2001: The Shining / Analyses of Kubrick's Films

[feralgoose]

Great guys I'm going to have to spend a little whie catching up. I'm going to continue posting some stills from Path of Glory and observations. I tend to be good at noticing things but not so great at making interpretations or identifying symbols (depending on their background, eg tarot cards I wouldn't have a clue) each and everyone of you is much better at that than I am, but iI'm very impressed.

Keep posting please! Has SoL made a thread with his stuff yet?

Those pictures look interesting mata and good to see 1977 still showing some great motifs and allegorys, as well as some new posters!

[size_of_light]

Originally Posted by mata

Just having a play around with some ideas and drawings.


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Great ideas there mata.

Hmm.

There's something about the photo that's very simple that we're not picking up on, I think.

I don't think it's been arranged so that understanding it properly requires an in depth knowledge of the Federal Reserve or a degree in mythology, for example. If that were the case, it would be an expression of 'empty cleverness' and I dont think Kubrick did 'empty cleverness'.

Comprehending it should be more along the lines of the experience you get when you view one of those 3D stereograms and everything falls into place at once and you suddenly see something very obvious that you didn't see before. Then it's hard not to see it.

For instance, the title of the photo is Overlook Hotel.

And the cameraman is photographing the party revellers from a height: he's overlooking them. And everyone in the photo is overlooking Jack. Some of the partygoers are aware of the cameraman, but some of them seem completely oblivious to, or are deliberately shutting out, the presence of the 'overlooker.'



We'll eventually figure this out, I'm sure!

That white bar that you pointed out that is the shirt of the man above the woman with her eyes closed and the guy clutching Jack's arm seems very relevant. It implies a split or a fundamental divide between the man and the woman. Jack's shirt forms a blade and so does the shirt of 'Cartoon Hitler' above and to the right of him.

"Think goddamnit, think!"

(Squeezing my brain a little bit harder....)

[sugarray]

Nothing to do with anything but the creepiest twat ever far right of pic....

and then equally as creepy in near mirror position on far left.....

and finally a totally strange picture of Pinocchio and the mystery floating black feather

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Originally Posted by sugarray

Nothing to do with anything but the creepiest twat ever far right of pic....

and then equally as creepy in near mirror position on far left.....

and finally a totally strange picture of Pinocchio and the mystery floating black feather

You have the laser-like eye of a Terminator dude!

[mata]

Bend The Truth.jpg

Hi size_of_light. I don't think it requires a degree in Mythology either
The idea described above is pretty basic, for example.
Two Feathers > Bending the Truth > around the Public > via Politicians, Media Men & Celebrity Subterfuge.

Political Spotlight.jpg

Or this one, also very basic. Easily indicates the notion of a Party Political Spotlight > in that she's got her eyes shut > In that he's interacting with Torrence with a degree of force > their proximity to 'the Media' > as well as just graphically, via the shirtfront etc (compositional elements).

I don't think it's going to be hard to work out what's going on. For my money, the notion of the Fed, promissory notes, fits in really simply.
Maybe just because the photo's set in America, on July the 4th. There's something Fundamental to the 'Independance' of the U.S. People described in this photo. Perhaps that 1921's the true date of their Enslavement?. [I refer to the masses, who are not at this party..]

The Elite most certainly = Money. The Federal Reserve is definitely what secured the true monopoly of The Elite, along with their subsequent funding of the Nazis, creation of WW2 > bingo Military Industrial Complex = $$$. Don't need a degree to draw any of those conclusions. It just seemed like there were one or two who were also seeing it from that angle. But maybe not. All Good.

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Just using the cropped image, would it be fair to say that these four look like the only ones who truly know what's going on?



It's all in the eyes.

[mata]

Originally Posted by size_of_light

Just using the cropped image, would it be fair to say that these four look like the only ones who truly know what's going on?



It's all in the eyes.

I'm not sure I could say yes to that without first knowing why you say it. There's definitely something to do with the eyes that is crucial, I totally agree with that. Can you maybe explain what you mean a bit further? I'm keen to understand where you're coming from - but I need more detail in order to be able to do that. Cheers size_of_light!

[1977]

Please observe, again, that the ending of A Clockwork Orange mirrors the ending of 2001, and by extension The Shining. It is also the only ending with dialogue.

