Why Islam Is Only True Religion From God

[markdiegutis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

no, i am correcting your erroneous claims about grammar.
guess again, hater.....i'm almost 60.

hater of what?? if you are 60 you should know better than to attack people for no reason.. I think you did it because you wanted to be centre of attention...so shhhhh little boy i won't entertain your sick lust for fighting.

byeee byeee now..

ta ta !!

lol

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

hater of what?? if you are 60 you should know better than to attack people for no reason.. I think you did it because you wanted to be centre of attention...so shhhhh little boy i won't entertain your sick lust for fighting.

byeee byeee now..

ta ta !!

lol

i love irony.
i am merely showing how your claim that islam is a verb, is incorrect.
consider it an impromptu grammar lesson.

now...carry on spewing your filth and hatred, and leave grammar to those who know.

[markdiegutis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

i love irony.
i am merely showing how your claim that islam is a verb, is incorrect.
consider it an impromptu grammar lesson.

now...carry on spewing your filth and hatred, and leave grammar to those who know.

what filth and hatred??? you don't even know me ..unless you are NOOBCYBOT...that must be it

[markdiegutis]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

what filth and hatred??? you don't even know me ..unless you are NOOBCYBOT...that must be it

well i am waiting for your answer... what filth and hatred old man?

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

well i am waiting for your answer... what filth and hatred old man?

your hatred for muslims.
simple.
don't understand?
..... go back and read your posts.

i'm done with you, except on terms of grammar.

islam is not a verb, in english, or arabic.

[markdiegutis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

your hatred for muslims.
simple.
don't understand?
..... go back and read your posts.

i'm done with you, except on terms of grammar.

islam is not a verb, in english, or arabic.

it is when it has no religious attachment to it. it means to surrender or submit.

I do not hate muslims.... I hate ISLAM..

big difference..I hate the religion.. not the people.

maybe you need more schooling.

i'm done with you, except on terms of grammar.

LOL.. that means nothing to me ..empty words from an empty person...shhhhhhh go fight someone else

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

it is when it has no religious attachment to it. it means to surrender or submit.

no it does not.
a noun is a noun is a noun.
'islam' is derived from a verb.
but, it is a noun.

basic grammar:
a noun is a word that names a person, place or thing.
islam is a religion...a thing.
therefore, islam is a noun.



(i was a high school english teacher for thirty years.)

[markdiegutis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

no it does not.
a noun is a noun is a noun.
'islam' is derived from a verb.
but, it is a noun.

basic grammar:
a noun is a word that names a person, place or thing.
islam is a religion...a thing.
therefore, islam is a noun.


(i was a high school english teacher for thirty years.)

you are wrong.. and obviously a bad teacher.

surrender is not a name
submit is not a name.
these are the basic meanings in arabic of the word islam. (without any religious attachment)

ISLAM was made a name when it was made a religion..that is where you are confused here. but the original meaning of the word is a verb.

sorry

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

you are wrong.. and obviously a bad teacher.

surrender is not a name
submit is not a name.
these are the basic meanings in arabic of the word islam. (without any religious attachment)

ISLAM was made a name when it was made a religion..that is where you are confused here. but the original meaning of the word is a verb.

sorry

feel free to continue to wallow in your ignorance.
i pity you.

[markdiegutis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

feel free to continue to wallow in your ignorance.
i pity you.

prove that the words surrender and submit are nouns

you cannot

[markdiegutis]

sur·ren·der   [suh-ren-der]
verb
1.
to yield (something) to the possession or power of another; deliver up possession of on demand or under duress: to surrender the fort to the enemy; to surrender the stolen goods to the police.
2.
to give (oneself) up, as to the police.
3.
to give (oneself) up to some influence, course, emotion, etc.: He surrendered himself to a life of hardship.
4.
to give up, abandon, or relinquish (comfort, hope, etc.).
5.
to yield or resign (an office, privilege, etc.) in favor of another.
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sub·mit   [suhb-mit] sub·mit·ted, sub·mit·ting.
verb
1.
to give over or yield to the power or authority of another (often used reflexively).
2.
to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3.
to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others: to submit a plan; to submit an application.
4.
to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usually followed by a clause): I submit that full proof should be required.
verb (used without object)
5.
to yield oneself to the power or authority of another: to submit to a conqueror.
6.
to allow oneself to be subjected to some kind of treatment: to submit to chemotherapy.
7.
to defer to another's judgment, opinion, decision, etc.: I submit to your superior judgment.


some teacher you are.

