talking to people about the issues... not so easy?

[soylentgreen]

Hello... this is my first post.
I have been aware of chemtrails for several years now (and aware of MANY other things in this messed up world!) so recently I have focused my efforts mostly on the chemtrail issues. I am ready to become active (actually I am so pissed off I want to scream!) but I know it can be tricky approaching people with these ideas, so I am careful about saying too much. Many friends are interested, but I have found that "too much-too soon" can really backfire. Example: a very close friend was interested in the topic of chemtrails, not quite convinced but starting to believe. Then I told him more and suddenly something happened that freaked me out. His brain couldn't accept this... like it was TOO SCARY, and he shut out the idea entirely. He no longer believed at all and does not want to hear any more about it. In fact, one night the moon was up (after heavy chemtrail activity) and it had a hazy halo around it. He looked up and said "it's so beautiful!" I didn't even respond (I wanted to puke) because I knew I had already lost him and anymore talk about it would be a waste of time. I almost had him... then that brain defense response happened. Crap in food and water is bad enough, but when it's in the air there is no avoiding it, and this is why people tend to shut down because it is too much to accept. Has anyone had similar experience trying to talk to people? Any advice about how approach people with these idea? Or should I go out and scream to the world "look up... don't you see... what's wrong with this picture... are you all so f'n blind and oblivious!?"

[rbl_4nik8r]

And what is your guess that is in the chemtrails and do you have proof of these things in chemtrails?

Alot of what you see can be explained, but it gets slippery real quick here, you have people that believe everything is a chemtrail, and that thousands of drones fly thru the sky's everyday spraying the world. Then you also got some that believe every contrail is a chemtrail. Oh you also have the few that believe aliens are spraying junk, and you now have the Morgellon Disease crew that believe that planes spray heavy metals like Barium and Aluminium and other crap but when it hits the skin it makes nanofibers or nanobots to make implants on your body.

Oh yea we have lots of loons around here and if its been posted on another site or someone made a YouTube video its real and that's there proof. Personally I want to make my own site with all kind of bullshit statistics about everything that don't make sense or for the people that lack common sense and see how long before people link to it. Oh and trust me they will because someone will believe it maybe even you. Oh an welcome to the forums and I do hope you find what your looking for.



4nE

[moving finger]

They might have just as low an opinion of you. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't their opinion isn't valid.

[tzlr_17]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

n fact, one night the moon was up (after heavy chemtrail activity) and it had a hazy halo around it. He looked up and said "it's so beautiful!" I didn't even respond (I wanted to puke) because I knew I had already lost him and anymore talk about it would be a waste of time.

Moon halos are beautiful, and have been for thousands of years - a bit like rainbows really.

[blahblah]

It is difficult to get people to accept this spraying is going on and it's even more difficult on this forum - as you can read there a a few posters here that are in complete denial that this is happening above their heads.

[rbl_4nik8r]

Originally Posted by blahblah

It is difficult to get people to accept this spraying is going on and it's even more difficult on this forum - as you can read there a a few posters here that are in complete denial that this is happening above their heads.

Not really in denial about it, more like I understand the science behind contrails, and they are just a type of cloud. I do believe we are being polluted by many of factory's out there, but I don't see massive amounts of drones spraying shit. I have flow many of time in the past 40 years matter of fact I am going back to the eastcoast for a week at the end of March and Dominican Republic in the summer for 2 weeks and I will be flying. The thing is you have around 10,000 planes in the air above the USA each day and your going to see contrails from them DUH!!!!


4nE

[blahblah]

You are more than welcome to come to Manchester UK and check the skies here.

Am sure you may have a different outlook once you see the amount of spraying going on here.

Am not gonna go into the 'con'trail/chemtrail issue, but one look at the sky here and you will see the shit that goes on.

One major point I have noticed is why do these drones (I believe them to be remotely controlled aircraft due to the manoeuvres and mad directions and the shapes the trails form in the sky), have no markings on them?

Pure silver or grey and they differ in size/shape? No logos or markings on them whatsoever - just a thought?

[tzlr_17]

Originally Posted by blahblah

Pure silver or grey and they differ in size/shape? No logos or markings on them whatsoever - just a thought?

