Why Islam Is Only True Religion From God

[markdiegutis]

oops last post should have read Sikhs believe in one god not many aspects of one god. just noticed that mistake :P

[chip1]

Originally Posted by chip1

VENUS TRANSFORMED: Something special is happening to Venus in the evening sky. The second planet is diving toward the sun for a much-anticipated transit on June 5-6. As Venus turns its night side toward Earth, the planet is transforming into a beautifully slender and colorful crescent:



The crescent shape of Venus is easy to see in good binoculars or small telescopes. No special observing experience is required. Just find Venus in the western sky after sunset (you can't miss it), point and look. A good tripod to hold the optics steady is recommended.

As the evening wears on and Venus sinks toward the horizon, the refractive effect of Earth's atmosphere splits the crescent into the colors of the rainbow. Kevin R. Witman of Cochranville, Pennsylvania, observed the phenomenon on May 11th: "Earth's atmospheric refraction of Venus's ample light made a beautiful image...

The Crescent Of LOVE...

Lift your head from the books and see the image on your flag...

511... Family Gate... Family Sign...



Yes you are confused... By the words that were taken from you...

[ultimate_warlord]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

sur·ren·der   [suh-ren-der]
verb
1.
to yield (something) to the possession or power of another; deliver up possession of on demand or under duress: to surrender the fort to the enemy; to surrender the stolen goods to the police.
2.
to give (oneself) up, as to the police.
3.
to give (oneself) up to some influence, course, emotion, etc.: He surrendered himself to a life of hardship.
4.
to give up, abandon, or relinquish (comfort, hope, etc.).
5.
to yield or resign (an office, privilege, etc.) in favor of another.
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sub·mit   [suhb-mit] sub·mit·ted, sub·mit·ting.
verb
1.
to give over or yield to the power or authority of another (often used reflexively).
2.
to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3.
to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others: to submit a plan; to submit an application.
4.
to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usually followed by a clause): I submit that full proof should be required.
verb (used without object)
5.
to yield oneself to the power or authority of another: to submit to a conqueror.
6.
to allow oneself to be subjected to some kind of treatment: to submit to chemotherapy.
7.
to defer to another's judgment, opinion, decision, etc.: I submit to your superior judgment.


some teacher you are.

I love this assessment of ISLAM, which by the way is a verb. Sums up the sickness very clearly.
Give up, Surrender, Get a rope....LOLOLOLOLOL.

[sumonht1990]

You are wasting page after page, your time, your brain and many others to prove that Islam is the only true religion or not. But what is the output if you can prove it. Even Barrack Obama said in his visit to Middle East that islam is the greatest religion. So what?

[selig]

Originally Posted by sumonht1990

You are wasting page after page, your time, your brain and many others to prove that Islam is the only true religion or not. But what is the output if you can prove it. Even Barrack Obama said in his visit to Middle East that islam is the greatest religion. So what?

Proof?

[ultimate_warlord]

Originally Posted by sumonht1990

You are wasting page after page, your time, your brain and many others to prove that Islam is the only true religion or not. But what is the output if you can prove it. Even Barrack Obama said in his visit to Middle East that islam is the greatest religion. So what?

Barrack Obama also supports gay marriage. Isn`t that anti-Islam? A proper muslim would castrate him for that.

[pertinax]

‎(’áslama) (verb form IV)

to submit
to become Muslim
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85

[nicholas bies]

wow someone quoting Barrack Obama as an authority...

[ciko]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

you do realise I am talking about a muslim as in someone that follows god..not someone that follows the religion of ISLAM. its just a play on words because those words happen to mean someone that submits to gods will.

that can mean christian jew hindu sikh too.

If you look at the hindu religion. you will see that the different gods you speak of are actually aspects of the ONE god the creator Brahma. true it gets confusing because they depict each aspect of the one god with a different idol.
Some hindus actually do think that they are worshipping many gods..but the original teachings show just the one god ..the creator.

