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 Islam Respects Women as Equals The Myth: The Quran places men and women on equal foundation before Allah. Each person is judged according to his or her own deeds. Women have equal rights under Islamic law. The Truth: Merely stating that individuals will be judged as such by Allah does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards. There is no ambiguity in the Quran, the life of Muhammad, or Islamic law as to the inferiority of women to men despite the efforts of modern-day apologists to salvage Western-style feminism from scraps and fragments of verses that have historically held no such progressive interpretation. After military conquests, Muhammad would dole out captured women as war prizes to his men. In at least one case, he advocated that they be raped in front of their husbands. Captured women were made into sex slaves by the very men who killed their husbands and brothers. There are four Quranic verses in which "Allah" makes clear that a Muslim master has full sexual access to his female slaves, yet there is not one that prohibits rape. The Quran gives Muslim men permission to beat their wives for disobedience, but nowhere does it command love in marriage. It plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives. The Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants. Under Islamic law, a man may divorce his wife at his choosing. If he does this twice, then wishes to remarry her, she must first have sex with another man. Men are exempt from such degradations. Muslim women are not free to marry whom they please, as are Muslim men. Their husband may also bring other wives (and slaves) into the marriage bed. And she must be sexually available to him at any time (as a field ready to be “tilled,” according to the holy book of Islam). Muslim women do not inherit property in equal portion to males. This is somewhat ironic given that Islam owes its existence to the wealth of Muhammad's first wife, which would not otherwise have been inherited by her given that she had two brothers and her first husband had three sons. A woman's testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s, according to the Quran. Unlike a man, she must also cover her head - and often her face. If a woman wants to prove that she was raped, then there must be four male witnesses to corroborate her account. Otherwise she can be jailed or stoned to death for confessing to “adultery.” Given all of this, it is quite a stretch to say that men and women have “equality under Islam” based on obscure theological analogies or comparisons. This is an entirely new ploy that is designed for modern tastes and disagrees sharply with the reality of Islamic law and history. ---------------------------------------------- Islam is Tolerant of Other Religions  The Myth: Religious minorities have flourished under Islam. Muslims are commanded to protect Jews and Christians (the People of the Book) and do them no harm. The Quran says in Sura 109, "To you, your religion. To me, mine." The Truth: Religious minorities have not “flourished” under Islam. In fact, they have dwindled to mere shadows after centuries of persecution and discrimination. Some were converted from their native religion by brute force, others under the agonizing strain of dhimmitude. What Muslims call “tolerance,” others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission. Historically, dhimmis have often had to wear distinguishing clothing or cut their hair in a particular manner that indicates their position of inferiority and humiliation. They do not share the same legal rights as Muslims, and must even pay a poll tax (the jizya). They are to be killed or have their children taken from them if they cannot satisfy the tax collector’s requirements. For hundreds of years, the Christian population in occupied Europe had their sons taken away and forcibly converted into Muslim warriors (known as Jannisaries) by the Ottoman Turks. It is under this burden of discrimination and third-class status that so many religious minorities converted to Islam over the centuries. Those who didn’t often faced economic and social hardships that persist to this day and are appalling by Western standards of true religious tolerance and pluralism. For those who are not “the People of the Book,” such as Hindus and atheists, there is very little tolerance to be found once Islam establishes political superiority. The Quran tells Muslims to “fight in the way of Allah” until “religion is only for Allah.” The conquered populations face death if they do not establish regular prayer and charity in the Islamic tradition (ie. the pillars of Islam). Tamerlane and other Muslim warriors slaughtered tens of millions of Hindus and Buddhists, and displaced or forcibly converted millions more over the last thousand years. Islamists in Somalia behead Christians. In Iran, they are jailed. One of the great ironies of Islam is that non-Muslims are to be treated according to the very standards by which Muslims themselves would claim the right to violent self-defense were the shoe on the other foot. Islam is its own justification. Most Muslims therefore feel no need to explain the ingrained arrogance and double standard. There are about 500 verses in the Quran that speak of Allah’s hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. There is also a tiny handful that say otherwise, but these are mostly earlier verses that many scholars consider to be abrogated by the later, more violent ones. As for Sura 109, any true Quran scholar will point out that the purpose of the verse was to distinguish Islam from the gods of the Quraysh (one of which was named "Allah") rather than to advocate religious tolerance for non-Muslims. At the time that he narrated this very early verse, Muhammad did not have any power, and thus no choice but to be "tolerant" of others. By contrast, there was no true tolerance shown when he returned to Mecca with power many years later and demanded the eviction or death of anyone who would not convert to Islam. In fact, he physically destroyed the cherished idols of the people to whom he had previously addressed in Sura 109. If tolerance simply means discouraging the mass slaughter of those of a different faith, then today's Islam generally meets this standard more often than not. But, if tolerance means allowing people of other faiths the same religious liberties that Muslims enjoy, then Islam is fundamentally the most intolerant religion under the sun. |
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13-05-2012, 08:03 PM
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13-05-2012, 08:05 PM
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how shall i discuss with people who like propaganda and lies against islam, people who post photos of a Hindu Sikh portraying to be Muhammed, i just dont have words for that 
