Duality

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by iq_145

. I think that this is becoming more and more difficult as we are being bombarded with technology that is evolving at a supernatural rate.

i hear you. im starting to wonder if the Luddites were right and technological progress is advancing us to Hell.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

The most important question is not who are you, rather what will you be after you are lost.

And you will be free. From good, from bad, from categorizing, judging, free from it all.



It is the path of who are you not, and not making some new you again and again. As if it hasn't been done before numerous times.

free from beliefs.

like i wonder if all beliefs are not just attachments?

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by lonestar

free from beliefs.

like i wonder if all beliefs are not just attachments?

They are.

Thoughts and our reactions are connected.
One thought provokes another.
Organised thoughts become beliefs.

For me there was a great shift when I started accepting that everything changes.
The power of my attachments dropps to a lower level with every day as I realise this more and more.

[iq_145]

Originally Posted by lonestar

i hear you. im starting to wonder if the Luddites were right and technological progress is advancing us to Hell.

True. Like sheep to the slaughterhouse.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

They are.

Thoughts and our reactions are connected.
One thought provokes another.
Organised thoughts become beliefs.

For me there was a great shift when I started accepting that everything changes.
The power of my attachments dropps to a lower level with every day as I realise this more and more.

thanks for sharing.

and as i go deeper and deeper inside myself and im really honest with myself it can be a total mind fuck down here. i might think or act like im all awakened on this thread but that gets tested immediately when i walk outside the door and have a conversation with my neighbor.

for example as i work on seeing through all the conditioning everywhere around me i feel like im living in a different reality, and many people appear to me to be so sound asleep and conditioned that they have no chance in hell of ever awakening in this lifetime.

but the truth is (and this is where you have to be honest with yourself) that is just my own conditioning and beliefs that think they will not wake up. and who the hell am i to think or believe when or how they should wake up?

plus no matter what, we're all in the same freakin reality. lol

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by lonestar

for example as i work on seeing through all the conditioning everywhere around me i feel like im living in a different reality, and many people appear to me to be so sound asleep and conditioned that they have no chance in hell of ever awakening in this lifetime.

but the truth is (and this is where you have to be honest with yourself) that is just my own conditioning and beliefs that think they will not wake up. and who the hell am i to think or believe when or how they should wake up?

The truth is that few wake up. Maybe your assumptions about who will or will not wake up or is awaken are accurate, maybe not.
What is important is that it doesn't matter.
That was a big, big realisation for me.
To stop engaging so much in other people's lives while constantly refusing to deal with my own stuff. And you know how much stuff we all have.
It is not being self-centered or selfish, in fact I never had better relations to other people than now (and I was always a social type of person).

But I shovel my own shit, and that is quite enough.
Everyone are exactly where they have to be, and I accept them as they are.
There is nothing more that can be done.

I would say have a nice night, but I believe it is afternoon back there.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Everyone are exactly where they have to be, and I accept them as they are.

I would say have a nice night, but I believe it is afternoon back there.

yes afternoon thankyou, and i like to think of them being the juice in life. i mean if we were all just pure non duality (almost formless) how boring would that be? thank god were not all wired like that.

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by lonestar

i mean if we were all just pure non duality (almost formless) how boring would that be? thank god were not all wired like that.

It's kind of a paradox, this advaita, there is no separate me stuff.
But I obviously got it the wrong way.
'Cause the less me there is, the more life flows through this "place" called "me".
More different, not so long ago uncomprehensive possibilities come to be.

It's not boring because there is an infinite space unfolding.
This space is both good and evil, like that proverbial tree in the garden of Eden.

[lonestar]

lol you're so funny lighthouse. and i agree with you. but i mean without the goods, the bads, and the ups and downs we could end up in equilibrium and stable, and then would we even know this?

ps i just love throwing abstract ideas at you. they seem to flow right through you with uncomprehensive possibilities.

[opas23]

Abbott And Costello dont know where they are - YouTube

Abbott And Costello dont know where they are - YouTube

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

Abbott And Costello dont know where they are

they are here and never went anywhere.

so does that mean that even my future self is already here?

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by lonestar

lol you're so funny lighthouse.

As my one of my good friends always says, (and she is hell of a woman),
die heiligen war nicht traurig.
(Saints were not sad.)

Originally Posted by lonestar

ps i just love throwing abstract ideas at you. they seem to flow right through you with incomprehensive possibilities.

And I'm thankful for that you do. Because I lack on abstract.


P.S. Damn it, Lonestar, you type like you're from Croatia.

Originally Posted by lonestar

they are here and never went anywhere.

so does that mean that even my future self is already here?

As I see it, the future and the past do not exist.
Thoughts about them exist, and they too exist in the now.
You probably know the experience of changing perspective on some event in the past? And in the end it feels like the past changed too, right?

As for the question where am I.. I always consult with my GPS.
HTC satellites spy on me flawlessly, so I trust them more than anyone.