Shiva and Vishnu are regarded as Mahādevas ("great gods" ) due to their central positions in worship and scriptures.[5] These two along with Brahma are considered the Trimurti—the three aspects of the universal supreme God. These three aspects symbolize the entire circle of samsara in Hinduism: Brahma as creator, Vishnu as preserver or protector, and Shiva as destroyer or judge.

Hindu deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the Sikhs also believe this too. one god with many aspects.

now by aspect I mean birth,death, love etc etc.. hindus believe in 330 gods or as some translate 330 million gods.. which to me would say that they believe an aspect of the one god is within each follower. making them an aspect of god. That I cannot back up with evidence because its just my opinion.

over the last week or so i have been reading up on Hindus and Sikhs...and I found that the Sikhs are said to be the sword arm of the Hindu religion to strike at muslim attackers. although many Sikhs believe that they were never part of the hindu religion and do not see themselves as hindu.





well you did many pages ago.
.



but they can say the same for you. whats holy about the quran...like the other books it was written by the hand of man. it does not make it holy at all in my opinion. and it makes all these holy books suspicious as far as sources of the truth are concerned.




technically they are aspects of one god...but this idea was nothing to do with any of the teachings of jesus that i ever read..and as an outsider looking in i see more mistakes in the bible than most holy books...but you see over the years it was changed many times... books of the bible were removed ..huge changes occured in the bad translation from hebrew and aramaic to latin to eventually english. Yes I agree with you that it is full of holes. but those holes can be found in other places if you broaden your search to other religions.

for example what is said in the quran about the giants known as nephilim with 6 fingers and 6 toes on each hand and foot ..many were canaanites.
I would be interested if they are mentioned and I would be interested in what was said about them. The book of Enoch is very revealing..as are the the babylonian clay tablets.



they can if it is aspects of a god...some can worship the love of allah... some like extremists follow the hate and war aspects of allah.

yes they could be called gods ..or aspects of one god.
either way i don't think it right to believe in a creator and only worship him for his love when he has power to hate and destroy and hurt too and these aspects are shown through his extremist followers.
I understand you see Allah as love and peace..but they (also Muslims) see Allah as vengeance hate and war and go to war with Allah leading them. because those are the aspects of Allah they choose to follow.

I hope this is coming across clear because I think this will explain why you see Islam as Peace and love and west see it as war and hate. Its because those aspects of Islam are all we are being shown now. we are not being shown the love of Allah or the peace of Allah. we are seeing hate and war.




technically christian and Islam religions didn't exist. they only were Muslims because that was the only word to describe them in Arabic. "one who surrenders to the will of god"




but that is because the arabic word for god is allah ...Al-ilah



the true meaning of life for us is to experience. you cannot just experience a one sided world..you must know the darker side too. if it is gods will for us to experience then our characteristics within our dna which is our program for our life determines our path... but it is just a guide.. some people murder and kill some rape ..some let people dominate them..sick and horrible things happen to people...but on the other hand wonderful things happen to people..love, family, etc.. it is all part of our spiritual evolution.





of course it is as are all religions..you see god did not physically write them. a man has spoken saying that god has told him these words. that is where the suspicions arise. That leap of faith that someone is not bullshitting you.
just because many people bought into a story doesn't make it any truer.






well Allah does share pagan origins with the moon god from Muhammads tribe.



but only because a book told you so



Sure i can, Muhammad grew up in a tribe that worshiped the moon god. it was old Arabic in origin and many including myself see the crescent moon and star that symbolizes ISLAM as a symbol of the moon god.

well Allah does share pagan origins with the moon god from Muhammads tribe.

Jesus himself called God Allah even christian scholars admits that, does he also share pagan origin

Jesus called god "Allah" - YouTube

Jesus called god "Allah" - YouTube

jesus lived 600 years before muhammed

Sure i can, Muhammad grew up in a tribe that worshiped the moon god. it was old Arabic in origin and many including myself see the crescent moon and star that symbolizes ISLAM as a symbol of the moon god

no no no ,


the crescent moon symbolize starting of the month ramadan, muslim holiest month, we fast during that month, not moon God, that is you stupidiity....