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13-05-2012, 08:07 PM
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show that photo to any muslim in the world, and ask him who is that, he would not know that. Last edited by ciko; 13-05-2012 at 08:08 PM. |
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13-05-2012, 08:08 PM
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You seriously think a religion whos followers kill each other en masse daily and have been doing so for the past 1500 years stand in the way of the Capitalists ? Muslims are what's known as 'useful idiots', you see the 'useful idiots' in the backwards hellhole Muslim countries being armed by the Capitalists to oust people like Colnel Gaddaffi for the Capitalists to assume control. I mean it makes perfect sense, why waste the lives of Western soldiers when you can arm the Muslims to kill each other ? And these lot are standing in the way ? Behave. |
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13-05-2012, 08:08 PM
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Myths of Islam
Islam is a Religion of Peace  The Myth: Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense - and when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively. The Truth: Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not part of his growing empire. After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way. Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim. Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together through blood and violence. The prophet of Islam's most faithful followers and even his own family soon turned on each other as well. There were four caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years, each of which was a trusted companion of his. Three of these four were murdered. The third caliph was murdered by those allied with the son of the first caliph. The fourth caliph was murdered in the midst of a conflict with the fifth caliph, who began a 100-year dynasty of excess and debauchery that was brought to an end in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle (who was not even a Muslim). Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad. Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated by Muslim rivals. Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis. His people became Shias. The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded. Muslim apologists, who like to say that is impossible for today's terrorists to be Muslim when they kill fellow Muslims, would have a very tough time explaining the war between Fatima's followers and Aisha to a knowledgeable audience. Muhammad explicitly held up both his favorite daughter and his favorite wife as model Muslim women, yet they were invoked respectively by each side in the violent civil war that followed his death. Which one was the prophet of God so horribly wrong about? Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus). For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword. Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists. By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Syria to Spain, and across North Africa. Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans. The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory). To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized for the victims of Jihad and slavery. There is not another religion in the world that consistently produces terrorism in the name of God as does Islam. The most dangerous Muslims are nearly always those who interpret the Quran most transparently. They are the fundamentalists or purists of the faith, and believe in Muhammad’s mandate to spread Islamic rule by the sword, putting to death those who will not submit. In the absence of true infidels, they will even turn on each other. The holy texts of Islam are saturated with verses of violence and hatred toward those outside the faith, as well as the "hypocrites" (Muslims who don't act like Muslims). In sharp contrast to the Bible, which generally moves from relatively violent episodes to far more peaceful mandates, the Quran travels the exact opposite path (violence is first forbidden, then permitted, then mandatory). The handful of earlier verses that speak of tolerance are overwhelmed by an avalanche of later ones that carry a much different message. While Old Testament verses of blood and guts are generally bound by historical context within the text itself, Quranic imperatives to violence usually appear open-ended and subject to personal interpretation. From the history of the faith to its most sacred writings, those who want to believe in "peaceful Islam" have a lot more to ignore than do the terrorists. By any objective measure, the "Religion of Peace" has been the harshest, bloodiest religion the world has ever known. In Islam there is no peace unless Muslims have power - and even then... |
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13-05-2012, 08:14 PM
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13-05-2012, 08:18 PM
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13-05-2012, 08:23 PM
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Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace #1 18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so). #2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. #3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that. Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad. #4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other. Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph. Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death. Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph. The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war... And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam! #5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia. #6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah. None of these other religions are at war with each other. #7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad. #8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. #9 The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. #10 "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" (The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93) |
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I didn't post any pictures of Muhammad except cartoon ones that were meant to be a joke..but that was a long time ago in this thread. I am not against you Ciko, i am against what Islam stands for. I don't see any freedom for a person in any religion. it just doesn't fit with my beliefs as a human. its not just Islam. I am just the same when it comes to scientology or other religions based on control.
