Bank of Ireland This Way Out (Darell O'Deaghadh))

[smoke n mirrors]

'Bank of Ireland This Way Out' is a free instructional book By: Darrell of the Ancient Clan O’Deaghadh.

He lays out the process and correspondence used to resolve his mortgage with the Bank of Ireland.

You can obtain a pdf copy of his book here http://www.blankofireland.com/BOITWO2MB.pdf

Here is a radio interview given by Darrell http://voteforit.org/index.php/impor...rtgage-trouble

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[rumpelstilzchen]

I wouldn't get too excited just yet. Even though Darrell has a letter from the bank informing him his mortgage has been redeemed things may not be quite what they at first appear.
I suggest a read of this thread:
http://tnsradio.ning.com/forum/topic...age=1#comments


Especially these two posts by Vin:

Reply by Vin on October 1, 2011 at 6:59pm

I have explained to many folks many times ... The letter is real (in so much as the Bank did print it and send it) But the method used to obtain it I believe is the more important question .... Darrell called to me one day with a friend and he was asking me to explain the system as I saw it ... I did so ... I was not told at the time that Darrell was writing a book of any description ... As I explained different aspects of the system to him ... I also explained that the system was in fact very weak and not strong as most seem to think it is ... To give him an example I explained how one could (If one had no moral compass to me this was just a throw away remark as I assumed no-one would ever even remotely try such a thing ) obtain a letter as seen above by a very simple process .. He was intrigued so I explained ... I pointed out to him that it was WRONG to do such a thing as it was immoral and it would be committing fraud ... which of course why I never did it... I also explained that if someone were to do it, them it most likely would work only once as as soon as it was done the Bank would shut that "Door" in a flash ... Meaning no others could follow the one that used this as a means to escape the clutches of the "Bank" ... The method used to obtain the Letter has NO CONNECTION with any information presented in Darrells book "The Blank of Ireland" NONE ZERO NOWT NOTHING NADA ..... If he claims it has then I guess you should talk to him ... A little research folks will tell you that the Book is really just a Plagiarized conglomerate of information gleaned from others and thrown together ...

Reply by Vin on October 1, 2011 at 8:54pm

Ok so .. as part of a General explanation of just how weak the system was I explained that as a hypothetical ... Using a teller machine in a branch one was to lodge a cheque for the full amount of the loan "whatever" the machine does not check the account to see if there are funds available to meet the cheque ... but a living teller sure as hell would ... esp. if one was lodging a cheque of a large nature... Anyhooo ... the machine has it's protocols etc. whereby questions are posed and one simply has to make a selection ... Such as ... Is this the correct value of the cheque etc. ... YES or NO ... Would you like a RECEIPT ... YES or NO ...
If one were to select Yes to both ... the lodgement would be accepted and you'd have a printed PROOF that it was as such accepted... Secondly the system being so efficient (LOL) will automatically print the letter and send it to you but the Cheque would not be Cleared by that stage ... I knew this as someone I know had told me that when they paid of a loan using the teller machine they received such a letter and they knew (By checking) that the cheque had not been cleared at that stage ... ok that's about it ... simples really ...
The only thing I can add ( and it's just speculation on my part) is that Darrell thought it would be a great home run for his book to be able to display such a letter ... even though as far as I could tell for a long time didn't ACTUALLY tell anyone specifically how he obtained it .... In fact he never actually told me he did use the method outlined above ... But the Letter seem to indicate that he did... Also about five or six weeks ago (not exactly sure ) I was told by a few folks that he had indeed told them that he did get the letter from the method in the book ... When I spoke to the said individuals I asked them to confirm this for me and they did..... When I had confirmed it from 4 independent folks I went on air on TNSRADIO and said so... it's in one of my pods ... I also came on here and spelled it out ... it's in the posts somewhere here folks.

[jlord]

If that poster is correct then this guy is a total fraud and is deliberately misleading people. Does anyone know if there has been any response to these claims from the author?

[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by jlord

If that poster is correct then this guy is a total fraud and is deliberately misleading people. Does anyone know if there has been any response to these claims from the author?

I am not aware of any response by the author. However, there is an old thread on this forum regarding this matter:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=140172

Interestingly jayen4 who I believe had a mortgage with the same bank states in that thread he has spoken with the author face to face. The post is from Oct 2010:

Well,I have spoken to the man 'face to face',at length today and I have to say that I believe him ! He's told me why the loan company/bank suddenly 'rolled over'. I will not divulge what he said to me tho,so don't ask.
I've also gotten advice from others on my situation,stuff that I didn't know before today.....

