Duality

[decode reality]

Originally Posted by consciousness

I'd like to think that the earth (physical) realm is also an astral realm of sorts.

In some spiritual teachings, each of the different realms of existence vary in density but they're all variants of the same energy/matter. The astral realm has been equated with the electromagnetic field, which is of course a subtle plane not so far removed from the concrete tangible one.

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by decode reality

In some spiritual teachings, each of the different realms of existence vary in density but they're all variants of the same energy/matter. The astral realm has been equated with the electromagnetic field, which is of course a subtle plane not so far removed from the concrete tangible one.

this seems to fit in with my own understandings, decode - you ahve summed it up quite nicely

Originally Posted by consciousness

I'd like to think that the earth (physical) realm is also an astral realm of sorts.

i think the astral realms are part of the matrix - and as such that the Earth is part of the Astral realms, certainly.

Perhaps the Earth resides in the more physical aspects of Astral - or perhaps the Astral realms focus on the solidity (as though the solidity acts like a magnet to focus the none physical aspects) - but the astral and earth are intertwined, this much seems evident.

I may be wrong, but i have always thought that the Astral is made up of several layers which act like a buffer - and in many ways obscure our connectivity with Self. The Astral levels are home to both negative and positive polarities and form a buffer between the two extremes of duality: the nearer the Astral realm to Infinite Love / Creator / Source - then the more aligned that realm will be to that / those energetic frequencies, and likewise the closer the realm to negative thought forms, the more likened it is to that energetic frequency. Of course both negative and positive frequencies exist in the central realms to varying degrees - the heavier the vibration then the more physical the Astral level.

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by decode reality

Hi Lighthouse, I'm familiar with the name though I haven't studied him. Could you recommend a good place to start?

I guess book The fourth way could interest you.
Here is a PDF link:
http://www.firehead.org/~pturing/occ...urth%20way.pdf

He spent a lot of time with and learned a lot from Gurdieff.
His books are mostly description of their intense
pupil - teacher relationship and Ouspensky's own spiritual journey.

Originally Posted by merlincove

i think the astral realms are part of the matrix...

And the most trickier.

Originally Posted by merlincove

..but the astral and earth are intertwined, this much seems evident.

I may be wrong, but i have always thought that the Astral is made up of several layers which act like a buffer - and in many ways obscure our connectivity with Self.

Of course both negative and positive frequencies exist in the central realms to varying degrees - the heavier the vibration then the more physical the Astral level.

So very true. Bolded especially.

[jconnar]

Is awareness dual in nature before the mind has taken that said awareness and labelled and compartmentalized it.

[jesusistruth]

Duality states that there cannot be good people unless there is evil people. There cannot be a spiritual realm unless there is a material realm. This is duality. You have two opposites that are necessary for the existence of each other.

Such as reflected by this man,

http://www.american-buddha.com/nazi....FRED_ROSENBERG

I would agree to an extent the Astral is "intertwined" with creation. This is not the true (uncreated, eternal) spiritual however and I do not believe it is necessary for existence. I think the sea that is no more after the new heaven and new earth in Revelation 21 is the astral plane. Where also the dragon, a water spewing sea monster, is and from where the Beast is surfaced.

[jconnar]

If you don't impose your beliefs on a situation that is happening, can it be good or bad?

[jesusistruth]

Originally Posted by jconnar

If you don't impose your beliefs on a situation that is happening, can it be good or bad?

Yes, our conscience is the light that has created all things and existed before all things. Therefore the final judge on what is good or bad is the holy, uncreated essence of God, and whatever is contrary to that is clearly perceived.

This doesn't stop people from creating constructs in their mind that blind them from the true conscience. But in any case, the objective point of view is the eye of God, who is not indifferent.

Even this lady will tell you

2012: A Message Of Hope For Humanity 2011 - YouTube

2012: A Message Of Hope For Humanity 2011 - YouTube

Maybe this one is better

ANCIENT CHRISTIAN TEACHING: On the Conscience, Lesson 3; ST DOROTHEOS OF GAZA - YouTube

ANCIENT CHRISTIAN TEACHING: On the Conscience, Lesson 3; ST DOROTHEOS OF GAZA - YouTube

The analogy of the well is pretty good

I can't say if the law helps us to dig up the dirt. Christ and his crucifixion does though...

