"Madeleine" spotted...again / 'Grave' theory

[merla]

Originally Posted by david numen

There is something very special about the McCanns. I've toyed with the notion that some unnamed 10th tapas was involved and it was their importance and influence that created the massive UK Government interference in the case however...they just won't shut up. They've even had an UNPRECEDENTED review of the case with a seemingly unlimited budget ordered by the Prime Minister. A review that so far, after a year, would be laughable if it wasn't true. Andy Pandy of the Yard trying to keep a straight face whilst he tells the world that Maddie is still alive. Sickening.

Also at a time when the police budgets are being decimated, how many stab vests, radios and actual jobs could that money have paid for?

[osiris111]

any parent who is missing a child and then refuses to answer questions DESERVES suspicion in my eyes,

also evrd dogs dont lie or bark on request as some posters on the internet would have you believe.

check out joana morais blogs if your interested in getting to the juicy bits.

poor child, missed by so many, i only hope those words she said will haunt you forever

why did you not come when we were crying for you???????????

you may fool the papers, but not people with at least one brain cell

[n317v]

Originally Posted by iamprobablynot

I don't believe the McCanns killed her / hid her body, as they just wouldn't be drawing the media spotlight to themselves repeatedly if this was the case.

I totally disagree with this theory.

The purpetrators of these sickening crimes are 9 times out of ten a family member who for some crazy notion, thinks that the more obvious they make themselves, the more thay wont be a suspect...a very good example is the huntley case to name one.

[numbersix]

One strange thing out of so many that made me very suspicious of the McCanns is why Kate washed Madeleine's cuddly toy after the so called abduction...

If your child was missing you would want her toy with as much of her aura and smell on it as possible...

Unless of course it had blood on it!!!

Also the McCanns 4 X 4 had the tail hatch open all day several days later and their excuse was that some meat had gone rotten in it so the vehicle needed airing!!!

All the circumstantial evidence implies they are guilty as sin but there is always a very small chance of another explananation

[merla]

Originally Posted by n317v

I totally disagree with this theory.

The purpetrators of these sickening crimes are 9 times out of ten a family member who for some crazy notion, thinks that the more obvious they make themselves, the more thay wont be a suspect...a very good example is the huntley case to name one.

Very true, there was a case of a missing boy who was found murdered in Manchester probably about 10 years ago now, where the killer was a bus driver that was identified as the last known person to see him alive very early on. He befriended the family and made himself very involved in the search and the investigation. Logically you'd think he'd stay away and keep his mouth shut but he obviously thought his actions made him look more innocent. The poor family were even more upset by the fact they'd trusted him and shared their pain with him all the while he knew where their son was and what he'd done to him.

[n317v]

Originally Posted by merla

Very true, there was a case of a missing boy who was found murdered in Manchester probably about 10 years ago now, where the killer was a bus driver that was identified as the last known person to see him alive very early on. He befriended the family and made himself very involved in the search and the investigation. Logically you'd think he'd stay away and keep his mouth shut but he obviously thought his actions made him look more innocent. The poor family were even more upset by the fact they'd trusted him and shared their pain with him all the while he knew where their son was and what he'd done to him.

I think there is some phsychological problem with these people, whereby they feel an opportunity to take centre stage and they practically get mesmerised by their own lies.

[velma]

Originally Posted by uprising

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...g-2070112.html

"To most people Portugal's state-run orphanages seemed like a safe haven for thousands of children who had been robbed of their parents. They were called the Casa Pia, or Houses of the Pious.

But for an elite paedophile ring, which included a former ambassador and a prominent television celebrity, Casa Pia orphanages were something entirely different. They were supermarkets stocked with children to abuse. Yesterday, at the conclusion of the longest trial in Portugal's history, seven defendants were convicted of using the orphanages to rape and abuse scores of teenage boys in a case that has sent shockwaves through the country's political elite and raised serious concerns over the efficiency of Portugal's judiciary. Six of the seven were given jail terms of between five and 18 years."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...-McCann-jailed

"Members of the ring snatched children as they slept at the state-run Casa Pia orphanages in Lisbon and took them to grand houses to endure sickening abuse.
One of the abused boys, Pedro Namora, is now a lawyer and was a key witness in the case.
He wants Portuguese detectives to continue their probe as he believes the ring may be connected to the disappearance of Madeleine at the Praia da Luz resort on the Algarve in May 2007."