Do you have a photo that shows this? I've looked myself but all I saw was normal commercial aircraft with the usual markings, this is one of the main reasons I'm more and more sceptical about chemtrails.

[john connor]

Originally Posted by tzlr_17

Do you have a photo that shows this? I've looked myself but all I saw was normal commercial aircraft with the usual markings, this is one of the main reasons I'm more and more sceptical about chemtrails.

I'll post pics of Drones (again) later today, BTW RBL 4nik you have still not commented on the pics and post I put in the UK thread

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...12128&page=162

Lets hope your trip to the Dom Rep is not on one of the 'planes' that left the CONtrails in the pics.

Ironic name Soylent, good movie, I don't bother trying to wake anyone up anymore, you cannot save everyone, be aware and look after yourself

[bacnchee]

n fact, one night the moon was up (after heavy chemtrail activity) and it had a hazy halo around it. He looked up and said "it's so beautiful!" I didn't even respond (I wanted to puke) because I knew I had already lost him and anymore talk about it would be a waste of time.

Originally Posted by tzlr_17

Moon halos are beautiful, and have been for thousands of years - a bit like rainbows really.

I agree with OPs frustration, and feel im in a pretty similar scenario. thankfully, i was able to step out of the constant work school sleep repeat schedule for close to a year and start seeing the supporting evidence for many of todays out of the norm theories for myself. regarding the trails in this case, theres a big difference in going outside, gettin in your car, and being off to wherever youre already late for and briefly seeing a blue blob above you you already know is the sky; and walking outside, glancing up at the sky, casually throwing your board in the truck, getting ready for a nice relaxing day at the mountain, taking a moment to appreciate the beautiful day and clear blue sky, then realizing theres a bunch of shit in it, day after day after day.

i too have tried to convey some of my newfound information to those friends that i think have an open mind, or at least be more appreciative than just ridicule and not give it so much as a tic of critical or even open thought. the moon halo reminded me of one that i think i was able to flip a switch in, at least i think.

i agree with tzl bout the halos occurring previously thru natural phenomena, and being beautiful sights, sights that stick in your head because its something "you dont see every day". its not something that i would ever think a lay person could predict.

after associating the frequency of moon halos with the heavy spraying i was seeing at the time, id attempt to predict early in the evening when these halos would occur. on days of intensive trails extending past sundown, early in the evening id try to predict these halos occurring and mention to a friend, hey, check out the moon tonight, bet you see a big ass halo around it. while i wasnt spot on every time, i think the multiple times i was successful helped open a little door to give the idea a fighting chance. two morals, noone likes to be preached at; i couldnt stand sitting in school having a boring instructor lecture me about this and that. and if you can find a way, use the evidence to your advantage, present it in a different and more appealing way i guess..regards

[soylentgreen]

as I mentioned, this was my first post... not just on this forum, but first time on any chemtrail forum. I was very dissappointed when rbl 4nik8r responded, but knew if I was patient some real responses would show up. To rbl: don't waste your time (and mine) trying to convince me of anything! I am quite sure about my beliefs on this issue, just trying to sort out the details. I have always been into nature and astronomy, so always looking up at the sky. That's actually the problem... most people don't look up much (too busy looking at cell phones, ect I guess) To blahblah: thanks for the reply. you actually brought up exactly what I want to know (what kinds of planes they are) will look for photos after this post. To john conner: thanks for the comment on my username... same goes to you. I just got "what in the world are they spraying?" and can't wait to watch the whole thing (skipped thru for a quick sampling) This video seems to be just what the doctor ordered... will pass it along to as many others as possible, including my skeptical friend.

[btrayd]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

as I mentioned, this was my first post... not just on this forum, but first time on any chemtrail forum. I was very dissappointed when rbl 4nik8r responded, but knew if I was patient some real responses would show up. To rbl: don't waste your time (and mine) trying to convince me of anything! I am quite sure about my beliefs on this issue, just trying to sort out the details. I have always been into nature and astronomy, so always looking up at the sky. That's actually the problem... most people don't look up much (too busy looking at cell phones, ect I guess) To blahblah: thanks for the reply. you actually brought up exactly what I want to know (what kinds of planes they are) will look for photos after this post. To john conner: thanks for the comment on my username... same goes to you. I just got "what in the world are they spraying?" and can't wait to watch the whole thing (skipped thru for a quick sampling) This video seems to be just what the doctor ordered... will pass it along to as many others as possible, including my skeptical friend.