[mariantisocial]

corr blimey!

compelled to add my confused and far from clear thoughts on the subject.

I can only speak for myself and i do agree words like duality, oneness, unity, astral etc are words i do not know the real meaning of for myself let alone try to ascertain what everyone else means as they use them; when studying my Bsc in psychology it always amused me that what seems so simple "definition" was really the first and greatest stumbling block to understanding - no one can agree yet to move anywhere at all we are compelled to try like a blind man feeling around a dark room for a cat that isnt there! not only this but these words depend on contexts that seem to me far from defined. I read this thread because i keep bumping up against duality and oneness as they seem fashionable buzz words in the spiritual community but - and i mean this humbly - i am none the wiser. i hope this post is in no way antagonistic i simple wish to understand

what are we talking about?

If i try to define these words this is what i come up with:
duallity a quick google search brings up: dualism a state of two parts, bringing to mind the Cartesian mind/matter dichotomy. I cannot deny hot and cold exist and a whole host of other opposites. at dawn there is light and dusk there is darkness. is this what we mean? if so day and night are the dual aspects observed in one rotation of the earth on its axis and is this full cycle then a oneness? as hot and cold are two extremes of thermodynamics? and someone brought up an interesting idea that opposites are not the same as duality though for the life of me the only difference i can find is that the former are examples of the latter. maybe someone else could add to this?


Illusion
1.
a. An erroneous perception of reality.
b. An erroneous concept or belief.
2. The condition of being deceived by a false perception or belief.
3. Something, such as a fantastic plan or desire, that causes an erroneous belief or perception.

this is another fashionable meme. I tend to think that the matrix is an illusion as in b - we carry erroneous belief about what life is: a job a house and all these nice "things" that it's just material and when we die we simply rot in a box. science can prove everything (but maybe not that consciousness exist - bit of an elephant in the room there but hey ho what we cant prove will just ignore) we are a distracted people. when it comes to a. i think its depends on context. I find it difficult to accept when i experience a hammer on my thumb or an orgasm that this is an illusion. if feels very real.

In the context of my experience it is not an illusion in the context of "god" (and i do not use that term in any sense of father god sat on cloud donning beard) or higher beings it may be an illusion they having supposedly a perfect perception of Reality while we are limited by our senses and even our extrasenses; (but then again what made god?) equally from what i have read and my tenuous puzzle piecing it strikes me that a creator intelligence might know itself in comparison to what it is not. And maybe duality this has a purpose to define ourselves by. if god is everything then no need for the word god right? we might just use the word "everything" so the word illusion what does it mean in context? The creator has a Reality with a R and we reality with an r. r being an illusory perception only in terms of R?

phenomenologically the table is an illusion: table is a label, but in order to move about in the world and identify anything from our conscious soup labels are helpful, we can zoom in an iteration and notice its just energy - atoms and space buzzing and yet keeping a coherent shape that we recognize as a table. but just because its really energy doesnt mean i cant eat my dinner off it. the linguistic aspect just as valid an aspect of my reality as quantum energy is. it may not be the whole picture but it is none the less part of the picture. duality is everywhere and on hot days ice cold beer is wonderful, in the artic hot chocolate is the way. maybe this is the discernment mentioned, we are free to use the opposites instead of a middle way tepid cruel for all occasions. however on the level of emotions the middle way is a good way so long as that isnt achieved by repression by by acknowledgement and careful thought.

sometimes it strikes me that to live in oneness isnt possible for us, whiles its a noble goal and worthwhile perhaps to strive toward its none the less unobtainable on this plane, corporeality seems to demand i make choices by necessity and will always therefor favor one thing over another be it food, music, philosophy and so on, otherwise does it not all become a bit blah? might we instead have to use balance and discernment, choices and experience, define our meaning. we are not yet above these things nor are we vulcan remaining unaffected by all things thus rendering us numb. for surely to have any feeling at all is to fall into the dreaded duality? I feel the problem is not the acknowledgement of opposites or making choices but the binary thinking of yes/no, right/wrong, either/or. it is an illusion or it is not an illusion. it is oneness or it is duality such are the linguistic artifacts produce by philosphising. while perhaps there are differing levels here to be considered.

how do we embody oneness while living in a vehicle both mind and matter? can I really ever rise above these distinctions totally when death stalks my every footstep? and what does it mean to embrace the opposites?