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As long as people fight against islam, God does not allow them to understand quran God says: 6:25. And of them there are some who listen to you; but We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it(Quran) not, and deafness in their ears; if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old." 26. And they prevent others from him (from following Prophet Muhammad ) and they themselves keep away from him, and (by doing so) they destroy not but their ownselves, yet they perceive (it) not. 27. If you could but see when they will be held over the (Hell) Fire! They will say: "Would that we were but sent back (to the world)! Then we would not deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of our Lord, and we would be of the believers!" 28. Nay, it has become manifest to them what they had been concealing before. But if they were returned (to the world), they would certainly revert to that which they were forbidden. And indeed they are liars. 29. And they said: "There is no (other life) but our (present) life of this world, and never shall we be resurrected (on the Day of Resurrection)." 30. If you could but see when they will be held (brought and made to stand) in front of their Lord! He will say: "Is not this (Resurrection and the taking of the accounts) the truth?" They will say: "Yes, by our Lord!" He will then say: "So taste you the torment because you used not to believe." |
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I say all religions are wrong and only god is right. the difference is the filter called MAN.. religion is written by man. not god.
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'who is Mustafa Mlivo'? What qualifications does Mustafa Mlivo have to explain koran? CAN MR Mustafa Mlivo EVEN SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF THE KORAN? What qualifications does Mustafa Mlivo have that give him the authority to explain koran to not only natural arabic speakers and the MANY OTHER KORAN TRANSLATIONS out here, but also what gives him the authority to explain koran to THE CLASSICAL ISLAMIC KORAN EXPERTS? Mustafa Mlivo knows better than ibn kathir, al jalalayn, ibn abbas and the many qualified islamic scholars whom Mustafa Mlivo is contradicting? To which you responded with this response: Quote:
what kind of a response is that? Is that even a response? Mustapha milvo is making accusations against countless scholars and Koran translation and translators, he is accusing them of not understanding basic Arabic, even if it is their mother tongue. The question to you was/is WHAT MAKES MILVO QUALIFIED TO DISMISS ALL THE SCHOLARS, KORAN TRANSLATORS/TRANSLATIONS, LISAN AL ARAB, ETC..? That’s why I asked WHO IS MUSTAPHA MILVO? Your response proves that you don’t know of the dude, nor do you know his Islamic qualifications. I know people who have translated the Koran and actually sell their translations, my point being that anyone can translate Koran into English, BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS THE PROVEN AUTHORITIVE KNOWLEDGE TO ABROGATE THE SCHOLARS AND LISAN AL ARAB. What’s to stop another muslim in the future making NEW claims AFTER NEW SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE has come to light that cancel out milvo’s claims? What’s to stop that from happening? Answer = NOTHING! Because the language of the arabs has been made worthless by modern day Islamic dawahist deceivers. The Koran claims itself to be a clear book and fully detailed, yet you are telling us that all the great Islamic scholars and Tafsir EXPERTS were wrong and that islam has been a shambles for 1400 years promoting false knowledge while at the same time claiming Koran to be divine. How divine could it be if the people it was sent to couldn’t even understand it? But for the record, to say they arabs didn’t understand Koran is not only an insult to them, but its also in contradiction to the Koran. Quote:
IF ARABS DON’T UNDERSTAND A BOOK WRITTEN IN ARABIC HOW ON EARTH IS IT LOGICAL THAT NON ARABS WOULD UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN THE ARABS AND BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNEW MUHUMMAD? Sura 43:3 Indeed, We have made it an ARABIC Qur'an that you might understand. So there you go, the Koran itself has spoken, it claims itself to be in CLEAR ARABIC SO THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND IT. You are saying that the Koran couldn’t possibly be clear Arabic because arabs couldn't understand basic Arabic words like tariq and their meanings. ALSO, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT MILVO HAS SUCH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ARABIC THAN 99.9.9.9.9% OF ISLAMIC SCHOLARS AND KORAN TRANSLATORS/TRANSLATIONS, THEN YOU SHOULD ONLY BE READING MILVO’S KORAN AND NON OTHER, BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU READ OTHER KORAN TRANSLATIONS WHEN ACCORDING TO YOU MILVO KNOWS BETTER THAN THEY DO. I have also made It CHRYSTAL CLEAR from the TINY quote you gave THAT MR MILVO IS A TYPICAL MUSLIM LIAR. You never even responded to that reality that I pointed out, did you? YOU KNOW WHY YOU NEVER RESPONDED. Here it is again: Your image quote: http://1.2.3.11/bmi/oi46.tinypic.com/2jg9y4i.jpg MY RESPONSE PROVING THAT MILVO IS AN IGNORANT DUMMIE, A TYPICAL MUSLIM LIAR AND DECEIVER WHICH YOU IGNORED COMPLETELY: MILOVS OWN QUOTE BELOW: “Yusef ali explains as : the star piercing the brightness UNDERSTOOD BY SOME TO BE THE MORNING STAR, BY OTHERS TO BE THE PLANET SATURN, OR THE PLEIADS OR SHOOTING STARS” “Opinions of jusef ali is quite unacceptable. It cannot be THE MORNING STAR, PLANET SATURN, OR THE PLEIADS OR SHOOTING STARS The above categorically proves that milvo is a twisted individual (like all muslim dawists) because MILOV HIMSELF QUOTES yusef ali CLEARLY saying that these are “THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS” YET MR MILOV ACCUSES YUSEF ALI OF GIVING HIS “PERSONAL OPINIONS” which PROVES that milov is 100% A CHILDISH LIAR AND DECIEVER, like ALL Islamic apologists WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS. So if milov cannot even present correctly QUOTES THAT HE HIMSELF HAS QUOTED, what chance is there in him being honest about anything? Milov translates the Arabic word tariq to mean “knocker”, V 1- By the heavens and The Knocker This in itself is a problem if milov with no authority to do so wants to claim that this means space pulsar. 1) Notice the word “THE” as in THE knocker. THE = the definite article. Was your god allah speaking about one pulsar? Which is “THE KNOCKER” that Koran is referring to? IT CAN ONLY BE ONE. THERE HAS ONLY BEEN “one morning star HISTORICALLY. “Morning stars are not scattered around the universe like pulsars are. 2) allah is swearing by milovs “knocker”, but why would allah swear by something that cannot be perceived by the arabs with muhummad? ALL the things that your god allah swears by are things that can be perceived by humans like allah swearing by the fig, some only in the imaginations of man like ‘angels’, all are things man can comprehended. Did the Arabians know of pulsars ciko? If they didn’t, then why would allah swear by it IN AN ATTEMPT TO CONVEINCE THE ARABS THAT KORAN IS TRUE? You can only swear by a thing if that thing is known AND HAS RECOGNIZED VALUE. To swear by things unknown and not understood by anyone around is ludicrous. CONSIDER the heavens and that which comes in the night! 86.1 Muhummad assad. Notice that the tariq is something that allah is either swearing by or wants people to consider. They can only consider a thing if it is known to them, CORRECT? Milov translates tariq as knocker and claims this knocker to be about space pulsars, YET NO OTHER MUSLIM TRANSLATORS, SCHOLARS OR TAFSIRS EXPERTS SAY THAT IT IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SEEN BY THE ARABS OF MUHUMMADS TIME. ARABS ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE LINGUISTICAL HISTORY OF THE WORD TARIQ, this is why near 30 koran translations say ‘night comer’ and NOT KNOCKER!: TAKE NOTE OF THE AMOUNT OF KORANS YOU CLAIM ARE BAD TRANSLATIONS: SURA 86.1: 1.Muhammad Asad CONSIDER the heavens and that which comes in the night! 2.ShDr. Laleh Bakhtiar By the heaven and the night visitor, 3.Shakir I swear by the heaven and the comer by night; 4.Wahiduddin Khan By the heavens and that which comes in the night 5.T.B.Irving By the sky and the Nightcomer! 6.[Al-Muntakhab] By the heaven and the celestial body which makes a strong impression upon the sense of vision, 7.Abdel Haleem By the sky and the night-comer 8.Abdul Majid Daryabadi By the heaven and the night-comer 9.Daryabadi By the heaven and the night-comer 10.Ahmed Ali And/by the sky/space, and/by the Night Comer/star (Morning Star). 11.Aisha Bewley By Heaven and the Night-Comer! 12.Ali Ünal By the heaven and that which comes at night. 13.Ali Quli Qara'i By the sky, by the nightly visitor, 14.Amatul Rahman Omar I call to witness the heaven and the visitant (in the darkness) of the night. 