Why Islam Is Only True Religion From God - Page 166

noobcybot · 01-05-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by markdiegutis

ok ok ok i am a liar... now what? have i taken the wind out of your sails? hahahaha
yes i am a madman...now what??

what you gonna do about it ? lol

Laugh at your rants and your dumbass facebook page?

markdiegutis · 01-05-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by noobcybot

Uh huh. Says a guy who came here to preach about the dangers of Islam and nothing else. Lol, what happened? Did the police keep moving you and your soapbox from the city centre for being a public nuisance?

islam is dangerous. nearly everyone including many muslims know this. except you ..but thats because you are too stupid to understand logic.

markdiegutis · 01-05-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by noobcybot

Laugh at your rants and your dumbass facebook page?

which you cant even view...the fact that you found my name and my picture is nothing. I could put my picture on here and everyone here would know as much as you. you are a failure

BORRRRRRING ...time to change your answers noob...you stupid noob.

markdiegutis · 01-05-2012, 07:29 PM

A normal islamic day !

Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

markdiegutis · 01-05-2012, 07:32 PM

Can Muslim citizens be loyal to a non-Muslim government??

Many Muslims are loyal to the non-Muslim countries in which they live, of course, but it is in spite of Islamic teaching. Unlike other faiths, Islam is not just a religion but a political system as well. The state is intended to be inseparable from religious rule. Islamic law, or Sharia, is complete and not designed to coexist with or be subordinate to other legal systems.

Muslims are not meant to be ruled by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is very clear that they are to resist unbelievers by any means until Islam establishes political supremacy. This doesn't mean that everyone must be forced to become Muslim, but rather that everyone must submit to Muslim rule.

Qur'an (5:3) - "This day have I perfected your religion for you." This verse is often interpreted to mean that any government outside of Sharia is unnecessary at best, and corruptive at worst.

Qur'an (18:26) - "[Allah] maketh none to share in his government." This was probably intended as a slam against polytheists and the Christian belief in the Trinity, but it has also been used as the basis for criticizing earthly governments.

Qur'an (19:64) - "And we do not descend but by the command of your Lord; to Him belongs whatever is before us and whatever is behind us and whatever is between these, and your Lord is not forgetful."

Qur'an (4:141) - "...And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers."

Qur'an (63:8) - "...might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers; but the hypocrites know not." The "hypocrites" are defined as Muslims in name only, those who do not submit to the theocracy of Allah.

Qur'an (5:49) - "So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee" Allah's Qur'an takes priority over the desires of the people. A democratic nation is by nature one that is not governed by Islamic law, meaning that a Muslim citizen would have divided loyalty. It's clear from this verse which side he must choose.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." The word 'friend' is Awliyaa which is inclusive of friends, protectors and helpers - the components of civil society. See also verse 5:51

Qur'an (4:123) - "Not your desires, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper."

Qur'an (28:17) - "O my Lord! For that Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace on me, never shall I be a help to those who sin!" It is difficult to reconcile this verse with the civic duty of a public office holder in a pluralistic society.

Qur'an (4:59) - "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you..." Oddly enough, this verse is sometimes used in an attempt to make the case that Muslims should respect a non-Muslim civil government. But a careful reading makes it clear that the rulers Muslims are to obey are from among their own body of believers. This verse commands strict obedience to the leader (even if he steals and flogs them, according to a hadith reported by Sahih Muslim). How can this refer to a non-Muslim leader when other parts of the Qur'an call for violent Jihad against persecution from non-believers?

mog58 · 02-05-2012, 11:10 AM

noobcybot reckons that 9/11, the London terrorist attacks etc., were inside jobs!!!

The Palestinians and others say otherwise!!!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/343/2952.htm

Speakers at Pro-Bin Laden Rally in Gaza Strip Praise 9/11 and Say: Osama Lives On in Our Hearts

Following are excerpts from pro-Bin Laden rallies in the Gaza Strip, which was posted on the Internet on May 20, 2011:

At Gaza rally:

Crowds: There is no god but Allah.

America is the enemy of Allah.

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At Rafah rally:

Crowds: Our souls and our blood we will give for you, oh Osama.

Our souls and our blood we will give for you, oh Osama.

Our souls and our blood we will give for you, oh Osama.

Demonstrator: There is no god but Allah.

Crowds: There is no god but Allah.

Demonstrator: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah.

Crowds: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah.

Demonstrator: There is no god but Allah.

Crowds: There is no god but Allah.

Demonstrator: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah.

Crowds: Sheik Osama is loved by Allah.

Demonstrator: Osama destroyed America…

Crowds: Osama destroyed America…

Demonstrator: …using a civilian plane.

Crowds: …using a civilian plane.

Demonstrator: Say: "Allah Akbar."

Crowds: Allah Akbar!

Demonstrator: Beware, oh Pakistan…

Crowds: Beware, oh Pakistan…

Demonstrator: …of the soldiers of Taliban.

Crowds: …of the soldiers of Taliban.

Demonstrator: Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews…

Crowds: Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews…

Demonstrator: …the army of Muhammad is returning.

Crowds: …the army of Muhammad is returning.

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Sheik Munir Al-'Aydi: This blessed man, Osama, Allah's mercy upon him, has given his money and his soul for the Jihad for the sake of Allah. At a time when real men are few, he united the nation around monotheism. Allah's mercy upon you, oh Osama. You were good in your life, and you were good in your death. That man Osama thwarted the American plan in this region, and did what no man has ever done before, especially in our times. He is not a man like all men. He is a man who was true to the pledge he made before Allah.

That is the man who said: "I pledge before Allah that America and its people will enjoy no security before we enjoy true security in Palestine." He was always devoted to the land of Palestine. He was always devoted to the liberation of the holy places. He was always devoted to the instating of the law of Allah.

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Today, this proud lion has been dumped in the sea by the country of heresy and prostitution, America. They wanted him dead or alive.

