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Old 14-02-2012, 01:22 AM   #1
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Default Illuminati Symbols: The Caduceus, Hermes Staff

Look closely at the sex organ of Baphomet, this is the Caduceus, or the Staff of Hermes.

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It is important to note, why the Illuminati replaced the Rod_of_Asclepius, the tradional Greek symbol of the medicinal arts, with the staff of Hermes, on the US army Medical symbols.

; The Rod of Asclepius

Watch this video, to learn that this is a MALEVOLENT symbol, in it's intent, it means our medical industry is meant, to KILL US, instead of help us.


Also, notice the DOUBLE HELIX, or the symbol, associated with BAPHOMET'S PENIS. The two snakes represent REPTILIAN DNA.


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Old 14-02-2012, 01:34 AM   #2
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Bert Seelman on Vaccines...

Vaccines and Flu shots... the realities, dangers, and damage they can cause

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Old 14-02-2012, 02:03 AM   #3
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Also, notice the DOUBLE HELIX, or the symbol, associated with BAPHOMET'S PENIS. The two snakes represent REPTILIAN DNA.

Not necessarily. It could be metaphorical, like a lot of symbolism, related to early observation of Astronomical objects.


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The serpent is one of the oldest and most widespread mythological symbols. Snakes have been associated with some of the oldest rituals known to humankind and represent dual expression of good and evil.


The Sumerian deity, Ningizzida, is accompanied by two gryphons; it is the oldest known image of two snakes coiling around an axial rod, dating from before 2000 BCE.

Ningishzida is the earliest known symbol of snakes twining around an axial rod. It predates the Caduceus of Hermes, the Rod of Asclepius and the staff of Moses by more than a millennium.

One Greek myth of origin of the caduceus is part of the story of Tiresias, who found two snakes copulating and killed the female with his staff.

Astrologically, Ningishzida was associated with the constellation we know as Hydra.

Hydra is the largest of the 88 modern constellations, measuring 1303 square degrees. It has a long history, having been included among the 48 constellations listed by the 2nd century astronomer Ptolemy.

It is commonly represented as a water snake.

The Greek constellation of Hydra is an adaptation of a Babylonian constellation: the MUL.APIN includes a "serpent" constellation (MUL.DINGIR.MUŠ) that loosely corresponds to Hydra.

It is one of two Babylonian "serpent" constellations (the other being the origin of the Greek Serpens), a mythological hybrid of serpent, lion and bird.

The shape of Hydra resembles a twisting snake, and features as such in some Greek myths.

One myth associates it with a water snake that a crow served Apollo in a cup when it was sent to fetch water; Apollo saw through the fraud, and angrily cast the crow, cup, and snake, into the sky.

Equivalents

In Chinese astronomy, the stars that correspond to Hydra are located within the Vermilion Bird and the Azure Dragon. In Japanese culture, the stars are known as Nuriko.

Era of gods
Cosmogony and cosmology
See also: Greek primordial gods and Family tree of the Greek gods

"Myths of origin" or "creation myths" represent an attempt to render the universe comprehensible in human terms and explain the origin of the world.

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References:

Ian Ridpath and Wil Tirion (2007). Stars and Planets Guide, Collins, London. ISBN 978-0007251209. Princeton University Press, Princeton. ISBN 978-0691135564.

Sumerian.org Q&A#20 (Ningishzida)

Ningishzidda's journey to the netherworld on ETCSL

Ira Maurice Price, Notes on the Pantheon of the Gudean Cylinders, The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. 17, No. 1 (Oct., 1900), pp. 47-53 http://www.jstor.org/stable/528092

Sumerian Mythology: Chapter II. Myths of Origins

Turner, Frederick. Natural Religion. Transaction Publishers. ISBN 0765803321

Klatt-Brazouski, Ancient Greek and Roman Mythology, 10.

Apollon, Python

The Spiritual Technology of Ancient Egypt p223

Savior, Satan, and Serpent: The Duality of a Symbol in the Scriptures



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MEXICAN COAT OF ARMS


^ Horus cult/pantheism replacing serpent cult in meso-america? Maybe, im no expert though.

The birds on the coat of arms in that video are representations/stylised versions of Horus / phoenix.


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It is important to note, why the Illuminati replaced the Rod_of_Asclepius, the tradional Greek symbol of the medicinal arts, with the staff of Hermes, on the US army Medical symbols.
That is consistent with Horus/Isis Egyptian symbolism / Occult symbolism being used in many places in addition to or replacing other symbolism, like the mexican coat of arms for example.

If its got wings, chances are it is a stylised depiction of Egyptian solar deities such as Horus and Isis.