The children from Casa Pia and other homes were supplied to important individuals abroad by members of the British Government who were trafficking children from this orphanage and from Belgium. (The Dutroux Affair.) The same Government Ministers and UK Police Commissioners who swung into action to protect the McCann's and the same tycoons who funded them.

Here's one I made earlier:

http://thescum.info/2011/01/10/from-...de-la-garenne/

...But I still believe Madeleine died sometime between the 1st and 3rd of May 2007 and her parents disposed of the corpse, so do the Portuguese.

[schumie]

Originally Posted by ubermensch

The Portugese Police were inept and contaminated the scene.

If those FACTS are correct that is.

So come on then. Why would the British police not pursue your FACTS?

actully if you want to be factually correct the mccanns and their friends trampled through and contaminated the scene before the police were even called

oh and then didn't go out to look for their daughter overnight because it was too dark

and it was British sniffer dogs that alerted to both the scents, and it was British labs that processed the forensic evidence that contained 15 out of 19 markers for Madeleine's DNA ( as reported by Martin brunt on sky news live - google it)

Mysteriously these samples were then 'lost' and no retesting could be done

[iamprobablynot]

Originally Posted by velma

The children from Casa Pia and other homes were supplied to important individuals abroad by members of the British Government who were trafficking children from this orphanage and from Belgium. (The Dutroux Affair.) The same Government Ministers and UK Police Commissioners who swung into action to protect the McCann's and the same tycoons who funded them.

Here's one I made earlier:

http://thescum.info/2011/01/10/from-...de-la-garenne/

...But I still believe Madeleine died sometime between the 1st and 3rd of May 2007 and her parents disposed of the corpse, so do the Portuguese.

Why do you believe this? (Not saying you're wrong, just wondered why.) Isn't there a creche log saying she attended the Ocean Club creche the day she went missing?

[n317v]

This is very un-nerving to read frightening in-fact.

These turds are evil....my belief is : anyone who subjects someone else to any form of torture should be terminated forthwith.

And beleive it or not one of our local councillors is not on this list...he was accused of 13 counts of sexual abuse and got away with all of them!!...what the chances of that eh?...massive cover-ups....its time for a massive outing of these arse-obsessed freaks of nature.

http://www.seancopland.com/articles/...ne_search.html

[david numen]

I don't have details to hand but the creche log is pretty...weird. Different styles of handwriting used by "Kate" and curiously sometimes "she" signs as "Kate Healy"(her maiden name and name she used professionally) and sometimes as "Kate McCann" so one wonders if perhaps these logs aren't quite bona fide.

[merla]

Originally Posted by david numen

I don't have details to hand but the creche log is pretty...weird. Different styles of handwriting used by "Kate" and curiously sometimes "she" signs as "Kate Healy"(her maiden name and name she used professionally) and sometimes as "Kate McCann" so one wonders if perhaps these logs aren't quite bona fide.

If that quote from her book I mentioned before is true then she NEVER called herself Kate McCann before Madeleine disappear, she says so explicitly, according to her it started with the media started calling her Mrs/Kate McCann and she just went along with it and know feels this is her identity. I'll see if I can find where I read it so you can see it in her words, it quite odd, almost like she thinks of herself as two different people.


EDIT:

I found these on the McCann files, scroll down this page to the article called Lie with me Mummy to see where.


May 12 is not the only date to give Kate McCann pause for thought. May 3 is another. And not only on account of its obvious associations with Madeleine’s being 'taken.'

Here are three further statements with a suggestive connection:

1. "She had addressed me as Kate Healy, and although this was the name by which I was always known before Madeleine's abduction, since then I'd only ever been referred to as Mrs McCann." (p.189).

2. "On 4 May 2007, I became Kate McCann. According to my passport, driving licence and bank account I was Kate Healy. I hadn't kept my maiden name for any particular reason - it was just who I was and who I'd always been. But when Madeleine was taken, the press automatically referred to me as Kate McCann, and Kate McCann I have been ever since." (p.349).