It is very easy to find those on this forum who "try" to sound impartial(within their own agenda) and imply that those who do not follow the official story-they're contrails- are somehow foolish and paranoid. I gave up on them. You can produce the patent #s for the machines doing the spraying, the chemical formulas that have been broken down (as far as possible) from air captured, photos of them being sprayed without dissipating for hours on end, and any number of admissions to the fact that they are spraying. It won't matter. Don't let it get you down.

Sometimes, I will lurk and if any side of a discussion brings up a point (pro or con) which I had not considered, I will investigate but many times it is just not worth dealing with the "debunkers". Not due to a lack of confidence in any evidence available but rather that the evidence won't matter to them. I will thank them politely but will not be engaged in a discussion by them. (And any debunkers-if you consider this a cop out--fine by me, I don't care, do not bother to address me)

Again don't worry about them, and welcome.

[whatsinaname]

It seems fitting to post the video again.

Chemtrails - Total Proof As 8 Planes Fly Together - YouTube

Chemtrails - Total Proof As 8 Planes Fly Together - YouTube

[john connor]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

as I mentioned, this was my first post... not just on this forum, but first time on any chemtrail forum. I was very dissappointed when rbl 4nik8r responded, but knew if I was patient some real responses would show up. To rbl: don't waste your time (and mine) trying to convince me of anything! I am quite sure about my beliefs on this issue, just trying to sort out the details. I have always been into nature and astronomy, so always looking up at the sky. That's actually the problem... most people don't look up much (too busy looking at cell phones, ect I guess) To blahblah: thanks for the reply. you actually brought up exactly what I want to know (what kinds of planes they are) will look for photos after this post. To john conner: thanks for the comment on my username... same goes to you. I just got "what in the world are they spraying?" and can't wait to watch the whole thing (skipped thru for a quick sampling) This video seems to be just what the doctor ordered... will pass it along to as many others as possible, including my skeptical friend.

Try "don't talk about the weather" - filmed in the NW of England - a good intro for those that don't look up, easy to download,

[martg]

Originally Posted by btrayd

It is very easy to find those on this forum who "try" to sound impartial(within their own agenda) and imply that those who do not follow the official story-they're contrails- are somehow foolish and paranoid. I gave up on them. You can produce the patent #s for the machines doing the spraying, the chemical formulas that have been broken down (as far as possible) from air captured, photos of them being sprayed without dissipating for hours on end, and any number of admissions to the fact that they are spraying. It won't matter. Don't let it get you down.

Sometimes, I will lurk and if any side of a discussion brings up a point (pro or con) which I had not considered, I will investigate but many times it is just not worth dealing with the "debunkers". Not due to a lack of confidence in any evidence available but rather that the evidence won't matter to them. I will thank them politely but will not be engaged in a discussion by them. (And any debunkers-if you consider this a cop out--fine by me, I don't care, do not bother to address me)

Again don't worry about them, and welcome.

so true, and as soon as I saw this thread my first thought was that they would be quick to reply to this one.

[rbl_4nik8r]

Originally Posted by john connor

I'll post pics of Drones (again) later today, BTW RBL 4nik you have still not commented on the pics and post I put in the UK thread

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...12128&page=162

Lets hope your trip to the Dom Rep is not on one of the 'planes' that left the CONtrails in the pics.

Ironic name Soylent, good movie, I don't bother trying to wake anyone up anymore, you cannot save everyone, be aware and look after yourself

Sorry not seen that post I will get back to that this week sometime, as for the video in here wow yep I have to agree I never seen anything like that, and I can't say what it is, my guess they are Military and if I saw shit like that everyday yes I would be asking questions.