These fraudsters/thieves CAN be stopped. Just have to push back as hard as they push you.....works both ways you see.

He then (in that thread) goes on to say he will be using a variation of the same method with his own mortgage. I believe jayen4 has since lost his home. Perhaps, if willing, he could describe his experience with the method?

[jlord]

I would be inetersted in hearing the first hand experience as well. I don't understand how you could lose your home because surely it would make sense to save your mortgage payments in case an unproven scheme doesn't work.

[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by jlord

I would be inetersted in hearing the first hand experience as well. I don't understand how you could lose your home because surely it would make sense to save your mortgage payments in case an unproven scheme doesn't work.

I could be wrong but I believe jayen4 was in difficulty before attempting this process. Perhaps if he reads this thread he could clarify.

[smoke n mirrors]

Originally Posted by jlord

If that poster is correct then this guy is a total fraud and is deliberately misleading people. Does anyone know if there has been any response to these claims from the author?

His contact details are there to be used why not go and ask him?

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[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by smoke n mirrors

His contact details are there to be used why not go and ask him?

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Judging by tadghb's comments that could be a waste of time.

Reply by tadghb on October 1, 2011 at 9:47am
Rang numerous times and he will not answer hence I am asking on here. He was asked at the round table meeting the other week and couldn't answer so what is his problem. Are we to assume now that he it is not a true letter?? These are people lives being messed around with. If it is not true then people can at least explore better ways of fighting these corrupt banks. As it is Darrell O Dea is helping the banks with the damage possible false letters are doing.

Reply by tadghb on October 1, 2011 at 10:45am


HE WON'T ANSWER. That is the point. He will argue, avoid, divert, question, anything but answer. Considering he is one of the biggest motivators for people to take on their banks in this little country of ours surely he should be outed for what he seems to be. A FRAUD. He calls the banks frauds (which the scum are) but he is not different. Using people lives to satistfy his own vengence.



I do hope someone can prove me wrong. Me in this being wrong is nothing. But Darrell O Dea being wrong means the destruction of peoples lives.

[smoke n mirrors]

Originally Posted by rumpelstilzchen

Judging by tadghb's comments that could be a waste of time.

Have you tried to contact him?

I would assume that anyone considering the process as laid out in the book would do their own due diligence. If they don't get satisfactory answers they wouldn't pursue it.

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[weeman]

Originally Posted by smoke n mirrors

Have you tried to contact him?

I would assume that anyone considering the process as laid out in the book would do their own due diligence. If they don't get satisfactory answers they wouldn't pursue it.

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Having read quite a few of your posts smoke and mirrors, this quote was a let down on your usual 'diligent' responses.

I take it that the 'due diligence' you speak of has now been highlighted within this thread and you too consider Darrell of the Ancient Clan O’Deaghadh's instructional book as bunkum?

Resorting to a Menardian assumption was an immediate fail. A get out clause of the highest order.

[smoke n mirrors]

No, people are able to come to their own conclusions. The author gives contact details and also verbally invites people to contact him directly in the audio linked in the OP.

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[jayen4]

Originally Posted by rumpelstilzchen

I could be wrong but I believe jayen4 was in difficulty before attempting this process. Perhaps if he reads this thread he could clarify.

Yes,I'll 'clarify'.....

As you will already know my viewpoint Rumpy,I don't need to explain at length.....but to quickly re-iterate my position/thinking,which hasn't changed one iota......

Yes, I was in 'difficulty' before I tried part of Darrels method.....this was brought about by the banksters causing the recession in the first place (by deliberately severely restricting the flow/availability of 'new' money into the system).Given that I was and still am an 'Agency' worker....we are always the first out the door,when work load reduces (whoever causes that .) They then proceeded to refuse to negotiate with me at all and forced it to court,where the real issue arose.......The collusion and conspiracy between the courts/judiciary and the banksters and their lawyers !! I put in front of the 'judge' a Statutory Declaration,demanding in effect complete and full disclosure by the bank.......He refused point blank to enter that document into evidence and would not give any reason for his behaviour !
So,in my case that was the catalyst that led to my home being stolen ! I took it back twice,forceably.......If I was so in the wrong,you would think that I'd have been thrown in jail for doing so,wouldn't you ?? ...But no,they simply always referred back to that same corrupt judge,to issue further 'eviction notices',which enlisted the help of the baillifs and police ,who didn't know or care exactly who they were supposed to be protecting !
The case is not finished with yet though.....I WILL find a way to make them pay for their deliberate wrongdoing ! Mark my words !
As for Darrel tho'.....As I said at the time,he did explain to me what he was doing and why it should work. But I do agree that he plays his cards close to his chest......I don't blame him for that......If it works for him,then hey,that's fine with me. I've not heard anything from him for quite a while now,so I don't know what he's up to currently.....

