Hollie and Anne Greig- Appeal hearing today.

uprising · 02-03-2012, 12:14 PM

I've posted this in the Robert Green thread but feel this a separate issue worthy of it's own.

I'm off to bed now, so please post anything you hear, Ta.

http://holliedemandsjustice.org/cont...nd-march-2012/
Lawyers acting for Anne have just advised the following:

The case is not listed before 12 o’clock, meaning that the case will not start before mid-day due to other cases in the same court before the same judges (or at least one of them).

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The appeal in the case of AG and HG is due to be heard before a bench of 3 Lord Justice’s at the Court of Appeal on 2nd March 2012.

The case concerns the orders made by the Court of Protection of the Family Division of the High Court in respect of an application made by Shropshire County Council.

The hearing which is listed for half a day will concentrate on legal submissions and will not be relevant to the issue of abuse or the campaign.

We would invite any supporters wishing to attend the hearing to show restraint and refrain from interjecting or disrupting the hearing which would be detrimental to and undermine the case.

........

Prayers and good wishes to them.

dolores1 · 02-03-2012, 01:22 PM

Quiet dignity will make the most impact.

But not on this paedo establishment!

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busa · 02-03-2012, 02:13 PM

I wish them a positive outcome of their appeal.

sparkplug · 02-03-2012, 05:07 PM

Hope everything went well for them.

baglady2012 · 02-03-2012, 07:22 PM

Taken from http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/hol...ource=activity

HOLLIE GREIG LOSES APPEAL

"Anne and Hollie Greig have lost their right to appeal the high court judgement. This means they now have to go to the SS secret closed family courts. This is not good, Hollie could be taken into care. Today was pretty much their last hope. They put Robert away for many reasons, but one of them was so that the people who have joined the campaign could not put all their energy into Justice for Hollie, as they would have to fight Roberts's case as well". Sandra Barr -https://www.facebook.com/groups/303657517100/

Time to put Shropshire Social Services in the spotlight . . .

dolores1 · 02-03-2012, 07:32 PM

I hope UK Coolumn get more involved. They are brilliant at going to the root of the matter and printing the truth.

I wouldn't mind paying extra for a new edition to help cover the costs.

God help Anne and Hollie, these SODs are using every dirty trick in the book. They have even covered up or were involved in the murder of Hollie's uncle.

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baglady2012 · 02-03-2012, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dolores1

I hope UK Coolumn get more involved. They are brilliant at going to the root of the matter and printing the truth.

I wouldn't mind paying extra for a new edition to help cover the costs.

God help Anne and Hollie, these SODs are using every dirty trick in the book. They have even covered up or were involved in the murder of Hollie's uncle.

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These people are filthy scum, even worse than that. I agree that Brian Gerrish should get involved even as just a "friend" who can attend the SS star chamber. He's under several gagging orders himself so he won't be able to do anything except act as a credible witness to the perverts actions.

People in the Shropshire village where Anne and Hollie live don't know all the facts and are confused about what is going on.

This must have been the game plan all along - put Robert away just before the crucial appeal process.

I'm in danger of exploding so I'll try to calm down a bit, but I am so so so angry . . .

uprising · 03-03-2012, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baglady2012

These people are filthy scum, even worse than that. I agree that Brian Gerrish should get involved even as just a "friend" who can attend the SS star chamber. He's under several gagging orders himself so he won't be able to do anything except act as a credible witness to the perverts actions.

People in the Shropshire village where Anne and Hollie live don't know all the facts and are confused about what is going on.

This must have been the game plan all along - put Robert away just before the crucial appeal process.

I'm in danger of exploding so I'll try to calm down a bit, but I am so so so angry . . .

Words fail me.
I had hoped, for once they would do the right thing.

BASTARDS!

baglady2012 · 03-03-2012, 10:41 PM

Taken from http://holliedemandsjustice.org/cont...2nd-march2012/

Picture: Sylvia Major, one of Hollie’s alleged abusers, the woman who was so ‘traumatized’ by Robert Green’s election leaflets that she complained to Grampian Police and gave evidence at his trial, the woman who confirmed under oath that she was never interviewed by police over Hollie’s allegations, yet was able to travel over 700 miles to London to take the seat immediately behind Hollie in the court to intimidate her. Hollie was visibly terrified when she saw her.

Synopsis of Court of Appeal Hearing – 2 March 2012

The 20 minute hearing in front of Lord Justice Thorpe on 27 October 2011 was adjourned to be listed for half a day in front of 3 Lord Justices. The purpose of the adjournment was to enable the Appellant, Anne, to seek professional legal representation.

A solicitor and barrister were instructed, and they advised that it was necessary to reduce the original argument to a discrete point of law being;
Was it “necessary” for the Court to intervene in Hollie’s life?