15.Hamid S. Aziz By the heaven and by the night or (morning) star! 16.Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali And (by) the heaven and the Night Visitant! (Or: "The Morning Star; literally: The Rapper) 17.Muhammad Taqi Usmani I swear by the sky and by the Night-Comer,__ 18.Syed Vickar Ahamed By the sky (the heaven) and by the Visitor by the night, 19.Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) By the sky and the night comer - 20.Farook Malik By the heaven and by the morning star (visitant by night) , 21.By the (endless expanse and infinite space of) heaven and the Nightly (discernable) Visitant. 22.Faridul Haque By oath of the heaven, and by oath of the nightly arriver. 23.Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah By the sky, and by the nightly comer! 24.Maulana Muhammad Ali By the heaven and the Comer by night! 25.Hilali & Khan By the heaven, and At-Tariq (the night-comer, i.e. the bright star); 26.Maududi By the heaven, and the night-visitor, 27.George Sale By the heaven, and that which appeareth by night: 28.John Medows Rodwell BY the heaven, and by the NIGHT-COMER! wal-ṭāriqi and the night comer, http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.j...ter=86&verse=1 The TAFSIRS: And what will tell you what the night-visitor is? (mā’l-tāriq is a subject and predicate, standing as the second object of [the verb] adrā, ‘tell’; and what comes after the first mā, ‘what’, is the predicate thereof [of this first mā]) — this [statement] emphasises the magnificence of the ‘night-visitor’, which is explained in what follows. It is: The piercing, the brilliant, because of its piercing the darkness with its light, star!, meaning [the constellation] Pleiades; or [it refers to] all stars (the response to the oath [follows]): TAFSIR AL JALALAYN http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...0&LanguageId=2 Allah then explained by saying: (The piercing Star!) the bright, piercing star; this refers to the planet Saturn which shines at night and disappears during the day. Ibn abbas. http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...0&LanguageId=2 AS I SHOWED YOU BEFORE, THE STAR IS NAMED TARIQ NOT BECAUSE IT KNOCKS, BUT BECAUSE IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH WHEN A MAN TURNS UP IN THE NIGHT KNOCKING AT A WOMANS DOOR: TAFSIR IBN KATHIR  The star of Ath-Thaqib.) Qatadah and others have said, "The star has been named Tariq because it is only seen at night and it is hidden during the day.'' His view is supported by what has been mentioned in the authentic Hadith that prohibits a man to come to his family Taruq. This means that he comes to them unexpectedly at nighttime. Concerning Allah's statement,http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...201&Itemid=142 LISAN AL ARAB (the tongue of the arab) dictionary: If you enter "طارق (tariq)" into this 100% islamic dictionary http://baheth.info/ you will find the following: Google translated: He is said to have intercourse with the house at night. They said: knock a man, if it is valid even knocking his family at night. * He stated that it is said also during the day, the original night http://baheth.info/ and the Morning Star: Star, said: All Star Tariq because Taluah night; and all that came for the night, that is Tariq; has interpreted fur, he said: Star piercing. man and his ways, an example of connecting, if it is valid even knocking his family at night. came to us and so and so if Trouka came at night. and heaven and the Morning Star; was: is the star, who is called the morning star, http://baheth.info/ methods. and came to us so and so Trouka, if you came at night. have ways of knocking Trouka, is Tariq . man and knock, if it is valid even knocking his family at night. and the Morning star, who is called the morning star, http://baheth.info/all.jsp?term=%D8%...A7%D8%B1%D9%82 [COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]Sura 43:3; Indeed, We have made it an ARABIC Qur'an that you might understand. [/COLOR] So ciko, either the Koran is in clear Arabic and can be understood by the muslims who were actually receiving it or it is not. Quote:
And also, we are not discussing science, we are discussing koranic arabic and your claim about ALL the islamic scholars and koran translations in history WERE FALSE TRANSLATIONS until the kuffar discovered pulsars. Thats why your claims and claims of milov are absurd claims based on your own lack of understanding and disbelief about what the koran is saying. |
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