[markdiegutis]

Islam = (arabic).. اسلام = Submission, Surrender

[arcyclus]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

great another troll

Yep....no major revelation there.

[arcyclus]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

Islam = (arabic).. اسلام = Submission, Surrender

It's OK markdiegutis, don't waste your time. I understand it, so does everyone else, except bikerdruid.

[merlincove]

Moderator Mote.

Ok, lets have less of the schooling and name calling and back bitting eh? The forum is for discussion, not oneupmanship and ego spats.

Calm down, take a breath, and discuss the topic at hand - without insult and degradation of another for ones own benefit.

[markdiegutis]

lets get back on topic i will repeat my previous on topic posts to Ciko.

if Muslim is the Arabic word for (in a religious context) "one who submits to god" then everyone in the world who follows god is technically a Muslim already. Your quran says that you are not allowed to argue with other Muslims...so why are you?
You yourself said that the god of the bible is the same god. So you must accept Christians and Jews as fellow Muslims. You must accept Hindus and Sikhs as fellow Muslims.. for that is what they are...

ISLAM is a VERB (not a NOUN) that means (in a religious context): SURRENDER your will to god “Allah”; OBEY his commandments; be in total SUBMISSION to what he wants you to do all the time.

ISLAM = SURRENDER, SUBMIT

Just because Muslim means one who submits to God does not mean they worship the Allah of the Islamic religion.

by this logic I am (as a non-believer in religion but someone who believes in god) a Muslim because I follow the way of god un-encumbered by religion. [joke]in fact because of this purity i must be a better Muslim than you are. and my Islam must be purer than yours.[/joke]

You cannot go around saying everything is Islam (SEE MY POINT???) just because that is what the WORD means.
You cannot say everyone was Muslim before the religion ISLAM even existed ...just because the word Muslim means one who submits to god.... (UNDERSTAND YET?)

THIS LOGIC YOU USE is why people hate ISLAM.
because of how arrogantly you claim everything is part of your man made religion.

JUST BECAUSE THE ARABIC WORDS MEAN WHAT THEY MEAN DOES NOT MEAN THEY FOLLOW ALLAH THE MOON GOD OF SOME PAGAN CULT.

is this sinking into that head of yours. you should be ashamed for how your portray ISLAM (the religion) and how much hate you have brought to it.
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[chip1]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

well, at least you are not a grammar nazi.
FAIL.

go back to grammar school.

Islam is a verb and a noun at the same time.

The first meaning of "Islam" is the verb from the root "aslama" (a verb), meaning to: "surrender; submit; obey; sincerity and in peace."

The second meaning of "Islam" is the noun form from the same root, and it describes the last and final form of the way of life as perscribed by the Creator for His Creation. This is the name used in Quran for Muslims to call themselves as followers of "Islam". This would make them "Islam-ers" in English, but of course in Arabic the prefix "mu" is added to denote the one preforming the action or verb and instead it becomes "mu"-"islam" or "Muslim."

"Islam" can be understood in a very general sense to be the true religion of God, as it is from Him and according to His commandments without adding to or taking away from the basic precepts.


THE WORD ISLAM AND IT"S TRUE MEANING GIVEN BY THE CREATOR...

I SES LOVE ALL MEN

IT IS YOU MY FRIEND THAT HAS NOT A CLUE...

That makes it a noun and the only way one can walk in paradise...

Peace...



And by the way Muslim the meaning of MUSLIM... My Kingdoms Love Is Mandatory... And All Have This Ability To Walk In Paradise...

[ciko]

Originally Posted by markdiegutis

lets get back on topic i will repeat my previous on topic posts to Ciko.

if Muslim is the Arabic word for (in a religious context) "one who submits to god" then everyone in the world who follows god is technically a Muslim already. Your quran says that you are not allowed to argue with other Muslims...so why are you?
You yourself said that the god of the bible is the same god. So you must accept Christians and Jews as fellow Muslims. You must accept Hindus and Sikhs as fellow Muslims.. for that is what they are...

ISLAM is a VERB (not a NOUN) that means (in a religious context): SURRENDER your will to god “Allah”; OBEY his commandments; be in total SUBMISSION to what he wants you to do all the time.

