The Animals That You Eat Are Conscious Beings

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

...all of them.
as far as occult and magickal matters, you do not know your arse from a hole in the ground.

What all of them, what magical. I told you what I think about magicians and magic and where it came from and I showed you with a dictionary that you are wrong. I simply gave my opinion, if you happen to like it or not then that is your opinion. I also don;t agree on you opinion but you don't see me catching fire do you ? I think your opinion is invalid.

We are on a different topic on this thread, it really shows me if you carried this flaming thing all the way here to derail the whole current thread then you got a problem buddy.

If you are a inflamed take an aspirin.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

What all of them, what magical. I told you what I think about magicians and magic and where it came from and I showed you with a dictionary that you are wrong. I simply gave my opinion, if you happen to like it or not then that is your opinion. I also don;t agree on you opinion but you don't see me catching fire do you ? I think your opinion is invalid.

We are on a different topic on this thread, it really shows me if you carried this flaming thing all the way here to derail the whole current thread then you got a problem buddy.

If you are a inflamed take an aspirin.

for someone who claims to rarely give opinions, you sure give a lot of them.
in canada we have a saying....
opinions are like assholes. everyone has one.

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

for someone who claims to rarely give opinions, you sure give a lot of them.
in canada we have a saying....
opinions are like assholes. everyone has one.

I hardly post maybe once or twice a day usualy. It's a forum, it's what people do here post opinions.

opinions are like assholes. everyone has one.

You are clearly sadden from my opinions , it's clear that you are all flamed up.
You won't get very far with quotes like: assholes have opinions. You just made all the members on the forum assholes according to you since they all post opinions

You derailed the whole topic on this thread because of your suffering, you you you "thread terrorists"

[robbyblade]

This is a health/nutrition section of the forums.

This section is not about the ethics of humans eating other animals.

Animals eat other animals for HEALTH reasons.

The OP should discuss this shit somewhere else.

[plam]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

Well you have a point, not really, everyone needs a chance, why hurt the predator if it's no longer a predator. But if the predator wants to still hurt others what alternative does nature have ? it is the cause of the problem.



Love is a interpretable word, How about I LOVE CHICKEN ? how does that sound ? see how love can be used in so many things so that there are different kinds of love. Of course when one says he loves chicken it talks about how good chicken tastes. There is a strange connection to this because it's why we love others, because of how they taste in essence ?

So I think we should take notice when our love hurts others, or kills them.
You can't love people with force if they don't want it. Your love for the animal causes suffering to it and pain, while you are happy the chicken is not.


I can understand survival but reproduce what ? the same mechanical order that serves no purpose at all.
Survival does not depend on meat eating just look around you at people,.




It was noted by someone else also that you claim things that don't exist, you are doing it again. What claims or opinions about the occult have I made that were BS

I await your great reply,
What did I say that was BS about the occult ? Point it out and underline it admiral.

You might be a nice person and all that
but I'll just say to you - you've lost it, mate!

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by plam

You might be a nice person and all that
but I'll just say to you - you've lost it, mate!

It's how things taste, it's why we love them, everything is like taste.
You do love chicken when you eat it don't you ?

Have you not stated what a lovely cup of wine, it tastes lovely!!!
Love hurts bad, and it kills when a predator does it. The looser always gives love and the predator takes it. This brings me to our debate, It is the truth with eating meat, it's really the same, those that get love feel good at the cost of those that give it and end up broken.

In other words your meet consuming hapines comes at a cost of the animals life and suffering, you do feel the love joy when you eat it, it's the truth, it feels good. There is always someone giving and someone taking. Consuming the chicken is just another form of this red love. In fact the red flesh you have is like your heart, they are all made of meat and are red.

I have not lost it, you just do not see the big picture of how meat eating is so wrong in concept, I have made an example out of it, it's like a broken relation ship between two pairs, one gives and the other takes.

[plam]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

I have not lost it, you just do not see the big picture of how meat eating is so wrong in concept, I have made an example out of it, it's like a broken relation ship between two pairs, one gives and the other takes.

Read this and you'll see why I believe you've lost it.
The squatter has taken over the house!

[lotusrose]

what about those animals that eat other animals..

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by thex1138

Don't think so? Think they were "meant for food"? No, they're much more than merely lumps of meat that can walk around and breathe. Check the video.

http://www.monalle.com/elephant-artist/

It's far more unnatural for an elephant to be confined and forced to draw than for it to be eaten.

