Freemasons evil plan

[blaze]

[QUOTE=marpat;1060758650 The same people who accuse masons of being satanist would happily burn you at the stake for being a pagan[/QUOTE]




Absolutely!


Freemasonry is not satanism, and even though some freemasons may be satanists, it's not the same thing at all... imho - even at the hard edge.


One thing that freemasonry gets right, I believe, is that pretty much all mainstream religions are cut from the same cloth, allegorical children of very ancient myths and practices... Egyptian gods become greek, Sumarian mutate into Roman... etc etc... Druidic find their way into Christianity and nordic... it's all part of the same soup, which stems from attempts to understand and order the world around us.

Popular Christianity is a bit like Walt Disney presents the mysteries - instead of eating real blood and guts, we'll just eat the symbolic version. Same difference.

The rituals described as 'satanic' in some reports are not always 'satanism'. They are rituals, but something else. It's a dangerous business to align all dark ritual with that.

There are always difficulties when we work backwards from our preheld beliefs and accepted interpretations. To really understand it you have to put the books and interpretations down and look at it all from scratch.

Human's don't cope well with these monumental differences of belief. 200 years ago we're be less bothered about it because we'd not be particularly aware of different beliefs. We'd perhaps be confining our arguments to isolated pockets of persecutions or Christian Imperialism! Today the challenge of assimilating multiple disparate ideas is immense. That's why forums like this ARE important, because these are the places where we can start to unravel our thoughts, and that can be really painful.

To me it strikes me as utterly bonkers that we even have the conversations at all. - the reason we don't know and we argue is because the truth has been concealed from us (a long way back). Oh, it's there alright, it's just been buried.

The truth is in letting go, I think.

[paganoflight]

Originally Posted by believenothing

"Satan" is the god of the Old Testament.

I'm irreligious, was never brought up with any religion. In my adulthood I have studied extensively the world's religions and mythologies. Not to sound arrogant, but I understand the bible a lot more than the average Christian.

Here in the USA, many Christians are of the fundamentalist variety. They adhere to the OT dogma so much that they might as well be Messianic Jews. Maybe they read the NT gospels but they certainly didn't understand them. YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/El is one evil bastard with multiple personalities. Most likely because there were originally multiple gods. Somebody went through and changed them all to YHWH, El, or The Lord. Well not all, Ba'al and Asherah are still in there.

There is also no consensus on this Satan character either. Christians use Lucifer/The Beast/The Devil/Satan/The Adversary interchangeably and I don't think those are all the same thing.

If high-degree Masons worship anything, good for them I guess. I've read this belief before. Satan, Lucifer, Lilith, Ishtar, Moloch. Again, I read the bible and I'm not even convinced the biblical adversary to YHWH is even a bad guy. Certainly Lucifer (light bearer) certainly seems pretty harmless, yet Christians get in a hissy fit over those groups that claim to worship Lucifer.

If one group desired to rule the world (and I personally think there is such a group) it would be foolish to operate under one banner. These conspiracy theories want us to believe that they operate under the banner of Masonry. Somehow I doubt it. Maybe at one time, maybe in part. Most of them are banksters operating out of various financial and foreign policy think tanks.

Or they're CIA/Mossad/MI5/DGSE. The Mafia. Virtually every organized crime network. Also, other elite fraternal organizations. This beast is real and it has a lot of heads. It's not just the Masons.

If I had to blame one group, I would blame whitey. I'm a white guy myself, but that doesn't mean I have to like the my ancestor's domination/controller complex which led to thousands of wars, genocide, and colonialism. It's a hard thing to be proud of.

Secret societies have been around since civilization began obviously, but I think it's probably not a coincidence that many of the notorious ones (Masons, Assassins, etc) sprung from Norman occupied areas. Or that the Normans were described in the same way Robert Hare would describe a psychopath. They came from the North, were originally called vikings, and later identified as Angles, Saxons, and Jews. That Breivik chap is the perfect modern day specimen.