3. "One of the big changes in our life has been the loss of our anonymity...As Kate Healy, I could do what I liked, when I liked, talk to whoever I wanted to talk to, behave naturally without feeling I was being judged by those around me." (p. 356).

With a bank account in her maiden name of Healy, it seems only fair to suppose that Kate signed her cheques in that name also. She didn't 'become' Kate McCann until 4 May, after Madeleine went missing. And yet on several occasions, including May 3 2007, she signed the Ocean Club creche registers as K. McCann.

[emeraldgreen]

I find it suspicious this testimony from a taxi driver has not been explored thoroughly by police or investigators. I don't know quite what to make of it. I veer between thinking the McCanns are possibly being set-up and then thinking about the sniffer dogs, and all the other details... it's horrible to contemplate.

If the taxi driver is correct (i read he has a grandchild with a similar eye defect and he said this little girl also had a twitch in the chin similar to his grandchild) it could be a whole other can of worms. Apparently the McCanns say Madeleine did not (or does not), have a twitch. I pray that Madeleine is not suffering and can't bear to think of the cruelty paedophiles inflict on children - they are beasts.

''Madeleine McCann Anniversary: Taxi Driver Claims He Picked Up Maddy Night After She Disappeared

PA/Huffington Post UK | Posted: 02/05/2012 13:49 Updated: 02/05/2012 Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Kate And Gerry McCann, Madeleine McCann, Maddy Taxi, Missing Persons, Portugal, Taxi Driver Maddy, Uk News, UK News

A taxi driver who believes he picked up Madeleine McCann the night after she vanished has claimed that Portuguese police ignored his report.

Kate and Gerry McCann's spokesman said it was "deeply shocking" that detectives never interviewed Antonio Castela about his possible sighting of the missing child.

Castela, 72, went to the Policia Judiciaria (PJ), Portugal's CID, after three men, a woman and a young girl resembling Madeleine got into his cab on the evening of 4 May 2007 in Monte Gordo in the Algarve.

This is about an hour's drive from Praia da Luz, where the British child had vanished from her family's holiday apartment the previous night.

The taxi driver drove the group two miles to the Hotel Apolo in Vila Real de Santo Antonio, where they drove away in a blue jeep.

Castela told the Evening Standard: "After I went to the police, I never heard anything from them again.

"They did not seem to take me seriously and never questioned me. They simply took down the details and that was it.

"I am amazed that it has been five years and nobody has ever asked me what I saw that night. I am absolutely certain it was her."

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Mr Castela did absolutely the right thing at the time by reporting his sighting to the PJ.

"It is clearly deeply shocking that he now tells us he has not been interviewed once by a detective in five years.

"This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be looked at in the investigative review now being carried out by the Metropolitan Police.

"Kate and Gerry remain very happy that the Met are performing their role as efficiently as they can."

Earlier, the McCanns spoke of their renewed hope that their daughter Madeleine will be found five years on from her disappearance.''

[iamprobablynot]

Originally Posted by merla

If that quote from her book I mentioned before is true then she NEVER called herself Kate McCann before Madeleine disappear, she says so explicitly, according to her it started with the media started calling her Mrs/Kate McCann and she just went along with it and know feels this is her identity. I'll see if I can find where I read it so you can see it in her words, it quite odd, almost like she thinks of herself as two different people.


EDIT:

I found these on the McCann files, scroll down this page to the article called Lie with me Mummy to see where.


May 12 is not the only date to give Kate McCann pause for thought. May 3 is another. And not only on account of its obvious associations with Madeleine’s being 'taken.'

Here are three further statements with a suggestive connection:

1. "She had addressed me as Kate Healy, and although this was the name by which I was always known before Madeleine's abduction, since then I'd only ever been referred to as Mrs McCann." (p.189).

2. "On 4 May 2007, I became Kate McCann. According to my passport, driving licence and bank account I was Kate Healy. I hadn't kept my maiden name for any particular reason - it was just who I was and who I'd always been. But when Madeleine was taken, the press automatically referred to me as Kate McCann, and Kate McCann I have been ever since." (p.349).

3. "One of the big changes in our life has been the loss of our anonymity...As Kate Healy, I could do what I liked, when I liked, talk to whoever I wanted to talk to, behave naturally without feeling I was being judged by those around me." (p. 356).

