Today on the alex jones show

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by zephiloyd

I've listened every day for 3 years, and I do not get that impression. Considering there is an engineered collapse coming in the US, it is right for him to alert people in the way he does, so they can prepare for what is coming.



In case your doors get kicked in by the starving and unprepared after the dollar collapses.

-Buddy (no offence) this "Engineered Collapse" Alex has been telling us we have been on the Cusp of- Since about 1997/98- Hasnt happened yet.

This "Engineered Collapse" has been talked about for over 60 years through Organizations such as John Burch Society.

This "Engineered Collapse" Alex is warning "us" about is always "right around the corner" always something to fear in the immediate (and it never happens)

Go back through old threads here from 5 years ago or go listen to Alex Jones from 10 years ago and guess what- He is saying the same shit. Nothing new.

OH, and if you really think "We have the Illuminati on the run" you really are gullible.

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

-Buddy (no offence) this "Engineered Collapse" Alex has been telling us we have been on the Cusp of- Since about 1997/98- Hasnt happened yet.

This "Engineered Collapse" has been talked about for over 60 years through Organizations such as John Burch Society.

This "Engineered Collapse" Alex is warning "us" about is always "right around the corner" always something to fear in the immediate (and it never happens)

Go back through old threads here from 5 years ago or go listen to Alex Jones from 10 years ago and guess what- He is saying the same shit. Nothing new.

OH, and if you really think "We have the Illuminati on the run" you really are gullible.

It sounds like you are seriously uninformed about what is going on.

It is nothing to do with "Oh it hasn't happened yet, and he is been going on about it for years". The collapse factor is built in to the system. FACT. If you don't know this, your research is severely lacking. It is through the collapse that they bring about their one world system. Once you know this, you need to use your research skills to follow the info regularly to gauge how far away the collapse is, and how harsh it is going to be. You put yourself in the shoes of the elite, and consider how you might manage society for an economic collapse. Perhaps you stage a large terrorist attack (9/11) to justify the invasion of sovereign countries to bring them more under the control of the world banking system, and to increase security at home. Further down the line after the public have been severely propagandised with terrorism, the security grid has been well and truely constructed and FEMA camps have been built, you gradually bring about the idea of white Al Qaeda to justify to the public the internment of US citizens who know the enemy. Then you get the president to sign the NDAA which allows indefinite internment of anyone they like, and you begin manning the FEMA camps. The police state is growing ever more tyranical to allow any desenters to be quickly dealt with. . In a nutshell, this is where we are at now.

It is worth noting that the enactment of the Federal Reserve celebrates its 99 year (9x11) anniversary at the end of the Mayan Calendar, winter solstice 2012. Is this the secret date for the completion of the Federal Reserve's mission, ie. destroy the US economy to justify bringing about a world currency under a world government? It is heading that way if you can read the signs

The Mayan Calendar is built into the Capital Building



If you go by 13 katuns coded into the great seal beginning in 1776 and ending in 2012



Lindsey Williams informs us that his elite friend says that when the Euro collapse we have 3 weeks until the dollar collapse. Look at the state of the Euro now.

I am telling you it is all planned for the end of this year. Get prepared. Whether they pull it off is another matter, but it has been coded into US history since its inception. The reason they have engineered the collapse for this time is another matter entirely. Even though AJ isn't as tuned to the esoterical info, he is still right that the collapse is immenent.

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by zephiloyd

It sounds like you are seriously uninformed about what is going on.

