as interpretations of what these sources overall have to say about the question." (p. 137) Williams argues that Gnostics were deeply commited to healing themselves and others, and "far more optimistic about what actually could be done to transform somatic experience," than their opponents. (p. 137. His emphasis.)




In the sacred art of Tibet, mating divinities are called Yab-Yum, "mother-father," identical to the coupled Aeons in Gnostic cosmology. In rites of sacramental sex, the partners imitate mating divinities, but they do not become gods. The purpose of the rite is to heighten pleasure to the level where it becomes the medium of "cosmic consciousness." (Vajraghanta, Mural painting, Gyantse, 15th C. In Philip Rawson, Sacred Tibet, p. 51)

By some accounts, which are usually condemnatory, Gnostics engaged in ritual orgies that involved the ingestion of sexual fluids as sacramental substances. By far the most scandalous account of this kind comes from Epiphanius (376 - 403 CE), a heresy-hunter who infiltrated the Ophite cult of “Snake-worshippers.” He reported that the Ophites


venerate the Serpent because God has made it the cause of Gnosis for mankind. Ialdabaoth [Gnostic name for Jehovah, the false creator god] did not wish humankind to have any recollection of the Generators (Aeons), the Cosmic Mothers and Cosmic Fathers on high. It was the serpent who, by tempting them, brought Gnosis to our parents; who taught the first people of our kind the complete knowledge of the Mysteries from on high.
(Cited in Jean Doresse, The Secret Books of the Egyptian Gnostics).

Here, typically, Gnostic myth reverses Judeo-Christian tradition: the serpent in Eden is a benefactor, not a malefactor. How does such a passage stand against the Gnostics’ description of sinister aliens, the reptilian Archons, who intrude on humanity? Are the predatory reptilians merely the shadow-side of another snake-like force that acts for our good? A twisty issue, here. The answer would seem to lie in the true nature of sexual practices of the Gnostics.


Magna Mater

There is no doubt that some Gnostic sects were ascetic and practiced total abstention from sexual intercourse. For example, there is the sect that produced the channelled material known as Books of Ieou (non Nag Hammadi), a patchy collection of teachings on the afterlife. This Gnostic group believed themselves to have a sacred responsibility to preserve esoteric knowledge regarding the "Treasuries of the Light," and the "Receivers," benevolent spiritual entities and guides we encounter when we die. The arcane material in the Books of Ieou includes a brief condemnatory outburst against other sects who practice sexual magic. Apparently, continence was necessary for the keepers of Ieou to know what they knew. This outburst of one Gnostic sect against another is unique in all surviving Gnostic materials.

Apart from Williams' meticulous deconstruction of the world-denial ("anti-cosmic dualism") attributed to Gnostics, I have argued in more elementary terms that the Gnostic vision of life, being as it was centered on Sophia, the divinity embodied in the Earth, could not have fostered or supported contempt for the material world, the realm of the senses, and the human body. Everything Gnostics thought and taught depended on direct communion with the Goddess Sophia, whose name means wisdom. This was true for the Mysteries in general, and for the Gnostic adepts in particular. Sophia was a cosmic version of the Magna Mater, the Great Mother worshipped in many ancient religions. Even the Church Fathers, who condemned Gnostics as world-haters, affirmed that the Mysteries in all their diversity were unanimous in the consecration of the initiates to the Great Mother.

Historians of religion agree that Pagan spirituality involved sacramental sexuality, orgies, rites of empowerment through sexual yoga. (On the figure of Mary Magdalene as an adept of sacramental sex, see She Who Anoints.) The Tantric sects in India present a close parallel to the Ophites — so close in fact, that the report of Epiphanius could be applied to Tantrics as well. Tantrics (or Tantrikas, as they are more properly called) are experimental mystics who arouse the “Serpent power,” Kundalini, a force concealed in the human body, in order to achieve cosmic consciousness and awaken siddhis, occult powers. It is more than likely that Gnostics in their sexual orgies had the same aim.

Clearly, then, the mythical serpent worshipped by the Ophites cannot be equated with the reptilian predators described in Gnostic texts and the Dead Sea Scrolls. More likely, the Ophite serpent is not entirely a mythical version of the serpent of Eden, but is identical with Kundalini, the serpent power that resides at the base of the spine in human anatomy. This being so, sexual orgies among the Gnostics would not have been merely for the pleasure and indulgence (although they would not have excluded that, either!). They worshipped the supernatural force that resided in their own bodies. In fact, the word “orgy,” Greek orgia, means simply, “working, activation.” The orgia of the serpent power was a rite for activation of Kundalini in Tantric and Gnostic practices alike.

