Robert Green imprisoned for 1 year

[jimmi]

Originally Posted by filfar

alright jimmi
you've had your bit of fun, namecalling, having a wee barnie on the forums etc.

It would seem NO AMOUNT of proof presented to you is going to change your frozen mind, the only thing left is for you to find things out for yourself, do you want to or are you happy with your current mindset?

There are some very big questions about big topics within the HG case ie; child abuse, reporting of child abuse, freedom of speech, mental heath, libel, slander, bullying, internet freedoms and more

can you be so sure of what you have been told - to not want to find out further?

And that's about it as far as the Hollie haters give, NO AMOUNT OF PROOF of anything , just attacks against anyone that shows support for Robert Green and Hollie and Anne.

[iq_145]

Originally Posted by dolores1

Then to whom are your remarks addressed please?

My remarks are addressed to readers of this forum.

For example: has anyone got any proof of the alleged payout of £13,500.00? Was it paid to Hollie Grieg or to her mother? Was it paid into a trust? Any proof at all.

[iq_145]

Originally Posted by jimmi

And that's about it as far as the Hollie haters give, NO AMOUNT OF PROOF of anything , just attacks against anyone that shows support for Robert Green and Hollie and Anne.

"Hollie haters"?

Wow.

[filfar]

Looking at evidence does not mean I hate Hollie, Robert or Anne.

Deciding what to think for myself does not make me hate anyone.

Wanting to know the truth of a situation does not make me hate or attack anyone jimmi

[jimmi]

There may be more appropriate terminology, but that'll do for brevity if not total accuracy.

[jimmi]

Originally Posted by filfar

Looking at evidence does not mean I hate Hollie, Robert or Anne.

Deciding what to think for myself does not make me hate anyone.

Wanting to know the truth of a situation does not make me hate or attack anyone jimmi

So what made you write that last post of yours that I quoted ?
'cos that sure felt like an attack to me.

[the baron]

Originally Posted by jimmi

And that's about it as far as the Hollie haters give, NO AMOUNT OF PROOF of anything , just attacks against anyone that shows support for Robert Green and Hollie and Anne.

Jimmi - take a look at posts 532, 533, 534 & 535.

A debate is not an attack. Myself and a few others on this thrwead want to have a debate about the facts of the Hollie Greig case which we have presented repeatedly. The fact that you and others do not engage in this debate and make childish comments about "Hollie haters" just adds to the growing feeling that the Hollie Greig Cult have no arguments of their own to substantiate the allegations that Hollie was the victim of a paedophile ring.

[the baron]

Originally Posted by jimmi

What evidence is there that Anne Greig is a paranoid schizophrenic ?

As a footnote to his enquiries Superintendent J noted that he was aware that the complainer had provided an association chart to the force detailing her perceived connections between the individuals X named as her abusers. He stated that in this chart reference was made to Detective Sergeant F having contact with Person U in the context of a local pantomime and living in the same area as her. Superintendent J noted that a short statement was taken from Person U who advised that she had never met Detective Sergeant F prior to, or subsequent to, him noting a statement from her in the course of his enquiries. She also stated that whilst she had never performed in pantomime with him, she was in pantomime with an ex-police officer. Superintendent J stated that this officer has not featured in any of the complainer’s concerns. He also noted that Detective Sergeant F did not live in the same area as Person U.

[filfar]

Originally Posted by jimmi

So what made you write that last post of yours that I quoted ?
'cos that sure felt like an attack to me.

I prefer the term whistleblower ... for accuracy

and I'm sorry if you felt it was an attack, I didn't intend it to be so

I have been attacked and called vicious names and for that reason I don't attack people on the internet, I know how powerful slander can be ... it can also be a huge waste of time fighting online

but I am interested in discussion and as I have been someone who has supported Anne Hollie and Robert over 2 years and have slowly come to conclusions about the case myself (and with the help of others) I am interested in peoples perceptions of the HG case

[the baron]

Originally Posted by jimmi

There may be more appropriate terminology, but that'll do for brevity if not total accuracy.

Sums up the attitude of the majority of people who still believe in the allegations about a paedophile ring. They have no interest in "total accuracy" - it is purely an emotional appeal not backed up by hard evidence.

[filfar]

A wider question now maybe how are the 'leaders' such as Brian Gerrish, David Icke, Roger Hayes, Bill Maloney going to react - as far as I know they have been made aware of evidence (or lack of) (I don't know if Bill has)

These are the people that have promoted the HG case, along with Belinda, Carl Sims and Ian Parker-Joseph, and tied it in with there own particular views on what is happening in the world.

Will they be able to look again at the case with impartiality? How will they spin it? Do they have concerns about Anne's mental health? They have already become quiet on the subject ...

[jimmi]

Which would all sound reasonable enough to the casual visitor to this site, BUT

My perception is that suddenly, as soon as Robert Green's release is announced, along with the increased interest that that good news brought....

....a sudden increase in posts of a negative nature...in regard to Robert, Hollie and Anne........and also attacks directed extremely personally against myself and others that are being persistently referred to as a cult.....

Seems to me like someone somewhere is really scared......scared of what might happen if more people listen to whatever Robert Green has to say when he is released from a prison that he should never have seen the inside of.....

Someone somewhere is really scared.......and if Robert Green comes safely out of jail....with witnesses to the fact ...trustworthy witnesses mind you...