One other thing that stands out is the assertion herein that there are no dark or light beings, no war. only infinate love. indeed. like the table dark beings and war are but phenomenological labels attempting to explain what we appear to witness from our limited perspective. i cant deny that to me there appears to be a psychopathic minority that sold us down the river for their own gain, that the many are enslaved to the few and that an extradimensional force may be involved. what i dont know is the "oneness" behind that. like a rotation of the earth being the oneness behind day and night. I have heard it might be a lesson, a catalyst for learning about sovereignty and to assume there is a war at once true as it is false, to me the war has always been within, it is there i am a spiritiual warrior, to do better and to define what that means to me and "keep the beast in m nature under ceaseless attack".

I tend to see the light/dark forces as destructive and creative and when you look at these forces on our planet both are necessary, the creatures that help a carcass to decompose, and bring forth nutritious hummus mulch for new growth, it is the cycle of life. this is how i see these so called light and dark beings, just two faces of the great spirit, neither evil nor good. really just good good and so yes i can agree it is only infinite love but equally thats a label for something we dont understand - for the all that is unknowable.

or maybe im lost down the wrong road in the wrong town!

[zsymon]

Originally Posted by jconnar

If you don't impose your beliefs on a situation that is happening, can it be good or bad?

Imposing your beliefs, by the very nature of the act of "imposing", is never good.

Imposing means to force yourself on the unwilling.. which by default is not good.

In christianity the bible teaches that God is the only judge, yet many christians
feel that they have need to "righteously judge" others in every way they can.

They interpret it this way: they say when Jesus spoke about not judging, that he
actually meant to not judge "unrighteously", which is of course complete rubbish,
since all judgements are righteous in the perception of the one that is judging.

That is how they get around all the "do not"s in the bible that they don't like.

Obviously not all christians/religious people are like that.. many of my best mates
are christians and muslims, and they are all awesome people. It is still a lot more
pointless to discuss spirituality with an atheist, than with a religous fundamentalist.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by merlincove

I may be wrong, but i have always thought that the Astral is made up of several layers which act like a buffer - and in many ways obscure our connectivity with Self. The Astral levels are home to both negative and positive polarities and form a buffer between the two extremes of duality: the nearer the Astral realm to Infinite Love / Creator / Source - then the more aligned that realm will be to that / those energetic frequencies, and likewise the closer the realm to negative thought forms, the more likened it is to that energetic frequency. Of course both negative and positive frequencies exist in the central realms to varying degrees - the heavier the vibration then the more physical the Astral level.

interesting

[jconnar]

Can something be dual in nature, if you don't judge it to be either good or bad or anywhere in between?

[paganoflight]

Originally Posted by jesusistruth

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD PEOPLE

DUALITY IS THE BALANCE!!! OF OPPOSITES (the belief in)

just like you would see expressed in the Ying Yang and the Baphomet

Get if through YOUR head Jesusistruth, the Baphomet image is NOT the balance of duality, but duality OUT of balance with the corrupted male (dark) ruling over the female (Light). It it NOT balanced as is the Yin Yang. In fact the only thing female in the Baphomet image are the breasts. Hardly a balance but a fucking perversion. How you are not able to perceive this through your visual sense is striking.

[matteria]

Originally Posted by kgb_agent

they say for enlightenment or whatever, you must stop fighting within self and also accept and total surrender to everything that happens outside and take it all with grace..helps a being reach higher spiritual place..
there is no satan but a term given to the so called negative emotions that arise within self.. jesus probably stopped fighting with his negative emotions or something like that

//Jesus christ telling people abt kundalini / overcoming duality - from thomas gospel -->

Jesus said to His disciples,
"These infants being suckled are like those who enter the
Kingdom."