The Gospel of Philip contains the scandalous passage that describes Jesus french-kissing Mary Magdalene. It is also the one text from Nag Hammadi that gives the most explicit description of the sexual orgia, but in symbolic language, or insider jargon, if you will. The text asserts that all harm on earth is due to the conflict between the sexes, but this problem can be overcome by a corporal rite of re-union.(See commentary by the translator, Wesley W. Isenberg, in The Nag Hammadi Library in English, 1990, p. 139ff.) The act of sacramental coupling occurs in a “bridal chamber” called the nymphion, or perhaps it produces the nymphion. The ritual involves light, and Kundalini is also associated with a soft blaze of milk-white light that produces an electrical surge of ecstasy up the spine. The text explicitly says that the light veils and protects the partners joined in sacred sexual union:

The alien powers do not see those who are clothed in the perfect light, and so they are not able to restrain them. By the rite of sacramental union, one is ensheathed in this light.” (Gospel of Philip, passage 70)

Nymphion was a code term for the cell-of-light or protective aura generated by ritual intercourse. Within the cell, the initiates overcome the influence of the Archons who produce error in our minds, and threaten to take over our bodies — although it must be added that Gnostics insisted that threat of intrusion at the bodily level is exaggerated by the Archons themselves, to make us believe they possess more power over us than they actually have! One such error concerns resurrection:

Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing. (Passage 72)

This is core Gnostic teaching, stated in such a way as to refute Judeo-Christian beliefs on survival after death, beliefs held precious to millions of people today, but considered by Gnostics as delusional notions insinuated in our minds by the alien force, the Archons. It also sends a clear message about our ability to enter deeply into the biological mysteries of nature, for it claims that we can experience resurrection before we die. This assertion has many parallels in Asian Tantric teachings, of course. In both Hindu and Tibetan traditions, yogis of high attainment are said to achieve complete regeneration of the body and resurrect themselves; hence, when they die, they did not die in a normal way. (See, for instance, the legendary accounts in Masters of Meditation and Miracles by Tulku Thondup.)

The more one considers Gnosticism in parallel to Shaivism, Hindu Tantra, Tantric Buddhism, and Dzogchen, the more likely it seems that some Gnostics were mahasiddhis, yogis of high attainment, due to their mastery of the serpent power. The technique of psychosomatic illumination by raising Kundalini was not unique to Gnosticism, but it was certainly central to its practices. In Shiva and Dionysos, Alain Danielou draws close parallels between the Greek cults of ecstasy dedicated to Dionysos, and the Dravidian cults of Shiva worship indigenous to Southern India. Citing Epiphanius' eye-witness account of Gnostic orgies, Danielou remarks that Gnostic teachings on sexual magic "are very close to the idea of Shaivism." (p. 223) Likewise, Sir John Woodruffe, the great exponent of Hindu Tantra to the West, directly compares the Gnostic worship of the Magna Mater to Tantric adoration of the Devi Shakti, the "Mother Power." He says that in the ancient Mysteries, just as in the Tantric cults of India, the aim of sexual rites was to awaken the divine forces in the body:


An ancient feature of this faith [Tantricism] and one belonging to the ancient Mysteries is the distinction which it draws between the initiate whose Shakti is awake (PreBuddha) and the Pashu, the unillumined or "animal" person, or, as the Gnostics called them, "materialists." The Natural, which is the manifestation of the Mother of Nature, and the Spiritual, or the Mother as She is in and by Herself, are one, but the initiate alone truly recognizes this unity.(Shiva and Shakti, p. 88)


In this passage, Woodruffe clarifies how the Aeon Sophia, identical to the "Mother of Nature," is both embodied in the natural world and not so embodied, remaining "as She is in and by Herself," because Sophia remains an Aeon of the Pleroma even though She has morphed into the planet Earth. Such statements do not come from intellectual speculation, but from direct experience of the very cosmic powers being described.

Sex and Death

In his account of Gnostic-Shivaite parallels, Danielou describes the faculties of higher perception acquired by activation of the serpent power. These are called siddhis (sounds like cities), "attainments," and those who attain them are siddhas, or mahasiddhas. The Asian siddha is the exact counterpart of the "adept" in the Mystery Schools. Adept comes from the Latin root, adipisci-, "touch, gain, attain." Adept is closely related to aptitude; hence the adepts (AD-epts) were men and women with special aptitudes. In the meeting of Mary Magalene and Jesus in the Garden on Easter morning, the Gospel writer has Jesus say to her, Me mou aptou, usually translated as, "Do not touch me." But in a Gnostic reworking of that incident, he could as well have said. "You can see me, but cannot reach me, until you to have attained this state for yourself," if he were indeed a Gnostic master appearing in the docetic body, or phantom body, as some Gnostic teachers claimed. The phantom body of the Gnostics is called in Buddhism the Nirmanakaya.

Describing the yogic attainments of the Shivaite mahasiddhas, Danielou cites a Tantric text, the Samkhya-Karika:

The yogi who has perfected the Siddhis thus acquires powers like those which belong to the gods. These are essentially the power of vision and the power of knowledge, that is to say, omniscience, as well as the actional or facultative siddhis (kriyashaktis), which are nine in number. (p. 94-5)

Among the siddhis listed are the ability to see on the microscopic or molecular level, the power to transport oneself at a distance, and the power to read minds. The adepts of the Mysteries would have attained these powers, and applied them to their work in teaching and training neophytes. Due to their specialist insight on the intrusion of the Archons, it is likely that Gnostics would have developed the powers required not only to detect the alien force, but to resist it. To prevent the "archontic pirates" from capturing the body (ibid., Williams, p. 137), they would have developed a whole range of defensive and immunological tactics. Modern studies of Kundalini emphasize its effects in boosting the immune system, or "strengthening the human aura," in New Age terms.