And if Robert Green says he wants a quiet life after the debacle that those that should know better have forced him into enduring....and not only him but his family ...his family that love and care for him.....and have been caused to worry for his safety and security while in the hands of an increasingly obvious regime that cares nothing for the individual.......that's you and me if your attention span has allowed you to read this far

If Robert Green doesn't want or need my support then so be it ....

...If there is any humble pie that should deservedly be served to me then I will eat willingly

.....But let the not so casual visitor make sure that they read all that is on here.....and just a few pages back the same people that are telling you that I am argumentative, am in a cult, have a frozen mind..etc...etc....etfincetera....

are calling Down's Syndrome people..."mongoloid".........really?...

I'm trying real hard to hold on to some dignity .....but it sure as heck feels like being dragged down to their level.

[godspeed]

Originally Posted by the baron

Let me explain how society functions Dolores.

The job of the police is to investigate cases where there is some evidence of a crime. Anne Greig was unable to present any credible evidence to the police hence they did not investigate.

The PCCS is an independent body which investigates complaints against the police. They found that the police acted properly in their dealings with Anne Greig.

The Sheriff Court in Scotland tries cases including those of "Breach of the Peace" where an individual causes "fear and alarm" such as when Robert Green named people as paedophiles and rape victims based solely on the word of Anne Greig without attempting to solicit their opinions.

The media are independent of the government and they regularly expose miscarriages of justice and corruption cases. Many media organisations, including the BBC, have looked at the Hollie Greig case but concluded that it does just not add up.

Individuals, often suffering from problems of their own, are free to post on internet forums no matter how detached from reality their views are.

Your either a cop.......cock......or brainwashed knob

now do one.......woe.......HHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHA AAAAAAAAAA

[filfar]

I agree that it would be interesting to see what Robert says on his release but according to his non harassment order he is not meant to talk about it, so I won't be encouraging him as I don't want to see him locked up again.

[the baron]

Originally Posted by jimmi

Which would all sound reasonable enough to the casual visitor to this site, BUT

My perception is that suddenly, as soon as Robert Green's release is announced, along with the increased interest that that good news brought....

....a sudden increase in posts of a negative nature...in regard to Robert, Hollie and Anne........and also attacks directed extremely personally against myself and others that are being persistently referred to as a cult.....

Seems to me like someone somewhere is really scared......scared of what might happen if more people listen to whatever Robert Green has to say when he is released from a prison that he should never have seen the inside of.....

Someone somewhere is really scared.......and if Robert Green comes safely out of jail....with witnesses to the fact ...trustworthy witnesses mind you...

And if Robert Green says he wants a quiet life after the debacle that those that should know better have forced him into enduring....and not only him but his family ...his family that love and care for him.....and have been caused to worry for his safety and security while in the hands of an increasingly obvious regime that cares nothing for the individual.......that's you and me if your attention span has allowed you to read this far

If Robert Green doesn't want or need my support then so be it ....

...If there is any humble pie that should deservedly be served to me then I will eat willingly

.....But let the not so casual visitor make sure that they read all that is on here.....and just a few pages back the same people that are telling you that I am argumentative, am in a cult, have a frozen mind..etc...etc....etfincetera....

are calling Down's Syndrome people..."mongoloid".........really?...

I'm trying real hard to hold on to some dignity .....but it sure as heck feels like being dragged down to their level.

Long on paranoid conspiracy theories, short on hard facts which might suggest Hollie was the victim of a paedophile ring.

[the baron]

Originally Posted by godspeed

Your either a cop.......cock......or brainwashed knob

now do one.......woe.......HHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHA AAAAAAAAAA

Thanks Godspeed. You have perfectly encapsulated the intelligence and maturity of the average follower of the Hollie Greig Cult.

[the baron]

Originally Posted by filfar

I agree that it would be interesting to see what Robert says on his release but according to his non harassment order he is not meant to talk about it, so I won't be encouraging him as I don't want to see him locked up again.

Filfar - I would point out that the non-harassment order simply prohibits Robert Green from repeating allegations of sexual abuse and murder against certain individuals. There is nothing to prevent him apologising to them.

[filfar]

ok baron thanks for that - I am even more curious now to see the outcome.

when I was in Stonehaven at his trial I felt there should have been some point when he said sorry for naming names, at that time I was unsure if they were guilty or not but I felt that it was certainly not the right way to go about proving guilt.

He never did say sorry and I have learned since that he has even less proof that he professed to have when he named them in the first place

I am gutted about the whole thing - so - when I am called a troll, shill, MI5, pedo-protector, 'working for the gang', etc. it is meaningless to me

[the baron]

The only course of action which Robert Green could take to preserve any integrity would be to express his regret at having named people as paedophiles and rape victims without having spoken to them.

It would be an act of extreme cowardice to attempt to use the non-harassment order as an excuse for not doing this.

His choice is to either do the right thing, both for the people he named and his own family, or to bury his head in the sand and pursue celebrity status in the thoroughly discredited "truth movement".

[uprising]

Originally Posted by filfar

ok baron thanks for that - I am even more curious now to see the outcome.

when I was in Stonehaven at his trial I felt there should have been some point when he said sorry for naming names, at that time I was unsure if they were guilty or not but I felt that it was certainly not the right way to go about proving guilt.

He never did say sorry and I have learned since that he has even less proof that he professed to have when he named them in the first place

I am gutted about the whole thing - so - when I am called a troll, shill, MI5, pedo-protector, 'working for the gang', etc. it is meaningless to me

What impelled you to attend the court?

I wouldn't say sorry to someone I thought to be a Paedophile in a corrupt Scottish court or any other for that matter.