Some thing David Icke does not under stand

[johnny botwright]

Mr Icke through the years has had different perspectives about who he is,

Like wise who Jesus is, as time has gone on, his views have moved further from the truth, not closer,

i could show you, but last time i did, it was said i was attacking Mr Icke, hence the lock out for some time now,

not the case , just debating challenging , that which Mr Icke teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ,

that dosnt even come close to the truth or stack up,

but Jesus loves David Icke just as much as me or you,

i pray one day, he will come to know all there is to know,

and im not talking just about knowledge, words, but also the unspoken , unseen

you will know when you really encounter, meet the risen Lord Jesus,

then all the pieces in the puzzle of life start to fall into place Johnny

[blackyblue]

Originally Posted by johnny botwright

i pray one day, he will come to know all there is to know,

anthroposophy and anthropogenesis are things only morosophists could vouch to be abditive, and if David wishes to believe in anthropotheism, thats his choice, however at least David is not an antilapsarian, and that should bode him well with christolators

[khepera2010]

Originally Posted by johnny botwright

David icke teachers we need no mediator between us and God, between us and the divine, this was posted here this morning on this forum in a video.

true in one sense, Jesus taught when we pray, go some where alone and pray to our Father in Heaven , so this is direct communication between us and God.

a direct union between us and our Heavenly Father in the spirit,


But it is also written , Jesus says no man comes to the Father, accept through me...

David Icke is right Johnny. You or anyone else, does not need priesthoods and other associated garbage to get between you and The Divine - this is how religions (and their controllers, ie the priests, the elite, etc) take control of their adherents and actually insulate them from The Creator and The Plan and generally 'make it all up as they go along'.

And if you accept that Jesus is God anyway, then surely you can have no problem?

No, I'm not suddenly getting all 'Christian', merely putting things from a Christian perspective.

[khepera2010]

Originally Posted by blackyblue

anthroposophy and anthropogenesis are things only morosophists could vouch to be abditive, and if David wishes to believe in anthropotheism, thats his choice, however at least David is not an antilapsarian, and that should bode him well with christolators

Wow BB, I see you're still speaking in tongues

[charlesb]

Originally Posted by phildee3

Big yes yes. Polytheism is not a "dividing of God" but the acknowledgement of his/her diverse aspects.

There is no conflict between Paganism and Christianity. Only between Paganism and the Roman church which re-defined it.

The mother of that which is the source of all is an enigmatic paradox which cannot exist to the rational mind - true.

Like the sound of one hand clapping...

Paganism is making gods out of men, which is what happens when Christ is put on the same plane as his Father, which represents a radical Christolatry that the bible does not teach, for it is said that Christ ascended into heaven to sit at his Father's side, something that would not have been necessary if had been God.

[harisma]

Originally Posted by johnny botwright

But it is also written , Jesus says no man comes to the Father, accept through me,

It is written, but it is not true, you can experience God on more than one way. I experienced God with love and pain, but not through Jesus. That God that appeared to me was nothing like God described in Bible, especially in Old Testament. He was much better than that.

[johnny botwright]

When you become a son or daughter of the most high, our heavenly Father,

you become also a member of the Royal priest hood , you can minister the Gifts of the Holy spirit to others,

you can pray and inter seed for those in need of prayer, you can stand in the Gap,

you can give water to the thirsty, feed the hungry, visit the sick, clothe the naked, give hospitality,

you can lead people to a knowledge of the Truth, the Holy spirit leads us to Jesus,

Jesus leads us to the Father,

and of course because of what Jesus has done, is doing, we can be in union with God in fellowship, a relation ship, we can enter Gods presence,

to say we dont need Jesus is like saying a fish does need water, or a bird does not need air,

each and every one of us, including David Icke needs Jesus,

thats why i questioning this awakening people mention, like wise claiming they are awake.

if you are really awaken, awake,

you would realize this, there is salvation in none other,

The path Jesus has revealed to us, that the Holy spirit will also reveal to us, and guide us into all truth , impart revelation also

is the true path, that leads to life, freedom, The Kingdom of Heaven,

for eternity.

with out Jesus, satan will make sure you dont make it out,


johnny

[bishadi]

Originally Posted by phildee3

Your quote is a little out of context.
More fully, it's:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me."

So he's saying, "no-one comes to the Father except by the way, the truth and the life."

cool for the full house

phildee3
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When he spoke, sometimes it was Jesus (the man) speaking, sometimes it was the Christ (the son of God).
In this case it was obviously Christ - the spark of life-eternal that we all have in us, animating us. Our very life-force that is from the Father (ie. the "son") - this is what is meant by "the higher-self."

i like it.

that spark is the 'light' of all that lives (see electromagnetic)

Yes, David has some things wrong, but this ain't one of them. His experience of God is real!

what is real is what is of 'god' (nature itself)

[phildee3]

Originally Posted by charlesb

Paganism is making gods out of men,

I think you're defining the Vatican's re-definition of paganism, which is "anti-Christian."

