Attacking Christians

[cwl3]

So we are having all sorts of people attacking and mocking Christians on these forums.

Although this doesn't happen in my life, I only see it on the forums. But there are countries in the world where people are attacked for being Christian.

The typical Christian I know is what we would call a good person. They are courteous, kind, respectful, they take an interest in others well being. Indeed I have known many Christians who have given me things while asking for nothing in return. This sort of generousity is amazing.

There are Christians I know who do charitable work, they give up their time for free to help out people less fortunate than themselves.

If I was struggling I know I could turn to a Christian organisation for help rather than being detained at Her Majesties pleasure.

So I then wondered why there are so many people attacking these basically good people, and I tried to imagine myself attacking these good people.

I can imagine for myself I would need to be quite a hateful and angry person to do this. It's not the Christians that are sick, it's the people that are attacking them that are sick.

I have pitty for them and I hope they can get well. Even though they are haters, I even know Christians that would still help them. That's how wonderful these day to day ordinary people are.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by cwl3

So we are having all sorts of people attacking and mocking Christians on these forums.

Always ready to oblige.

Bear in mind that this is not a Christian forum; it is the David Icke forum, and Icke is an opponent of Christianity and of organised religion who believes that the Jesus myth and Jesus religion is simply a tool to enslave and control humankind.

If you come to this forum as a Christian you are debating on enemy territory, and it is is for you to defend your diabolical bible deity and your fictional religious fanatic of a "Saviour" against your opponents.

Were I to go on a Christian forum as a Satanist and an Antichristian, as I have done many times since the birth of the Internet, it would be I who would be attacked and probably expelled; not that I mind really.

Lux

Blasphemy, heresy etc.

[cwl3]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Always ready to oblige.

Bear in mind that this is not a Christian forum; it is the David Icke forum, and Icke is an opponent of Christianity and of organised religion who believes that the Jesus myth and Jesus religion is simply a tool to enslave and control humankind.

If you come to this forum as a Christian you are debating on enemy territory, and it is is for you to defend your diabolical bible deity and your fictional religious fanatic of a "Saviour" against your opponents.

Were I to go on a Christian forum as a Satanist and an Antichristian, as I have done many times since the birth of the Internet, it would be I who would be attacked and probably expelled; not that I mind really.

Lux

Blasphemy, heresy etc.

Whether all this is true or not doesn't matter.

There are many Christians I know in real life who I would rather turn to, than for instance you if I was in need.

I would not leave my children with a polygamist pornographer who sees nothing wrong with using profanities in front of families.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by cwl3

The typical Christian I know is what we would call a good person.

A person who believes in that the diabolically subhuman bible god is the absolute definition of perfect goodness will always have a different definition of the term "good" to a humanist; there is a difference between a lover of an evil deity which seems to despise humankind and a humane person who has love for humankind.

Certainly there have been Christians in history who have been rather humane people, but this was not because they believed in the evil god of the Bible, it was in spite of that. For example the Christians who opposed the Christian slave trade did not do so because they believed in the evil god of the Bible; they did so because they were decent human beings; for there is nothing in the Bible which prohibits slavery; in fact the bible god supports, endorses and in some instances insists up slavery.

If there are humane worshippers of the bible god, it is because they are human beings, it is not because they are bible god devotees, it is in spite of that, as the bible god demands genocidal holy war, homophobia, the eventual eradication of all non believers and religious fanaticism.

The fictional Jesus is hardly a humanistic model of "good"; he is portrayed as a rather primitive person who believed that mental and physical illness were caused by demonic possession and claimed to be able to offer cures; just as many Christian charlatans do today; if Christians actually adhered to the teachings of this fictional and genocidal religious fanatic, they would be much worse persons and Christianity would be far more evil a religion than it already is.

A Neochristian is much like a Neonazi; they both might reject and revise certain elements of their ideology and try to put on a nice face to the world, but a flawed and utterly evil ideology does not need to be reformed, but discarded. Why base a modern form of religion on an utterly dire and genocidal religious fanatic of a god?

Lux

[itruth]

Originally Posted by cwl3

So we are having all sorts of people attacking and mocking Christians on these forums.

Although this doesn't happen in my life, I only see it on the forums. But there are countries in the world where people are attacked for being Christian.

The typical Christian I know is what we would call a good person. They are courteous, kind, respectful, they take an interest in others well being. Indeed I have known many Christians who have given me things while asking for nothing in return. This sort of generousity is amazing.

There are Christians I know who do charitable work, they give up their time for free to help out people less fortunate than themselves.

If I was struggling I know I could turn to a Christian organisation for help rather than being detained at Her Majesties pleasure.

So I then wondered why there are so many people attacking these basically good people, and I tried to imagine myself attacking these good people.


I can imagine for myself I would need to be quite a hateful and angry person to do this. It's not the Christians that are sick, it's the people that are attacking them that are sick.