I tend to agree with you here, but be careful. Part of the "dark one's" trick is to mix attributes of the good guy with those of the bad guy. I tend to agree that the "God" of the old testament is the Devil only because those who wrote the old testament might have been dark occultists themselves. But that's speculation. One thing I know for certain though is that the true Creator of love and goodness would NEVER NEVER NEVER require or even want any form of blood sacrifice. PERIOD.

I also suspect that Jesus Christ might be the redeemed Lucifer, who might not be the same entity as satan. I just don't know. But they call both Christ and Lucifer the "light bearer". We won't know until the day of judgement.

As for the adversary's minions working/not working under one banner, well they won't publicly. But in secret...of course it's one banner. That's the banner that opposes goodness. Simple as that. I'd assume that they don't refer to themselves as "satanists", but their title is beside the point. What matters is that they oppose the original purpose of creation and are trying to defeat the true good God.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by paganoflight

I tend to agree with you here, but be careful. Part of the "dark one's" trick is to mix attributes of the good guy with those of the bad guy. I tend to agree that the "God" of the old testament is the Devil only because those who wrote the old testament might have been dark occultists themselves. But that's speculation. One thing I know for certain though is that the true Creator of love and goodness would NEVER NEVER NEVER require or even want any form of blood sacrifice. PERIOD.

I also suspect that Jesus Christ might be the redeemed Lucifer, who might not be the same entity as satan. I just don't know. But they call both Christ and Lucifer the "light bearer". We won't know until the day of judgement.

As for the adversary's minions working/not working under one banner, well they won't publicly. But in secret...of course it's one banner. That's the banner that opposes goodness. Simple as that. I'd assume that they don't refer to themselves as "satanists", but their title is beside the point. What matters is that they oppose the original purpose of creation and are trying to defeat the true good God.

Lucifer simply means light bringer. I suspect the real name of the bad guy is lucifuge, which is far more accurate.

You seem to fall into the common trap of lumping all freemasons together then judging them as a whole. This is wrong and will just confuse you. For instance, so many people think the 33 degree AASR is the highest degree yet I have the supreme degree and have never been a member of that side order.

Some of your comments are just puerile nonsense.Your appreciation of the old testament is also weak. What makes me laugh is that you go on about blood sacrifices and yet consider yourself a pagan. I'm quite sure that pagans were pretty involved with blood sacrifices. Even David Ickes good friend Credo ate the hand from a human corpse to gain occult power, so where is the line drawn?

[marpat]

Originally Posted by blaze

Absolutely!


Freemasonry is not satanism, and even though some freemasons may be satanists, it's not the same thing at all... imho - even at the hard edge.


One thing that freemasonry gets right, I believe, is that pretty much all mainstream religions are cut from the same cloth, allegorical children of very ancient myths and practices... Egyptian gods become greek, Sumarian mutate into Roman... etc etc... Druidic find their way into Christianity and nordic... it's all part of the same soup, which stems from attempts to understand and order the world around us.

Popular Christianity is a bit like Walt Disney presents the mysteries - instead of eating real blood and guts, we'll just eat the symbolic version. Same difference.

The rituals described as 'satanic' in some reports are not always 'satanism'. They are rituals, but something else. It's a dangerous business to align all dark ritual with that.

There are always difficulties when we work backwards from our preheld beliefs and accepted interpretations. To really understand it you have to put the books and interpretations down and look at it all from scratch.

Human's don't cope well with these monumental differences of belief. 200 years ago we're be less bothered about it because we'd not be particularly aware of different beliefs. We'd perhaps be confining our arguments to isolated pockets of persecutions or Christian Imperialism! Today the challenge of assimilating multiple disparate ideas is immense. That's why forums like this ARE important, because these are the places where we can start to unravel our thoughts, and that can be really painful.

To me it strikes me as utterly bonkers that we even have the conversations at all. - the reason we don't know and we argue is because the truth has been concealed from us (a long way back). Oh, it's there alright, it's just been buried.

The truth is in letting go, I think.

I think the real problem is that so many of the anti masonic accusations come from various churches and christian groups, who even accuse each other of being evil. They generate lies and distort truths to fit their own agendas, which is the coversion of people to their own churches. Conspiracy theorists then get hold of these corrupted ideas and push them as fact.