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That is the man who brandished his weapon to fight the enemies of Allah. He led the Global Front for Jihad against America and its allies, the worshippers of the cross. He rightfully earned the title of the imam of our times.

Demonstrator: Say: "Allah Akbar."

Crowds: Allah Akbar!

Demonstrator: Say: "Allah Akbar."

Crowds: Allah Akbar!

Demonstrator: Say: "Allah Akbar."

Crowds: Allah Akbar!

Sheik Munir Al-'Aydi: That is the man who shattered the crosses. That is the man who brought the Americans to their knees. That is the man who humiliated the hypocrites in the East and West. That man through whom Allah distinguished men of truth from men of falsehood.

[…]

In the days of Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, when there were claims that the Koran was man-made, the scholars of those times would say that you could distinguish between a man of truth and a hypocrite by his love for Imam Ahmad. In our times, we too say that you can tell a believer from a hypocrite by his love for Osama Bin Laden.

Crowds: Allah Akbar!

Allah Akbar!

Allah Akbar!

Allah Akbar!

Sheik Munir Al-'Aydi: You are not dead, oh Osama. You live on in the hearts of us all. Osama lives on in the heart of every man. All our sons are Osama. Our entire nation is Osama.

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/343/2977.htm

Al-Qaeda Leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri Threatens New Attacks on the US Following Bin Laden's Death

Following are excerpts from a video-clip featuring Al-Qaeda Leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri, which was posted on the Internet on June 8, 2011.

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Ayman Al-Zawahiri: I would like to bring to the Muslim nation - the nation of faith and monotheism, of Jihad and of martyrdom, the nation of sacrifice, the nation of hijra and ribat, the glad tidings of the martyrdom of the imam, the mujahid, the innovator, the muhajir, the murabit, the noble Emir, the skilled commander, the ascetic servant of Allah, who rises above the trifles of this world, the hero who fought in the advanced rank, the pioneer of Jihad against the Communists, and later, against the Crusaders, the imam of our times in the Jihad against America, who spurred on the nation, and was the symbol of its glory and nobility, and of its rejection of humiliation and subservience – Abu Abdallah Osama Bin Muhammad Bin Laden, may Allah cover him with mercy and give him a place in Paradise, “among the prophets, the truthful, the martyrs, and the righteous. What a goodly company they be.”

Abu Abdallah Osama Bin Laden was killed, like Abu Abdallah Hussein was killed, in the midst of his family. The cry of glory, uttered by Abu Abdallah Hussein in Karbala, when he cried: “away with humiliation,” was echoed by Abu Abdullah Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad, “away with humiliation by America, away with humiliation by the Crusader arrogance, away with humiliation by Pakistani collaboration, away with the disregard for what is holy and sacred to the nation and its honor.”

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Today, Allah be praised, America is not facing an individual, a group, or a sect. It faces a nation that is arising, having awakened from its slumber straight into a Jihadi revival, and challenges America, wherever it may be. In the past decade, America has faced four decisive catastrophes: first of all, the blessed raids in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania, when the martyrdom-seeking eagles shattered the symbol of American economy in New York, and the Pentagon, the headquarters of the US military command, with all that this entails, including a blow to the morale, and economic and military losses.

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Then came the second decisive blow - America’s defeat in Iraq at the hand of the mujahideen, and first and foremost, the Islamic State of Iraq. America withdrew from Iraq, after losing money, equipment, and the lives of its sons there.

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The third decisive blow was in Afghanistan, where America is wallowing in the mire of defeat. It is bleeding in endless defeat, and has had to announce the beginning of its withdrawal in July 2011, despite its admission that the mujahideen of the Islamic Emirate have control over most of Afghanistan.

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Then came the fourth decisive blow: the corrupt agents of America have been toppled in Tunisia and Egypt, and their thrones in Libya, Yemen, and Syria are shaking.

America has tried to contain the erupting volcano of the masses by declaring – after hesitation - its support for revolutions of the peoples. But the popular movement in Egypt and Tunisia gave a slap in the face to America, when the youth of the revolution in Tunisia demonstrated against Hilary Clinton’s visit, and those in Egypt refused to meet with her.

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To his Lord went the man who used to emphasize that our greatest victory over America lies in exposing its debasement and defeat in the field of moral values. It was the will of Allah that by killing Osama Bin Laden, America would reveal the depth of its lies and depravity. America claimed that after killing Osama Bin Laden, Allah’s mercy upon him, it dumped his body into the sea, in accordance with Islamic rites. What kind of Islam is this?! The Islam of America? Or is it the Islam of Obama, who sold out the religion of his father, converting to Christianity, and later prayed the prayer of the Jews, in order to please the arch-criminals? This is the Islam that America heralds for us - a man-made, fabricated, and false Islam, which submits to the violence of the arrogant.

To his Lord went as a martyr the man who terrified America in his lifetime and is terrifying it in his death, to the point that they tremble in fear from letting him have a grave, because they know that tens of millions of people love him. He terrifies them in death, to the point that they cannot release a picture of his body, because they know the magnitude of the popular Islamic wrath against them and their crimes. Allah willing, Sheik Osama Bin Laden will continue to terrify, horrify, and scare them, and he will continue to persecute America and Israel, as well as their Crusader allies, and their corrupt agents. His famous oath will continue to deprive them of sleep: “you shall not dream of security before we live it as a reality, and before you leave the lands of the Muslims.”

Love for Sheik Osama Bin Laden has filled the hearts of the Muslim masses, who took to the streets after his death, demonstrating their love for him and their hatred of America, from Manila to Cairo, Gaza, Pakistan, Lebanon, Somalia, Yemen, and Sudan.