And again some of these seem to be comparative mythology to Sumerian / Babylonian "gods"

Which some researchers say are metaphors for early human observation of Astronomical / Celestial objects. Horus is the sun god for example.


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Era of gods
Cosmogony and cosmology
See also: Greek primordial gods and Family tree of the Greek gods

"Myths of origin" or "creation myths" represent an attempt to render the universe comprehensible in human terms and explain the origin of the world.
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Old 14-02-2012, 02:37 AM   #4
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More on Asclepius & Hermes:

Asclepius (an ancient greek physician deified as the god of medicine) is traditionally depicted as a bearded man wearing a robe that leaves his chest uncovered and holding a staff with his sacred single serpent coiled around it, (example right) symbolizing renewal of youth as the serpent casts off its skin.

The single serpent staff also appears on a Sumerian vase of c. 2000 B.C. representing the healing god Ningishita, the prototype of the Greek Asklepios.

However, there is a more practical origin postulated which makes sense [See Dracunculus medinensis].


Dracunculus medinensis is a nematode that causes dracunculiasis.

Dracunculiasis, also known as Guinea worm disease, is caused by the large female nematode, Dracunculus medinensis, which is among the longest nematodes infecting humans.

Treatment

The traditional technique which involves winding the worm out on a stick has been a treatment used successfully for centuries.

This treatment is memorialized in one of the modern symbols of Medicine, the Rod of Asclepius.

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Old 14-02-2012, 02:47 AM   #5
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MERCURY / HERMES

Recorded observations of Mercury date back to at least the first millennium BC. Before the 4th century BC, Greek astronomers believed the planet to be two separate objects: one visible only at sunrise, which they called Apollo; the other visible only at sunset, which they called Hermes.

The English name for the planet comes from the Romans, who named it after the Roman god Mercury, which they equated with the Greek Hermes (Ἑρμῆς).

The astronomical symbol for Mercury is a stylized version of Hermes' caduceus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(planet)



The Caduceus of Hermes

The Greek Hermes found his analogue in Egypt as the ancient Wisdom god Thoth, as Taaut of the Phoenicians and in Rome as the god Mercury (all linked with a magic rod with twin snakes).


The mythical origin of his magic twin serpent caduceus is described in the story of Tiresias. Poulenc, in "Les Mamelles de Tiresias" (The Breasts of Tiresias) tells how Tiresias--the seer who was so unhelpful to Oepidus and Family- found two snakes copulating, and to separate them stuck his staff between them.


Immediately he was turned into a woman, and remained so for seven years, until he was able to repeat his action, and change back to male. The transformative power in this story, strong enough to completely reverse even physical polarities of male and female, comes from the union of the two serpents, passed on by the wand. Tiresias' staff, complete with serpents, was later passed on to Hermes.


Occult Hermetic Connection: An occult description of the Caduceus of Hermes (Mercury) is that the serpents may represent positive and negative kundalini as it moves through the chakras and around the spine (the staff) to the head where it communicates with MIND by intellection, the domain of Mercury [wings].


Caduceus Power Wand: This wand is sold at occult, new age & witchcraft stores such as Abaxion with descriptions such as "It's central phallic rod represents the potentiality of the masculine, and is initmately surrounded by the writhing, woven shakti energies of two coupling serpents.


The rod also represents the spine [sushumna] while the serpents conduct spiritual currents [pranas] along the ida and pingala channels in a double helix pattern from the chakra at the base of the spine up to the pineal gland".


According to occultists, there are three principal nadis (Sanskrit for channel) in the human body. The sushumna (the spinal column through which the life-forces flow), by which means we enter and leave the body, the Ida (refreshment and stimulation of spirit), which is associated with the higher mind or manas and the Pingala, (reddish-brown), associated with kama or the force of desire. (G. de Purucker "Man in Evolution" ch. 15 & 16; and "Fountain-Source of Occultism", pp. 458-63).


Hermetic: There are few names to which more diverse persons and disciplines lay claim than the term "Hermetic". Alchemists have applied the adjective "Hermetic" to their art, while magicians (not the entertaining type) attach the name to their ceremonies of evocation and invocation. Followers of Meister Eckhart, Raymond Lull, Paracelsus, Jacob Boehme, and most recently Valentin Tomberg are joined by academic scholars of esoterica, all of whom attach the word "Hermetic" to their activities.


The most abiding impact of Hermeticism on Western culture came about by way of the heterodox mystical, or occult, tradition. Renaissance occultism, with its alchemy, astrology, ceremonial magic, and occult medicine, became saturated with the teachings of the Hermetic books. This content has remained a permanent part of the occult transmissions of the West, and, along with Gnosticism and Neoplatonism, represents the foundation of all the major Western occult currents.