In Gnostic practices an ecstatic encounter with Divinity occurred in a kind of hermetic cell or sacred aura, called the “bridal chamber” or nymphion. The Greek writer Pausanius, who was extremely cautious about disclosing any secrets relative to the Mysteries, uses the word nymphion, so it does not appear isolated in Gnostic sources. Despite the elimination of countless documents, especially those that may have described sexual rites, there is ample textual evidence that Gnostic practices leading to “divinization” of the participants involved an act of sacramental sexual coupling in the nymphion. "Now the light is the chrism (the anointing fluid." (Passage 69) In Tibetan teachings, the ultimate mystical experience of "White Light" occurs uniquely when we die, and only for a fleeting instant for those who have not previously attained the capacity to hold the Light in their attention. But from Gnostic reports it appears that this experience could be achieved in more ways than one. Through sex and in death, alike.

The Gospel of Philip celebrates the mystico-erotic union in the bridal chamber as the most holy of rites by which the initiates are “begotten by Christos in the two.” This act is rigorously distinguished from ordinary carnal intercourse:

Whereas in this world the union is one of husband with wife... in the aeon the form of the union is different. [This is possible because] Christos came to repair the separation which was from the beginning, and unite again the two, and give life to those who died as a result of the separation.

The "Christos" in this passage is not Christ of the Pauline and Johannine doctrines, not the incarnate Son of God. In Gnostic jargon, Christos is the Aeon coupled with Sophia, her male cosmic counterpart. In Christian faith, the blood of the God-man, Jesus, gives life to humanity and heals our separation from the Father God, but to Gnostics these were delusional notions that imitate and distort the truth. In the Gnostic sexual sacrament, the bliss of the man and woman joined in sacred union is what repairs our separation from God, for the Gods (Aeons), who are eternally blissful, are the source of body bliss as well. The rapture of the Gods makes the blood stream in our veins. Uniting in sacramental sex “gives life to those who died.”


The Alien Force

If Kundalini is a biological force, as is widely attested in the writings of Western investigators such as Lee Sanella and Arnold Mindell, the other kind of serpent power may be distinctly anti-biological. The Archons are said to envy humanity, for a number of reasons, but primarily because we live in the body of their Mother!! According to Gnostic creation myth, the Archons are a species of inorganic beings produced anomalously by the impact of the Aeon Sophia upon atomic matter, before the Sophia herself became transformed into the Earth. They are called Archons, from archai, "prior, from the beginning," because they arose before the Earth and the solar system were evolved, but they did not emerge directly from the Pleroma, as humanity did. (On the emanation of Atu Kadmon, the Anthropos template, see The Promise of a Lonely Planet, part three, and the Gaia Mythos, Episode 10.)

In their attempt to intrude upon humanity, which has been ongoing for millennia, the Archons use a lot of bluff and bravado. They affect our minds to get us to believe they can do far more than they can actually do, but in so believing, we unwittingly surrender our power to them — the result is, they get their way with us, because we have betrayed our own capacities. Hence the Archons claim to rule over humanity, and even pretend to have been our creators, as is recounted in the Sumerian cunieform record of the Annunaki, accepted as true by Zecharia Sitchin and many other sincere investigators. The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in 1947 at the very moment the Nag Hammadi texts were initially recognized to be rare Gnostic materials, contain explicit accounts of direct threats posed by reptilians. For instance, the Testament of Amram:


I saw Watchers in my vision, the dream-vision. Two of them were fighting over me, saying… and holding a great contest over me. I asked them, “Who are you, that you are thus empowered over me?” They answered me, “We have been empowered and rule over mankind.” And they said to me, "Which one of us [will have you]?" And I lifted my eyes, and looked at one of them directly. His appearance was dreadfully frightening, and his skin was multicolored, darkly glittering scales. (4Q542)

(Note: The "Watchers" are consistently identified with the Annunaki in modern ET/Alien speculation.)
As I have explained elsewhere in this site, a Gnostic sect called the Archontics was stationed on the Dead Sea south of Qumran. Gifted with powers of paranormal perception, such as remote viewing, Gnostic seers who had met and repelled Archons observed the persisting presence of reptilians among the Dead Sea cult of the Zaddikim. The First Apocalypse of James (NHL V, 3), which contains descriptions of face-to-face encounters with the reptilian aliens, warns that "Jerusalem is a dwelling place of many Archons." But the Gnostic teacher adds,a crucial insight, typical of the highly nuanced knowledge of the Mystery School adepts, "These powers are not armed against you specifically, but they are armed against each other." (Passage 27) This line not only corroborates contemporary scenarios that describe conflict between the aliens who are among us, it also indicates that their powers are more engaged in battling each other than in overcoming us.