It is nothing to do with "Oh it hasn't happened yet, and he is been going on about it for years". The collapse factor is built in to the system. FACT. If you don't know this, your research is severely lacking. It is through the collapse that they bring about their one world system. Once you know this, you need to use your research skills to follow the info regularly to gauge how far away the collapse is, and how harsh it is going to be. You put yourself in the shoes of the elite, and consider how you might manage society for an economic collapse. Perhaps you stage a large terrorist attack (9/11) to justify the invasion of sovereign countries to bring them more under the control of the world banking system, and to increase security at home. Further down the line after the public have been severely propagandised with terrorism, the security grid has been well and truely constructed and FEMA camps have been built, you gradually bring about the idea of white Al Qaeda to justify to the public the internment of US citizens who know the enemy. Then you get the president to sign the NDAA which allows indefinite internment of anyone they like, and you begin manning the FEMA camps. The police state is growing ever more tyranical to allow any desenters to be quickly dealt with. . In a nutshell, this is where we are at now.

It is worth noting that the enactment of the Federal Reserve celebrates its 99 year (9x11) anniversary at the end of the Mayan Calendar, winter solstice 2012. Is this the secret date for the completion of the Federal Reserve's mission, ie. destroy the US economy to justify bringing about a world currency under a world government? It is heading that way if you can read the signs

The Mayan Calendar is built into the Capital Building



If you go by 13 katuns coded into the great seal beginning in 1776 and ending in 2012



Lindsey Williams informs us that his elite friend says that when the Euro collapse we have 3 weeks until the dollar collapse. Look at the state of the Euro now.

I am telling you it is all planned for the end of this year. Get prepared. Whether they pull it off is another matter, but it has been coded into US history since its inception. The reason they have engineered the collapse for this time is another matter entirely. Even though AJ isn't as tuned to the esoterical info, he is still right that the collapse is immenent.

-Certainly a Collapse is Imminent. Of that I am fully aware and we will completely agree.

I also know, without doubt that the World and Humankind will come to an end (so I even agree with the Doomsday crowd)

It is not a question of IF, but WHEN. All things come to an end, all systems collapse and given enough time the Sun will blow up, burn out or otherwise pull the Earth close enough to "boil the seas and ignite the air"... Something will inevitably happen to snuff out even a memory of life.

-So yeah, it will happen... And when it does you can bet there will be people talking about "the end times" (because they have been talking about the "end times" since time began)-

And I am not here to argue about how "informed" I am- The Mayan Calender on the White House??????? Really? OMG that means 2012 is the END....

I will talk to you in 2013, just like I talked to Harold Camping followers (you'll see, the Rapture is imminent!!!!) in 2011.

-But then you will surly have an excuse (Thats because we woke enough people up to "change the Universal energy" YAY we are WINNING) and be pointing to the next "sign"

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

-Certainly a Collapse is Imminent. Of that I am fully aware and we will completely agree.

I also know, without doubt there the World and Humankind will come to an end (so I even agree with the Doomsday crowd)

It is not a question of IF, but WHEN. All things come to an end, all systems collapse and given enough time the Sun will blow up, burn out or otherwise pull the Earth close enough to "boil the seas and ignite the air"... Something will inevitably happen to snuff out even a memory of life.

-So yeah, it will happen... And when it does you can bet there will be people talking about "the end times" (because they have been talking about the "end times" since time began)-

And I am not here to argue about how "informed" I am- The Mayan Calender on the White House??????? Really? OMG that means 2012 is the END....

I will talk to you in 2013, just like I talked to Harold Camping followers (you'll see, the Rapture is imminent!!!!) in 2011.

-But then you will surly have an excuse (Thats because we woke enough people up to "change the Universal energy" YAY we are WINNING) and be pointing to the next "sign"

Did I mention anything in my post about it being the END? No.

It is the engineered economic collapse to bring about world government and world currency. It could be and probably is a lot more than that (pole shift, age of aquarius, world war 3, 4th density etc.). But at the very basics of this change you agree that an economic collapse is planned, and all of the preparations for that senario are being made right now.

So why pour scorn on someone who is warning people about a collapse that you agree is planned?

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by zephiloyd

Did I mention anything in my post about it being the END? No.