ISLAM = SURRENDER, SUBMIT

Just because Muslim means one who submits to God does not mean they worship the Allah of the Islamic religion.

by this logic I am (as a non-believer in religion but someone who believes in god) a Muslim because I follow the way of god un-encumbered by religion. [joke]in fact because of this purity i must be a better Muslim than you are. and my Islam must be purer than yours.[/joke]

You cannot go around saying everything is Islam (SEE MY POINT???) just because that is what the WORD means.
You cannot say everyone was Muslim before the religion ISLAM even existed ...just because the word Muslim means one who submits to god.... (UNDERSTAND YET?)

THIS LOGIC YOU USE is why people hate ISLAM.
because of how arrogantly you claim everything is part of your man made religion.

JUST BECAUSE THE ARABIC WORDS MEAN WHAT THEY MEAN DOES NOT MEAN THEY FOLLOW ALLAH THE MOON GOD OF SOME PAGAN CULT.

is this sinking into that head of yours. you should be ashamed for how your portray ISLAM (the religion) and how much hate you have brought to it.
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if Muslim is the Arabic word for (in a religious context) "one who submits to god" then everyone in the world who follows god is technically a Muslim already.

yes

Jesus said the word "Muslim" in Luke 6:40, and told others to be a Muslim:


Aramaic translated into Hebrew: "Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo."

Translation in English: "No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."

Your quran says that you are not allowed to argue with other Muslims...so why are you?

who told you that? not true

You yourself said that the god of the bible is the same god. So you must accept Christians and Jews as fellow Muslims

.

no, beacuse christians and jews distorted the true teaching of GOd, from orginal holy scriptures, that is why they dont submit to God.

How can christians submit to GOd, when they believe in 2 or 3 gods,

God the Father(wich is in heaven), God the son (Jesus)

and jesus said, GOd is only ONE.

You must accept Hindus and Sikhs as fellow Muslims.. for that is what they are

no they are not, a muslim can not be who believe in sevaral GOds

true christians , who followed jesus as Mesias and prophet, and not as God or son of God, are christian muslims, and they are our brothers, even if they called themsleves christians they are our brother and we are on same relgion.

Just because Muslim means one who submits to God does not mean they worship the Allah of the Islamic religion.

even christians and jews call GOd Allah, even tought they are not muslims

Allah, God of Jesus, Muhammed, Christians, Jews, Muslims and all worlds - YouTube

Allah, God of Jesus, Muhammed, Christians, Jews, Muslims and all worlds - YouTube

THIS LOGIC YOU USE is why people hate ISLAM.
because of how arrogantly you claim everything is part of your man made religion.

according to you God does not hate anyone

But that is not logical, if God does not hate evil people and thei evil deeds, then i dont know what kind of God is that.

islam is not man made, it is just your delusion who make you think like that.

If it was man made relgion, why did muslims get killed beacuse of islam, for what purpose did they created it???

JUST BECAUSE THE ARABIC WORDS MEAN WHAT THEY MEAN DOES NOT MEAN THEY FOLLOW ALLAH THE MOON GOD OF SOME PAGAN CULT.

moon god , hahhahahahhahahhaha

we muslims dont believe in any moon GOd, but we believe in Allah, Lord of the universe

can you explain to people, what it mean moon God, beacuse i dont understand what it mean, why MOON???

[ciko]

beautiful recitation of orginal quran in arabic

amazing quran recitation, really beautiful - YouTube

amazing quran recitation, really beautiful - YouTube

[markdiegutis]

Originally Posted by ciko

yes

Jesus said the word "Muslim" in Luke 6:40, and told others to be a Muslim:


Aramaic translated into Hebrew: "Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo."

Translation in English: "No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."

you do realise I am talking about a muslim as in someone that follows god..not someone that follows the religion of ISLAM. its just a play on words because those words happen to mean someone that submits to gods will.

that can mean christian jew hindu sikh too.

If you look at the hindu religion. you will see that the different gods you speak of are actually aspects of the ONE god the creator Brahma. true it gets confusing because they depict each aspect of the one god with a different idol.
Some hindus actually do think that they are worshipping many gods..but the original teachings show just the one god ..the creator.

Shiva and Vishnu are regarded as Mahādevas ("great gods" ) due to their central positions in worship and scriptures.[5] These two along with Brahma are considered the Trimurti—the three aspects of the universal supreme God. These three aspects symbolize the entire circle of samsara in Hinduism: Brahma as creator, Vishnu as preserver or protector, and Shiva as destroyer or judge.