Nevertheless, they have overcome us, in certain ways. Due to their subtle tactic of intimidation via false beliefs, the Archons can get us to surrender our power. To betray ourselves to them in the deepest way, in a terminal act of self-effacement, we would have to give up our bodies and surrender the hidden powers within our bodies. Gnostic initiatory practices were directed toward strengthening our embodiment by the arousal of Kundalini, which grounds us in the Earth. Kundalini means the small ("ini") Kundala, "serpentine or spiralling power." The big Kundala is the serpent power of the Earth itself, the swirling Erotic currents of Gaia. She, the Earth Mother, is the supreme ambient force that holds DNA configured in its spiralling chains of nucleic acid. When Kundalini is awakened in sacred sexual rites or otherwise, it grounds the human body consciously into the planetary body. This is the ultimate aim of Kundalini yoga: not escape from the body, not deification of the participants, but grounding into Gaia, the Godhead of Nature.

In the nymphion, Gnostics bathed in ecstatic luminosity which they considered to radiate from the Godhead, the Pleroma of Aeons, via the Aeon Sophia who is embodied in the Earth. The absorption of these emanations effectuates sexual healing and repairs the split or rupture between the sexes ("gender rift") that arose on the cosmological level when Sophia fell, shearing the Anthropos template.

The cosmos is healed through what has been most deeply wounded, human sexuality.



The Gnostic Succotash: Orphic ceremonial bowl showing sixteen naked adepts, eight men and eight women, in a circle with their feet touching. ("The Sanctum of the Winged Serpent," Orphic bowl, 200-300 CE. In Joseph Campbell, Creative Mythology, p. 96.)

The Aeon Sophia, acting without a consort, plunged from the Pleroma, but it is also Sophia, now “grounded” on Earth, who connects humanity to the cosmic Source. The most direct and dynamic form of connection was effectuated in the ecstatic streaming of Kundalini during the sacred orgia. These rites were practiced to protect the circle of adepts (the Gnostic cell of sixteen mystai, shown above) from the meddlesome pranks of the Archons. High Archontic immunity (HAI?) is perhaps what we need today, facing as we do the ravages of HIV on the planet, not to mention sexual mores gone to wrack and ruin. With unusual candor, Tobias Churton asserts that Gnostics thought "intercourse is good for your spiritual development." (The Gnostics, p. 59)

For it is by a kiss that the perfected hearts, the adepts, conceive and give birth. For this reason we also kiss one another. We receive a conception of our humanity from the grace found in each other....

Spiritual love is all wine and fragrance." (The Gospel of Philip)

In the Gnostic version of the Fall from Paradise, there is no sin on the part of our ancestral parents. It is not humanity who falls, but Sophia, the Wisdom Goddess. The Serpent in Eden is Kundalini, a sublime ally to humanity, not a tempter. In some Gnostic texts, the serpent power is called "the instructor." Eve, the ancestral representative of the human species, acquires from the serpent ally the secret knowledge for the Mysteries.

“It was the Serpent who, by tempting Eve, brought Gnosis to our parents.”
http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique...aliniForce.php
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Here is the hebrew alphabet and the corresponding symbolism. It is part of the Bible whether written or not. Hidden meanings come with oral tradition. Many secrets are unknown and must be discovered. Jesus was a Jew so the Zohar and the Bible must be studied.

# / Letter / Gematria / Sign / Meaning / Month
1 / aleph / 1 / air /
2 / beth / 2 / mercury ( wisdom/folly)
3 / gimmel / 3 / moon ( grace/indignity)
4 / daleth / 4 / venus ( fertility/solitude)
5 / he / 5 / aries / sight ( nisan/april)
6 / waw / 6 / taurus / hearing ( iyar /may )
7 / zayin / 7 / gemini / smell ( sivan /june )
8 / heth / 8 / cancer / speech ( tammuz/july)
9 / teth / 9 / leo / taste ( av/august)
10 /yod / 10 / virgo / eros (elul/september)
11/ kaph / 20 / jupiter ( life/death)
12/ lamed / 30 / libra / work (tishrei/october)
13/ mem / 40 / water
14/ nun / 50 / scorpio / movement / ( chesvan/november)
15/ samech / 60 / sagitarrius / anger / ( kislev/december)
16/ ayin / 70 / capricorn / mirth / (tevet /january
17 /pe / 80 / mars ( power/servitude)
18/ sadhe / 90 / aquarius / imagination (shovat/february)
19/ qoph / 100 / pisces / sleep ( adar/march)
20/ resh / 200 / sun ( peace/war)
21/ shin / 300 / fire
22/ tav / 400 / saturn ( riches/poverty)

Air,water,fire=3 mothers
planets=7 doubles
constellations=12 simples

Numerology comes with gematria. Sorry for the spacing I am not to computer literate.

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Fascinating.

Is sex magic the mastering of the God force in the body, the raising of the
kundalini energy?

Did Jesus the male and Mary Magdalene the female practice this sacred
art together?

Was it her that introduced Jesus to this science?

here is an interesting piece.



http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique...aliniForce.php
That is an interesting read I will have to take some time to go through it properly. As for Jesus and Mary I believe so personaly and they had a child. I think it was her the sacred feminine who taught him and he taught her other mysteries it was a mutual arrangemant. Kundalini is a similar process so yes in a way. Instead of just raising it though it is circulated.