It is the engineered economic collapse to bring about world government and world currency. It could be and probably is a lot more than that (pole shift, age of aquarius, 4th density etc.). But at the very basics of this change you agree that an economic collapse is planned, and all of the preparations for that senario are being made right now.

So why pour scorn on someone who is warning people about a collapse that you agree is planned?

You really think there is a "planned economic collapse"? I do not- I said a collapse is imminent (as all systems collapse given enough time) but I honestly do not think I will see it in my lifetime (although anything is possible)

-If there really is a Illuminati , trying to plan an economic collapse and cull a large percent of the population- They must be the most inept, ignorant and incompetent souls which ever existed.

For instance, many (not saying YOU) talk about how the Illuminati (lack of a better word) are "satanic pedophiles"... But, why are laws against Pedophilia becoming so harsh then? 18 year olds being jailed for sleeping with their 15 year old Girlfriend? If they have such power and sway of the media and such- Why so much outrage over things which a generation ago was normal? My Grandfather was 18 when he married my 13 year old Grandma.... Dont you think if our "Leaders" wanted a pedophilia society, these laws and pubic opinion would be the OPPOSITE?

"They want to kill us!". Another one I hear. Yet, people are living FAR longer than ever before (and please dont tell me about the Atlantians who lived 500 years, or Noah or any of that shit)- Plus "they" (the ones passing laws) are going total Nazi on health. Smoking is damn near illegal, kids cannot bring sweets to school or drink pop, etc, etc, etc..

-The Illuminati apparently keep moving society AWAY from their stated goals of population control.

NOW, this big "planned economic event" that (*apparently)has been in planning for 60+ years (some say since 1776 lol)- What kind of idiots couldnt collapse the World Economy in all that time if they RULE THE WORLD.

Logic tells me thatr if there is an Illuminati, they are probably very clever... Yet to listen to the logic of the "believers" you must assume the Illuminati are ignorant.

[aheroicstand]

The collapse was planned, they make money off of the boom and bust cycles of their economic system. They also have a plan for world government, so a large collapse is a necessity to merge the nation states into a global government.

Why make pedophilia illegal? Who says that was their idea? It was more likely a reaction to the people's outrage towards the activity. It being illegal isn't going to stop them. It's not like they'll ever have to answer to the laws they create, they're above them. The law is for the rest of us. Chumps go to jail for it, they don't. eEven when the rings they are involved in get exposed, like the dutroux affair in belgium, or just recently a madam in NY was arrested. She had underage prostitutes working for her, any chance her clientele gets busted, particularly the wealthy ones? Didn't happen with the dc madam, I'm not expecting it here either. There are client lists, and they know underage girls were involved, there should be more arrests made.

Eventually, the masses will become obsolete and I don't see why extermination wouldn't be part of their plans. I don't know enough about the soft kill stuff to say whether it's just a coincidence that much of what we're exposed to in modern life kills us or if there was a coordinated plan to accomplish this. Eugenics isn't something that was made up though, so if that type of mindset still persists in the minds of the elite and they have taken measures to poison the population of the planet it would not surprise me at all.

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by aheroicstand

The collapse was planned, they make money off of the boom and bust cycles of their economic system. They also have a plan for world government, so a large collapse is a necessity to merge the nation states into a global government.

Why make pedophilia illegal? Who says that was their idea? It was more likely a reaction to the people's outrage towards the activity. It being illegal isn't going to stop them. It's not like they'll ever have to answer to the laws they create, they're above them. The law is for the rest of us. Chumps go to jail for it, they don't. eEven when the rings they are involved in get exposed, like the dutroux affair in belgium, or just recently a madam in NY was arrested. She had underage prostitutes working for her, any chance her clientele gets busted, particularly the wealthy ones? Didn't happen with the dc madam, I'm not expecting it here either. There are client lists, and they know underage girls were involved, there should be more arrests made.