[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by jayen4

As for Darrel tho'.....As I said at the time,he did explain to me what he was doing and why it should work. But I do agree that he plays his cards close to his chest......I don't blame him for that......If it works for him,then hey,that's fine with me. I've not heard anything from him for quite a while now,so I don't know what he's up to currently.....

But don't you find that strange? He has written a book describing the process which has been widely distributed, he has promoted his book on some "radio" stations, he has not been in any way shy about getting this book out there, but when people question him about the final step he clams up. Why the secrecy? Surely if this method worked he would have absolutely nothing to hide. If he did have something to hide why write the book in the first place? At this moment I have a strong feeling he has made a mug out of those who believed him.

[smoke n mirrors]

Originally Posted by rumpelstilzchen

But don't you find that strange? He has written a book describing the process which has been widely distributed, he has promoted his book on some "radio" stations, he has not been in any way shy about getting this book out there, but when people question him about the final step he clams up. Why the secrecy? Surely if this method worked he would have absolutely nothing to hide. If he did have something to hide why write the book in the first place? At this moment I have a strong feeling he has made a mug out of those who believed him.

Why don't you just say what you're trying to insinuate?

I have a feeling that you maybe shady, slimy and morally corrupt with an unusual and perverse obsession with this subject. Just a feeling you understand!

People should have access to information and all options available to them and the freedom to follow whatever course they chose. If people play the game in the way you insist is a legitimate process they will be screwed by the rigged court process. At which point many maybe looking for alternatives in their search of a remedy and real justice.

One think is for sure the government, banks and Legal systems are corrupt and totally flawed!

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[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by smoke n mirrors

Why don't you just say what you're trying to insinuate?

I am not insinuating anything. I am merely stating that considering what I have read regarding this matter my gut feeling is he has been economical with the truth.

I have a feeling that you maybe shady, slimy and morally corrupt with an unusual and perverse obsession with this subject. Just a feeling you understand!

And that is fine. You are expressing your feelings, not insinuating anything but just stating your gut reaction. Just like I did.

People should have access to information and all options available to them and the freedom to follow whatever course they chose. If people play the game in the way you insist is a legitimate process they will be screwed by the rigged court process. At which point many maybe looking for alternatives in their search of a remedy and real justice.

Indeed they may be looking for an alternative remedy. But following instructions from somebody who won't even explain the process fully even though they have written a book describing the process would be foolish imo.

One think is for sure the government, banks and Legal systems are corrupt and totally flawed!

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One strange thing I have noticed is that those who pay their mortgages, (just like they originally contracted to) they never lose their homes, never have problems with their mortgage companies and eventually end up owning their homes outright. How corrupt is that?

[smoke n mirrors]

Originally Posted by rumpelstilzchen

I am not insinuating anything. I am merely stating that considering what I have read regarding this matter my gut feeling is he has been economical with the truth.


And that is fine. You are expressing your feelings, not insinuating anything but just stating your gut reaction. Just like I did.

Indeed they may be looking for an alternative remedy. But following instructions from somebody who won't even explain the process fully even though they have written a book describing the process would be foolish imo.


One strange thing I have noticed is that those who pay their mortgages, (just like they originally contracted to) they never lose their homes, never have problems with their mortgage companies and eventually end up owning their homes outright. How corrupt is that?

If you paid attention to the discussions on this sub forum where you spend unusual amounts of your time, you wouldn't need to ask that question.

Ofcource you would need to have morals and principles to grasp these very rudimentary concepts.

The fact that people complete their mortgages demonstrates that they complied with the requirements of the scam. It doesn't demonstrate that the underlying principles and banking process of mortgages or usury are legitimate! It's also not a demonstration that the court process isn't corrupt to its core.

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[rumpelstilzchen]

Originally Posted by smoke n mirrors

The fact that people complete their mortgages demonstrates that they complied with the requirements of the scam.

No, they acted in the manner they previously agreed to.

It doesn't demonstrate that the underlying principles and banking process of mortgages or usury are legitimate!

Even if that were true no one is forced to take on a mortgage. It is a free choice. The cost is explained to the borrower and the borrower gets exactly what he wanted.

It's also not a demonstration that the court process isn't corrupt to its core.

The court applies the law. A mortgage is not unlawful.

[jlord]

I don't see how entering into a mortgage contract could be considered corrupt or illegitimate. Under freeman law contracts are supreme and if you don't live up to your side of the bargain you should still lose, even under freeman law.