Hermetic elements are demonstrably present in the Rosicrucian and Theosophical movements.


The caduceus as a Medical symbol: The link between Hermes and his caduceus and medicine seems to have arisen by Hermes links with alchemy. Alchemists were referred to as the sons of Hermes, as Hermetists or Hermeticists and as "practitioners of the hermetic arts". By the end of the sixteenth century, the study of alchemy included not only medicine and pharmaceuticals but chemistry, mining and metallurgy.


Despite learned opinion that it is the single snake staff of Asclepius that is the proper symbol of medicine, many medical groups have adopted the twin serpent caduceus of Hermes or Mercury as a medical symbol during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.


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It is important to note, why the Illuminati replaced the Rod_of_Asclepius, the tradional Greek symbol of the medicinal arts, with the staff of Hermes, on the US army Medical symbols.

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The caduceus, the traditional symbol of Hermes featuring two snakes around an often winged staff, is often mistakenly used as a symbol of medicine instead of the Rod of Asclepius, especially in the United States of America.

The two-snake caduceus design has ancient and consistent associations with commerce, eloquence, trickery and negotiation.

Association of the caduceus with medicine can be traced to the Renaissance, where it was often associated with alchemy and wisdom.

The modern use of the caduceus as a symbol of medicine became established in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century as a result of documented mistakes, misunderstandings and confusion.

I doubt it was confusion, i agree with the guy in the video about that, and its real meaning, plus occult meanings that have come about.

But you can read what they say about the 'confusion' here...

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The two-snake caduceus design has ancient and consistent associations with commerce, eloquence, trickery and negotiation.

Yeah, I'm sure it was really a mistake, an insignia they put on millions of items.

And it's just a coincidence, that medicine in America is all about commerce, eloquence, trickery and negotiation?
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Watch the video, to understand the meaning of the 6 pointed star.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tALfd82-SIw

Watch the video, to understand the meaning of the 6 pointed star.
Yes my conclusion also.

It all traces back to worship of Celestial / Astronomical objects.

All of it.


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Astronomy is a natural science that deals with the study of celestial objects (such as stars, planets, comets, nebulae, star clusters and galaxies) and phenomena that originate outside the atmosphere of Earth (such as cosmic background radiation).

Astronomy is one of the oldest sciences. Prehistoric cultures left behind astronomical artifacts such as the Egyptian monuments, Nubian monuments and Stonehenge.

Early civilizations such as the Babylonians, Greeks, Chinese, Indians, Iranians and Maya performed methodical observations of the night sky.

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Ancient Egyptian Astronomy
Astronomical Worship

The Egyptian gods and goddesses were numerous and are pictured in many paintings and murals. Certain gods were seen in the constellations, and others were represented by actual astronomical bodies.

The constellation Orion, for instance, represented Osiris, who was the god of death, rebirth, and the afterlife. The Milky Way represented the sky goddess Nut giving birth to the sun god Ra. In the picture below, Nut is shown bending over the Egyptians.

The stars in Egyptian mythology were represented by the goddess of writing, Seshat, while the Moon was either Thoth, the god of wisdom and writing, or Khons, a child moon god.

The horizon was extremely important to the Egyptians, since it was here that the Sun appeared and disappeared daily. A hymn to the Sun god Ra shows this reverance: 'O Ra! In thine egg, radiant in thy disk, shining forth from the horizon, swimming over the steel firmament.' The Sun itself was represented by several gods, depending on its position.

A rising morning Sun was Horus, the divine child of Osiris and Isis. The noon Sun was Ra because of its incredible strength. The evening Sun became Atum, the creator god who lifted pharoahs from their tombs to the stars.

The red color of the Sun at sunset was considered to be the blood from the Sun god as he died. After the Sun had set, it became Osiris, god of death and rebirth. In this way, night was associated with death and day with life or rebirth.

Astronomy for Practical Uses


The center of Egyptian civilization was the Nile River, which flooded every year at the same time and provided rich soil for agriculture.

The Egyptian astronomers, who were actually priests, recognized that the flooding always occurred at the summer solstice, which was also when the bright star Sirius rose before the Sun. The priests were therefore able to predict the annual flooding, which made them quite powerful.

Many Egyptian buildings were built with an astronomical orientation. The temples and pyramids were constructed in relation to the stars, zodiac, and constellations.

In different cities, the buildings had different orientations based on the specific religion of that place. For instance, some temples were constructed to align with a star that either rose or set at harvest or sowing time.

Others were oriented toward the solstices or equinoxes. As early as 4000 B.C., temples were built so that sunlight entered a room at only one precise time of the year.

