east timor media lies in mainstream media

[mashj50]

it's happening again folks the lies started immediately here in Australia on the mainstream media in relation to the assasination attempts in East Timor ,We and the rest of the world are being told Jose Ramos Horta was shot trying to stop a gunfight outside his house designed to assasinate him,and that somehow the rebel leader Alfredo” Reinado was shot in the exchange,supposedly leading the attack , so how does his body get out of the car into Jose Ramos's house ? ?? what his loyal trained military men panicked dumped it and fled ? doesn't make much sense does it ? then i read this little gem of information on a blog site called global voices
here is the link
http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/20...ded-in-attack/

that the rebel leader had been a guest of the president for a week !!

funny that no mention in the Australian media NOT ONE !

then there's this disturbing report from the ABC that UN Troops refused to help the bleeding President for over half an hour ,eventually the family and an ambulance came to his assistance.

it would appear that "THEY" wanted both of these men who were entering into some very intense negotiations and intellectual discussions wanted them BOTH dead.

UN police 'refused to help' injured Ramos Horta

Posted Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:08pm AEDT
Updated Tue Feb 12, 2008 0:33am AEDT
Mr Ramos Horta is now in a serious but stable condition in Royal Darwin Hospital.

East Timor's Government says United Nations forces failed to help President Jose Ramos Horta after he was shot in an assassination attempt in Dili this morning.

He was shot in the arm and stomach after fugitive rebel leader Alfredo Reinado launched a pre-dawn raid on his home.

Mr Ramos Horta is now in a serious but stable condition in Royal Darwin Hospital after being evacuated on a Careflight plane this afternoon.

He was sedated on the flight from Dili to Darwin and the hospital says he is suffering three gunshot wounds - two to the upper chest and one to the abdomen.

East Timor Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao, who was also attacked but escaped unharmed, has confirmed that Reinado was shot dead during the raid.

The country's Foreign Ministry has issued a statement which said that UN police stayed about 300 metres away from where Mr Ramos Horta was shot.

The Ministry says it was not until an ambulance arrived some time later that the injured President was taken to hospital.

Joao Carrascalao is the leader of the Timorese Democratic Union, and a member of the State Council.

The State Council, designed to advise in a state of emergency, is a 13-member panel made up of the President, Prime Minister and prominent East Timorese.

Mr Carrascalao told ABC Radio's PM that when UN police arrived at the scene of the attack they refused to help.

"I have to regret that we advised the United Nations Police who went to the scene but 300 metres before reaching there, they refused to proceed,' he said.

"The President was lying on the road and bleeding and already shot, and they refused to continue to give him assistance.

"It was finally the family and an ambulance from our hospital that went and rescued the President when he was more than half-an-hour bleeding and losing a lot of blood.

"The United Nations Police didn't take action until the Portuguese Generale got there.

"That's one of the worst things that could happen to this country; have police from everywhere, everyone within one system and mostly looking after themselves than looking after the situation here."

Mr Carrascalao says there will probably be some unrest in Dili in the aftermath of the attacks, but he does not think it will be serious.

"We start now hearing that groups that are sympathetic to Alfredo are roaming the streets of Dili but no incidents so far," he said.

"I hope that international forces, the stabilisation forces can control the situation, together with the FTTL.

"I certainly expect that for the next few days there will be some unrest here, although not very serious.

"But in the longer run I hope that the situation will calm down and will be resolved, because the main culprit of all this destabilisation is Alfredo and he's now laying dead after the shooting."

Mr Carrascalao says that while some may see Reinado as a martyr, he will soon be forgotten.

State of emergency

Mr Gusmao said earlier a state of emergency would come into force nationwide for at least 48 hours, but the declaration had to be formally approved by the acting head of state.

However in practical terms the curfew has begun, with no one on the streets, shops shuttered and Portuguese troops on patrol on several roads.

Mr Gusmao told East Timor's million-strong population in his statement that they should "be united in overcoming or passing this challenge that opposes our stability".

"Now we should remain together calmly in overcoming this moment," he said.

"I especially address myself to our youth, because I know that many of you are still feeling an urge to rebel.