Eventually, the masses will become obsolete and I don't see why extermination wouldn't be part of their plans. I don't know enough about the soft kill stuff to say whether it's just a coincidence that much of what we're exposed to in modern life kills us or if there was a coordinated plan to accomplish this. Eugenics isn't something that was made up though, so if that type of mindset still persists in the minds of the elite and they have taken measures to poison the population of the planet it would not surprise me at all.

-Totally agree with the Boom and Bust cycle and many other shady activities by Financial Institutions (Fractional Reserve Banking, etc.) being "planned Conspiracies"- I am not saying there are not Conspiricy (as clearly there are many)-

BUT this "over reaching, shadowy, Illuminati" conjured up by Jones (this nameless, Satanic entity) does not exist-

And yes, we will have World Government. Its inevitable and has been since Trans Atlantic Flight. Its a natural progression since organized society has collectively been merging since we stopped being Hunter/Gatherers. This evolution has been happening since the beginning and is a quite probable place for us to "end up."

-And yes, those at the TOP will benefit when this happens and those at the bottom will not. This happens at every level of change.

BUT,I live a pretty good damn life and a pretty good society. Alot of things suck, need changing for the better and certainly are not moving in a positive direction- Yet for the first time in history even most of the poor have a comfort level unattainable to KINGS in other eras. What kind of World will we have if Alex Jones was leading? A world where you are so damn paranoid and places which serve Breakfast and have a "Sun" on their Building are accused of being some part of a secret Cabal.

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

You really think there is a "planned economic collapse"? I do not- I said a collapse is imminent (as all systems collapse given enough time) but I honestly do not think I will see it in my lifetime (although anything is possible)

-If there really is a Illuminati , trying to plan an economic collapse and cull a large percent of the population- They must be the most inept, ignorant and incompetent souls which ever existed.

For instance, many (not saying YOU) talk about how the Illuminati (lack of a better word) are "satanic pedophiles"... But, why are laws against Pedophilia becoming so harsh then? 18 year olds being jailed for sleeping with their 15 year old Girlfriend? If they have such power and sway of the media and such- Why so much outrage over things which a generation ago was normal? My Grandfather was 18 when he married my 13 year old Grandma.... Dont you think if our "Leaders" wanted a pedophilia society, these laws and pubic opinion would be the OPPOSITE?

These are questions which require much detail, and if you really wanted to know the answers you could find out without my input.

They are masters of social engineering. Laws for the public maybe harsh but they cover up the CPS paedophiles and institutionalised paedophilia.

The nanny state enforces control over the people for what appear to be reasonable reasons, the threat of paedophelia, so that children can be taken by the state. They are selling the people the idea that children belong to the state, whilst the state sex educates them at an increasingly younger age and consequently sexualises them at an increasingly younger age. The state will ultimately be forced to reduce the age of consent through a problem it created. The fact that paedophilia is now regarded as a "disability" in Greece, is the next step in this long term agenda.

"They want to kill us!". Another one I hear. Yet, people are living FAR longer than ever before (and please dont tell me about the Atlantians who lived 500 years, or Noah or any of that shit)- Plus "they" (the ones passing laws) are going total Nazi on health. Smoking is damn near illegal, kids cannot bring sweets to school or drink pop, etc, etc, etc..

People are not living far longer than ever before. Its bullshit.

Infant mortality rate has reduced due to improvemt in start of life health care, which increased average lifespan, however factor out that and we are dying much younger than 100 years ago

Cancer rates have tripled in the last 30 years. Rates of kids dying from cancer is through the roof. Years ago it was pretty much unheard of.

The state of health of people is dire. The drug industries have an almost complete control over the education of doctors, this feedsback onto the public for example in 25% of women being on psychiatric drugs. Such drugs shorten life and ensure dependency

Iatrogenic diseases are on the increase.