With a bank account in her maiden name of Healy, it seems only fair to suppose that Kate signed her cheques in that name also. She didn't 'become' Kate McCann until 4 May, after Madeleine went missing. And yet on several occasions, including May 3 2007, she signed the Ocean Club creche registers as K. McCann.

Hmm, that is highly dodgy... But, I notice again, Madeleine "was taken" - why not "went missing", "disappeared", "was snatched".... I don't know, but it seems such a strange phrase to use, repeatedly.

Obviously this whole case stinks to high heaven, and everyone involved is lying through their teeth about everything..... but - well, as I believe Gerry McCann himself said: "One good thing to come out of all of this is that there is so much in the press, nobody knows what is true, and what isn't."

[david numen]

Originally Posted by emeraldgreen

I find it suspicious this testimony from a taxi driver has not been explored thoroughly by police or investigators. I don't know quite what to make of it. I veer between thinking the McCanns are possibly being set-up and then thinking about the sniffer dogs, and all the other details... it's horrible to contemplate.

If the taxi driver is correct (i read he has a grandchild with a similar eye defect and he said this little girl also had a twitch in the chin similar to his grandchild) it could be a whole other can of worms. Apparently the McCanns say Madeleine did not (or does not), have a twitch. I pray that Madeleine is not suffering and can't bear to think of the cruelty paedophiles inflict on children - they are beasts.

''Madeleine McCann Anniversary: Taxi Driver Claims He Picked Up Maddy Night After She Disappeared

PA/Huffington Post UK | Posted: 02/05/2012 13:49 Updated: 02/05/2012 Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Kate And Gerry McCann, Madeleine McCann, Maddy Taxi, Missing Persons, Portugal, Taxi Driver Maddy, Uk News, UK News

A taxi driver who believes he picked up Madeleine McCann the night after she vanished has claimed that Portuguese police ignored his report.

Kate and Gerry McCann's spokesman said it was "deeply shocking" that detectives never interviewed Antonio Castela about his possible sighting of the missing child.

Castela, 72, went to the Policia Judiciaria (PJ), Portugal's CID, after three men, a woman and a young girl resembling Madeleine got into his cab on the evening of 4 May 2007 in Monte Gordo in the Algarve.

This is about an hour's drive from Praia da Luz, where the British child had vanished from her family's holiday apartment the previous night.

The taxi driver drove the group two miles to the Hotel Apolo in Vila Real de Santo Antonio, where they drove away in a blue jeep.

Castela told the Evening Standard: "After I went to the police, I never heard anything from them again.

"They did not seem to take me seriously and never questioned me. They simply took down the details and that was it.

"I am amazed that it has been five years and nobody has ever asked me what I saw that night. I am absolutely certain it was her."

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Mr Castela did absolutely the right thing at the time by reporting his sighting to the PJ.

"It is clearly deeply shocking that he now tells us he has not been interviewed once by a detective in five years.

"This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be looked at in the investigative review now being carried out by the Metropolitan Police.

"Kate and Gerry remain very happy that the Met are performing their role as efficiently as they can."

Earlier, the McCanns spoke of their renewed hope that their daughter Madeleine will be found five years on from her disappearance.''

This is an ollllldddd story and the McCanns are downright shameless in rehashing it.

Firstly the story was reported way back in 2007 and Clarence Mitchell DISMISSED it as nonsense. The reason was that the taxi driver said one of the passengers was Kate and another looked like Robert Murat (whether that meant Murat or possibly David Payne who bears more than a resemblance) and another male plus Madeleine.

The very people who dismissed that have changed the details of the original story AND changed the date and rehashed it. Shameless.

[velma]

"The latest sighting" to coincide with the fifth anniversary and new publicity is an old "sighting" from May 6th 2007, rehashed.

Mr. McCann said, "But it does feel now finally someone in the authorities, British authorities, are actually trying to find Madeleine, who is completely innocent of course."

They also spoke of their attempts to lead as normal a life as possible for the sake of their other children, and avoid being over-protective of them.

Mr McCann said: "It's a near-normality, I think. As opposed to having five in the house, there are four in the house most of the time.