"You should not imitate the evil deeds of an armed group which without justification wants to kill other people and damage the sovereignty and stability of the state."

below is the blog for you to read if you don't want to go to the site.

it seems

Bloggers based in East Timor wrote about this mornings attack on the president of East Timor, Jose Ramos Horta. The blogger at Diligence wrote

A friend who lives near the President’s home (about 5 kms east of the centre of Dili) called me at about 7am this morning to tell me that there was gunfire which had been going on for about 15 minutes. It appears the gunfight started at around 6:30am but perhaps the confrontation actually started earlier. Within 1/2 an hour, the security warnings apparatus came into play and it has been like that ever since.

Diligence has posted a map of the area where the attack took place.

Xanana Republic was the next blogger to mention the incident.

The ‘phones are ringing like billyo and SMS messages are ruling the airwaves right now. We heard about the attack at around 7.45am’ish, still then unconfirmed. As staff arrived we sent them home. Now we are getting ready for possible repercussions. If indeed Alfredo has been killed then we wonder how the boys in Dili, some of whom worship Alfredo as a freedom fighter, will react

The “Alfredo” Reinado that is blogger is referring was a high ranking soldier who has deserted the East Timorese army after 600 soldiers were sacked. The use of violence by the East Timorese military to quell a crowd of sacked soldiers and unemployed youth was cited as the reason for his desertion by Reinado. Reinado was arrested in July 26 but he escaped from prison a month later. An operation involving Australian commandos was launched in early 2007 to capture him. The manhunt was called off in April 2007 to facilitate dialogue with the rebel soldier.

Xanana Republic posted an update later in the day. The initial JRH refer to Jose Ramos Horta.

So far we have heard that JRH has been shot twice, with at least one round entering his abdomen. Apparently he underwent surgery here in Dili at the ISF hospital at the heliport. He will be/is being flown to Darwin for more treatment.

Re the attack on his house. As speculated earlier, it seems that the attack was carried out during JRH's normal morning walk/run. A friend who lives about 300 metres away reported a fire-fight occuring at about 0650 this morning. From various wires/radio sources it appears that two vehicles drove by and then opened fire. Radio Timor Leste is reporting that Alfredo Reinado was indeed killed in the shootout but rather than being an attacker he was in fact a guest at JRH's house and had been there for up to a week and ran out of the house during the attack to try and stop it.


How many bullet holes the three cars that had been ambushing Xanana Gusmao's convoy had, after the attack on Ramos-Horta, including the car which followed him, the one said to “have been completely destroyed”? Who fired on Ramos-Horta, found face down shot in the back on the street next to his front door? Because when he got there, Alfredo Reinado was already dead inside his home, in the garden, shot in the eye and in the hand … Too difficult questions to ask?

It now seems certain that he was shot and that he was taken to the Australian military hospital which is located at the heliport. Note that the heliport is NOT the airport which is some 5 kms on the western side of town. The heliport is also just west of town and NOT near to the President’s house but some 6kms across the other side of town.

I have heard ambulances but have no info on the ABC reports of up to 20 wounded or if Major Alfredo was amongst them or indeed killed, as reported.

Basically, this has put a lot of expats on hold until accurate information comes through and more importantly from a personal security point of view, what the reaction will be from the Timorese themselves. The average Joao in the street is keeping off the streets becasue they don’t really know what will happen next.

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Squatter said,

11 February, 2008 at 12:45 pm

I made the mistake of reading the ABC web site and read the reader comments. Unfortunately, several errors of fact.

There were 2 comments that I think need comment. One that Australia lead the UN presence - wrong ! The other that the OZ/NZ military ought to be embarrassed by this morning’s event.

The OZ/NZ military were invited by the Timorese government and do not do things without consultation. They were asked once to get Major Alfredo but failed. After that, the Timorese government have elected to go for consultation. On many occasions, they have known just where Alfredo is but I am not aware that they have been given the specific instruction to apprehend him since that failure.

The OZ/NZ military do not do static security of Timorese government officials or buildings. If any of that is deemed necessary, it is the UN police who do that. For months, the Timorese military have looked after the President and the President’s close protection security is all Timorese (as it was last Thursday morning). It has been the Timorese preference to move to doing as much of these day-to-day things as possible, leaving the OZ/NZ military as a reaction force and by their very presence, a stabilising influence.


http://wombathole.com/dili-gence/?p=404 link to map showing the presidents walk and blogs

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Thanks for the heads up mashj50..

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UN rejects 'coward' claim

The United Nations has again defended the conduct of its police in East Timor following claims that a UN roadblock prevented help getting to President Jose Ramos-Horta after he had been shot.