Ian Wise QC submitted to the 3 Lord Justices that the evidence provided by Shropshire Council, in their application to invoke the inherent jurisdiction of the Court, which is available to protect vulnerable members of society, was scant and contradicted their argument that Hollie was being coerced using undue influence.

He asked for permission to appeal the decision of Mrs Justice Pauffley, to make Anne and Robert subject to Injunctions threatening prison if they took Hollie to further public meetings. Mrs Justice Pauffley also invited the Official Solicitor to represent Hollie, and to make enquiries into whether Hollie has capacity to litigate or consent to the campaign, by instructing a disputed psychiatrist.

Ian Wise QC advanced the case that Mrs Justice Pauffley didn’t put her mind to whether Hollie’s involvement in the campaign was the result of coercion and undue influence allowing her to invoke her inherent powers and Hollie being “vulnerable” was not enough to invoke the inherent jurisdiction due to the doctrine of necessity.

The question that the Court of Appeal was essentially asked was this:
“Does the evidence provided by Shropshire Council demonstrate that it is Hollie’s choice to demand justice through campaigning in which case the Court has no jurisdiction, or is the campaign exploiting Hollie, thereby invoking a NEED for the Court to invoke it’s inherent powers to protect?”

The Court of Appeal decided that the question was not one for the Court of Appeal to answer. They decided that the matter ought properly be tried in the lower court in secrecy. The Judges agreed that the Court had rightly drawn inferences that Hollie needed protection because her mother had not co-operated with Shropshire Council in their investigation into Hollie’s ability to consent to the campaign.

Anne had simply made the same submission as Ian Wise QC – There is no case to answer!

As a result of Mrs Justice Pauffley’s orders, and the refusal of the Court of Appeal to intervene, Anne is now guilty of exploiting Hollie until she is able to prove her innocence in a secret Court, where the evidence is controlled by the Local Authority and Official Solicitor and experts are not agreed.

Since the public Court of Appeal refuses to hear the evidence relating to whether it is Hollie’s choice to campaign, should we draw inferences about the secrecy ordered? Are the Courts protecting Hollie or are they protecting the Paedophiles who abused Hollie?

One very clear point made by Ian Wise QC when referring to the medical evidence exhibited to Shropshire Council’s statement was Hollie’s story is real and when Hollie is away from her mother she goes into a state of panic.

It was also made clear that Hollie is presumed to have capacity unless medical evidence proves otherwise. In this case the presumption of capacity still exists.

The Court of Protection invariably remove vulnerable people from their carers, on accusations that the state will take better care of them. What could frighten Hollie more than the prospect of being taken from her mother, into the care of state officials? Especially as Hollie has not fully recovered from when she was abused by social workers, police, a judge and others while living in Scotland.

The concern is that the secrecy of the lower court will allow Judges to make perverse “findings” based upon biased expert reports as often happens in the secret family courts which remove thousands of children from their families each year. The Court of Appeal decision means that it is perfectly lawful for anyone to be declared as not having capacity in the interim, on the allegation of a Local Authority, without any supporting evidence.

Once declared to not have capacity to litigate during proceedings forced upon you, you lose your legal identity which is taken over by the official solicitor. You can no longer choose your own representation, or complain, consent, withhold consent, request your records, withhold your records, make choices, and most importantly psychiatric assessment can be forced on you.

If the psychiatrist you never consented to reports that you do not have capacity to make decisions, your life belongs to the government and they will decide where you live, whether you are drugged, locked up for life, removed from your family – and all this happens in secrecy, with the threat of imprisonment if anyone dares tell the story of what happened in the secret court.

Of course Ian Wise QC could not imply that the Secret Court was a potentially corrupt Court and therefore did not address the Court of Appeal with the argument that Hollie’s case needs to be heard in open court in order to protect her from unjustified state intervention.

Hollie has had enough of secrets! Hollie demands justice.

spitalwings · 03-03-2012, 10:58 PM

Has Hollie or her Mother ever taken a lie detector test regarding the accusations of molestation?

baglady2012 · 03-03-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spitalwings

Has Hollie or her Mother ever taken a lie detector test regarding the accusations of molestation?

Why would they need to? There was plenty of medical evidence - a young child doesn't contract a venereal disease by sitting on toilet seats and there was vaginal scarring and other symptoms of being buggered - have you read the evidence?

Down's syndrome children and adults don't lie - they don't see the need to. My son had Down's Syndrome - he was very aware of right and wrong even at a very young age and would chastise me at times if I told his sister off!

Lie tests are not foolproof, most psychopaths pass lie tests because they show no emotion or signs of stress. So I don't see how having lie tests in addition to all the other evidence is either helpful or important.

uprising · 04-03-2012, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitalwings

Has Hollie or her Mother ever taken a lie detector test regarding the accusations of molestation?