Vaccines are being promoted world wide to sterilize the poplulation, and make them customers of big pharma for life

Bisphenol A in plastic drink containers and printer ink feminies men causing low sperm count and hyperfeminises women causing early puberty and breast cancer. Result: more death and less reproduction

I could continue with this but I need to go to bed

NOW, this big "planned economic event" that (*apparently)has been in planning for 60+ years (some say since 1776 lol)- What kind of idiots couldnt collapse the World Economy in all that time if they RULE THE WORLD.

Logic tells me thatr if there is an Illuminati, they are probably very clever... Yet to listen to the logic of the "believers" you must assume the Illuminati are ignorant.

What makes you think they wanted to do it at any time in the past? They need to do it at the right time, and the great shift of the ages into Aquarius was always the time. They are operating according to a long term Luciferian plan that was designed to take place over centuries, and we are in the end stages right now. This is the kind of stuff encoded into the bible. They aren't just going to collapse things when they feel like it. They operate according to a code of conduct and astrological data.

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by zephiloyd

These are questions which require much detail, and if you really wanted to know the answers you could find out without my input.

They are masters of social engineering. Laws for the public maybe harsh but they cover up the CPS paedophiles and institutionalised paedophilia.

The nanny state enforces control over the people for what appear to be reasonable reasons, the threat of paedophelia, so that children can be taken by the state. They are selling the people the idea that children belong to the state, whilst the state sex educates them at an increasingly younger age and consequently sexualises them at an increasingly younger age. The state will ultimately be forced to reduce the age of consent through a problem it created. The fact that paedophilia is now regarded as a "disability" in Greece, is the next step in this long term agenda.



People are not living far longer than ever before. Its bullshit.

Infant mortality rate has reduced due to improvemt in start of life health care, which increased average lifespan, however factor out that and we are dying much younger than 100 years ago

Cancer rates have tripled in the last 30 years. Rates of kids dying from cancer is through the roof. Years ago it was pretty much unheard of.

The state of health of people is dire. The drug industries have an almost complete control over the education of doctors, this feedsback onto the public for example in 25% of women being on psychiatric drugs. Such drugs shorten life and ensure dependency

Iatrogenic diseases are on the increase.

Vaccines are being promoted world wide to sterilize the poplulation, and make them customers of big pharma for life

Bisphenol A in plastic drink containers and printer ink feminies men causing low sperm count and hyperfeminises women causing early puberty and breast cancer. Result: more death and less reproduction

I could continue with this but I need to go to bed



What makes you think they wanted to do it at any time in the past? They need to do it at the right time, and the great shift of the ages into Aquarius was always the time. They are operating according to a long term Luciferian plan that was designed to take place over centuries, and we are in the end stages right now. This is the kind of stuff encoded into the bible. They aren't just going to collapse things when they feel like it. They operate according to a code of conduct and astrological data.

Because my contacts on Saturn tell me they want to do it during the time of Taurus and the Aquarian age is really a deception by the Monkey People who live in the Sea and give the Illusion that they are Reptilians due to the fake control grid they created- This is necessarily because they can only feed off of energy of those who think they are "awake"

-Its complex stuff man. Written about in both the Pyramids (the ones they hid from us) of Egypt and in the Tablets of Sumer (which is why we went to war in Iraq)

Numerologicly 2012 is 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 5

5

doncha see Man? Moses war right all along.

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

BUT this "over reaching, shadowy, Illuminati" conjured up by Jones (this nameless, Satanic entity) does not exist-.

I hate the term Illuminati.

What I believe we have is a powerful elite at the top of the pile engineering world events to suit their agendas. The engineering tool of the trade is money and debt.

Everyone is in debt - to them.

The agenda is a single world government.

I believe the likes of Rothschilds and Rockerfellers are at the pinnacle.

Rollerfeller admitted his agenda in his own biography.

I even possibly think that they think their intentions are ultimately good (so long as they stay top of the pile that is).

Anyone who thinks the people at the top don't conspire on ways of remaining at the top are deluded.