It has also rejected claims yesterday by Mr Ramos Horta's brother Arsenio, reported by The Age, that UN police were "cowards".

A spokeswoman at UN headquarters in New York said an investigation was underway into the actions of the police.

She added that the UN staff were not responsible for security in East Timor.

The spokeswoman later added, however, that UN police responded immediately to the shooting incident, arriving 18 minutes after the alarm was raised.

The president's home was 15 minutes travel time from the police station, she said.

Mr Ramos Horta had asked earlier that tighter international security be removed.

The UN spokeswoman said that action by UN police, who had "actively engaged shooters with long arms" had enabled Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao to escape from the rebels unarmed.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/...760539591.html

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Smiling rebel and President

EXCLUSIVE

THE two leaders smile for the camera after a lunch of goat, lamb and chicken, washed down with wine, having struck a peace deal that should have heartened East Timor's frail democracy.

One is the rebel leader Alfredo Reinado, who only weeks later would be killed in an attack on the home of the other man, President Jose Ramos-Horta, who was shot and is fighting for his life.

Their clandestine meeting on January 13 held out the prospect of a new dawn of national unity. But that hope, captured in the smiles for the camera, evaporated as surely as the mountain mist in the four weeks that followed.

Ramos-Horta, displaying the mettle of his Nobel peace prize, went unarmed and without security to the mountain village of Maubisse to talk through differences with the heavily protected Reinado, and to forge a deal that would have seen the army renegade and his rebels forgiven for alleged multiple murders and armed rebellion.

According to East Timor's Economics Minister, Joao Goncalves, the rendezvous was relaxed and friendly. The plan, brokered with the help of the Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue in Geneva, went like this: Reinado and his men would surrender to house arrest by New Zealand troops, be tried on the charges but pardoned under an amnesty that Ramos-Horta would declare on May 20, the sixth anniversary of independence for the world's poorest country.

"I suggested to Reinado it would be better for him to surrender immediately and submit himself to the court process so when he was granted amnesty, it looked as though he had submitted to justice," Goncalves told the Herald this week. He agreed, and a deal was essentially done. After the lunch they parted with a handshake, agreeing to meet again within days.

It all went awry, of course. Goncalves attributes Reinado's change of heart to the influence of a third hand. He is not saying whose, but Fretilin, which lost government at elections last year, has been accused of involvement, which it denies. A fake document accuses Fretilin of paying Reinado $10 million to assassinate both leaders, and the Herald has learnt that perhaps $1 million was given to Reinado supporters by shadowy figures.

Reinado's loathing had targeted Mari Alkatiri, prime minister in the former Fretilin government, but this was redirected weeks ago to the regime of Xanana Gusmao, also attacked on Monday.

Piece by piece, the jigsaw of events that brought East Timor's democracy to the precipice is taking shape. Paranoia and delusion are said to have taken a firmer grip on Reinado in his final days. Sources say this complex mix of buccaneer soldier and dedicated father and husband to two wives - one in Perth, the other in East Timor - became agitated at his apparently receding authority.

The former army officer saw himself as the rebel soldiers' commander, yet Gusmao had arranged a meeting with 600 disaffected and sacked soldiers, some loyal to Reinado's ally, Gastao Salsinha. A compensation offer of three years' salary or a return to the army threatened Reinado's support base.

Hermanprit Singh, the acting commissioner of the United Nations police contingent in East Timor - which has been criticised for alleged tardiness in responding to the attack on Ramos-Horta - said on Thursday it was too early to say whether abduction or assassination was the rebels' motive.

The conduct of the two groups targeting Gusmao suggests they had no plan to shoot him, at least immediately.

As with the raid on Ramos-Horta's thatched-roof house overlooking Dili Harbour, the rebels misjudged when their target would be at his mountaintop home above Dili.

When the second group ambushed Gusmao's car, they fired at his tyres, presumably intending to halt his escape. Gusmao escaped into jungle unharmed.

Earlier, Reinado and his group arrived at Ramos-Horta's home, but the President was on his routine beach walk with two guards. The rebels surprised three guards at the gate, rushed in and demanded the location of the presidential bedroom.

Meanwhile a fresh shift of guards arrived, and Reinado and one of his squad, Leopoldinho, were shot dead in a gun battle.