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This subject only exists because the stolen concepts Christianity's creators used to fill in their program. Jesus is simply based on a stolen concept from the Pagan world.etc

Good article on this:


http://see_the_truth.webs.com/Jesus_Christ.htm


The Truth About "Jesus Christ"

Many of you who visit this website know the facts regarding the Nazarene being a fictitious Jewish archetype for Gentiles to slavishly worship. Above all the Nazarene is a diversion and distraction to keep humanity from true spirituality, from working on and advancing our own souls. The fictitious character of "Jesus" was invented from spiritual CONCEPTS originating in the Far East, such as spiritual alchemy, the kundalini energy, and what is known as the "vril" "chi" "life-force" and "witchpower." Truth be known, one saves one's own soul through advancing spiritually, and activating this power. The Nazarene is a deterrent to this and keeps humanity from doing anything spiritually, and keeps humanity enslaved through living a totally material existence. Christians cannot argue, as they do not know true spirituality. They have not experienced it. How many Christian preachers/priests can diagram the human soul?

Once one's eyes are opened and one is aware of the witchpower concept, one can clearly see how this character was invented.

The fictitious character of the Nazarene:

Has been used to remove all spiritual knowledge and replace it with Jewish archetypes, Jewish cities, towns, and other fictitious Jewish material crap. The "Jesus saves" baloney [ad nauseum] and the "born again" phrases have been twisted and incorporated into this fictitious character. In other words, deluded ones have been deceived into believing this character will take care of everything spiritual as long as they conform to the agenda. This deters one from working on one's own spirituality. There is nothing at all spiritual about the Nazarene, or the Jewish invented Christian program.


The "Jesus" character has acted as the thought police for ultimate control. Wars have been fought repeatedly over beliefs and ideas. When the enemy controls what is in the mind of humanity, the enemy then controls humanity.


Since the Nazarene is fictitious, he can be anything to anyone. He is whatever the current system claims and dictates. He changes with the times and conforms to any agenda, no different from the Judeo/Christian Bible which is has verses and contradictions to suit any argument or purpose. [See The Ubiquitous Nazarene]

It is time everyone wakes up to the spiritual corruption that has played humanity to the tune of trillions and trillions of dollars, damned souls, unnecessary wars, held back science [dangerously], and everything else the kosher parasites have taken their deluded Gentile followers for a ride with. The Christian program, along with the hideous doctrines of Islam have prevented and stopped humanity from evolving spiritually.

Each event in the fictitious life of the Nazarene reveals a CONCEPT, STOLEN AND CORRUPTED FROM PAGAN RELIGIONS PREDATING CHRISTIANITY.
The birth of the Nazarene is said to have been in a cave, not in a stable. "Early Christian tradition suggests that Jesus was born in a cave that was used as a stable."2 Many doctrines predating Christianity, such as the religion of Taoism, state that the pineal gland is within a "cave." There is an area within the brain where this very important spiritual center is located, which feels like a hollow and is the seat of this very important gland, which is defunct in most people. A very important key to opening the soul and advancing spiritually is through activating the pineal gland.

There were the "Three Wise Men from the East" who "FOLLOWED THE STAR" to the birth place of the Nazarene. These "Wise Men" were mages [The Magi], otherwise known as practitioners of witchcraft, as this is what a mage is. Again, this is symbolic of a concept, stolen from Spiritual Alchemy. For those who are new to the occult and meditation, [true spirituality] you will have to do some further research and study [see Joy of Satan] but for those of us who meditate, we know of the condensed vril/witchpower which is circulated through the chakras, and appears as a star. This is the true meaning of "follow the star."

Again, the number three, like the number seven [the seven chakras] crops up in the three mages and this is symbolic of the ida, the pingala, and the sushumna, the three main nadis of the soul, and also the three knots of the chakras. The concept of the number three has been prolific in Pagan religions that preceded Christianity by hundreds to thousands of years, and is symbolized by the "Devil's Pitchfork" known as a "Trishul" which originated in the Far East. The Trishul symbolizes the serpentine energy piercing through the three granthis. [See Satanic Symbols] The numbers three and seven are used extensively in the Judeo/Christian Bible where they have been blasphemed and corrupted.

The "virgin birth" is another corrupted concept in that the chakras have to be clean and unobstructed for spiritual energy to ascend and circulate. In other words, this is the true meaning of "pure." The union with the fictitious deity symbolizes the divine spirituality involved in raising the witchpower, not fictitious YHVH which is nothing more than Jewish magick to enslave Gentiles.

The supposed crucifixion of this imposter character was stolen from some 18 different Pagan Gods who hung from a tree. In the Christian bible, there is more than one verse that states the Nazarene was hung from a tree:

Acts 5:30 - The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13:29 - And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulcher.

The Norse God Odin preceded Jesus the Christ. Odin hung from a tree and experienced a death of sorts to obtain knowledge. Through being "reborn," he obtained gnosis [advanced spiritual knowledge], as did the Egyptian God Set who was “crucified” on a “cross” known as a furka.1 This is also the meaning of the hanged man card in the Tarot. Buddha also sat beneath a "Bo Tree." "Bo" is of "Boa" meaning "serpent" the kundalini. The tree is an ancient depiction of the human soul, with the trunk being symbolic of the spine and the branches symbolizing the 144,000 nadis with the leaves and fruits symbolizing the fruits of meditations; the life force and powers of the mind and soul. In addition, Krishna, Marsyas, Dodonian, and Zeus also hung from trees. "144,000" is another Jewish/Christian Biblical corruption of an allegory having to do with one's chi-force or "witchpower."