I’d like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude, and that of my brothers, to all those who participated in this epic event, and to the thousands who prayed for the soul of this martyr of Islam, throughout the Islamic world, as well as to those who praised the sheik and his Jihad. I would like to mention, by way of example, Sheik Hafez Salama, Mufti Kefayatullah, Sheik Hassan Uweiss, the distinguished Ismil Haniya, and many others, may Allah reward them all.

Our dear, beloved Islamic nation, the sheik has gone to his Lord, and we consider him to be a martyr, and we must continue on the path of Jihad, in order to drive the invaders out of the lands of Islam, and in order to cleanse it of the oppression and the oppressors.

Therefore, we reaffirm our pledge of allegiance, to the Emir of the Believers, Mullah Muhammad Omar Mujahid. We pledge to always hear and obey him, and to wage Jihad for the sake of Allah, to instate the shari’a, and to help the oppressed.

In addition, we send a message of support to all the mujahideen, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq, in Somalia, in the Arabian Peninsula, and in the Islamic Maghreb.

We urge them to exert additional efforts in fighting the Crusaders and their helpers.

We encourage the mujahideen in imprisoned Palestine, and we pledge to them and to the persevering Islamic nation in the environs of Jerusalem, that we will sacrifice everything that is dear to us in order to deprive America of its security until you live it as a reality in Palestine. We are grateful for the loyal sentiments that they expressed in support of the sheik, Allah’s mercy upon him, and for their hatred and anger toward America.

In addition, I urge the masses of the Islamic nation in Pakistan to rise against the mercenary military men and the bribed politicians, who control their destiny, and who have turned Pakistan into an American colony, where America kills whoever it wants, imprisons whoever it wants, and destroys whatever Pakistani village it wants. These are the military men and politicians who sold the glory and honor of Pakistan for a handful of dollars. Oh Muslim people of Pakistan, rise up like your brothers in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Syria, shake off the dust of humiliation, and get rid of those who sold you to America in the slave market.

Today, you rejoice in the martyrdom of the heroic, innovative, Imam Osama Bin Laden, but look what happened to you each time you rejoiced.

Woe betide America, woe betide its people. Al-Qaeda Al-Jihad has prepared for a terrible day, like Tuesday [9/11], when we shed the blood of the infidels, and it remains unavenged.

mog58 · 02-05-2012, 11:18 AM

Who says that Al-Qaeda does not exist???

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6315.htm

May 1, 2012
Special Dispatch No.4684

Pakistani Journalist Hamid Mir: 'Obama Can Throw the Dead Body of Osama bin Laden In the Deep Sea - But He Cannot Drown the Ideology of Al-Qaeda'

Senior Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir, who interviewed Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden twice – before and after the 9/11 attacks – argued in a recent article that bin Laden was influenced by Shafiq al-Madni, a jihadist from Al-Madina, in Saudi Arabia, who wanted to be a martyr and preferred not to be buried in the ground upon death.

In his article, titled "How Obama Fulfilled the Dreams of Osama," Hamid Mir said that Osama bin Laden too echoed the desire of Shafiq al-Madni, stating: "Allah Almighty fulfilled the dream of Shafiq al-Madni; he became a martyr, and I pray to Allah that I should also become a martyr like Shafiq al-Madni who never wanted to be buried in the ground."

Noting that that bin Laden achieved his life's mission, Hamid Mir added that the U.S. "cannot deny the fact that bin Ladenism is still a source of inspiration for the militants fighting from Afghanistan to Yemen and from Iraq to Palestine…" Hamid Mir pointed out that two terror suspects arrested in the U.S. this year had not visited Afghanistan and Pakistan, adding: "One can differ with the ideology of Al-Qaeda, but the fact is that [bin Laden's] ideology still exists and is getting stronger because of the U.S. policies."

Following are excerpts from Hamid Mir's article:[1]

"Bin Ladenism is Still a Source of Inspiration for the Militants Fighting from Afghanistan to Yemen and from Iraq to Palestine; Dead Osama is as Dangerous as Living Osama"

"Osama bin Laden is history now but Al-Qaeda is still determined to make some new history. U.S. officials have rightly claimed many times that Al-Qaeda has become weaker after the death of Osama bin Laden but they cannot deny the fact that bin Ladenism is still a source of inspiration for the militants fighting from Afghanistan to Yemen and from Iraq to Palestine. Dead Osama is as dangerous as living Osama.

"The Obama administration has foiled at least 8 terrorist plots on the U.S. soil since the death of Osama bin Laden on May 2, 2011. President Obama can take credit of bin Laden's death but he is not aware that actually bin Laden got the death of his own choice. It was his old dream not to be captured by enemy but to be killed by enemy and [not to be buried] in any grave.

"Osama bin Laden always prayed to become a martyr like his old friend Shafiq al-Madni. I heard the name of Shafiq from bin Laden first in 1997. I was the first Pakistani journalist to meet Osama bin Laden in March 1997 and I was the last journalist to interview him seven weeks after 9/11. I started writing his biography in 1998 and once I asked him about the people who impressed him a lot and created [a] big impact on his life. Osama said that he was lucky to have brave friends like Shafiq al-Madni who always loved martyrdom."

Bin Laden's Mentor Shafiq Al-Madni: "Oh My Sheikh Osama, Please Pray That When I Become a Martyr the Stomach of Birds and Animals should Become My Grave, I don't Want to Be Buried in [The] Ground"

"Shafiq from Madina was a very good player of soccer but he joined the Jihad against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden. He remained on the frontline during the battle of Jalalabad in 1989. Shafiq al-Madni always wanted a unique and different kind of martyrdom. Once he told him: 'oh my Sheikh Osama, please pray that when I become a martyr the stomach of birds and animals should become my grave, I don't want to be buried in [the] ground; I want that on the day of judgment birds and animals should tell Allah Almighty that the body of Shafiq al-Madni was torn into pieces by the enemies of Islam because he was fighting in the name of Allah.'