[infinityandlove]

Originally Posted by lonestar

yes afternoon thankyou, and i like to think of them being the juice in life. i mean if we were all just pure non duality (almost formless) how boring would that be? thank god were not all wired like that.

Non-duality is another word for what we are, but we are at our core, Infinite Love. Eternal Harmony.

That's the best position/state to be in.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Damn it, Lonestar, you type like you're from Croatia.

please dont disrespect Croatians by comparing them to way i abuse the english language.

Originally Posted by lighthouse

You probably know the experience of changing perspective on some event in the past? And in the end it feels like the past changed too, right?

oh yes, and then that perspective in some way changes the future of our reality.

Originally Posted by infinityandlove

Non-duality is another word for what we are, but we are at our core, Infinite Love. Eternal Harmony.

That's the best position/state to be in.

i whole heartily agree. but for some me its not that easy to comprehend. for example i went through a strange period a few months back looking at the english language. it seemed evil to me in some way. each letter looked evil. symbols were fine but letters disturbed me. and when i saw letters together to make a word like LOVE it really bothered me. i hated seeing the word love...a heart symbol fine but i would look at those 4 letters put together and feel that they are doing more harm than good in trying to communicate that core feeling. so strange.... a friend in another thread calmed me down and lucky for me my entire life has been pretty strange so i was able to quickly move on through that period.

edit: Eternal Harmony sounds very cool in the Engilsh language. lol

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

they are here and never went anywhere.

so does that mean that even my future self is already here?

Hey lonestar,

Been a while since I had time to type here, but I have had a chance to quickly browse the forums from time to time and I must say that your 'quickening' is an inspiration m8!

All the best to you and your own,

Opas23.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

Hey lonestar,

Been a while since I had time to type here, but I have had a chance to quickly browse the forums from time to time and I must say that your 'quickening' is an inspiration m8!

All the best to you and your own,

Opas23.

i appreciate that Opas. and im very grateful to have learned so much from posters like you. im trying to give some back by sharing what im learning. and something im still having a hard time dealing with is stuff i dont want to experience. imagine that. lol

for example i get upset seeing all the suffering going on in the world. and then i get upset with what caused it. i sometimes blame and get upset with people like the bankers, the politicians, or so called elites etc... but now im starting to really see the reflection of myself in all this blame and pain and i get pissed at myself for continuing to fall into this trap.

so im still getting pissed at myself for getting upset with how i treat myself.

LMAO

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

i appreciate that Opas. and im very grateful to have learned so much from posters like you. im trying to give some back by sharing what im learning. and something im still having a hard time dealing with is stuff i dont want to experience. imagine that. lol

Here's a very ancient 'experiment' which I'd like to share with you m8.

When sometimes life is hard and dealing with 'stuff' is not wanted, just ask yourself, "Is the skeleton in this body really bothered about this?"

Concentrate on this most sturdy of supporting facts within you and how it gives structure and foundation to whatever hangs around or from it.

Is it bothered?

You may find a calm, neutral, supportive silence there, which has always been under the surface {sir face} and naturally 'grounds' the surrounding entity.

Try it, it's very old and wonderfully odd.

It also falls into the category of 'moving' or 'living' experiments which flow and expand the possibilities of thoroughly injoying our most hated of feelings and experiences.

All the best,

Opas23.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

When sometimes life is hard and dealing with 'stuff' is not wanted, just ask yourself, "Is the skeleton in this body really bothered about this?"

yes, thats a great tool. thank you

i like to think of my true self as this lil (intense) ball of energy. in fact imo we're all just dense mass but we're also all the less dense mass surrounding us and yes maybe we shouldnt "really bothered about this"

Originally Posted by opas23

It also falls into the category of 'moving' or 'living' experiments which flow and expand the possibilities of thoroughly injoying our most hated of feelings and experiences.

yes but... ive always liked to think outside the box and be a trouble maker (thats why i love lighthouse) and as i realize who my new self of being is not only the emotions, experiences, but also the less dense silence surrounding us all i feel like taking it another step and wanting to "experiment" with with this new self. like idk maybe there are stages of consciousness and we can learn how to change the experience and break some fucking rules.

[lighthouse]

Originally Posted by lonestar

yes but... ive always liked to think outside the box and be a trouble maker (thats why i love lighthouse)

Awww..

Have you seen that movie Prometheus?
The Alien series prequel?

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Have you seen that movie Prometheus?
The Alien series prequel?

not yet. but it looks decent for a sci fi. have you ever noticed that many of the old sci fi movies become self fulfilling prophecies? (technology advancements)

crazy shit....

Prometheus - Peter Weyland TED 2023 [OFFICIAL CLIP] HD - Viral Video - YouTube

Prometheus - Peter Weyland TED 2023 [OFFICIAL CLIP] HD - Viral Video - YouTube

i bet this Prometheus promo freaked the hell out many peeps on this site. (and who the fuck can blame them)

so why do you ask lighthouse? and dont worry about spoiling the movie for me, cause im sure to be disappointed from a prequel that came from a kick ass movie like alien.