Ramos-Horta, alerted to the fracas, dashed home. It nearly cost him his life. Only a few metres from the gate, Reinado's men shot him and a guard, apparently out of fury at their own leader's death.

Plenty more Timorese are just as angry. Reinado was a cult hero to the country's disheartened unemployed youth, and there is no shortage of them. It was a reputation he nurtured.

In Reinado's warped world, he was the saviour of East Timor, and he came to Dili on Monday to bring down the one man of power who seemed genuinely committed to his rehabilitation.

The President did more than anybody to try to help Reinado, Goncalves said.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/wou...e#contentSwap1

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It seems to me that the UN are intent on having chaos reign supreme in East Timor, the poorest country in the world with one of the worlds largest gas reserves.

There is much more to this story than meets the eye, also wouldn't be surprised if the Jesuits aren't involved in this somehow as the have always played a big part in this country with it being a catholic and an ex Portuguese colony.

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Ramos Horta and Reinado had amnesty deal

THIS is the moment (right) when Jose Ramos Horta thought he had secured a peaceful future for East Timor. Standing on the steps of the ruins of an old Portuguese fort in East Timor's rugged mountains, the country's President smiles and shakes hands with rebel leader Alfredo Reinado on a secret deal that would see Reinado pardoned for murder and armed rebellion in an amnesty on May 20, the anniversary of East Timor gaining independence. The two men then sat down for a feast of goat, lamb and chicken, served with fine wines. They departed in high spirits.

"I'm off to a cockfight," Reinado said with a grin as he drove away.

Four weeks later Reinado, a cult hero figure to many young Timorese, is dead and Mr Ramos Horta is fighting for his life in Royal Darwin Hospital, suffering from gunshot wounds. Exclusive photographs of the men's meeting, obtained by The Age, show that Mr Ramos Horta went unarmed and unescorted to the fort.

Reinado, then East Timor's most wanted man, had secured it, his heavily armed men standing guard at strategic locations along the fort's crumbling walls.

The deal they struck included Reinado being put under house arrest, guarded by New Zealand troops as he faced court before the pardon that would also include his men.

But in the weeks after the meeting Reinado, who had been on the run for 17 months after leading a mass jail escape, became deeply paranoid and delusional and feared he was losing his authority.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/...760602680.html

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But in the weeks after the meeting Reinado, who had been on the run for 17 months after leading a mass jail escape, became deeply paranoid and delusional and feared he was losing his authority.

This last bit is a classic, what did they just pull this little piece of information out of their arse?!? Whats their source?

It's obvious that these two were after genuine peace in East Timor and that doesn't suit TPTB, they botch an assination and then try to feed us this bullshit story that Reinado changed his mind because he became paranoid.

Who do they think they're talking too ? Children ??

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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd will fly to East Timor this week after pledging to boost Australia's military presence in response to Monday's failed coup.
http://news.theage.com.au/rudd-commi...0211-1rjp.html

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Is Australia Playing Fairly in Negotiations?

A growing number of East Timorese believe that the Australian Government is displaying a lack of good faith in the maritime boundary negotiations.

Under normal circumstances, when a maritime boundary cannot be agreed by two countries, the matter can be referred to an independent umpire to make a determination – the International Court of Justice. However, when East Timor pointed out that it could seek to have the matter independently adjudicated by the International Court of Justice, the Australian Government formally withdrew from the dispute settlement procedures offered by the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea with respect to maritime boundary disputes.

This tactical manoeuvre, perceived by the East Timorese Government as an 'unfriendly act', has effectively removed any opportunity East Timor might have had for seeking an independent, third party resolution of the maritime boundary dispute. These actions left East Timor with no legal mechanism to establish its boundaries in the absence of cooperative negotiations from Australia.

This has led to growing claims that the Australian government has consistently obstructed any attempt to settle permanent seabed boundaries. Many observers fear that the Australian government will continue to delay negotiations to establish permanent boundaries within a reasonable amount of time because the current interim arrangements for revenue flows favour Australia at East Timor’s expense.

Central to this view is the estimated $30 billion revenue from the Greater Sunrise field, which would lie entirely within East Timor’s maritime boundaries under the UNCLOS median line principle. However, under the current interim arrangements, 82% of the revenue from the Greater Sunrise field goes to Australia and only 18% to East Timor.

More here..