Robert Green imprisoned for 1 year - Page 30

freemefast · 02-05-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dolores1

"Facts are stubborn things;
and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
- John Adams

Hollie was paid compensation - FACT!

Yes because Anne badgered them.

Have you seen proof of this payout by the way?

dolores1 · 02-05-2012, 02:18 AM

Ha ha ha ha, is that the best you can reply?

iq_145 · 02-05-2012, 02:38 AM

It seems to me that Hollie Grieg should be kept away from all of this. It has gone on too long, and it is beginning to look like some sort of vengeful ego-trip for many 'supporters', oblivious to the best interests of Hollie.

The accused have been tried and convicted without any real knowledge of what, if anything, went on and without any defence, or probing questions of the alleged victim, being even conceivable to the merry band of accusers.

When Robert comes out of prison, I think that he should seriously reassess the claims that he has been making, distancing himself from any further harassment of people he has apparently never even solicited comments from. He is a nice man, with the courage of his convictions, but he is perhaps misguided, and has, perhaps, been misled to a greater or lesser extent in this. Personally, I would want to be no part of a witch-hunt.

dolores1 · 02-05-2012, 02:59 AM

When he wrote to me he affirmed the truth!

You want him to reassess the truth?

Quote "Personally, I would want to be no part of a witch-hunt."
Neither would I. This has been going on many years and if it was simple why are these "people" spending so much to bury the truth?

Nothing is ever finished until it is finished correctly - like the Titanic story It won't go away until the truth is out!

P.S. In my posts please tell me who have I accused? I have asked for a simple straight foreward investigation? Who have I witch hunted?

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iq_145 · 02-05-2012, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dolores1

When he wrote to me he affirmed the truth!

You want him to reassess the truth?

Quote "Personally, I would want to be no part of a witch-hunt."
Neither would I. This has been going on many years and if it was simple why are these "people" spending so much to bury the truth?

Nothing is ever finished until it is finished correctly - like the Titanic story It won't go away until the truth is out!

P.S. In my posts please tell me who have I accused? I have asked for a simple straight foreward investigation? Who have I witch hunted?

.

You are clearly not after "a simple straight foreward investigation," or you would not have put the word 'people' in quotation marks. It therefore appears that your mind is already firmly made up. Hence you claimed that Robert "affirmed the truth" to you, as if you alone know what the truth is in all of this.

P.S. Do not take this so personally. I was not actually addressing you in particular.

dolores1 · 02-05-2012, 03:41 AM

Then to whom are your remarks addressed please?

uprising · 02-05-2012, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemefast

Yes because Anne badgered them.

Have you seen proof of this payout by the way?

Is anyone denying that the compensation was paid?

http://holliedemandsjustice.org/cont...on-news-today/
"A Google Hollie Greig poster featured briefly but unmistakably in the first few seconds of tonight’s BBC1 News at 10 broadcast, in which the items to be covered were flagged up.

Then 2 more Hollie placards again showed up on BBC News London Today’s coverage of the protest demo outside the Independent Police Complaints Commission headquarters in High Holborn, of which members of Hollie’s army were participants and the current spokesperson for Hollie’s campaign for justice addressed the crowd, citing of course the Police Complaints Commission Scotland as being more within the sights of this campaign but there are strong issues with English police treatment of Hollie and her mother since they have been resident in Shropshire England, and with that meted out to their key supporters in cross-border raids in which English police collaborated with Scottish police."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007mplc The placards can be seen on 1.17 ish on iplayer via this link.

freemefast · 02-05-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dolores1

Ha ha ha ha, is that the best you can reply?

No but it's sufficient.

Where there is no prosecution they work on the balance of probabilities.

Sadly, children being abused by family members is too common in the UK. Couple these accusations with Anne's tenacity and duplicity; she badgered them.

But then where is the proof that they paid out?

freemefast · 02-05-2012, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uprising

Is anyone denying that the compensation was paid?

Yes. Me until I see the proof.

uprising · 02-05-2012, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemefast

Yes because Anne badgered them.

Have you seen proof of this payout by the way?

You stated they paid out because Anne badgered them.
If you have proof of that then you have proof that they paid out. Or at least the proof Anne badgered them? Please share.
If I badger them also will I get £13,500?

freemefast · 02-05-2012, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uprising

You stated they paid out because Anne badgered them.
If you have proof of that then you have proof that they paid out. Or at least the proof Anne badgered them? Please share.

No I don't. One point followed the other. What I told you was the most likely explanation for the payout.

Do you have any other grounds to support this hoax? Seems you are running out of steam.

jimmi · 02-05-2012, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemefast

No I don't. One point followed the other. What I told you was the most likely explanation for the payout.

Do you have any other grounds to support this hoax? Seems you are running out of steam.

Another cop out, you are showing yourself as a troll!

You say that compensation was paid...claiming that there was no reason for it,

then you say that you don't believe that compensation was paid !

You are here to cause trouble, a troll.

freemefast · 02-05-2012, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmi

Another cop out, you are showing yourself as a troll!

You say that compensation was paid...claiming that there was no reason for it,

then you say that you don't believe that compensation was paid !

You are here to cause trouble, a troll.

No. Again I meant that would be the most likely reason. I then posited that perhaps there was no compo yet that's all you two have to cling on to.

You are trolling. I am staying to answer the questions you are just trying to nit pick.

If you had anything compelling you would have discussed that too yet you seem to bang the same old drum.

uprising · 02-05-2012, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemefast

No. Again I meant that would be the most likely reason. I then posited that perhaps there was no compo yet that's all you two have to cling on to.

You are trolling. I am staying to answer the questions you are just trying to nit pick.