You've been watching too much Jeremy Kyle.

anthony81 · 04-03-2012, 08:48 PM

Words fail me to there is definetley no justice in this world....

Sylvia major may you rot in hell you scum, the scottish establishment who are protecting her, and the other abusers may you to rot in the ediffices.

where are the spineless mainstream media when you need them.

I know brainwashing the public retards into thinking we need another war in the middle east.

dainty · 05-03-2012, 09:30 PM

Hollie Greig Echoes Through The Royal Courts - YouTube

uprising · 05-03-2012, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dainty

Hollie Greig Echoes Through The Royal Courts - YouTube

I've just been watching that vid, a good one to spread.

Please, those that haven't yet, sign the petition- 'Free Robert Green & Investigate the Hollie Greig case' @ http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...reig-case.html

spread the link, spread the word.
cheers.

anthony81 · 06-03-2012, 12:44 AM

Brian gerrish on the pulse as usual, I was truly moved by watching that docu.

Thanks bill maloney, brian gerrish, robert green, ann greig, and hollie she is so brave, your fighting a good fight.

This vid needs to fly.....

02-03-2012, 12:14 PM	#1
uprising Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,083	Hollie and Anne Greig- Appeal hearing today. I've posted this in the Robert Green thread but feel this a separate issue worthy of it's own. I'm off to bed now, so please post anything you hear, Ta. http://holliedemandsjustice.org/cont...nd-march-2012/ Lawyers acting for Anne have just advised the following: The case is not listed before 12 o’clock, meaning that the case will not start before mid-day due to other cases in the same court before the same judges (or at least one of them). +++ The appeal in the case of AG and HG is due to be heard before a bench of 3 Lord Justice’s at the Court of Appeal on 2nd March 2012. The case concerns the orders made by the Court of Protection of the Family Division of the High Court in respect of an application made by Shropshire County Council. The hearing which is listed for half a day will concentrate on legal submissions and will not be relevant to the issue of abuse or the campaign. We would invite any supporters wishing to attend the hearing to show restraint and refrain from interjecting or disrupting the hearing which would be detrimental to and undermine the case. ........ Prayers and good wishes to them. Last edited by uprising; 02-03-2012 at 12:17 PM.

02-03-2012, 01:22 PM	#2
dolores1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the hill and round the bend Posts: 12,287	Quiet dignity will make the most impact. But not on this paedo establishment! . __________________ When you know who you're not allowed to criticize, you know who is in control! Points taken!

02-03-2012, 02:13 PM	#3
busa Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: UK Posts: 8,663	I wish them a positive outcome of their appeal. __________________ Older, wiser, Faster !

02-03-2012, 07:32 PM	#6
dolores1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the hill and round the bend Posts: 12,287	I hope UK Coolumn get more involved. They are brilliant at going to the root of the matter and printing the truth. I wouldn't mind paying extra for a new edition to help cover the costs. God help Anne and Hollie, these SODs are using every dirty trick in the book. They have even covered up or were involved in the murder of Hollie's uncle. . __________________ When you know who you're not allowed to criticize, you know who is in control! Points taken! Last edited by dolores1; 02-03-2012 at 07:33 PM.