"Osama said that Shafiq al-Madni was very good in destroying Russian tanks with his RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades]. One day Shafiq and two other Arab fighters were trapped by the Russians in the battle for Jalalabad. The three men tried to escape but they were surrounded from all sides. Shafiq was senior to the other two. He decided to provide [covering fire] and ordered them to escape. He destroyed the tank coming from the front but became [the] target of another tank's gunfire from his left. His body was torn to small pieces. His dream came true. He was killed on enemy territory and his dead body was not available. He was not buried in a grave. The stomach of birds and animals became his ultimate grave.

"Osama bin Laden said: 'Allah Almighty fulfilled the dream of Shafiq al-Madni, he became a martyr and I pray to Allah that I should also become a martyr like Shafiq al-Madni who never wanted to be buried in the ground.'"

"[Bin Laden] Read Many Books [by] Sayyed Qutb While Fishing in the Red Sea; He had Never Imagined That the U.S. Marines would Bury Him in the Sea; The Obama Administration Never Provided a Grave to Al-Qaeda But It Certainly Gave a Martyr to Al-Qaeda"

"Osama was so impressed with Shafiq al-Madni that he purchased a speedboat and docked it at the bin Laden marina at the Jeddah harbor. He named it after Shafiq al-Madni. The engine of the boat was removed and replaced with a more powerful one. This 'Shafiq al-Madni boat' was the first step towards Al-Qaeda men training in operations in the seas. Osama loved sea a lot.

"He read many books [by Egyptian radical cleric] Syed Qutb while fishing in the Red Sea. He had never imagined that the U.S. Marines would bury him in the sea and he will not be buried in any grave like his friend Shafiq al-Madni. The Obama administration never provided a grave to Al-Qaeda but it certainly gave a martyr to Al-Qaeda.

"The Pakistani authorities have demolished bin Laden’s house in Abbotabad where he was killed on May 2, 2011 but Al-Qaeda is not demolished. The Obama administration fears that maybe Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahri is still present on Pakistani soil but there is [a] lack of cooperation between Pakistan and [the] U.S. against Al-Qaeda after the Abbottabad operation and [the] attack on Salala check post [killing 24 Pakistani soldiers in November 2011]."

"Pakistan Never Gave CIA Full Access to Interrogate Osama bin Laden's Family; Pakistanis were Careful Because They Feared a Serious Backlash from Al-Qaeda; They Knew Many Al-Qaeda Leaders … [Are] Hiding Quietly in Big Cities like Karachi"

"Pakistan never gave CIA full access to interrogate Osama bin Laden's family. The big family was handed over to the Saudi authorities a few days back. Pakistanis were careful because they feared a serious backlash from Al-Qaeda.

"They knew many Al-Qaeda leaders … [are] hiding quietly in big cities like Karachi and they can become a big danger anytime. Why [are] Pakistanis not ready to underestimate Al-Qaeda? They know that Al-Qaeda operators started moving from Karachi to Afghanistan after the attack on Mehran [Pakistani Naval] base in Karachi last year.

"These operators helped [the] Afghan Taliban launch attacks on the NATO forces in a more organized manner. They also advised [the] Taliban not to listen to Pakistan for starting a dialogue with the U.S. Most of them are not active militants but they have become terror consultants."

"The Combination of Flawed U.S. Policies and Dangerous Al-Qaeda Ideology Creates Angry Boys Who Want to Become Martyrs Like Shafiq al-Madni and Osama bin Laden; Obama can Throw the Dead Body of Osama bin Laden in the Deep Sea But He cannot Drown the Ideology of Al-Qaeda"

"Incidents like the desecration of [the] Holy Koran [by U.S. soldiers] in Afghanistan and the detention of a Pakistani woman Afia Saddiqui in a U.S. prison are enough for Al-Qaeda terror consultants to exploit the religious sentiments of the Muslim youth. The Obama administration must tell the world what actually motivated young American Muslims like Sami Osmakac and Amine El Khalafi to organize terror attacks in [the] U.S. Both were arrested in January and February this year in the U.S. They never visited Pakistan or Afghanistan, they never met any Al-Qaeda leader in their whole life but even then they developed hatred against [the] U.S.

"Sami was caught because he was trying to find the Al-Qaeda flag on [the] web before hitting the targets. If some boys living in the U.S. can develop hatred against America, then what about those boys who live in Afghanistan and Pakistan, who see the occupation forces with their own eyes and who participate in the burials of those innocent children and women killed in U.S. drone attacks? It is this pressure from these angry young boys, which stopped the senior Taliban leadership from opening formal negotiations with Washington.

"The U.S. prevented more than 50 terror attacks on its soil since 9/11 but Afghanistan and Pakistan are not America. These two countries are the biggest victims of U.S. war against terrorism since 9/11 and are still unsafe even after the death of Osama bin Laden. One can differ with the ideology of Al-Qaeda but the fact is that his ideology still exists and is getting stronger because of the U.S. policies.

"The combination of flawed U.S. policies and dangerous Al-Qaeda ideology creates angry boys who want to become martyrs like Shafiq al-Madni and Osama bin Laden. Obama can throw the dead body of Osama bin Laden in the deep sea but he cannot drown the ideology of Al-Qaeda in the sea. If the U.S. and its allies want to prevent Al Qaeda attacks in future they must throw out their bad policies in the sea…."

markdiegutis · 02-05-2012, 04:13 PM

Peaceful religion MY ARSE !!!!!!!!!!!

Ok lets see you defend your Islam now... what you got to say about these?

markdiegutis · 02-05-2012, 04:20 PM

Women, do you really want to end up as a second class citizen?

look at the latest islamic fashions to tempt you into islam...

positive_forward · 02-05-2012, 04:24 PM

The general consensus - the UK would never allow Muslims to gain too much power here.

positive_forward · 02-05-2012, 04:27 PM

3 million Muslims maybe at tops? Or less. How many are westernised and live the same way as the majority of the population do? Possibly the majority?

markdiegutis · 02-05-2012, 04:53 PM

Well going back to the original context of this thread.