The Beginning of Ramadan

Hilāl (the crescent) is typically a day (or more) after the astronomical new moon. Since the new moon indicates the beginning of the new month, Muslims can usually safely estimate the beginning of Ramadan.[5]

Ramadan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ramadan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ramadan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

these verse proves that Allah is not moon God

Allah says:

And the night, and the day, and the sun, and the moon are among His signs; do not prostrate for the sun or the moon, but prostrate for Allah Who has created them, if you are His bondmen. (Qur'an 41:37).

They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage (Qur'an 2:189).

If Allah says, i created sun and moon, dont worship them, worship me, how can he be moon God???

and if you refers to cresent moon wich we muslims use as period of starting muslim holy month as Allah says above

These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind

i can prove easy that you dont no anything about islam...

[adam 7]

Hi ciko, are you from the uk? What do you think of the islam channel or peace tv?

[ciko]

Originally Posted by adam 7

Hi ciko, are you from the uk? What do you think of the islam channel or peace tv?

no i am in sweden, i dont watch those channels, i do not have those in my home.

[pertinax]

http://svtplay.se/v/2802674/uppdrag_...p103536,1,f,-1

Advice at mosques defies Swedish laws

Using a hidden camera and secret phone recording, two women talked to ten of Sweden’s largest mosques to get advice concerning polygamy, physical abuse and sex without consent. At several of the mosques they received advice that goes against Swedish law.

The programme will be aired in SVT’s programme series Uppdrag Granskning tonight.

The women received advice from imams or family advisors. They asked what they should do if their husband was to marry another woman. Nine out of ten advisors at the mosques said that men have the right to marry several women. Only one said that this is forbidden according to Swedish law. At six out of ten mosques the women were told to never say no to sex with their husband. Six of the mosques also advised against contacting the police after physical abuse. They said problems should be solved within the family, reports Göteborgs-Posten.

http://www.goteborgdaily.se/news/adv...s-swedish-laws

[adam 7]

Originally Posted by ciko

no i am in sweden, i dont watch those channels, i do not have those in my home.

That suprises me. Your English is very good.

What is you opinion of the non-religious Swedish people?

[ciko]

Originally Posted by adam 7

That suprises me. Your English is very good.

What is you opinion of the non-religious Swedish people?

What is you opinion of the non-religious Swedish people

really nice people

[ciko]

Originally Posted by pertinax

http://svtplay.se/v/2802674/uppdrag_...p103536,1,f,-1

Advice at mosques defies Swedish laws

Using a hidden camera and secret phone recording, two women talked to ten of Sweden’s largest mosques to get advice concerning polygamy, physical abuse and sex without consent. At several of the mosques they received advice that goes against Swedish law.

The programme will be aired in SVT’s programme series Uppdrag Granskning tonight.

The women received advice from imams or family advisors. They asked what they should do if their husband was to marry another woman. Nine out of ten advisors at the mosques said that men have the right to marry several women. Only one said that this is forbidden according to Swedish law. At six out of ten mosques the women were told to never say no to sex with their husband. Six of the mosques also advised against contacting the police after physical abuse. They said problems should be solved within the family, reports Göteborgs-Posten.

http://www.goteborgdaily.se/news/adv...s-swedish-laws

islam does not share same view as those imams

Islam says that man shall be good to his wife, and if some muslims bastard hits his wife , it is this muslim fault, not islam.

[ultimate_warlord]

YAWN...ANOTHER DAY OF THIS BULLSHIT AND TWISTING OF TRUTH, but here goes...RIGHT OUT OF THE HORSES MOUTH:-

Imam explains why it's "ok" to beat a women. - YouTube

Imam explains why it's "ok" to beat a women. - YouTube

How to beat your wife - YouTube

How to beat your wife - YouTube

[ciko]

Wife beating is not allowed in Islam!