Hindu deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hindu deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hindu deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the Sikhs also believe this too. one god with many aspects.

now by aspect I mean birth,death, love etc etc.. hindus believe in 330 gods or as some translate 330 million gods.. which to me would say that they believe an aspect of the one god is within each follower. making them an aspect of god. That I cannot back up with evidence because its just my opinion.

over the last week or so i have been reading up on Hindus and Sikhs...and I found that the Sikhs are said to be the sword arm of the Hindu religion to strike at muslim attackers. although many Sikhs believe that they were never part of the hindu religion and do not see themselves as hindu.

who told you that? not true

well you did many pages ago.
.

no, beacuse christians and jews distorted the true teaching of GOd, from orginal holy scriptures, that is why they dont submit to God.

but they can say the same for you. whats holy about the quran...like the other books it was written by the hand of man. it does not make it holy at all in my opinion. and it makes all these holy books suspicious as far as sources of the truth are concerned.

How can christians submit to GOd, when they believe in 2 or 3 gods,

God the Father(wich is in heaven), God the son (Jesus)

and jesus said, GOd is only ONE.

technically they are aspects of one god...but this idea was nothing to do with any of the teachings of jesus that i ever read..and as an outsider looking in i see more mistakes in the bible than most holy books...but you see over the years it was changed many times... books of the bible were removed ..huge changes occured in the bad translation from hebrew and aramaic to latin to eventually english. Yes I agree with you that it is full of holes. but those holes can be found in other places if you broaden your search to other religions.

for example what is said in the quran about the giants known as nephilim with 6 fingers and 6 toes on each hand and foot ..many were canaanites.
I would be interested if they are mentioned and I would be interested in what was said about them. The book of Enoch is very revealing..as are the the babylonian clay tablets.

no they are not, a muslim can not be who believe in sevaral GOds

they can if it is aspects of a god...some can worship the love of allah... some like extremists follow the hate and war aspects of allah.

yes they could be called gods ..or aspects of one god.
either way i don't think it right to believe in a creator and only worship him for his love when he has power to hate and destroy and hurt too and these aspects are shown through his extremist followers.
I understand you see Allah as love and peace..but they (also Muslims) see Allah as vengeance hate and war and go to war with Allah leading them. because those are the aspects of Allah they choose to follow.

I hope this is coming across clear because I think this will explain why you see Islam as Peace and love and west see it as war and hate. Its because those aspects of Islam are all we are being shown now. we are not being shown the love of Allah or the peace of Allah. we are seeing hate and war.

true christians , who followed jesus as Mesias and prophet, and not as God or son of God, are christian muslims, and they are our brothers, even if they called themsleves christians they are our brother and we are on same relgion.

technically christian and Islam religions didn't exist. they only were Muslims because that was the only word to describe them in Arabic. "one who surrenders to the will of god"

even christians and jews call GOd Allah, even tought they are not muslims

but that is because the arabic word for god is allah ...Al-ilah

according to you God does not hate anyone

But that is not logical, if God does not hate evil people and thei evil deeds, then i dont know what kind of God is that.

the true meaning of life for us is to experience. you cannot just experience a one sided world..you must know the darker side too. if it is gods will for us to experience then our characteristics within our dna which is our program for our life determines our path... but it is just a guide.. some people murder and kill some rape ..some let people dominate them..sick and horrible things happen to people...but on the other hand wonderful things happen to people..love, family, etc.. it is all part of our spiritual evolution.

islam is not man made, it is just your delusion who make you think like that.If it was man made relgion, why did muslims get killed beacuse of islam, for what purpose did they created it???

of course it is as are all religions..you see god did not physically write them. a man has spoken saying that god has told him these words. that is where the suspicions arise. That leap of faith that someone is not bullshitting you.
just because many people bought into a story doesn't make it any truer.

moon god , hahhahahahhahahhaha

well Allah does share pagan origins with the moon god from Muhammads tribe.

we muslims dont believe in any moon GOd, but we believe in Allah, Lord of the universe

but only because a book told you so

can you explain to people, what it mean moon God, beacuse i dont understand what it mean, why MOON???

Sure i can, Muhammad grew up in a tribe that worshiped the moon god. it was old Arabic in origin and many including myself see the crescent moon and star that symbolizes ISLAM as a symbol of the moon god.