How is islam the best religion?????

all I have seen is proof that it mind controls, abuses, murders,dictates and dominates.

I have seen no good from islam.
the religion that hates free thought.
like most religions too.
from all the religions I have studied and if I ever was to go back to religion which is highly unlikely, I would become buddhist.

never a muslim

markdiegutis · 02-05-2012, 05:00 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...im-father.html

Strict Kurdish Muslim Abdalla Yones cut the throat of his 16-year-old daughter Heshu because he believed she had become too westernised.

Police said she appeared to have been the victim of serious domestic violence before the murder.

And they revealed a letter which Heshu wrote to her parents, apparently just days before she planned to run away.

It read: "Bye Dad, sorry I was so much trouble. "Me and you will probably never understand each other, but I'm sorry I wasn't what you wanted, but there's some things you can't change.

"Hey, for an older man you have a good strong punch and kick.

"I hope you enjoyed testing your strength on me, it was fun being on the receiving end. Well done."

Yones tried to kill himself immediately after the murder by cutting his own throat and then throwing himself from a third floor balcony at the family home in Acton, west London, on October 12 last year.
He initially claimed members of al Qaida had broken into his home, killed his daughter and attacked him before throwing him over the balcony.

positive_forward · 02-05-2012, 05:28 PM

I think it's more a case of there is a minority of racist immigrants who hate the English folks. Including hard cores Islamists, who on the whole are not racist per say, but base their dislike of none Muslims due to what they are taught and believe. A study of history and the present situation around the world reveals this.

I was truely shocked, add the bigger shock of what's in the Koran/hadiths, it was the most shocking experience since I read what Jews teach about gentiles (Talmud/OT etc) and the Jewish power, their ownership of most Capiltalist banks, and creation of Communism.

I spent a few years being very vocal about the dangers of Islam. And took a lot of flak for it.

But fear sometimes that I'm being used as a propaganda mouth piece. So I mostly stay away from the topic now. Yet there needs to be an open dialogue and debate with the most knowledgeable/educated of Muslims and none Muslims, in a calm manner without the shouting - problem with Islam it's such a vast complicated topic. And so many varying opinions even from Muslim themselves as to what Islam actually is and isn't.

I've had my say on forums and don't really want to get involved in the Islam debates anymore.

I'd like to think most Muslims don't take all that hatefull shit they get taught etc about none Muslims seriously and practice some of the better teachings good morals etc..and most just want a peaceful life and co existence (I'm sure many people see this in every day life) from their Muslim friends neighbours etc.

markdiegutis · 02-05-2012, 05:31 PM

look more uneducated muslims...

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

markdiegutis · 02-05-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by positive_forward

I think it's more a case of there is a minority of racist immigrants who hate the English folks. Including hard cores Islamists, who on the whole are not racist per say, but base their dislike of none Muslims due to what they are taught and believe. A study of history and the present situation around the world reveals this.

I was truely shocked, add the bigger shock of what's in the Koran/hadiths, it was the most shocking experience since I read what Jews teach about gentiles (Talmud/OT etc) and the Jewish power, their ownership of most Capiltalist banks, and creation of Communism.

I spent a few years being very vocal about the dangers of Islam. And took a lot of flak for it.

But fear sometimes that I'm being used as a propaganda mouth piece. So I mostly stay away from the topic now. Yet there needs to be an open dialogue and debate with the most knowledgeable/educated of Muslims and none Muslims, in a calm manner without the shouting - problem with Islam it's such a vast complicated topic. And so many varying opinions even from Muslim themselves as to what Islam actually is and isn't.

I've had my say on forums and don't really want to get involved in the Islam debates anymore.

I'd like to think most Muslims don't take all that hatefull shit they get taught etc about none Muslims seriously and practice some of the better teachings good morals etc..and most just want a peaceful life and co existence (I'm sure many people see this in every day life) from their Muslim friends neighbours etc.

I would like to have your faith. It maybe that muslims in europe and the US are more peaceful. Depends on the society they are part of. because if the quran says one thing..and they are not following it..it is a worst crime in the eyes of allah.

itruth · 02-05-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by noobcybot

Uh huh. Says a guy who came here to preach about the dangers of Islam and nothing else. Lol, what happened? Did the police keep moving you and your soapbox from the city centre for being a public nuisance?

You live your life and fight for what you believe to be important to you, and I will live my life and fight for I believe to be important to me.

I have already explained my position, and you cannot show why/how my position is wrong.

Therefore, until anyone can do that by presenting a logical argument against it, I will then continue to do what I am doing, without apology to the simpletons, because I dont need the authorization, agreement or aproval of simpletons, ok.

noobcybot · 02-05-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by itruth

You live your life and fight for what you believe to be important to you, and I will live my life and fight for I believe to be important to me.

I have already explained my position, and you cannot show why/how my position is wrong.

Therefore, until anyone can do that by presenting a logical argument against it, I will then continue to do what I am doing, without apology to the simpletons, because I dont need the authorization, agreement or aproval of simpletons, ok.

Lol, you arent fighting for what you believe in though. You are going onto an internet forum where 99% of the people dont care for your absurd rants against Islam. The fact remains you talk about nothing but Islam but you hate it. Its unhealthy.

markdiegutis · 02-05-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by noobcybot

Lol, you arent fighting for what you believe in though. You are going onto an internet forum where 99% of the people dont care for your absurd rants against Islam. The fact remains you talk about nothing but Islam but you hate it. Its unhealthy.

Just like you hate anyone that isn't a muslim..just like you hate everything that isnt islam?

i have noticed all you can do on this thread is pick petty squabbles about petty things and try to publicly assassinate people because you know they are right.