The gods of actual paganism are mythological anthropomorphisations of principles in nature - as they are in Christianity. The difference between them is that the pagan focusses on the spirits in the earth while the Christian on the sky and in the higher etheric (aka "Heaven").
Original Christianity was pagan - until the bloody Romans got a hold of it and corrupted it!
The first Christians in Britain were druids - pagans! They blended into what we call "Celtic Christianity."
Both Jesus and his cousin went into the wilderness to commune with the spirit!

Originally Posted by charlesb

...which is what happens when Christ is put on the same plane as his Father, which represents a radical Christolatry that the bible does not teach, for it is said that Christ ascended into heaven to sit at his Father's side, something that would not have been necessary if had been God.

Surely you don't take this literally?
Christ is the Word (or the will) of the Father. While he is not the Father he is of the Father (and therefore, as he said, "One with the Father").

[adam 7]

Originally Posted by johnny botwright

..each and every one of us, including David Icke needs Jesus, ..

Johno, we dont need Jesus. Thanks very much.

Been there. Done that.

Each culture has its own religious myths and delusions.

In our culture its Jesus. In another its Muhammed, In another its Buddha.

You have to let go of all that crap and embrace reality, if you want to be truly free.

[charlesb]

Originally Posted by phildee3

Surely you don't take this literally?
Christ is the Word (or the will) of the Father. While he is not the Father he is of the Father (and therefore, as he said, "One with the Father").

Christ was constituted with human body and soul. His spirit was the word, for the word is spirit. He was one in spirit with the Father but not the Father. He was not God, as his spirit was constrained by indwelling the flesh. In order to indwell the flesh, he had to be made "a little lower than the angels." (Heb 1).

What is a "little lower than the angels" is not God and to worship the same would amount to idolatry.

[believenothing]

No divine third party entity is going to save you. The only person who can save you is yourself.

You folks may not see this as a problem, but there is a huge problem in your matter-of-fact statements. How can you be so sure? Because you have faith? What if those who taught you to have faith misled you? Or what if they themselves were misled? Oh god wouldn't allow that, right? How do you know? Apparently your god can only send things here in the flesh. As men. What if the men were liars?

Men chose the canon of your bible. Men decided to include the blasphemous Old Testament. Men corrupted the earlier form of Christianity into one that would be accepted more by the Mithraists and those who practiced Sol Invictus. Men created the church. Men do not speak to god when they pray and neither does the pope. If they do, their god does not speak back. Eastern Christianity differs from Roman Catholic. The Vatican has been infiltrated and corrupted by money changers and intelligence networks. Protestants have been corrupted by dispensationalism and now adhere to Old Testament dogma in the US.

I don't know a single Christian who can describe the gospels. There is wisdom in the gospels and not a single one of you have read them. Somebody read them and misinterpreted them to you. And if you did read them, the message was completely lost.

The blind (mis)leading the blind. A controller agenda. It used to be a government. It was used to silence criticism and dissent, destroy old world knowledge. Even Jesus meditated and overcame the temptations of 'Satan' and that's the only way you're ever going to save yourself. Confront your inner self. Become your own god. There exists a vast collective unconsciousness of knowledge within. That's your god. Your intuition is part of this.

The folks saying that this is idolatry and pagan are the same ones who do not want you to know of this.

[blackyblue]

Originally Posted by adam 7

You have to let go of all that crap and embrace reality, if you want to be truly free.

So you believe in gnosticism.

It may not quite be fideism, but its still a belief

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by blackyblue

So you believe in gnosticism.

It may not quite be fideism, but its still a belief

gnosticism is not a belief system.
it is more of a method of acquiring wisdom.

[blackyblue]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

gnosticism is not a belief system.
it is more of a method of acquiring wisdom.

It is a belief that knowledge will set you free

[johnny botwright]

Believe in nothing

lets say youre at the bottom of a dry well,

no tools , climbing aids , no rope


all alone,

can you make it out. ?




johnny

[blackyblue]

Are you in control of what happens to you after you descend into the atrous? or are you at the mercy of bionergy?
Are you sure you are in control of what happens in the great abyss? absolutely A1 100% wis? perhaps you think the great atrous is more of an eau-de-nil?

[phildee3]

Originally Posted by johnny botwright

Believe in nothing

lets say youre at the bottom of a dry well,

no tools , climbing aids , no rope


all alone,

can you make it out. ?

Nope. Of course not.
And there ain't no "Jayzus" to help you out. That's Satan's trap!
The only way out is in.
The early Christian martyrs knew that, and they made it!

[johnny botwright]

Ive been in that well.

And by the spirit of God through the Lord Jesus Christ,

i got out, free, never to return.



youre still in the well, and there you will remain,

until you take the hand reaching out ,

to pull you out , to set you free.



johnny

[phildee3]

Originally Posted by johnny botwright

Ive been in that well.

And by the spirit of God through the Lord Jesus Christ,

i got out, free, never to return.


youre still in the well, and there you will remain,

until you take the hand reaching out ,

to pull you out , to set you free.

I think you'd better read Matthew Ch 7, brother.