03-03-2012, 10:41 PM	#9
baglady2012 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lost in France Posts: 185	Press release and transcript of appeal hearing Taken from http://holliedemandsjustice.org/cont...2nd-march2012/ Picture: Sylvia Major, one of Hollie’s alleged abusers, the woman who was so ‘traumatized’ by Robert Green’s election leaflets that she complained to Grampian Police and gave evidence at his trial, the woman who confirmed under oath that she was never interviewed by police over Hollie’s allegations, yet was able to travel over 700 miles to London to take the seat immediately behind Hollie in the court to intimidate her. Hollie was visibly terrified when she saw her. Synopsis of Court of Appeal Hearing – 2 March 2012 The 20 minute hearing in front of Lord Justice Thorpe on 27 October 2011 was adjourned to be listed for half a day in front of 3 Lord Justices. The purpose of the adjournment was to enable the Appellant, Anne, to seek professional legal representation. A solicitor and barrister were instructed, and they advised that it was necessary to reduce the original argument to a discrete point of law being; Was it “necessary” for the Court to intervene in Hollie’s life? Ian Wise QC submitted to the 3 Lord Justices that the evidence provided by Shropshire Council, in their application to invoke the inherent jurisdiction of the Court, which is available to protect vulnerable members of society, was scant and contradicted their argument that Hollie was being coerced using undue influence. He asked for permission to appeal the decision of Mrs Justice Pauffley, to make Anne and Robert subject to Injunctions threatening prison if they took Hollie to further public meetings. Mrs Justice Pauffley also invited the Official Solicitor to represent Hollie, and to make enquiries into whether Hollie has capacity to litigate or consent to the campaign, by instructing a disputed psychiatrist. Ian Wise QC advanced the case that Mrs Justice Pauffley didn’t put her mind to whether Hollie’s involvement in the campaign was the result of coercion and undue influence allowing her to invoke her inherent powers and Hollie being “vulnerable” was not enough to invoke the inherent jurisdiction due to the doctrine of necessity. The question that the Court of Appeal was essentially asked was this: “Does the evidence provided by Shropshire Council demonstrate that it is Hollie’s choice to demand justice through campaigning in which case the Court has no jurisdiction, or is the campaign exploiting Hollie, thereby invoking a NEED for the Court to invoke it’s inherent powers to protect?” The Court of Appeal decided that the question was not one for the Court of Appeal to answer. They decided that the matter ought properly be tried in the lower court in secrecy. The Judges agreed that the Court had rightly drawn inferences that Hollie needed protection because her mother had not co-operated with Shropshire Council in their investigation into Hollie’s ability to consent to the campaign. Anne had simply made the same submission as Ian Wise QC – There is no case to answer! As a result of Mrs Justice Pauffley’s orders, and the refusal of the Court of Appeal to intervene, Anne is now guilty of exploiting Hollie until she is able to prove her innocence in a secret Court, where the evidence is controlled by the Local Authority and Official Solicitor and experts are not agreed. Since the public Court of Appeal refuses to hear the evidence relating to whether it is Hollie’s choice to campaign, should we draw inferences about the secrecy ordered? Are the Courts protecting Hollie or are they protecting the Paedophiles who abused Hollie? One very clear point made by Ian Wise QC when referring to the medical evidence exhibited to Shropshire Council’s statement was Hollie’s story is real and when Hollie is away from her mother she goes into a state of panic. It was also made clear that Hollie is presumed to have capacity unless medical evidence proves otherwise. In this case the presumption of capacity still exists. The Court of Protection invariably remove vulnerable people from their carers, on accusations that the state will take better care of them. What could frighten Hollie more than the prospect of being taken from her mother, into the care of state officials? Especially as Hollie has not fully recovered from when she was abused by social workers, police, a judge and others while living in Scotland. The concern is that the secrecy of the lower court will allow Judges to make perverse “findings” based upon biased expert reports as often happens in the secret family courts which remove thousands of children from their families each year. The Court of Appeal decision means that it is perfectly lawful for anyone to be declared as not having capacity in the interim, on the allegation of a Local Authority, without any supporting evidence. Once declared to not have capacity to litigate during proceedings forced upon you, you lose your legal identity which is taken over by the official solicitor. You can no longer choose your own representation, or complain, consent, withhold consent, request your records, withhold your records, make choices, and most importantly psychiatric assessment can be forced on you. If the psychiatrist you never consented to reports that you do not have capacity to make decisions, your life belongs to the government and they will decide where you live, whether you are drugged, locked up for life, removed from your family – and all this happens in secrecy, with the threat of imprisonment if anyone dares tell the story of what happened in the secret court. Of course Ian Wise QC could not imply that the Secret Court was a potentially corrupt Court and therefore did not address the Court of Appeal with the argument that Hollie’s case needs to be heard in open court in order to protect her from unjustified state intervention. Hollie has had enough of secrets! Hollie demands justice.

02-03-2012, 05:07 PM	#4
sparkplug Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,643	Hope everything went well for them.

02-03-2012, 07:22 PM	#5
baglady2012 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lost in France Posts: 185	Taken from http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/hol...ource=activity HOLLIE GREIG LOSES APPEAL "Anne and Hollie Greig have lost their right to appeal the high court judgement. This means they now have to go to the SS secret closed family courts. This is not good, Hollie could be taken into care. Today was pretty much their last hope. They put Robert away for many reasons, but one of them was so that the people who have joined the campaign could not put all their energy into Justice for Hollie, as they would have to fight Roberts's case as well". Sandra Barr -https://www.facebook.com/groups/303657517100/ Time to put Shropshire Social Services in the spotlight . . .

03-03-2012, 10:58 PM	#10
spitalwings Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 764	Has Hollie or her Mother ever taken a lie detector test regarding the accusations of molestation?

04-03-2012, 08:48 PM	#13
anthony81 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 98	Words fail me to there is definetley no justice in this world.... Sylvia major may you rot in hell you scum, the scottish establishment who are protecting her, and the other abusers may you to rot in the ediffices. where are the spineless mainstream media when you need them. I know brainwashing the public retards into thinking we need another war in the middle east.

06-03-2012, 12:44 AM	#16
anthony81 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 98	Brian gerrish on the pulse as usual, I was truly moved by watching that docu. Thanks bill maloney, brian gerrish, robert green, ann greig, and hollie she is so brave, your fighting a good fight. This vid needs to fly.....