Tell me why you turned your back on islam.. I think everyone wants to know this. especially since you fight in such a rascist and fascist way to defend islam.

itruth · 02-05-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by markdiegutis

I would like to have your faith. It maybe that muslims in europe and the US are more peaceful. Depends on the society they are part of. because if the quran says one thing..and they are not following it..it is a worst crime in the eyes of allah.

Thats real talk.

Ibn Taymiyyah [b. 1263 d. 1328] wrote a book titled ‘The Sword on the Neck of the Accuser of Muhammad’19 in which he outlined the expectation of living peacefully in a non-Muslim state. Muslims are to ‘forgive and be patient’ and ‘believers should lie to the People of the Book’20until the believers are ready to strive hard against the unbelievers with all of their wealth, persons, property and souls [Q. 4:95; 8:72; 9:73]. Ibn Taymiyyah [b. 1263 d. 1328]

`Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said that Allah's statement, (But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His command.) was abrogated by the Ayah, (Then kill the Mushrikin wherever you find them) (9:5), and (Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day) (9:29) until (And feel themselves subdued) (9:29). http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...id=327&Itemid=

TORONTO - An Islamic bookstore in east Toronto is selling books that urge Muslims to usurp the Western world and install an Islamic State in its place.
Maududi was an influential Pakistani journalist, theologian and Muslim revivalist leader who wrote more than 120 books and pamphlets and lived from 1903 to 1979. http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/30...ale-in-toronto

‘Allah conveys the News that there will be Many Cases of Jihad, and that Jihad distinguishes the Ranks of the Believers and exposes the Hypocrites.’ Tafsir Ibn Kathir http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir.../48.49422.html

"striving" (jihad), a Muslim's duty, occurs in the context of opposing, or striving against, the unbeliever. The striving of jihad is primarily the striving to spread Islam and Islamic rule. http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jihad/jihad02.htm

01-05-2012, 07:29 PM	#3304
markdiegutis Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 845	A normal islamic day ! Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'" __________________ "Cults are those invisible things that tend to mind their own business and keep away from everyone...Until someone thinks of them."

01-05-2012, 07:32 PM	#3305
markdiegutis Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 845	Can Muslim citizens be loyal to a non-Muslim government?? Many Muslims are loyal to the non-Muslim countries in which they live, of course, but it is in spite of Islamic teaching. Unlike other faiths, Islam is not just a religion but a political system as well. The state is intended to be inseparable from religious rule. Islamic law, or Sharia, is complete and not designed to coexist with or be subordinate to other legal systems. Muslims are not meant to be ruled by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is very clear that they are to resist unbelievers by any means until Islam establishes political supremacy. This doesn't mean that everyone must be forced to become Muslim, but rather that everyone must submit to Muslim rule. Qur'an (5:3) - "This day have I perfected your religion for you." This verse is often interpreted to mean that any government outside of Sharia is unnecessary at best, and corruptive at worst. Qur'an (18:26) - "[Allah] maketh none to share in his government." This was probably intended as a slam against polytheists and the Christian belief in the Trinity, but it has also been used as the basis for criticizing earthly governments. Qur'an (19:64) - "And we do not descend but by the command of your Lord; to Him belongs whatever is before us and whatever is behind us and whatever is between these, and your Lord is not forgetful." Qur'an (4:141) - "...And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers." Qur'an (63:8) - "...might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers; but the hypocrites know not." The "hypocrites" are defined as Muslims in name only, those who do not submit to the theocracy of Allah. Qur'an (5:49) - "So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee" Allah's Qur'an takes priority over the desires of the people. A democratic nation is by nature one that is not governed by Islamic law, meaning that a Muslim citizen would have divided loyalty. It's clear from this verse which side he must choose. Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." The word 'friend' is Awliyaa which is inclusive of friends, protectors and helpers - the components of civil society. See also verse 5:51 Qur'an (4:123) - "Not your desires, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper." Qur'an (28:17) - "O my Lord! For that Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace on me, never shall I be a help to those who sin!" It is difficult to reconcile this verse with the civic duty of a public office holder in a pluralistic society. Qur'an (4:59) - "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you..." Oddly enough, this verse is sometimes used in an attempt to make the case that Muslims should respect a non-Muslim civil government. But a careful reading makes it clear that the rulers Muslims are to obey are from among their own body of believers. This verse commands strict obedience to the leader (even if he steals and flogs them, according to a hadith reported by Sahih Muslim). How can this refer to a non-Muslim leader when other parts of the Qur'an call for violent Jihad against persecution from non-believers? __________________ "Cults are those invisible things that tend to mind their own business and keep away from everyone...Until someone thinks of them." Last edited by markdiegutis; 01-05-2012 at 07:34 PM.