To the OP believe what you want I don't have all the answers, but I do know somethings about clouds, I watch storms and chase them and have been doing so for over 20+ years. I understand how clouds are made and what needs to be in place to make supercells or thunderstorms. Where I live the humidity is low and contrails disappear soon after they leave the jet, BUT at times they do stay in the sky for hours. Now for what its worth it takes s few things for a contrail to form.

1. Planes above 26,000 feet.
2. Temperature below -40°F
3. Humidity above 50%

Why do they stay in the sky for hours, well above 30,000 feet the winds are very light less then 5 miles per hour in most cases. So unless you have a front coming thru the odds are they can stay there all day. I have seen days like that even here but most of the time here you have Cirrus Clouds either above or below the contrail this means you have humidity at the upper levels of the atmosphere.

There are also programs that display all air traffic that's had a flight plane filed, they have them for smartphones and PC's not sure about Mac's. The thing is if you see planes above you the apps can tell you where they came from and where they are going. If you see shit like what's in the video I would have been all over that and wanting to know who they were and where they came from and where they are going.



4nE

[rexypoo]

Originally Posted by whatsinaname

It seems fitting to post the video again.


Chemtrails - Total Proof As 8 Planes Fly Together - YouTube

HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have never seen that formation with THAT many planes before. If people still remain in denial after watching that video then there is no hope for them. Move on and don't waste your time.

[tzlr_17]

Originally Posted by rexypoo

I have never seen that formation with THAT many planes before. If people still remain in denial after watching that video then there is no hope for them. Move on and don't waste your time.

In denial of what exactly? What is the video showing?

[rexypoo]

At the very least, that video shows that there's something suspicious going on up in the sky. And even if it doesn't prove that they are chem trails, it at least proves that the flight patterns are not normal. THAT should be enough for someone to want to investigate it further, and if it doesn't then they are a lost cause.

[imbreeze]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

Hello... this is my first post.
I have been aware of chemtrails for several years now (and aware of MANY other things in this messed up world!) so recently I have focused my efforts mostly on the chemtrail issues. I am ready to become active (actually I am so pissed off I want to scream!) but I know it can be tricky approaching people with these ideas, so I am careful about saying too much. Many friends are interested, but I have found that "too much-too soon" can really backfire. Example: a very close friend was interested in the topic of chemtrails, not quite convinced but starting to believe. Then I told him more and suddenly something happened that freaked me out. His brain couldn't accept this... like it was TOO SCARY, and he shut out the idea entirely. He no longer believed at all and does not want to hear any more about it. In fact, one night the moon was up (after heavy chemtrail activity) and it had a hazy halo around it. He looked up and said "it's so beautiful!" I didn't even respond (I wanted to puke) because I knew I had already lost him and anymore talk about it would be a waste of time. I almost had him... then that brain defense response happened. Crap in food and water is bad enough, but when it's in the air there is no avoiding it, and this is why people tend to shut down because it is too much to accept. Has anyone had similar experience trying to talk to people? Any advice about how approach people with these idea? Or should I go out and scream to the world "look up... don't you see... what's wrong with this picture... are you all so f'n blind and oblivious!?"

Now, I keep an open mind on mostly everything I deal with, in what ever form it may be in.

I've looked into it and done alot of my own research and there is just nothing to convince me it is real. I believe in alot of other things people may consider crazy, but chemtrails is just not one of them. There is the bug spraying, which I honestly feel is exactly that also - bug spray. Some may argue that there are chemicals in there -- I mean, theres chemicals in bug spray, shampoo soap and everything else in the world also. I just dont see any concrete proof supporting this.

Here in new york on the news today, a community in manhattan is fighting a proprosal to build a garbage dump right next to a playground. I would think that if there was any credibility to this "chemtrail" theory considering how many people believe in it -- that this would have been exposed. What can the powers that be really do to prevent something like that from being exposed? We are talking about contaminating the ENTIRE planet here, including the people who lay the chem trails and their families, if they exist.

You say you felt digusted after your friend said look at how beautiful it is, but one could also counteract that with the same feelings towards you. I'm not trying to insult you by the way, I'm just saying there isn't an ounce of credibility in the theory other than the fact that planes leave lines in the sky (some more visible than others depending on weather conditions,plane type ect.) and always have.