An alternative building method was to gradually narrow successive doors into a specific room, in order to concentrate the sunbeams onto a god's image on the wall. The designs sometimes became quite complex. At the temple of Medinet Habu, there are actually two buildings which are slightly off-kilter. It has been suggested that the second one was built when the altitude of the other temple's orientation stars changed over a long period of time.

http://www.starteachastronomy.com/egyptian.html

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"do what thou wilt" = Luciferian Principle


Luciferianism is centered around Lucifer, the bringer of light (enlightenment).

Enlightenment = Illumined (see Bill Coopers work on the Mystery Schools)

Illumined = Illuminati.

Luciferian Principles


*The Luciferian is free to do as he wishes while accepting the consequences.

*The Luciferian is a person who strives for wealth, and lives in prosperity.

*The Luciferian accepts his carnal primordial nature as it is, and glorifies it.

= "do what thou wilt"

More on Luciferian Principles: http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=198061
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Any idea where this photo was taken?

There must be some significance to the event for her to choose to wear the symbol so prominently.
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Any idea where this photo was taken?

There must be some significance to the event for her to choose to wear the symbol so prominently.
CHOGM 2011.

So QEII was in Oz when she donned the Horus couture.
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one thing for sure, these people worshipped the mystery of life, where totally enthralled by it, to the core of their consciousness, they thirsted for knowledge with an insatiable lust.

Most people are mindless dullards, only concerned with petty politics of bullying you with their SUV's, or coveting and jealousy of eachother's possessions. If you dare try and share any knowledge with them, they take it as an insult, to suggest you know something they don't and will viciously attack you.

These are what the masses are, for the most part. Barely conscious animals, who in reality despise life and really wish they were dead. They basically live to feed their mouths and piss on other people.

Even on the internet, where they could instantly look up and verify or research what you are saying, 70% of them would rather mock and insult you, rather than acquire the knowledge you were kindly offering.

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Not necessarily. It could be metaphorical, like a lot of symbolism, related to early observation of Astronomical objects.


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The serpent is one of the oldest and most widespread mythological symbols. Snakes have been associated with some of the oldest rituals known to humankind and represent dual expression of good and evil.


The Sumerian deity, Ningizzida, is accompanied by two gryphons; it is the oldest known image of two snakes coiling around an axial rod, dating from before 2000 BCE.

Ningishzida is the earliest known symbol of snakes twining around an axial rod. It predates the Caduceus of Hermes, the Rod of Asclepius and the staff of Moses by more than a millennium.

One Greek myth of origin of the caduceus is part of the story of Tiresias, who found two snakes copulating and killed the female with his staff.

Astrologically, Ningishzida was associated with the constellation we know as Hydra.

Hydra is the largest of the 88 modern constellations, measuring 1303 square degrees. It has a long history, having been included among the 48 constellations listed by the 2nd century astronomer Ptolemy.




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The guys in "thunderbolts of the gods" speculate the double helix could also represent an electric current travelling in plasma.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90301316220374
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@tinyint im watching it now.

EDIT: Watched it, thanks for posting.
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If St. Peter's square was build to be a sun calendar, that hardly proves Christianity was a myth, which is what these anti-christ morons seem to love to suggest. I would say it was just done out of a public service, something commonly built, to tell time, the time of day as well as the time of year. They didn't have watches back then.

Here is a good video, I mean sculptors often have to make something up, try to be creative, sometimes they are guided by the gods, or spirits, sometimes they are trying to get it done on time.


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The guys in "thunderbolts of the gods" speculate the double helix could also represent an electric current travelling in plasma.
Yeah but using it as Baphomet's penis, where the sperm issues from, carrying the DNA, is a pretty direct assocation.

I am watching the thunderbolts of the gods, it's got some interesting ideas.

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They aren't 'illuminati symbols', they're ancient Egyptian and Sumerian. Also, these symbols only took on negative connotations when they were adopted by the invaders of those ancient societies.
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Watch this video, to learn that this is a MALEVOLENT symbol, in it's intent, it means our medical industry is meant, to KILL US, instead of help us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwkDb...eature=related
Outside the White House there are statues of small sphinxes but that doesn't make the original sphinx malevolent.
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the sphynx is a message from the gods, to be kind to animals, for they are sometimes possessed by advanced spirits. If you harm an animal while it is being inhabited by an angel, you will be cursed.

There are also sphynxes guarding the entrance to the Sistine chapel in the Vatican, they are everywhere.

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yeah this thunderbolt of the gods video disproves Einstein, this pretty much explains Cosmology. Hard to believe they are still pushing this Einstein garbage everywhere.

This is a logical, understandable explanation, subatomic currents in space, it explains everything very beautifully. I always knew Einstein's theory was completely idiotic.

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