As for ritual, its amazing how many people are ignorant of what a ritual is, or that they even do their own rituals in their lives without even realising it. The anti-ritual mob are just another group of programmed people, who seem to think they are somehow wiser than others because they condemn people who use rituals when in fact they just make themselves more ignorant.

[matteria]

Originally Posted by zegzy

Your puppet masters wouldn't let you fix it if you wanted to and could fix it...they would kill you rather than watch you do that. Fixing the world so that it is heaven for everyone rather than just a tiny few isn't profitable to your puppet masters.

this person is banned.. but i would like point out that this isn't 'heaven' for the tiny few. their lives must be dedicated to continuing the enslavement and depravity of society, or they wouldnt be the few. every day for them is lived in fear, tempered with extraordinary intellectual games.
many people seem to think if they had money and power then they would be free, but no one really knows true freedom in this reality. everywhere we look we find dependencies which make freedom impossible. these dependencies are illusions which we have mistaken for necessity. only when you realize that your dependencies are simple illusions do you begin to know true freedom.

[blaze]

Yes - ritual is as big a spectrum as food. You have your apples and you have your 10 course banquet I suppose.

What would you say is the chief purpose of ritual in freemasonry? A v. high degree freemason (York Rite & Templar) once told me that it's to help remember / understand symbolism and allegory...

[valmar]

Originally Posted by paganoflight

Can't speak for the Masons, but Satanists do NOT believe that Satan is good (only to them in exchange for..."deals") or that God is evil (but only again their dark plan). Satanists have a devoted attachment to the philosophy of evil and are not dumb enough to confuse goodness with evil. They know full well that God is about righteousness and the devil is about wickedness. It's just that they embrace evil and shun goodness. When they say what you said above, that they believe the devil is the deity of light and love, and that God is the one of the opposite duality, it's a smokescreen to make themselves look like they aren't evil when in fact they know what the deal is. They just choose to side with the bad guy instead of the good guy and they know it. Goodness and righteousness, to them, are tedious and what-have-you, and evil...to them...as to their satanic master, "is fun". The simplicity of the matter is what is most sobering.

Oh, really? What about the Church of Satan? The Satanic Bible? To them, Satan is really just a symbol of freedom, the justified "accuser" of Jehovah and all the New Age and other controlling religions professing to be good. Does that help? I have a Satanic Bible...it's a nice read and I have to admit...I'm thinking about joining them...

You know what? Satanists are not really the bad guys...people like Christians and *face-palm* David Icke use the word as if its negative or something...and I thought David didn't believe Christianity! LOL! If he believes the Christian Rubbish about Satanism...he's one biscuit from a full box... As a challenger of religion, Icke should also be banishing the darkness to expose Satanism for what it is...not really a bad thing...

The Church of Satan - it's wonderful!
The Zionists don't believe in anything but their own supremacy...they just use the symbols to fuck with our subconscious minds...and herd us like sheep...Bahhhhhh!

[pepsi78]

As the story have it god kicked Satan out, it was not Jehovah but god who kicked it out, Jehovah is a lord god and there is also god the higher, supreme.

Satan comes from the angel named Sataniel, the name Satan it's self as a name refers to the name of the fallen angel. Satanism is about Satan, no dahhh it's why it's called satanism, otherwise it would be called something else.

Jehovah came into picture later on earth. Anyway mainstream satanism is the light version compared to masonry. Want real satanism join the masons, they do practice it, all tho not being a fan of Satan I do not encourage you.

[10thlight]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

The puppetmasters create "dis order" so the people will demand "order".

ORDO AB CHAO - YouTube

Thanks for the post.
Yea that video says it .too the eye of horus also.
Now people need to look into each thing in the video and connect the dots.
Most people know this stuff.I hope so.

