New evidence casts doubt in Lockerbie case

[wakeup2nwo]

New evidence casts doubt in Lockerbie case - YouTube

New evidence casts doubt in Lockerbie case - YouTube

Who would an old dieing man lie about this? Most "terrorists" Love to tell the world it was them who did it.

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Good find! -

too late for Libya though.

[uprising]

I was rather surprised when I saw this on tv news earlier.
Channel 4 showed a documentary though recently about the father of a victim that didn't believe he was guilty.

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Circuit boards Sold to the Libyan Government by Who? Batch bought from who? After manufacture by who? Shopkeeper ‘Tony’ from where?

I’m sure that if Lockerbie,7/7 and 9/11 were treated as normal crimes and handled by normal police investigators, that history would have been way different now…That’s the thing with the new terrorist laws handed down to the peasants by our new Corporate Nobility…A smoke screen to negate normal criminal investigation (Start with the family – standard procedure) under the cover of national security. How they fuck and kill us with absolutely no sanction. A sociopath’s dream.

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Let's play Sherlock and hand the Lockerbie Investigation to Scotland Yard. We have the Circuit Board, Supplier and Batch. More importantly we have 'Tony' the witness. Let's get Tony in and give him a polygraph. Lets do some forensic research into the suppliers of the batch and take the new evidence - the piece now available-and work it back into the bomb...Let's look more closely at the clothing bought and found in the suitcase that convicted the Patsy, and then run test on that..Let's start questioning customs authorities and start looking a video footage around the time. I'm sure people here could come up with a clanger for the establishment after looking at this clip.

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An official commission of inquiry was chaired by Judge Cecil Margo,[13][18] with cooperation from the aircraft manufacturer, Boeing, and the United States National Transportation Safety Board.

The official report determined that while the Helderberg was over the Indian Ocean, a fire had occurred in the main deck cargo hold, originating in the front right-hand cargo pallet.[13] Aircraft parts recovered from the ocean floor showed fire damage in temperatures over 300 °C (572 °F); tests showed that temperatures of 600 °C (1,112 °F) would have been required to melt a carbon-fibre tennis racket recovered from the crash site, leading Boeing specialist Fred Bereswill to speculate that an oxidant such as ammonium perchlorate was present.[citation needed] The reason for the loss was not specified, but two possibilities were detailed in the official report: Firstly, that the crew became incapacitated due to smoke penetration into the cockpit.[13] Secondly, that the fire weakened the structure and the tail separated leading to impact with the ocean. The commission concluded that it was impossible to allocate blame to anyone for the fire.[1

Conspiracy theories

In January 1992, the journal of the Royal Aeronautical Society reported that the inquiry into the in-flight fire that destroyed SAA Flight 295 might be reopened because the airline had allegedly confirmed that its passenger jets had carried cargo for Armscor, a South African arms agency. The RAeS journal, Aerospace, asserted: "It is known that the crew and passengers were overcome by a main deck cargo fire, and the ignition of missile rocket fuel is one cause now under suspicion."[25] A complaint against the newspaper that first published the allegations, Weekend Star, was lodged by Armscor.[19]:168

David Klatzow's theory

Dr David Klatzow was one of the forensic scientists who, on his own admission, was retained to work on the case by Boeing's counsel around the time of the official enquiry.[29] He subsequently criticized the Margo commission for spending an inordinate amount of time looking into "relatively irrelevant issues" and that the commission ignored the most important question: what was the source of the fire and who had been responsible for loading it onto the aircraft. Klatzow believes that there are certain irregularities in parts of the commission transcript that indicate that something on the CVR transcript had to be concealed.[19]:168,174

Klatzow put forward a theory that the fire likely involved substances that would not normally be carried on a passenger aircraft and that the fire was not likely a wood, cardboard, or plastic fire.[7] South Africa was under an arms embargo at the time; the South African government therefore had to buy arms clandestinely.[30] His theory postulates that the South African government placed a rocket system in the cargo hold, and that vibration caused unstable ammonium perchlorate to ignite.[7][19]:172, 177, 189

Klatzow contends that conversation of the crew suggests that the fire started above the South China Sea, shortly after takeoff; he believes that this indicates that the voice recorder was not working for a long period of the flight or that the crew turned it off. If this is the case, he says it is then likely that an unknown number of the passengers would have already died from smoke inhalation from the first fire. Klatzow believes that theory is consistent with reports that find most of the passengers were in the first class area of the plane at the front as smoke from the back of the plane forced them to move forward. The captain did not land the aircraft directly after the fire, Klatzow argues, because if he had he would have been arrested for endangering the lives of his passengers and it would have caused a major problem for South Africa, costing the country and SAA R400 million. Klatzow argues that the captain, who was also a reservist in the South African Air Force, would therefore have been ordered to carry on to South Africa in hopes of making it there before the aircraft's structural integrity gave in.[19]:177-182, 186 These points have been refuted by others.[31]

On 20 July 2011, retired SAA captain Clair Fichardt announced that he had made a statement in connection with the missing Jan Smuts air traffic control tapes, after he was persuaded to do so by Klatzow.[32] Fichardt claimed that captain James Deale admitted to handing the tapes to captain Mickey Mitchell, who was chief pilot at the Johannesburg control centre on the night of the crash. Deale would further have stated that Gert van der Veer, head of SAA, and lawyer Ardie Malherbe were present during the transfer of the tapes. Earlier, during the TRC hearings, Klatzow had cross-examined Van der Veer, Mitchell and Vernon Nadel, the Operations Officer who was on duty.[3