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

Because my contacts on Saturn tell me they want to do it during the time of Taurus and the Aquarian age is really a deception by the Monkey People who live in the Sea and give the Illusion that they are Reptilians due to the fake control grid they created- This is necessarily because they can only feed off of energy of those who think they are "awake"

-Its complex stuff man. Written about in both the Pyramids (the ones they hid from us) of Egypt and in the Tablets of Sumer (which is why we went to war in Iraq)

Numerologicly 2012 is 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 5

5

doncha see Man? Moses war right all along.

Well giving you a genuine and informed reply was a waste of half an hour, why are you in this forum if that is the level you're at? Did you really want answers to your questions, because your mocking overtones indicate not?

[stevie0013]

Originally Posted by bluegrazz

Because my contacts on Saturn tell me they want to do it during the time of Taurus and the Aquarian age is really a deception by the Monkey People who live in the Sea and give the Illusion that they are Reptilians due to the fake control grid they created- This is necessarily because they can only feed off of energy of those who think they are "awake"

-Its complex stuff man. Written about in both the Pyramids (the ones they hid from us) of Egypt and in the Tablets of Sumer (which is why we went to war in Iraq)

Numerologicly 2012 is 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 5

5

doncha see Man? Moses war right all along.

Nice post

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by stevie0013

Nice post

No its not, its a shit reply.

Its the kind of ill informed "ha ha you're a nut" crap you'd expect from some programmed sheep desperate to poke fun at the crazy conspiracy theorist

[bicycle]

That one family creating so much chaos, we must outnumber them something like two hundred million to one! They are truly snookered when humanity wakes up.

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[exile_absolved]

zephiloyd, bluegrazz:

If you care to share, point in the direction of further education for those who would like to contribute on a subtle/astral/energetic level. And be specific if you can.

Thx

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by exile_absolved

zephiloyd, bluegrazz:

If you care to share, point in the direction of further education for those who would like to contribute on a subtle/astral/energetic level. And be specific if you can.

Thx

Hi, Welcome

er what is the question again? be specific if you can.

[bluegrazz]

Originally Posted by exile_absolved

zephiloyd, bluegrazz:

If you care to share, point in the direction of further education for those who would like to contribute on a subtle/astral/energetic level. And be specific if you can.

Thx

I am no "expert" on ANYTHING- Much less anything "astral", "energetic" or otherwise "New Age"- I think its all very bad information...

Honestly (and I have said it before) Truth is impossible to know and to find- But the lies are easy to spot. Spotting and recognizing lies (however) is NOT a discovery of truth-

If I were to honestly give you MY opinion- Dont listen to Liars. This includes AQlex Jones, Lindsay Williams, Jerald Celnte (spelling???) and pretty much everyone on GCN OR who is currently a "leader" or "icon" of the "truth movement".

[zephiloyd]

My advice is listen to everybody within this field, and spend much time doing so, that way you can improve your critical analysis, and understand the people in terms of what they know and who they are and why they have the opinions they have, but accept that they are simply human as well, and don't know exactly why things are happening the way they are at all levels, but at least they are striving to find out. That way you wont pigeonhole people, you will focus on the information, appreciating real journalism rather than desperate character assassination and you wont make ill informed judgements about people you know little about. Listen to all the people Bluegrazz has told you are liars. Listen to David Icke, Lucus and John Moore, Red Ice Radio and Veritas Show and everything by Project Camelot. It is all on youtube.

[hiddensap]

May I ask why there is an Alex jones sticky thread?.

It seems odd, like the earthquake thread, it has no significance.

It is the stories and news people talk about that has significance not the 'messenger' .

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by hiddensap

May I ask why there is an Alex jones sticky thread?.

It seems odd, like the earthquake thread, it has no significance.

It is the stories and news people talk about that has significance not the 'messenger' .

I would imagine that is what the thread is for. If there is a subject matter or guest of particular interest on the show, then it can be highlighted here