Nudity

[lexferenda]

When one attains a certain level of understanding which comes from awareness of who one really is, it becomes easier to discern the meaning of events portrayed in Christian scripture.

Let's take a look at the fall of mankind.

When God created Adam and Eve, he pronounced them good. This does not mean that they were morally good. What this means is that their bodies were biologically perfect. The story of the fall of mankind tells us that Adam And Eve did something to ruin the perfection of their bodies (in scriptural terms, this ruination is thought of as a corruption that caused death and disease to enter the World).

When Adam and Eve realised that they had "broken" the wonderfull bodies God had given them, they hid their bodies from the sight of God because of what they had done to themselves, not because they realised they were naked. The shame they felt at ruining their perfect bodies drove them to desire the wearing of clothes, so that God could not see what they had done to their wonderfull bodies.

Nudity, then, is nothing to be ashamed of. No part of the body is considered to be shamefull to expose to the sight of God. God created our bodies, and he delights in the sight of us the way He intended us to be: as naked as the day we were born.

[del boca vista]

maybe the world he intended was so pure and void of personal opinion or ego or what have you, that being naked did not matter. there is no judgement or sense of being or feeling important, no classes or rank in trivial matters like what you wear. clothes = uniforms for humans?!

[zsymon]

Kinda cold without them though, so I doubt it has anything to do with uniforms,
but more with protection from the weather, sun and temperature on Earth.

It is also impossible for an entire species to come from just one couple, so I think
it's important that we view the story of Adam and Eve as metaphorically, and not
literally.

The human body has biological systems that physically discourage the intercourse
between brother and sister, and child and parent. One of these systems for example
is that they inherently do not like eachother's body scent.

If Adam and Eve have really existed, then that means mankind came forth from
mass incest, and mankind would have become extinct after only a few generations
due to the genetical failure that always follows continued inbreeding.

[rolf harris]

Damn it, came in this thread thinking there would be boobs....

[apollo_gnomon]

yeah. Nearly 300 views and only 3 replies?

[rbl_4nik8r]

Originally Posted by lexferenda

Nudity, then, is nothing to be ashamed of. No part of the body is considered to be shamefull to expose to the sight of God. God created our bodies, and he delights in the sight of us the way He intended us to be: as naked as the day we were born.

Then you should spend sometime on a nude beach, because some people should cover some parts of there body.

For ROFL (.Y.) or (oYo) OK maybe they are just eyes looking at you for wanting to see boobs.



4nE

[missx]

steven gough the naked rambler. What they have done to him is criminal.

This is what he looked like at his last miscarrage of justice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...ntral-14649394

and this is what he looked at the beginning in 2005
http://nakedwalk.org/index.php?optio...d=15&Itemid=33

Scottish justice for you. anyone that can walk naked in scotland deserves a friggen medal.

[ab origine]

Originally Posted by apollo_gnomon

yeah. Nearly 300 views and only 3 replies?

I humbly suggest people viewed the thread, perhaps hoping to see "boobs", got disappointed when there were none, got scared off at the mention of scripture and went to look for boobs elsewhere.

Interesting topic, nonetheless.

[elshaper]

I'd like to keep my clothes on right now because it's terribly cold

[jconnar]

Originally Posted by lexferenda

Nudity, then, is nothing to be ashamed of. No part of the body is considered to be shamefull to expose to the sight of God.

Little children are not ashamed of their bodies.

But what happens to those little children when they get older, they start getting programmed by society and its values. They start learning what is good or bad (eating from the tree) and then become embarrassed by their bodies because they start comparing to other bodies.

[rakkoo]

Whats that saying "if we are meant to be naked we would be born naked"

or somethign like it?

[octopusrex]

Originally Posted by lexferenda

When one attains a certain level of understanding which comes from awareness of who one really is, it becomes easier to discern the meaning of events portrayed in Christian scripture.

Let's take a look at the fall of mankind.

When God created Adam and Eve, he pronounced them good. This does not mean that they were morally good. What this means is that their bodies were biologically perfect. The story of the fall of mankind tells us that Adam And Eve did something to ruin the perfection of their bodies (in scriptural terms, this ruination is thought of as a corruption that caused death and disease to enter the World).

When Adam and Eve realised that they had "broken" the wonderfull bodies God had given them, they hid their bodies from the sight of God because of what they had done to themselves, not because they realised they were naked. The shame they felt at ruining their perfect bodies drove them to desire the wearing of clothes, so that God could not see what they had done to their wonderfull bodies.