"I keep saying this, but to anyone, the casual observer, I think we look like an ordinary family.

His wife added: "You have to kind of fight against it (being over-protective) a little bit to be honest, to let them develop and enjoy life like other children.

Mr McCann went on: "I certainly think I am more protective than what I was, and Kate, before, I would have said was on the over-protective side and that is one of the ironic things about this.

"We have got to remember what happened to us was incredibly rare."

Scotland Yard's review of the case - called Operation Grange and expected to cost nearly £2 million in its first year - was launched last May after a request from Home Secretary Theresa May supported by Prime Minister David Cameron.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the officer leading the Scotland Yard review, has said he believes Madeleine was a victim of stranger abduction and says there is evidence she could still be alive.

Prove it!



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...entical-823747

[merla]

Originally Posted by david numen

This is an ollllldddd story and the McCanns are downright shameless in rehashing it.

Firstly the story was reported way back in 2007 and Clarence Mitchell DISMISSED it as nonsense. The reason was that the taxi driver said one of the passengers was Kate and another looked like Robert Murat (whether that meant Murat or possibly David Payne who bears more than a resemblance) and another male plus Madeleine.

The very people who dismissed that have changed the details of the original story AND changed the date and rehashed it. Shameless.

Kind of like how they latched onto the Irish man in Praia Du Luz's sighting (sorry I can't remember his name) carefully leaving out the part where he thought it was Gerry McCann carry a child towards the beach and only connected the dots after seeing Gerry carrying on of the twins off the airplane.

[merla]

Originally Posted by velma

"The latest sighting" to coincide with the fifth anniversary and new publicity is an old "sighting" from May 6th 2007, rehashed.

Mr. McCann said, "But it does feel now finally someone in the authorities, British authorities, are actually trying to find Madeleine, who is completely innocent of course."

They also spoke of their attempts to lead as normal a life as possible for the sake of their other children, and avoid being over-protective of them.

Mr McCann said: "It's a near-normality, I think. As opposed to having five in the house, there are four in the house most of the time.

"I keep saying this, but to anyone, the casual observer, I think we look like an ordinary family.

His wife added: "You have to kind of fight against it (being over-protective) a little bit to be honest, to let them develop and enjoy life like other children.

Mr McCann went on: "I certainly think I am more protective than what I was, and Kate, before, I would have said was on the over-protective side and that is one of the ironic things about this.

"We have got to remember what happened to us was incredibly rare."

Scotland Yard's review of the case - called Operation Grange and expected to cost nearly £2 million in its first year - was launched last May after a request from Home Secretary Theresa May supported by Prime Minister David Cameron.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the officer leading the Scotland Yard review, has said he believes Madeleine was a victim of stranger abduction and says there is evidence she could still be alive.

Prove it!



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...entical-823747

Gosh, how can you be less overprotective than leaving three children under 4 alone night after night while you hang out with your mates in the restaurant the other site of the resort? Are they going to let wolves raise them or something?

[sillybilly]

I think we should be careful - for legal reasons - about making outright accusations.
But two of the things that stood out for me were:
1) Washing the cuddly toy
2) Not going out to search after the disappearance
Anyone who has ever lost someone knows how the scent of that person left on clothing etc can be a comfort. And how so many of us are reluctant to wash these items.
The other thing is - if my dog went missing - I would be demented. Really you would have to sit on me to stop me being out at all hours and in all weathers looking for her! Plus is it true they left the apartment door open? If you had a fractious toddler (and reportedly M did not like being left) wouldn't the first reaction be that she had wandered off?

What really, really gets to me is that whatever the truth of the matter, a working class couple who nipped across the road to the nearby pub for a quick pint - leaving two babies and a toddler home alone, would not be able to pleade 'an error of judgement' or a 'mistake in hindsight'. Nor would they be able to use the excuse that 'other people do it' or 'the area always felt safe' or 'it's no different to being in your garden/a different room in the house'. They would be done for child neglect.

[acharlatani]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-prob...215231168.html

Weren't the parents seen to have driven off somewhere around that distance after she went missing? Not to mention blood traces found in the hire car once searched.

Im still convinced they got rid of the body after her dying by an accidental o/d...