[10thlight]

Originally Posted by agrahf

Not sure if You mean the same person as I do. I wrote about Zecharia Sitchin and my info I have on him. Sitchin got some things right, but he mostly lied and tried to mislead people.
Here is what Michael S. Heiser have to say about Sitchin:
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 1/8 - YouTube
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 2/8 - YouTube
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 3/8 - YouTube
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 4/8 - YouTube
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 5/8 - YouTube
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 6/8 - YouTube
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 7/8 - YouTube
Michael Heiser - Zakwestionowanie prac Zecharii Sitchina 8/8 - YouTube
Yeah, audio is really bad, sorry for that, I couldn't find any better version and i hope that Polish subtitles will not be a problem.
Here is some info about M. Heiser:

"Heiser was raised in Lebanon PA. He attended Lebanon High School and Cedar Crest High. He received an M.A. in Ancient History from the University of Pennsylvania, and an M.A. and Ph.D. in the Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages from the University of Wisconsin–Madison (with a minor in Classical studies). Heiser received his undergraduate degree from Bob Jones University and also attended Bible college for three years.
Heiser has studied Egyptian hieroglyphs, the Phoenician, the Aramaic, the Syriac, Moabite, the Ugaritic cuneiform, the Ancient Hebrew, Alexandrian Greek, the Aramaic, Akkadian and Sumerian and Second Temple Jewish monotheism"

Usually I dont use scholars or academics as a source of information (we all know that they have their own vision of truth) but Michael S. Heiser is more open-minded than most of those so called "authorities".

And here's something extra - Michael S Heiser: analysis of ancient texts, biblical theology, origins of the human race and shape-shifting serpentine beings a.k.a "watchers" (sounds familiar? SURE IT IS, reptilians anyone?):
Michael S Heiser - Serpentine Beings, Watchers, and the Netherworld - Ancient of Days 2004 - YouTube

Zecharia Sitchin
Yea i heard he was a cia op.
I will have to watch those videos.

[paganoflight]

Originally Posted by psquared

Wouldn't want to take over this world. It's too broken to fix.

A broken world is precisely what they would want...since they are already and have been working to break it. Fact of the matter is though, the world is NOT broken. Quite to the contrary it is quite resilient.

[pepsi78]

A broken world is precisely what they would want

Yep, so then they can come out and say, ohhh look it's broken "let us fix it" and bring on the NWO officially.

[priya]

You cannot exclusively follow Satan, your physical being simply wouldnt allow it as it involves destroying your belief in certain universal truths that keep you in harmony with yourself and the world around you and the people you come into contact with. It would be like destroying the light side of the ying and yang and you really cannot function with without the light bit and funnilly enough nor can the dark bit. I have tried. Anyway, everyone knows that satan is fiction.

[ksigmason]

Originally Posted by petrifb

Freemasons own sources proves that they are planning the new world order:

Nicely done on taking that quote out of context and completely hacking it a part. Here is the full quote with the previous sentence before it:

The Papacy and the rival monarchies, they said to them, are sold and bought in these days, become corrupt, and to-morrow, perhaps, will destroy each other. All that will become the heritage of the Temple: the World will soon come to us for its Sovereigns and Pontiffs. We shall constitute the equilibrium of the Universe, and be rulers over the Masters of the World.

This is an accusation against the corrupt monarchy and papacy who suppressed the Templars of old. Nice try though. I'm guessing you're one who has never read the book, just pulled random quotes from a website who has just hacked away, and posted just a few quotes taken out of context.

Originally Posted by petrifb

He made from his research next kind of conclusions: International freemasonry has been throughout of its history organized to progress towards worldwide kabbalistic gnosticism, digging the ground of Christianity, and if it is possible to destroy Christianity and infect all central structures by freemasonry thinking

And his conclusion would be wrong. This conclusion is based on his bias, agenda, and manipulation of the information just as you attempted to manipulate the Pike quote above. There is no Masonic conspiracy against Christianity.

Originally Posted by petrifb

All researched material points out the fact, that the most members of fraternity are primary ignorant the real plans.

Ah yes, the cry of the anti-Mason, "you're just not high enough". Most anti-Masons who use this can't even give the most basic and accurate description of how Freemasonry is structured. They most often confuse a degree with rank.

Your next little quote is easily identified as part of the Taxil Hoax with this marking: Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A.C. De La Rive in on page 588.

Plus, the Scottish Rite is not a representation of ALL OF FREEMASONRY. There is more to Freemasonry than just the Scottish Rite nor do they exercise any single authority over all of Freemasonry.

Your site was very deceptive and provided incorrect information.