02-05-2012, 11:18 AM	#3307
mog58 Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 476	Why Islam Is Only True Religion From God Who says that Al-Qaeda does not exist??? http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6315.htm May 1, 2012 Special Dispatch No.4684 Pakistani Journalist Hamid Mir: 'Obama Can Throw the Dead Body of Osama bin Laden In the Deep Sea - But He Cannot Drown the Ideology of Al-Qaeda' Senior Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir, who interviewed Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden twice – before and after the 9/11 attacks – argued in a recent article that bin Laden was influenced by Shafiq al-Madni, a jihadist from Al-Madina, in Saudi Arabia, who wanted to be a martyr and preferred not to be buried in the ground upon death. In his article, titled "How Obama Fulfilled the Dreams of Osama," Hamid Mir said that Osama bin Laden too echoed the desire of Shafiq al-Madni, stating: "Allah Almighty fulfilled the dream of Shafiq al-Madni; he became a martyr, and I pray to Allah that I should also become a martyr like Shafiq al-Madni who never wanted to be buried in the ground." Noting that that bin Laden achieved his life's mission, Hamid Mir added that the U.S. "cannot deny the fact that bin Ladenism is still a source of inspiration for the militants fighting from Afghanistan to Yemen and from Iraq to Palestine…" Hamid Mir pointed out that two terror suspects arrested in the U.S. this year had not visited Afghanistan and Pakistan, adding: "One can differ with the ideology of Al-Qaeda, but the fact is that [bin Laden's] ideology still exists and is getting stronger because of the U.S. policies." Following are excerpts from Hamid Mir's article:[1] "Bin Ladenism is Still a Source of Inspiration for the Militants Fighting from Afghanistan to Yemen and from Iraq to Palestine; Dead Osama is as Dangerous as Living Osama" "Osama bin Laden is history now but Al-Qaeda is still determined to make some new history. U.S. officials have rightly claimed many times that Al-Qaeda has become weaker after the death of Osama bin Laden but they cannot deny the fact that bin Ladenism is still a source of inspiration for the militants fighting from Afghanistan to Yemen and from Iraq to Palestine. Dead Osama is as dangerous as living Osama. "The Obama administration has foiled at least 8 terrorist plots on the U.S. soil since the death of Osama bin Laden on May 2, 2011. President Obama can take credit of bin Laden's death but he is not aware that actually bin Laden got the death of his own choice. It was his old dream not to be captured by enemy but to be killed by enemy and [not to be buried] in any grave. "Osama bin Laden always prayed to become a martyr like his old friend Shafiq al-Madni. I heard the name of Shafiq from bin Laden first in 1997. I was the first Pakistani journalist to meet Osama bin Laden in March 1997 and I was the last journalist to interview him seven weeks after 9/11. I started writing his biography in 1998 and once I asked him about the people who impressed him a lot and created [a] big impact on his life. Osama said that he was lucky to have brave friends like Shafiq al-Madni who always loved martyrdom." Bin Laden's Mentor Shafiq Al-Madni: "Oh My Sheikh Osama, Please Pray That When I Become a Martyr the Stomach of Birds and Animals should Become My Grave, I don't Want to Be Buried in [The] Ground" "Shafiq from Madina was a very good player of soccer but he joined the Jihad against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden. He remained on the frontline during the battle of Jalalabad in 1989. Shafiq al-Madni always wanted a unique and different kind of martyrdom. Once he told him: 'oh my Sheikh Osama, please pray that when I become a martyr the stomach of birds and animals should become my grave, I don't want to be buried in [the] ground; I want that on the day of judgment birds and animals should tell Allah Almighty that the body of Shafiq al-Madni was torn into pieces by the enemies of Islam because he was fighting in the name of Allah.' "Osama said that Shafiq al-Madni was very good in destroying Russian tanks with his RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades]. One day Shafiq and two other Arab fighters were trapped by the Russians in the battle for Jalalabad. The three men tried to escape but they were surrounded from all sides. Shafiq was senior to the other two. He decided to provide [covering fire] and ordered them to escape. He destroyed the tank coming from the front but became [the] target of another tank's gunfire from his left. His body was torn to small pieces. His dream came true. He was killed on enemy territory and his dead body was not available. He was not buried in a grave. The stomach of birds and animals became his ultimate grave. "Osama bin Laden said: 'Allah Almighty fulfilled the dream of Shafiq al-Madni, he became a martyr and I pray to Allah that I should also become a martyr like Shafiq al-Madni who never wanted to be buried in the ground.'" "[Bin Laden] Read Many Books [by] Sayyed Qutb While Fishing in the Red Sea; He had Never Imagined That the U.S. Marines would Bury Him in the Sea; The Obama Administration Never Provided a Grave to Al-Qaeda But It Certainly Gave a Martyr to Al-Qaeda" "Osama was so impressed with Shafiq al-Madni that he purchased a speedboat and docked it at the bin Laden marina at the Jeddah harbor. He named it after Shafiq al-Madni. The engine of the boat was removed and replaced with a more powerful one. This 'Shafiq al-Madni boat' was the first step towards Al-Qaeda men training in operations in the seas. Osama loved sea a lot. "He read many books [by Egyptian radical cleric] Syed Qutb while fishing in the Red Sea. He had never imagined that the U.S. Marines would bury him in the sea and he will not be buried in any grave like his friend Shafiq al-Madni. The Obama administration never provided a grave to Al-Qaeda but it certainly gave a martyr to Al-Qaeda. "The Pakistani authorities have demolished bin Laden’s house in Abbotabad where he was killed on May 2, 2011 but Al-Qaeda is not demolished. The Obama administration fears that maybe Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahri is still present on Pakistani soil but there is [a] lack of cooperation between Pakistan and [the] U.S. against Al-Qaeda after the Abbottabad operation and [the] attack on Salala check post [killing 24 Pakistani soldiers in November 2011]." "Pakistan Never Gave CIA Full Access to Interrogate Osama bin Laden's Family; Pakistanis were Careful Because They Feared a Serious Backlash from Al-Qaeda; They Knew Many Al-Qaeda Leaders … [Are] Hiding Quietly in Big Cities like Karachi" "Pakistan never gave CIA full access to interrogate Osama bin Laden's family. The big family was handed over to the Saudi authorities a few days back. Pakistanis were careful because they feared a serious backlash from Al-Qaeda. "They knew many Al-Qaeda leaders … [are] hiding quietly in big cities like Karachi and they can become a big danger anytime. Why [are] Pakistanis not ready to underestimate Al-Qaeda? They know that Al-Qaeda operators started moving from Karachi to Afghanistan after the attack on Mehran [Pakistani Naval] base in Karachi last year. "These operators helped [the] Afghan Taliban launch attacks on the NATO forces in a more organized manner. They also advised [the] Taliban not to listen to Pakistan for starting a dialogue with the U.S. Most of them are not active militants but they have become terror consultants." "The Combination of Flawed U.S. Policies and Dangerous Al-Qaeda Ideology Creates Angry Boys Who Want to Become Martyrs Like Shafiq al-Madni and Osama bin Laden; Obama can Throw the Dead Body of Osama bin Laden in the Deep Sea But He cannot Drown the Ideology of Al-Qaeda" "Incidents like the desecration of [the] Holy Koran [by U.S. soldiers] in Afghanistan and the detention of a Pakistani woman Afia Saddiqui in a U.S. prison are enough for Al-Qaeda terror consultants to exploit the religious sentiments of the Muslim youth. The Obama administration must tell the world what actually motivated young American Muslims like Sami Osmakac and Amine El Khalafi to organize terror attacks in [the] U.S. Both were arrested in January and February this year in the U.S. They never visited Pakistan or Afghanistan, they never met any Al-Qaeda leader in their whole life but even then they developed hatred against [the] U.S. "Sami was caught because he was trying to find the Al-Qaeda flag on [the] web before hitting the targets. If some boys living in the U.S. can develop hatred against America, then what about those boys who live in Afghanistan and Pakistan, who see the occupation forces with their own eyes and who participate in the burials of those innocent children and women killed in U.S. drone attacks? It is this pressure from these angry young boys, which stopped the senior Taliban leadership from opening formal negotiations with Washington. "The U.S. prevented more than 50 terror attacks on its soil since 9/11 but Afghanistan and Pakistan are not America. These two countries are the biggest victims of U.S. war against terrorism since 9/11 and are still unsafe even after the death of Osama bin Laden. One can differ with the ideology of Al-Qaeda but the fact is that his ideology still exists and is getting stronger because of the U.S. policies. "The combination of flawed U.S. policies and dangerous Al-Qaeda ideology creates angry boys who want to become martyrs like Shafiq al-Madni and Osama bin Laden. Obama can throw the dead body of Osama bin Laden in the deep sea but he cannot drown the ideology of Al-Qaeda in the sea. If the U.S. and its allies want to prevent Al Qaeda attacks in future they must throw out their bad policies in the sea…."