I have pitty for them and I hope they can get well. Even though they are haters, I even know Christians that would still help them. That's how wonderful these day to day ordinary people are.

Wow!

Thats well deep.

Actually, what you said, is virtually word for word exactly how I see things too, ultimatly.

Not many ideaologies advise people to do good to those who will fully despise you.

This is what christians should/do aspire to:

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Luk 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Luk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27

[itruth]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

A person who believes in that the diabolically subhuman bible god is the absolute definition of perfect goodness will always have a different definition of the term "good" to a humanist; there is a difference between a lover of an evil deity which seems to despise humankind and a humane person who has love for humankind.

Certainly there have been Christians in history who have been rather humane people, but this was not because they believed in the evil god of the Bible, it was in spite of that. For example the Christians who opposed the Christian slave trade did not do so because they believed in the evil god of the Bible; they did so because they were decent human beings; for there is nothing in the Bible which prohibits slavery; in fact the bible god supports, endorses and in some instances insists up slavery.

If there are humane worshippers of the bible god, it is because they are human beings, it is not because they are bible god devotees, it is in spite of that, as the bible god demands genocidal holy war, homophobia, the eventual eradication of all non believers and religious fanaticism.

The fictional Jesus is hardly a humanistic model of "good"; he is portrayed as a rather primitive person who believed that mental and physical illness were caused by demonic possession and claimed to be able to offer cures; just as many Christian charlatans do today; if Christians actually adhered to the teachings of this fictional and genocidal religious fanatic, they would be much worse persons and Christianity would be far more evil a religion than it already is.

A Neochristian is much like a Neonazi; they both might reject and revise certain elements of their ideology and try to put on a nice face to the world, but a flawed and utterly evil ideology does not need to be reformed, but discarded. Why base a modern form of religion on an utterly dire and genocidal religious fanatic of a god?

Lux

Sometimes you just chat so much garbage.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just a surface reader, and thats you. Well fine, you do your thing. But I am starting to think that it is you who are the fanatic. Fanatically walking around in ignorance (like certain authors) with a chip on your shoulder.

And actually, its because the christians used to have to mix up with and put up certain types of lowlifes why the christians became millitant in the first place. It has nothing to do with what the bible says. At those times most christians couldn't even read, so they had no idea what the bible was saying and were easily minipulated by unscrupulous priests and such.


Bernard Lewis has also, in my view correctly, suggested that the concept of "Holy War" was originally alien to Christianity and was imported to Europe after Europeans had been confronted with Islamic Jihad. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3017

[radziox]

Originally Posted by itruth

This is what christians should/do aspire to:

Says a basher if islam. The quran also orders many good things to be done by its followers. How insightful of you to cherry-pick the sweet parts of the bible like that and bash quran by cherry-picking the negative parts . I smell hypocrisy in the air .

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by itruth

Wow!

This is what christians should/do aspire to:

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Luk 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Luk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27

Selective cherry picking. One can cherry pick one's way through Hitler's speeches and through Mein Kampf and cherry pick numerous entirely progressive, socialistic and indeed entirely harmless statements, but that is now how we judge him.

If a criminal is prosecuted, it is only for the evil that they do; they cannot defend themselves by stating "Oh but I have also done many good and entirely harmless things."

That is how we judge other human beings, so why not the bible god; it is not for the harmless things which is in the Bible that we judge it as evil, it is for the evil of the evil bible that we judge it as evil.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by cwl3

So we are having all sorts of people attacking and mocking Christians on these forums.

Although this doesn't happen in my life, I only see it on the forums. But there are countries in the world where people are attacked for being Christian.

The typical Christian I know is what we would call a good person. They are courteous, kind, respectful, they take an interest in others well being. Indeed I have known many Christians who have given me things while asking for nothing in return. This sort of generousity is amazing.

There are Christians I know who do charitable work, they give up their time for free to help out people less fortunate than themselves.

If I was struggling I know I could turn to a Christian organisation for help rather than being detained at Her Majesties pleasure.

So I then wondered why there are so many people attacking these basically good people, and I tried to imagine myself attacking these good people.

I can imagine for myself I would need to be quite a hateful and angry person to do this. It's not the Christians that are sick, it's the people that are attacking them that are sick.

I have pitty for them and I hope they can get well. Even though they are haters, I even know Christians that would still help them. That's how wonderful these day to day ordinary people are.

It't to be expected. We live in enemy territory right now. And yes, they are sick. Spiritually sick.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by cwl3

So we are having all sorts of people attacking and mocking Christians on these forums.


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We have all sorts of christians here attacking every other human's right to have a relationship with God. I think that is offensive to the extreme, pompous and bigotted. It leads to real shit in life, and no amount of apology should cover that up. If it hadn't been for one or two "heated" discussions about it I wouldn't have realized this about strict christians.