Nearly everything in the Judeo/Christian Bible was stolen and corrupted from religions in the Far East. The supposed biblical creation in which they claim the fictitious "Garden of Eden" was in Mesopotamia, is to purposely misdirect and delude people away from looking to the Far East, as this is where civilization began and true spiritual teachings originated. Sadly, because of Christian infestation in these areas, many of the doctrines have since been corrupted.

The Latin cross was not a part of Christianity until the 7th century and not fully acknowledged until the 9th century. In addition, the human soul is in the shape of a cross. This reveals how spiritual knowledge has been destroyed and replaced with nonsense. The cross also represents the all-important four quarters.

The eclipse said to have occurred during the supposed "crucifixion" of the Nazarene also symbolizes the nigredo stage in spiritual alchemy, of blackness. This stage is also symbolized by the black crow and the Black Sun.

The three crucifixions, with the Nazarene being in the middle [2 others in the legend were supposedly crucified with the Nazarene] is another allegory symbolizing the main heart chakra and the three knots, also known as "granthis" in Sanskrit. These knots are at the base, heart and sixth chakras and must be opened before the kundalini can ascend. The heart chakra is located in the middle and is the connector between the upper and lower chakras.

The Nazarene's ascent into "Heaven" is another concept of the kundalini rising to the crown chakra. Heaven, Earth, and Hell are all concepts stolen from Taoism, which preceded Christianity and Judaism. Heaven is symbolic of the seventh chakra, also known as the "crown chakra." The earth or "middle kingdom" is symbolic of the heart chakra and "Hell" symbolizes the base chakra, where the hot fiery serpent kundalini lies dormant.

The "miracles" that the fictitious Nazarene performed are also an ALLEGORY and a CONCEPT of what the witchpower can do. The prophesies of the Nazarene are also ALLEGORIES of the psychic abilities that result from activating one's own witchpower.

The 12 apostles are corruptions of the 12 signs of the zodiac and also symbolize the witch's coven, along with the Nazarene, being the 13th member. Traditionally, there are 13 members to a coven. There are also 13 primary chakras within the human soul.

The Nazarene lived for a supposed 33 years. This again is another concept- the 33 vertebrae of the human spine where the kundalini serpent ascends, which is a major advancement for the witchpower.

In closing this article, my own research has shown me Christianity is not "2,000 years old" as they try to claim it is. From what I personally believe, Christianity arrived with The Inquisition. Research points to the Vatican making a deal with extra-terrestrials known as "greys," wealth and power in exchange for human souls. In order for this to succeed, all spiritual knowledge had to be destroyed.


1 The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects" by Barbara G. Walker, Page 54.

2www.christianitytoday.com
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"In the sacred art of Tibet, mating divinities are called Yab-Yum, "mother-father," identical to the coupled Aeons in Gnostic cosmology. In rites of sacramental sex, the partners imitate mating divinities, but they do not become gods. The purpose of the rite is to heighten pleasure to the level where it becomes the medium of "cosmic consciousness."


Is this a clue to what Jesus and Mary Magdalene were really up to?
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This subject only exists because the stolen concepts Christianity's creators used to fill in their program. Jesus is simply based on a stolen concept from the Pagan world.etc

Good article on this:


http://see_the_truth.webs.com/Jesus_Christ.htm


The Truth About "Jesus Christ"

Many of you who visit this website know the facts regarding the Nazarene being a fictitious Jewish archetype for Gentiles to slavishly worship. Above all the Nazarene is a diversion and distraction to keep humanity from true spirituality, from working on and advancing our own souls. The fictitious character of "Jesus" was invented from spiritual CONCEPTS originating in the Far East, such as spiritual alchemy, the kundalini energy, and what is known as the "vril" "chi" "life-force" and "witchpower." Truth be known, one saves one's own soul through advancing spiritually, and activating this power. The Nazarene is a deterrent to this and keeps humanity from doing anything spiritually, and keeps humanity enslaved through living a totally material existence. Christians cannot argue, as they do not know true spirituality. They have not experienced it. How many Christian preachers/priests can diagram the human soul?

Once one's eyes are opened and one is aware of the witchpower concept, one can clearly see how this character was invented.

The fictitious character of the Nazarene:

Has been used to remove all spiritual knowledge and replace it with Jewish archetypes, Jewish cities, towns, and other fictitious Jewish material crap. The "Jesus saves" baloney [ad nauseum] and the "born again" phrases have been twisted and incorporated into this fictitious character. In other words, deluded ones have been deceived into believing this character will take care of everything spiritual as long as they conform to the agenda. This deters one from working on one's own spirituality. There is nothing at all spiritual about the Nazarene, or the Jewish invented Christian program.


The "Jesus" character has acted as the thought police for ultimate control. Wars have been fought repeatedly over beliefs and ideas. When the enemy controls what is in the mind of humanity, the enemy then controls humanity.