A Clockwork Orange (Cured) - YouTube

A Clockwork Orange (Cured) - YouTube

"None shall pass by me except he slay me, and this is his curse, that, having slain me, he must take my office and become the maker of Illusions, the great deceiver, the setter of snares; he who baffleth even them that have understanding."

Minister: [as he feeds Alex morsels of food] We tried to help you. We followed recommendations which were made to us that turned out to be wrong. An inquiry will place the responsibility where it belongs. We want you to regard us as friends. We put you right. You are getting the best of treatment. We never wished you harm, but there are some who did, and do, and I think you know who those are. There are certain people who wanted to use you for political ends. They would have been glad to have you dead, for they thought they could then blame it all on the Government. There is also a certain man, a writer of subversive literature, who has been howling for your blood. He has been mad with desire to stick a knife into you but you are safe from him now. We put him away. He found out that you had done wrong to him. At least he believed you had done wrong. He formed this idea in his head that you had been responsible for the death of someone near and dear to him. He was a menace. We put him away for his own protection, and also for yours...We are interested in you and when you leave here you will have no worries. We shall see to everything - a good job on a good salary.
Alex: What job and how much?
Minister: You must have an interesting job with a salary which you would regard as adequate, not only for the job that you're going to do, and in compensation for what you believe you have suffered, but also because you are helping us.
Alex: Helping you, sir?
Minister: We always help our friends, don't we? It is no secret that this Government has lost a lot of popularity because of you, my boy. There are some who think that at the next election, we shall be out. The press has chosen to take a very unfavorable view of what we tried to do. But public opinion has a way of changing, and you...you can be instrumental in changing the public's verdict. Do you understand, Alex? Do I make myself clear?
Alex: As an unmuddied lake, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred.

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Originally Posted by mata

I don't think it's going to be hard to work out what's going on. For my money, the notion of the Fed, promissory notes, fits in really simply.
Maybe just because the photo's set in America, on July the 4th. There's something Fundamental to the 'Independance' of the U.S. People described in this photo. Perhaps that 1921's the true date of their Enslavement?. [I refer to the masses, who are not at this party..]

The Elite most certainly = Money. The Federal Reserve is definitely what secured the true monopoly of The Elite, along with their subsequent funding of the Nazis, creation of WW2 > bingo Military Industrial Complex = $$$. Don't need a degree to draw any of those conclusions. It just seemed like there were one or two who were also seeing it from that angle. But maybe not. All Good.

OK, I understand what you mean. That is pretty straighforward.

I wasn't directing the 'mythology-degree' comment at you or anyone else here, but just thinking off the top of my head that there's a basic meaning that goes beyond ideas like the Federal Reserve etc.

I don't really see Kubrick being interested enough in things like that to have made it the central hidden point in a movie like The Shining.

I.e: Oh yeah, Jack Nicholson went mad and tried to chop up his family with an axe! Don't you get it? It's all about the financial system!


Are the yellow arrows servants of the red arrows?

[love_is]

Phew! I think I'm fairly well caught up with this thread.. Very interesting stuff, everyone. Size_of_light's video of the endings overlaid hit me like a bolt of lightning. Absolutely bone-chilling. There's definitely more in there... time to explore!

[size_of_light]

The upper man with the moustache can see, but his lower moustachioed equivalent needs glasses to do so. His wife is blind.

The yellow underlined women are blind as bats.

The woman with the yellow arrow is uncertain.

The blue arrow women are connected in clothing and mirrored hairstyle, with the upper one running the show.

...?

[mata]

KeyLinx.jpg

I'd hazard a guess with the following

KEY:

M - Master
D - Dom
Ds - Dom (Switch)
Bt - Bi Top
L - Lesb
S - Sub
Ss - Sub (Switch)

[mata]

KeyLinx2.jpg

With addition of Hexagram, centered on Ds.

[love_is]

Looking at that photo from the Gold Room, I noticed V-shaped section of people, and immediately thought of this:



Feather at the top point, feather at the bottom point (as above, so below). The girl with the dark face is exactly where the "G" would be in the Masonic square and compass. The girl on the bottom left is being pointed at by the compass as well as both of the men standing next to her. The other compass tip points at the girl hiding something behind Jack. All of the other important faces are contained within the carpenter's square.