And then to be labelled a hater for standing up against such bigotry?

We had a christian tell us this was enemy ground. How can one be attacked on enemy ground? That is called defense, in that WE defend ourselves from the attackers who come here. .

Honestly, if you find this enemey ground to offensive , then just go somewhere less offensive.

Bigotry has been attacked, and the bigots are trying to turn the tables round on those that tell them they are bigots. That is to be expected. But long may the attacks continue in that case, it is clear where the bigotry is coming from.

[ohme]

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon

It't to be expected. We live in enemy territory right now. And yes, they are sick. Spiritually sick.

ha ha, talk of the devil. So what is the purpose of your attack here then?

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by ohme

Bigotry has been attacked, and the bigots are trying to turn the tables round on those that tell them they are bigots. That is to be expected. But long may the attacks continue in that case, it is clear where the bigotry is coming from.

It is hardly bigotry to attack religious bigots whose definition of "absolute goodness" is a bigoted, genocidal, religious fanatic of a deity who promises to eradicate all non believers; it is simply human nature to consider the enemies of humankind to be enemies and to hate one's enemies.

Loving ones' militant and genocidal enemies is simply foolish; militant and genocidal religious fanaticism must be hated, despised and thoroughly eradicated.

Lux

[logos880]

Originally Posted by cwl3

So we are having all sorts of people attacking and mocking Christians on these forums.

Although this doesn't happen in my life, I only see it on the forums. But there are countries in the world where people are attacked for being Christian.

The typical Christian I know is what we would call a good person. They are courteous, kind, respectful, they take an interest in others well being. Indeed I have known many Christians who have given me things while asking for nothing in return. This sort of generousity is amazing.

There are Christians I know who do charitable work, they give up their time for free to help out people less fortunate than themselves.

If I was struggling I know I could turn to a Christian organisation for help rather than being detained at Her Majesties pleasure.

So I then wondered why there are so many people attacking these basically good people, and I tried to imagine myself attacking these good people.

I can imagine for myself I would need to be quite a hateful and angry person to do this. It's not the Christians that are sick, it's the people that are attacking them that are sick.

I have pitty for them and I hope they can get well. Even though they are haters, I even know Christians that would still help them. That's how wonderful these day to day ordinary people are.

I've often wondered the same. thanks for the support dude.

[radziox]

Originally Posted by logos880

I've often wondered the same. thanks for the support dude.

A bigot that wonders why his religion that is intolerant at the very root is being attacked...

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by logos880

I've often wondered the same. thanks for the support dude.

+1

[logos880]

Originally Posted by ohme

We have all sorts of christians here attacking every other human's right to have a relationship with God. I think that is offensive to the extreme, pompous and bigotted. It leads to real shit in life, and no amount of apology should cover that up. If it hadn't been for one or two "heated" discussions about it I wouldn't have realized this about strict christians.

nah, you just expect christians to recant their belief that "Jesus is the only way" to ease your cognitive dissonance about their belief. sorry to burst bubble, but the world doesn't revolve around your idea of what beliefs are kosher and what beliefs are not.

Originally Posted by ohme

And then to be labelled a hater for standing up against such bigotry?

nah, thought police is a better label.

Originally Posted by ohme

We had a christian tell us this was enemy ground. How can one be attacked on enemy ground? That is called defense, in that WE defend ourselves from the attackers who come here. .

Honestly, if you find this enemey ground to offensive , then just go somewhere less offensive.

lolz, so you think it's cool to hate on christians but it's not cool for christians to be christians? double standard.

Originally Posted by ohme

Bigotry has been attacked, and the bigots are trying to turn the tables round on those that tell them they are bigots. That is to be expected. But long may the attacks continue in that case, it is clear where the bigotry is coming from.

you lot have really latched on to this word "bigot", eh?

[armoured_amazon]

He doesn't get that the whole planet is enemy ground, therefore, it's of no surprise to me that enemy territory has little privates stationed all over the camp. And I hate to burst your bubble, owe-me, but I'm staying right here until THE CREATOR tells me it's time to leave.

[logos880]

Originally Posted by radziox

A bigot that wonders why his religion that is intolerant at the very root is being attacked...

^thought police.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by logos880

^thought police.

I can only see three people in this thread, other than me

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon

He doesn't get that the whole planet is enemy ground, therefore, it's of no surprise to me that enemy territory has little privates stationed all over the camp. And I hate to burst your bubble, owe-me, but I'm staying right here until THE CREATOR tells me it's time to leave.

So the Creator speaks directly to you?. Voices in the head? George "God told to me invade Iraq" Bush had that problem too. Of course if the supreme Creator of the universe, the god of gods only speaks to Christians like you, George and psychiatric hospital inmates and religous fanatics, he must be very desparate for friends.

There are certain psychiatric drugs that you can have prescribed which stop the voices.


Lux