02-05-2012, 04:13 PM	#3308
markdiegutis Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 845	Peaceful religion MY ARSE !!!!!!!!!!! Ok lets see you defend your Islam now... what you got to say about these? __________________ "Cults are those invisible things that tend to mind their own business and keep away from everyone...Until someone thinks of them."

02-05-2012, 04:20 PM	#3309
markdiegutis Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 845	Women, do you really want to end up as a second class citizen? look at the latest islamic fashions to tempt you into islam... __________________ "Cults are those invisible things that tend to mind their own business and keep away from everyone...Until someone thinks of them." Last edited by markdiegutis; 02-05-2012 at 04:26 PM.

02-05-2012, 04:24 PM	#3310
positive_forward Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,465	The general consensus - the UK would never allow Muslims to gain too much power here.

02-05-2012, 04:27 PM	#3311
positive_forward Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,465	3 million Muslims maybe at tops? Or less. How many are westernised and live the same way as the majority of the population do? Possibly the majority?

02-05-2012, 04:53 PM	#3312
markdiegutis Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 845	Well going back to the original context of this thread. How is islam the best religion????? all I have seen is proof that it mind controls, abuses, murders,dictates and dominates. I have seen no good from islam. the religion that hates free thought. like most religions too. from all the religions I have studied and if I ever was to go back to religion which is highly unlikely, I would become buddhist. never a muslim __________________ "Cults are those invisible things that tend to mind their own business and keep away from everyone...Until someone thinks of them."

02-05-2012, 05:00 PM	#3313
markdiegutis Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 845	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...im-father.html Strict Kurdish Muslim Abdalla Yones cut the throat of his 16-year-old daughter Heshu because he believed she had become too westernised. Police said she appeared to have been the victim of serious domestic violence before the murder. And they revealed a letter which Heshu wrote to her parents, apparently just days before she planned to run away. It read: "Bye Dad, sorry I was so much trouble. "Me and you will probably never understand each other, but I'm sorry I wasn't what you wanted, but there's some things you can't change. "Hey, for an older man you have a good strong punch and kick. "I hope you enjoyed testing your strength on me, it was fun being on the receiving end. Well done." Yones tried to kill himself immediately after the murder by cutting his own throat and then throwing himself from a third floor balcony at the family home in Acton, west London, on October 12 last year. He initially claimed members of al Qaida had broken into his home, killed his daughter and attacked him before throwing him over the balcony. __________________ "Cults are those invisible things that tend to mind their own business and keep away from everyone...Until someone thinks of them." Last edited by markdiegutis; 02-05-2012 at 05:12 PM.

02-05-2012, 05:28 PM	#3314
positive_forward Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,465	I think it's more a case of there is a minority of racist immigrants who hate the English folks. Including hard cores Islamists, who on the whole are not racist per say, but base their dislike of none Muslims due to what they are taught and believe. A study of history and the present situation around the world reveals this. I was truely shocked, add the bigger shock of what's in the Koran/hadiths, it was the most shocking experience since I read what Jews teach about gentiles (Talmud/OT etc) and the Jewish power, their ownership of most Capiltalist banks, and creation of Communism. I spent a few years being very vocal about the dangers of Islam. And took a lot of flak for it. But fear sometimes that I'm being used as a propaganda mouth piece. So I mostly stay away from the topic now. Yet there needs to be an open dialogue and debate with the most knowledgeable/educated of Muslims and none Muslims, in a calm manner without the shouting - problem with Islam it's such a vast complicated topic. And so many varying opinions even from Muslim themselves as to what Islam actually is and isn't. I've had my say on forums and don't really want to get involved in the Islam debates anymore. I'd like to think most Muslims don't take all that hatefull shit they get taught etc about none Muslims seriously and practice some of the better teachings good morals etc..and most just want a peaceful life and co existence (I'm sure many people see this in every day life) from their Muslim friends neighbours etc.

02-05-2012, 05:31 PM	#3315
markdiegutis Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 845	look more uneducated muslims... ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. __________________ "Cults are those invisible things that tend to mind their own business and keep away from everyone...Until someone thinks of them."