Since the Nazarene is fictitious, he can be anything to anyone. He is whatever the current system claims and dictates. He changes with the times and conforms to any agenda, no different from the Judeo/Christian Bible which is has verses and contradictions to suit any argument or purpose. [See The Ubiquitous Nazarene]

It is time everyone wakes up to the spiritual corruption that has played humanity to the tune of trillions and trillions of dollars, damned souls, unnecessary wars, held back science [dangerously], and everything else the kosher parasites have taken their deluded Gentile followers for a ride with. The Christian program, along with the hideous doctrines of Islam have prevented and stopped humanity from evolving spiritually.

Each event in the fictitious life of the Nazarene reveals a CONCEPT, STOLEN AND CORRUPTED FROM PAGAN RELIGIONS PREDATING CHRISTIANITY.
The birth of the Nazarene is said to have been in a cave, not in a stable. "Early Christian tradition suggests that Jesus was born in a cave that was used as a stable."2 Many doctrines predating Christianity, such as the religion of Taoism, state that the pineal gland is within a "cave." There is an area within the brain where this very important spiritual center is located, which feels like a hollow and is the seat of this very important gland, which is defunct in most people. A very important key to opening the soul and advancing spiritually is through activating the pineal gland.

There were the "Three Wise Men from the East" who "FOLLOWED THE STAR" to the birth place of the Nazarene. These "Wise Men" were mages [The Magi], otherwise known as practitioners of witchcraft, as this is what a mage is. Again, this is symbolic of a concept, stolen from Spiritual Alchemy. For those who are new to the occult and meditation, [true spirituality] you will have to do some further research and study [see Joy of Satan] but for those of us who meditate, we know of the condensed vril/witchpower which is circulated through the chakras, and appears as a star. This is the true meaning of "follow the star."

Again, the number three, like the number seven [the seven chakras] crops up in the three mages and this is symbolic of the ida, the pingala, and the sushumna, the three main nadis of the soul, and also the three knots of the chakras. The concept of the number three has been prolific in Pagan religions that preceded Christianity by hundreds to thousands of years, and is symbolized by the "Devil's Pitchfork" known as a "Trishul" which originated in the Far East. The Trishul symbolizes the serpentine energy piercing through the three granthis. [See Satanic Symbols] The numbers three and seven are used extensively in the Judeo/Christian Bible where they have been blasphemed and corrupted.

The "virgin birth" is another corrupted concept in that the chakras have to be clean and unobstructed for spiritual energy to ascend and circulate. In other words, this is the true meaning of "pure." The union with the fictitious deity symbolizes the divine spirituality involved in raising the witchpower, not fictitious YHVH which is nothing more than Jewish magick to enslave Gentiles.

The supposed crucifixion of this imposter character was stolen from some 18 different Pagan Gods who hung from a tree. In the Christian bible, there is more than one verse that states the Nazarene was hung from a tree:

Acts 5:30 - The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13:29 - And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulcher.

The Norse God Odin preceded Jesus the Christ. Odin hung from a tree and experienced a death of sorts to obtain knowledge. Through being "reborn," he obtained gnosis [advanced spiritual knowledge], as did the Egyptian God Set who was “crucified” on a “cross” known as a furka.1 This is also the meaning of the hanged man card in the Tarot. Buddha also sat beneath a "Bo Tree." "Bo" is of "Boa" meaning "serpent" the kundalini. The tree is an ancient depiction of the human soul, with the trunk being symbolic of the spine and the branches symbolizing the 144,000 nadis with the leaves and fruits symbolizing the fruits of meditations; the life force and powers of the mind and soul. In addition, Krishna, Marsyas, Dodonian, and Zeus also hung from trees. "144,000" is another Jewish/Christian Biblical corruption of an allegory having to do with one's chi-force or "witchpower."

Nearly everything in the Judeo/Christian Bible was stolen and corrupted from religions in the Far East. The supposed biblical creation in which they claim the fictitious "Garden of Eden" was in Mesopotamia, is to purposely misdirect and delude people away from looking to the Far East, as this is where civilization began and true spiritual teachings originated. Sadly, because of Christian infestation in these areas, many of the doctrines have since been corrupted.

The Latin cross was not a part of Christianity until the 7th century and not fully acknowledged until the 9th century. In addition, the human soul is in the shape of a cross. This reveals how spiritual knowledge has been destroyed and replaced with nonsense. The cross also represents the all-important four quarters.

The eclipse said to have occurred during the supposed "crucifixion" of the Nazarene also symbolizes the nigredo stage in spiritual alchemy, of blackness. This stage is also symbolized by the black crow and the Black Sun.

The three crucifixions, with the Nazarene being in the middle [2 others in the legend were supposedly crucified with the Nazarene] is another allegory symbolizing the main heart chakra and the three knots, also known as "granthis" in Sanskrit. These knots are at the base, heart and sixth chakras and must be opened before the kundalini can ascend. The heart chakra is located in the middle and is the connector between the upper and lower chakras.

The Nazarene's ascent into "Heaven" is another concept of the kundalini rising to the crown chakra. Heaven, Earth, and Hell are all concepts stolen from Taoism, which preceded Christianity and Judaism. Heaven is symbolic of the seventh chakra, also known as the "crown chakra." The earth or "middle kingdom" is symbolic of the heart chakra and "Hell" symbolizes the base chakra, where the hot fiery serpent kundalini lies dormant.