If you had anything compelling you would have discussed that too yet you seem to bang the same old drum.

For me the most compelling thing is that the alleged abusers ( outside the family) were not even questioned about any of the allegations, all they did were background checks.
Was it a case of "they're not on the offenders register so we'll not bother talking to them even" ?

If Anne/Hollie is making it all up or not, the way the case has and is being handled needs a close looking at.

I'm not too hung up on the compensation.

It was pretty much accepted by the authorities that she had been abused, but they say they didn't have reason to investigate further (nothing showed up in the background checks), I think Hollie would still qualify for a payment even if the culprit/s are not prosecuted. I could be wrong.

freemefast · 02-05-2012, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uprising

For me the most compelling thing is that the alleged abusers ( outside the family) were not even questioned about any of the allegations, all they did were background checks.
Was it a case of "they're not on the offenders register so we'll not bother talking to them even" ?

If Anne/Hollie is making it all up or not, the way the case has and is being handled needs a close looking at.

I'm not too hung up on the compensation.

It was pretty much accepted by the authorities that she had been abused, but they say they didn't have reason to investigate further (nothing showed up in the background checks), I think Hollie would still qualify for a payment even if the culprit/s are not prosecuted. I could be wrong.

During the background checks they found that some of the alleged victims were not even born at the time of the alleged offences.
One family link was false too.

Why would they question people if the allegations made by Anne were so off base and she had a history of paranoid schizophrenia?

Furthermore, all were questioned again in 2010. No evidence.

jimmi · 02-05-2012, 04:15 PM

What evidence is there that Anne Greig is a paranoid schizophrenic ?

uprising · 02-05-2012, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemefast

During the background checks they found that some of the alleged victims were not even born at the time of the alleged offences.
One family link was false too.

Why would they question people if the allegations made by Anne were so off base and she had a history of paranoid schizophrenia?

Furthermore, all were questioned again in 2010. No evidence.

Any proof?

freemefast · 02-05-2012, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmi

What evidence is there that Anne Greig is a paranoid schizophrenic ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by uprising

Any proof?

http://robertgreenandthemissingpieces.blogspot.co.uk/
http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.co.uk/

And read the PCCS report.

jimmi · 02-05-2012, 05:19 PM

No proof then!

I won't click on a link to site that is untrustworthy, so what proof have you got?

filfar · 02-05-2012, 05:43 PM

alright jimmi
you've had your bit of fun, namecalling, having a wee barnie on the forums etc.

It would seem NO AMOUNT of proof presented to you is going to change your frozen mind, the only thing left is for you to find things out for yourself, do you want to or are you happy with your current mindset?

There are some very big questions about big topics within the HG case ie; child abuse, reporting of child abuse, freedom of speech, mental heath, libel, slander, bullying, internet freedoms and more

can you be so sure of what you have been told - to not want to find out further?

02-05-2012, 02:18 AM	#582
dolores1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the hill and round the bend Posts: 12,241	Ha ha ha ha, is that the best you can reply? __________________ When you know who you're not allowed to criticize, you know who is in control! Points taken!

02-05-2012, 02:38 AM	#583
iq_145 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Trapped in a body. Posts: 1,729	It seems to me that Hollie Grieg should be kept away from all of this. It has gone on too long, and it is beginning to look like some sort of vengeful ego-trip for many 'supporters', oblivious to the best interests of Hollie. The accused have been tried and convicted without any real knowledge of what, if anything, went on and without any defence, or probing questions of the alleged victim, being even conceivable to the merry band of accusers. When Robert comes out of prison, I think that he should seriously reassess the claims that he has been making, distancing himself from any further harassment of people he has apparently never even solicited comments from. He is a nice man, with the courage of his convictions, but he is perhaps misguided, and has, perhaps, been misled to a greater or lesser extent in this. Personally, I would want to be no part of a witch-hunt. __________________ The Titanic never sank, it was the Olympic that the Jesuits sank in the North Atlantic.

02-05-2012, 02:59 AM	#584
dolores1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the hill and round the bend Posts: 12,241	When he wrote to me he affirmed the truth! You want him to reassess the truth? Quote "Personally, I would want to be no part of a witch-hunt." Neither would I. This has been going on many years and if it was simple why are these "people" spending so much to bury the truth? Nothing is ever finished until it is finished correctly - like the Titanic story It won't go away until the truth is out! P.S. In my posts please tell me who have I accused? I have asked for a simple straight foreward investigation? Who have I witch hunted? . __________________ When you know who you're not allowed to criticize, you know who is in control! Points taken!

02-05-2012, 03:41 AM	#586
dolores1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the hill and round the bend Posts: 12,241	Then to whom are your remarks addressed please? __________________ When you know who you're not allowed to criticize, you know who is in control! Points taken!

02-05-2012, 04:15 PM	#596
jimmi Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,976	What evidence is there that Anne Greig is a paranoid schizophrenic ? __________________ You're nothing on this forum until the trolls start misquoting you in their signatures

02-05-2012, 05:19 PM	#599
jimmi Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,976	No proof then! I won't click on a link to site that is untrustworthy, so what proof have you got? __________________ You're nothing on this forum until the trolls start misquoting you in their signatures

02-05-2012, 05:43 PM	#600
filfar Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 155	alright jimmi you've had your bit of fun, namecalling, having a wee barnie on the forums etc. It would seem NO AMOUNT of proof presented to you is going to change your frozen mind, the only thing left is for you to find things out for yourself, do you want to or are you happy with your current mindset? There are some very big questions about big topics within the HG case ie; child abuse, reporting of child abuse, freedom of speech, mental heath, libel, slander, bullying, internet freedoms and more can you be so sure of what you have been told - to not want to find out further?