They said to Him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the
Kingdom?"

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you
make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside,
and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the
female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the
female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye,
and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and
a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter [the
Kingdom]."

I can't believe Jesus said that thousands of years ago, and it makes perfect sense to me even today (well no, I can). I also didn't know he said that because I've only ever read the gospels in the New Testament - as they were the only chapters focused on during private schooling - which clearly lack some of the greatest altruistic messages he had for us.

anyway, wonderful post on a wonderful thread. ty.

[gremlin]

What if the universe was in a duality? say each planet was it's own duality. If a planet can achieve oneness then why not the universe? If their was this schism because lucifer and godhead had a bit of a barny for the top dog position of god then it comes down to their must of been oneness at one point. So a duality happens to just bring in the negative for lucifer to exist as he is not getting the full godhead positve energy, he is literally cut off from the light and needs to exist on the lower vibrations and take over from Godhead.



Everyone is in pure health no disease. oneness.

[gremlin]

The Detailed Universe: Cosmos Travel : This will Blow Your Mind. - YouTube

The Detailed Universe: Cosmos Travel : This will Blow Your Mind. - YouTube

The Detailed Universe: Cosmos Travel : This will Blow Your Mind.

We are all one we just need to realize that all human beings are just disconnected and are not seperate from the universe, but do we choose love to live by or fear? LOVE!! Gonna be a challenge though

[gremlin]

Originally Posted by jesusistruth

Duality states that there cannot be good people unless there is evil people. There cannot be a spiritual realm unless there is a material realm. This is duality. You have two opposites that are necessary for the existence of each other.

Such as reflected by this man,

http://www.american-buddha.com/nazi....FRED_ROSENBERG

I would agree to an extent the Astral is "intertwined" with creation. This is not the true (uncreated, eternal) spiritual however and I do not believe it is necessary for existence. I think the sea that is no more after the new heaven and new earth in Revelation 21 is the astral plane. Where also the dragon, a water spewing sea monster, is and from where the Beast is surfaced.

But that is what has happened, a duality, why then can't their be just Light and oneness? Duality is like a game so we can learn what we want to lean but have been caught in duality for far to long.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by gremlin

We are all one we just need to realize that all human beings are just disconnected and are not seperate from the universe, but do we choose love to live by or fear? LOVE!! Gonna be a challenge though

yes it is. im trying to look at it as an adventure!

so have you seen much change in realization here on DI over the past 5 years?

[gremlin]

As what bill hicks says. It's a ride.

Oh yeah, much change. What is so mind blowing is the pace of information, it is getting more and more faster. Well for me it is. 5 years, when I look back from when i first joined to now. wow!
I see everything more clearly now thanks to david icke and john harris and bruce lipton. their the 3 people who really put it all together for me. I kept on playing everything over and over then, BANG! it hits, the picture gets created.
Now from a forum perspective, I hope I have challenged the lefties on here. Racism seems the only agenda on some minds. But now as I know that is part of the agenda. Racism is a tool for the elite to use the robot radicals/UAF for their end game. lucifer loves RACISM!

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by gremlin

Oh yeah, much change. What is so mind blowing is the pace of information, it is getting more and more faster. Well for me it is. 5 years, when I look back from when i first joined to now. wow!
I see everything more clearly now thanks to david icke and john harris and bruce lipton. their the 3 people who really put it all together for me. I kept on playing everything over and over then, BANG! it hits, the picture gets created.

nice!

[kyrani99]

[QUOTE=jesusistruth;1060691014]Duality states that there cannot be good people unless there is evil people. There cannot be a spiritual realm unless there is a material realm. This is duality. You have two opposites that are necessary for the existence of each other.
QUOTE]

Duality has nothing to do with evil. Duality is the pairs of opposites but these are good and bad not good and evil. Evil is unnecessary. It is something abnormal. It is not necessary for existence. We don't need or require a backdrop of evil in the world to exist at all.