But there's also this.. The Great Pyramid:



Pinnochio's nose is the capstone (!), the girl with the dark face is now the King's Chamber, and the girl with the fancy headwear is the Queen's Chamber.. the Pit is in her heart.
IMHO, this fits too well to have been an accident. So what's the message?

[mata]

Originally Posted by love_is

Looking at that photo from the Gold Room, I noticed V-shaped section of people, and immediately thought of this:



Feather at the top point, feather at the bottom point (as above, so below). The girl with the dark face is exactly where the "G" would be in the Masonic square and compass. The girl on the bottom left is being pointed at by the compass as well as both of the men standing next to her. The other compass tip points at the girl hiding something behind Jack. All of the other important faces are contained within the carpenter's square.

But there's also this.. The Great Pyramid:



Pinnochio's nose is the capstone (!), the girl with the dark face is now the King's Chamber, and the girl with the fancy headwear is the Queen's Chamber.. the Pit is in her heart.
IMHO, this fits too well to have been an accident. So what's the message?

I can also see there's a very good fit here in your images love_is. Especially liking the line of Torrence's arm extending down to the right, echoing the angles of both the compass and pyramid. Hmmm.

[mata]

I don't know anything about Freemasonic symbolism. But I do remember coming across an idea once that the King's Chamber & other significant features of the Great pyramid relate on one level to the Pineal Gland and other glands in the human body. From memory, the inference was that certain rituals (of a rather terrifying nature) could induce an chemical state (via glands of Endocrine System) that could enable human Time Travel. The idea was that the layout of the Great pyramid provided a Map of the way to 'hot-wire' the human Endocrine System. Whether that is a concept that could apply here - or how it might relate to the people in the 'line-up', I've no idea. Well, I guess it does in that they all perform time-travel within the film, or at least Torrence does?


p.s. After 'Fear resistance' training, adepts were taught tantric systems (of some type?) which enabled them to Master their bodies & will to 'focus', for the purpose described above. This idea fits with a number of lines of my own thinking, so it holds some interest for me - but I'm not sure if the info I came upon was 'the whole truth and nothing but the truth', so to speak. I had a strong feeling the author had twisted something (which is why I'm not comfortable finding a link to whack up). You know how it is, sometimes the things they want to hide from you most - they take, and alter only slightly, but it's enough to stuff the whole thing up.

[mata]

Gp.jpg

[love_is]

It's possible.. though I have a feeling the overarching theme we're supposed to be seeing here is much simpler, as size_of_light suggested.

There's definitely something weird going on in the lower left hand corner.



With so many things pointing at that girl, you've got to wonder what it is she's looking at. Whatever it is in the white-gloved lady's hand looks like a shrunken head. And those hands.. the one grabbing hers and the one on the guy's shoulder.. they don't seem to be attached to anybody. Is this a reference to the "hidden hand", another masonic theme, or something else?

[mata]

Originally Posted by size_of_light

just thinking off the top of my head that there's a basic meaning that goes beyond ideas like the Federal Reserve etc.

Are the yellow arrows servants of the red arrows?

Ok, I see what what mean. Yes, I've been wondering if there's something basic.... Maybe in the ceremonial practices the Elite engage with? They lock Earth into a 'saturnian control frame' - that requires constant energetic sacrifice - and uses the working class masses to draw from. (Party All The Time!)... Back to the 'simpler side'. Money. Consider for a moment: that every single time any one of us "spends a cent" - we are making a 'mental-emotional' sacrifice (at a subconscious level). Everyone in the money-spending world contributes to that sacrificial construct, multiple times a day, and the "sum" spent makes no difference to the subconscious. It's a 'sacrifice' of something. That is definitely something that relates to Jack hacking up his wife and child with an axe

[mata]

Originally Posted by love_is

It's possible.. though I have a feeling the overarching theme we're supposed to be seeing here is much simpler, as size_of_light suggested.

There's definitely something weird going on in the lower left hand corner.



With so many things pointing at that girl, you've got to wonder what it is she's looking at. Whatever it is in the white-gloved lady's hand looks like a shrunken head. And those hands.. the one grabbing hers and the one on the guy's shoulder.. they don't seem to be attached to anybody. Is this a reference to the "hidden hand", another masonic theme, or something else?

Could it be a mirror that she's holding?

Might it be reflecting the person who is taking the photograph?