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by lotusrose

what about those animals that eat other animals..

It's simple, I have the answer for this. With ages passing some animals have developed an unnatural habit of eating other animals.

How can this be explain. We can take a look at humans that develop artificial means to go by. If humanity have developed things that are artificial, like how you eat your meal with a fork. The fork for example or the spoon is artificial.

It is the same with these animals that have develop eating other animals, but this rush toward artificiality has started millions of years ago.
Before cycles and cycles at the very start there were no predators.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

It's simple, I have the answer for this. With ages passing some animals have developed an unnatural habit of eating other animals.

so the tiger is unnatural when it eats a deer?

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

so the tiger is unnatural when it eats a deer?

I don't find animals eating other animals natural. Does it seem natural for you when you eat your food with a fork ? it does seem so, but it's not, eating with a fork is artificial.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

I don't find animals eating other animals natural. Does it seem natural for you when you eat your food with a fork ? it does seem so, but it's not, eating with a fork is artificial.

the fork is merely a tool.
what i eat, an omnivorous diet, is natural.

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

the fork is merely a tool.
what i eat, an omnivorous diet, is natural.

Well you got your opinion that it is natural, I find it that it is not.
I was saying about the fork as an example, so you may notice that eating with the fork seems natural since you have been doing it for so long. In fact so many things seem natural to us but they are not. I don't find meat consumption natural.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

Well you got your opinion that it is natural, I find it that it is not.
I was saying about the fork as an example, so you may notice that eating with the fork seems natural since you have been doing it for so long. In fact so many things seem natural to us but they are not. I don't find meat consumption natural.

where i live, we have about 8 months of winter and about 4 months of summer.
we have a short growing season.
the people that lived here for over 10,000 years, ate a lot of meat and fish.
they were/are hunter gathers.
they had to. there is no way it would be possible to live on a herb, veggie diet here, naturally.

[level42]

I think it is difficult for a person who has grown up as a meat-eater to suddenly change to a veggie eater!
I think I would prefer not to eat living things,and I do enjoy vegetarian dishes and vegetables.However,the alternative option is also usually much more expensive and however noble your mind and heart may be,if you haven't got the dosh,you cannot starve yourself and your family.
Also,if you were brought up eating meat it is hard not to desire and crave certain things and dishes even if you decide to go down the vegetarian route.
If alternatives were less expensive and more widely available perhaps more people would feel able to choose a different way to feed themselves and their family.But nobody should make someone else feel guilty over their choices either.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by level42

I think it is difficult for a person who has grown up as a meat-eater to suddenly change to a veggie eater!
.

pepsi believes, erroneously, that no animal is naturally a meat eater.

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by level42

I think it is difficult for a person who has grown up as a meat-eater to suddenly change to a veggie eater!

That is true, it takes time and it's a difficult task, meat eating is an addiction, just like smoking.

[bluehorseman]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

That is true, it takes time and it's a difficult task, meat eating is an addiction, just like smoking.

Yes this is true I had eaten meat for all my life up until a few months ago apart for a brief stint as a vegetarian in India and it was an addiction, I desired the flesh and the taste of blood. It was programmed in me I know it now because I no longer desire it, function without it and have thought a lot about why I liked it. I work in a physical job and don't feel weak from not eating flesh, my body actually functions better without it so you don't need it, most people just desire it.

[bluehorseman]

Originally Posted by level42

I think it is difficult for a person who has grown up as a meat-eater to suddenly change to a veggie eater!
I think I would prefer not to eat living things,and I do enjoy vegetarian dishes and vegetables.However,the alternative option is also usually much more expensive and however noble your mind and heart may be,if you haven't got the dosh,you cannot starve yourself and your family.
Also,if you were brought up eating meat it is hard not to desire and crave certain things and dishes even if you decide to go down the vegetarian route.
If alternatives were less expensive and more widely available perhaps more people would feel able to choose a different way to feed themselves and their family.But nobody should make someone else feel guilty over their choices either.

I was prepared to spend more when I became vegetarian because I really believe in it - I've eaten thousands of chickens and cows and just don't need to eat them any more it's not fair on the animals if I know I can live without harming them. Anyway I found that I ate less as a result and the food bill went down after a while and added to it we grow much of our food as well to supplement our diet so don't let the cost stop you from doing it, the kids are into it as well.