Post-apartheid investigation

In 1996, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), established by the post-apartheid South African Government, investigated apartheid era atrocities. In particular, the Helderberg accident was investigated to determine if there was any truth behind the conspiracy theories that the Margo Commission had covered up or missed any evidence that might implicate the previous government .[26] David Klatzow was invited by the TRC to explain his theories and cross-examine witnesses. Unlike most other hearings of the TRC, the hearing into SA 295 was conducted in camera,[29] and without any representation from the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA);[31] Klatzow considered the CAA untrustworthy because it had participated in the official enquiry, which he considered flawed. A number of key aspects of Klatgzow's theory hinged on his criticism of the actions of Judge Margo during the official enquiry, yet Judge Margo was not summoned to answer any of the allegations made against him.[29]

The commission concluded that nothing listed in the cargo manifest could have caused the fire. Following public pressure, the TRC records were released into the public domain in May 2000. Upon receiving the documents, Transport Minister Dullah Omar stated that the inquiry would be reopened if any fresh evidence was discovered.[34] The police were tasked to investigate if there was any new evidence, and to make a recommendation to the minister. In October 2002, the minister announced that no new evidence had been found to justify re-opening the enquiry.[35][36]


My Hero..Dr. David Klatzow..one awesome Human Being//they are rare.

South African Airways Flight 295 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

South African Airways Flight 295 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South African Airways Flight 295 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ringwind]

Google "the selective use of polygraphs"

[wakeup2nwo]

Originally Posted by ringwind

Google "the selective use of polygraphs"

When i did. It lead me to this link
http://forum.davidicke.com/tags.php?...adri-track+zct

Whats the link to the attack?

[ringwind]

http://www.facebook.com/megrahiyouar...54459274573500

[serpentine]

Originally Posted by fingersync

An official commission of inquiry was chaired by Judge Cecil Margo,[13][18] with cooperation from the aircraft manufacturer, Boeing, and the United States National Transportation Safety Board.

The official report determined that while the Helderberg was over the Indian Ocean, a fire had occurred in the main deck cargo hold, originating in the front right-hand cargo pallet.[13] Aircraft parts recovered from the ocean floor showed fire damage in temperatures over 300 °C (572 °F); tests showed that temperatures of 600 °C (1,112 °F) would have been required to melt a carbon-fibre tennis racket recovered from the crash site, leading Boeing specialist Fred Bereswill to speculate that an oxidant such as ammonium perchlorate was present.[citation needed] The reason for the loss was not specified, but two possibilities were detailed in the official report: Firstly, that the crew became incapacitated due to smoke penetration into the cockpit.[13] Secondly, that the fire weakened the structure and the tail separated leading to impact with the ocean. The commission concluded that it was impossible to allocate blame to anyone for the fire.[1

Conspiracy theories

In January 1992, the journal of the Royal Aeronautical Society reported that the inquiry into the in-flight fire that destroyed SAA Flight 295 might be reopened because the airline had allegedly confirmed that its passenger jets had carried cargo for Armscor, a South African arms agency. The RAeS journal, Aerospace, asserted: "It is known that the crew and passengers were overcome by a main deck cargo fire, and the ignition of missile rocket fuel is one cause now under suspicion."[25] A complaint against the newspaper that first published the allegations, Weekend Star, was lodged by Armscor.[19]:168

David Klatzow's theory

Dr David Klatzow was one of the forensic scientists who, on his own admission, was retained to work on the case by Boeing's counsel around the time of the official enquiry.[29] He subsequently criticized the Margo commission for spending an inordinate amount of time looking into "relatively irrelevant issues" and that the commission ignored the most important question: what was the source of the fire and who had been responsible for loading it onto the aircraft. Klatzow believes that there are certain irregularities in parts of the commission transcript that indicate that something on the CVR transcript had to be concealed.[19]:168,174

Klatzow put forward a theory that the fire likely involved substances that would not normally be carried on a passenger aircraft and that the fire was not likely a wood, cardboard, or plastic fire.[7] South Africa was under an arms embargo at the time; the South African government therefore had to buy arms clandestinely.[30] His theory postulates that the South African government placed a rocket system in the cargo hold, and that vibration caused unstable ammonium perchlorate to ignite.[7][19]:172, 177, 189..........................
South African Airways Flight 295 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suspect a similar incident might have caused the 1985 Gander air crash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Air_Flight_1285

http://www.sandford.org/gandercrash/main/index.shtml

[bobbydiva]

Lockerbie Bomber Was Innocent; New Documents Support the Obvious

Edwin Bollier the now elderly former owner of the company that created the Timers, told the Guardian:
“Two years before Lockerbie, we sold 20 MST-13 timers to the Libyan military. FBI agents and the Scottish investigators said one of those timers had been used to detonate the bomb.”

He became a defence witness because of unease about the fragments he was shown. They did not match the circuit-boards his company produced.

“I was shown fragments of a brown circuit board which matched our prototype. But when the MST-13 went into production, the timers contained green boards. I knew that the timers sold to Libya had green boards.”

He further claims during the trial that the evidence had been tampered with.

“…the trial was so skewed to prove Libyan involvement that the details of what I had to say was ignored. A photograph of the fragments was produced in court and I asked to see the pieces again. When they were brought to me, they were practically carbonised. They had been tampered with since I had seen them in Dumfries.”

Full Article looking at the whole case:
http://wideshut.co.uk/lockerbie-bomb...nd-conspiracy/

[ringwind]

Danny Casolaro, Paul Wilcher, Phil Schneider and JFK.