Wife beating anytime and for any reason is never allowed in Islam. There is however a questionable condition where Allah Almighty seems to allow the husband to beat his wife, and that is after he gives her two warnings to stop showing ill-conduct and disloyalty.

Before we start, I'd like to first say that because Arabic is a complex language, and because Allah Almighty purposely and carefully chose certain words to be placed in certain Noble Verses, I strongly believe that Allah Almighty allowed for the interpretation of NOT beating wives to be valid. In other words, a Muslim man would not be going against Allah Almighty's Divine Will if he doesn't beat his wife, and instead, deserts her by leaving the house and living for instance with his parents for a period of time until the disobedient wife comes back to her senses, which would be as equivalent as the first interpretation, since the end result is the same, which is to discipline the bad wife and to get her back on the Right Path of what makes GOD Almighty satisfied with her.

Let us look at Noble Verses 4:34-36 "(34). Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

(35). If ye fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family, and the other from hers; if they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation: For Allah hath full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things.

(36). Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;"

The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The thing with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.

Allah Almighty used the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example".

Allah Almighty also used the word "darabtum", which is derived from the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:94, which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah Almighty:

"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:94)"

So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example.

Important Note: Notice how Allah Almighty in Noble Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba (4:34" and "darabtum (4:94)", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells me that "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:34 means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Noble Verse 4:94. The next section below will further prove my point.

I am sure there are more Noble Verses that used words derived from "daraba" in the Noble Quran, but these are the only ones I know of so far. In the case of Noble Verse 4:34 where Allah Almighty seems to allow men to hit their wives after the two warnings for ill-conduct and disloyalty, it could very well be that Allah Almighty meant to command the Muslims to "leave" the home all together and desert their wives for a long time in a hope that the wives would then come back to their senses and repent.


2- Noble Verses and Sayings that support the prohibition of any type of wife beating:

The following Noble Verses and Sayings from the Noble Quran and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him respectively seem to very well support the above interpretation:

"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...(The Noble Quran, 2:231)"

"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468)"

"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"

"And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran 30:21)"

"Women impure for men impure. And women of purity for men of purity. These are not affected by what people say. For them is forgiveness and an honorable provision. (The Noble Quran 24:26)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 135)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "A man said to the Prophet , 'Advise me! 'The Prophet said, 'Do not become angry and furious.' The man asked (the same) again and again, and the Prophet said in each case, 'Do not become angry and furious.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 137)"

Abu Huraira reported: "I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: One is not strong because of one's wrestling skillfully. They said: Allah's Messenger, then who is strong? He said: He who controls his anger when he is in a fit of rage. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Virtue, Good Manners and Joining of the Ties of Relationship (Kitab Al-Birr was-Salat-I-wa'l-Adab), Book 032, Number 6314)"

Allah Almighty loves those who restrain anger: "Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good. (The Noble Quran, 3:134)"

[adam 7]

ciko, you seem to be well versed in muslim apologetics. Have you been a muslim from childhood, or are you a convert?

[selig]

Muhammed beat his favourite wife.

Sahih Muslim Book 04. Prayer
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Chapter : What is to be said while visiting the graveyard and the supplication to be offered for the dead lying in the graves.

Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a Hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'Aisha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahi...mber-2127.html

[selig]

Originally Posted by adam 7

ciko, you seem to be well versed in muslim apologetics. Have you been a muslim from childhood, or are you a convert?

He's not well versed, he copy and pastes everything from the internet...

Wife beating anytime and for any reason is never allowed in Islam. There is however a questionable condition where Allah Almighty seems to allow the h - Google Search

Wife beating anytime and for any reason is never allowed in Islam. There is however a questionable condition where Allah Almighty seems to allow the h - Google Search