The "miracles" that the fictitious Nazarene performed are also an ALLEGORY and a CONCEPT of what the witchpower can do. The prophesies of the Nazarene are also ALLEGORIES of the psychic abilities that result from activating one's own witchpower.

The 12 apostles are corruptions of the 12 signs of the zodiac and also symbolize the witch's coven, along with the Nazarene, being the 13th member. Traditionally, there are 13 members to a coven. There are also 13 primary chakras within the human soul.

The Nazarene lived for a supposed 33 years. This again is another concept- the 33 vertebrae of the human spine where the kundalini serpent ascends, which is a major advancement for the witchpower.

In closing this article, my own research has shown me Christianity is not "2,000 years old" as they try to claim it is. From what I personally believe, Christianity arrived with The Inquisition. Research points to the Vatican making a deal with extra-terrestrials known as "greys," wealth and power in exchange for human souls. In order for this to succeed, all spiritual knowledge had to be destroyed.


1 The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects" by Barbara G. Walker, Page 54.

2www.christianitytoday.com
Interesting article. Thanks for that.
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"In the sacred art of Tibet, mating divinities are called Yab-Yum, "mother-father," identical to the coupled Aeons in Gnostic cosmology. In rites of sacramental sex, the partners imitate mating divinities, but they do not become gods. The purpose of the rite is to heighten pleasure to the level where it becomes the medium of "cosmic consciousness."


Is this a clue to what Jesus and Mary Magdalene were really up to?
It could be. It is a good enough description of the process. It is an interesting article as a whole seanx. The gnostic approach is very interesting to bad it was eradicated and can only be peiced together by gleaning into other older traditions such as Taoism. My specialty is Taoist Internal Alchemy so I have pieced much back together though I have never wtitten much about what I practice. From what I have been able to piece together though there is much similarity. After all the human form is the human form whatever tradition it can't change much.

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My great.great,great,great,great grandmother was Mary Catherine Magdalena. Not a common name. My family has always been different when it comes to the common religious practices. My Grandfather's were masons. I have personaly gone my own way but have stayed the same in my beliefs in God. This is why I chose to be a gnostic christian. There is too much in this world that points to gnosis as the true answer to longevity. Longevity is the goal not immortal life. Life is all we know death is an unknown always has been. Jesus has never come back in 2 thousand years what makes us think he will ever come back. He may have been reincarnated but he would never know neither would we. What is important is how we live our lives.
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My great.great,great,great,great grandmother was Mary Catherine Magdalena. Not a common name. My family has always been different when it comes to the common religious practices. My Grandfather's were masons. I have personaly gone my own way but have stayed the same in my beliefs in God. This is why I chose to be a gnostic christian. There is too much in this world that points to gnosis as the true answer to longevity. Longevity is the goal not immortal life. Life is all we know death is an unknown always has been. Jesus has never come back in 2 thousand years what makes us think he will ever come back. He may have been reincarnated but he would never know neither would we. What is important is how we live our lives.
What do you think of spirit guides and fairies ect. elemental spirits.
We all die rather we like it or not.What we know is we are spirit.So this why it is important how we live are life and treat others.But you know this.
Well i know the bible is 66 books.which is the number of the fallen angels in the kabbalah.Why is that?
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I suggest you look in that area of christianity.And yes have a open mind.
That is what i did.
I also dont get caught up in the dogma stuff.
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What do you think of spirit guides and fairies ect. elemental spirits.
We all die rather we like it or not.What we know is we are spirit.So this why it is important how we live are life and treat others.But you know this.
Well i know the bible is 66 books.which is the number of the fallen angels in the kabbalah.Why is that?
.
I suggest you look in that area of christianity.And yes have a open mind.
That is what i did.
I also dont get caught up in the dogma stuff.
You don't get caught up in dogma that is good for you but I don't understand your actual question. Please forgive me for my ignorance. So could you make it more plain.
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You don't get caught up in dogma that is good for you but I don't understand your actual question. Please forgive me for my ignorance. So could you make it more plain.
ITs 3 questions
1st. What do you think of elemental spirits like fairies and and jin ect.
2nd.We are spirit and we have soul right?
3rd. what helped me was i looked into the fallen angels and the bible has 66 books and why is that?Since in the kabbalah that number represents the fallen angels.also why is the book of enoch not in the bible when its the oldest books and was removed.
4th basicaly look into the fallen angels and go from there.You will be surprise what you might find .

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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ITs 3 questions
1st. What do you think of elemental spirits like fairies and and jin ect.
2nd.We are spirit and we have soul right?
3rd. what helped me was i looked into the fallen angels and the bible has 66 books and why is that?Since in the kabbalah that number represents the fallen angels.also why is the book of enoch not in the bible when its the oldest books and was removed.
4th basicaly look into the fallen angels and go from there.You will be surprise what you might find .

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I don't think much about elemental spirits and the like though they might exist. We have a spirit and a soul. Constantine chose the bible as we know it now. I don't worry about fallen angels they don't affect me personaly.
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