Nudity, then, is nothing to be ashamed of. No part of the body is considered to be shamefull to expose to the sight of God. God created our bodies, and he delights in the sight of us the way He intended us to be: as naked as the day we were born.

When the spanish came to Cuba for the first time, they found some very peaceful, kind, non-money conscious naked people.

The spanish, offended by this nudity, brought them war, money and clothes.

[arcyclus]

Originally Posted by rbl_4nik8r

Then you should spend sometime on a nude beach, because some people should cover some parts of there body.

For ROFL (.Y.) or (oYo) OK maybe they are just eyes looking at you for wanting to see boobs.



4nE

I seen some of the most gad awful ugly shits I ever seen in my whole life at a nudist colony. No babes at all, just fat ugly shits who should have been wearing clothes......at least at the dinner table.

[tjohn]

Originally Posted by lexferenda

When one attains a certain level of understanding which comes from awareness of who one really is, it becomes easier to discern the meaning of events portrayed in Christian scripture.

Let's take a look at the fall of mankind.

When God created Adam and Eve, he pronounced them good. This does not mean that they were morally good. What this means is that their bodies were biologically perfect. The story of the fall of mankind tells us that Adam And Eve did something to ruin the perfection of their bodies (in scriptural terms, this ruination is thought of as a corruption that caused death and disease to enter the World).

After taking from the (symbolic) forbidden tree of "the knowledge of good and evil" 'God' said, "Now the man has become as (or like) us, knowing good and evil."

Question:
How can anyone become like God by disobedience and sin, or the 'fall' of wanting to know what is good and what is evil?

Answer:
It was gods that we became like, when Eve wanted enlightenment and so she took from the forbidden tree. She took the fruit which means the produce or the consequences of knowing and gave her understanding to Adam.


Question:
Why would 'God' not want us to be enlightened so as to be able to distinguish between good and evil?

Answer:
It was because 'God' wasn't God and they (plural) wanted us to be slaves for them - hence taking from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden but they did take from it and "the eyes of them both were opened."

I encourage Christians to read Genesis without their religious bias and interpretation...

When Adam and Eve realised that they had "broken" the wonderful bodies God had given them, they hid their bodies from the sight of God because of what they had done to themselves, not because they realised they were naked.

In all fairness, if we go by the bible that is, it says that they realised that they were naked and sewed fig leaves for themselves and put them on to cover themselves up. So, according to the bible they were ashamed of their nakedness but it was not not so in the begging.

The shame they felt at ruining their perfect bodies drove them to desire the wearing of clothes, so that God could not see what they had done to their wonderful bodies.

Which body parts are you talking about?

Nudity, then, is nothing to be ashamed of. No part of the body is considered to be shameful to expose to the sight of God. God created our bodies, and he delights in the sight of us the way He intended us to be: as naked as the day we were born.

I tend to agree and if it wasn't so cold outside and if the neighbours didn't mind, I would walk outside naked. I have been on nudist beaches and no-one was getting worked up and making a big fuss about it, no-one. I have also been in a mixed sauna which included men, women and children and no-one was ashamed of their body and no-one was making a fuss - for me it reminded me of when I was a kid and mother would put me in the bath with a sister and it was family like.

Sexual desire is all in the mind and we can learn to turn it off if we chose to do so. If we can't do that, it is because we are not used to seeing nakedness. I for one does not worry if my doctor wants to examine at my penis, if he or she, had a good reason for it - no erection, no bother and it is a matter of context.

[ftil]

I was wondering when we are going to have a thread about nudity.
On another forum, a few members opened two threads about public nudity in 4 months. Hot subject........or just programming.

FOUR workers managed to liven what would have been just another dull commute yesterday by travelling naked.

Passengers on the London Underground were shocked to see the men and women riding the escalator and Tube without clothes.

The foursome, who covered their modesty with handbags and briefcases, attracted stares and gasps but acted as if the nothing was out of the ordinary

They were out promoting a new TV series, The Naked Office, that shows workers at struggling companies turning their businesses around.

Despite it seeming a gimmick, Steven Suphi, a behaviour change specialist, said that there was merit in workers stripping off in the office.

"For most people in the UK going to work in the nude is a very daunting prospect," she told Britain's Daily Mail.

"I believe this extreme process will help them push their boundaries and become a close team that trust each other enough to get naked together." http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news12234.html

[mememe]

God still made them their first outfits so he didnīt want them going naked. And also, people that want to go around naked all the time are mostly just nutters and itīs not healthy for society. Iīm not trying to argue this, I know Iīm right and I also know that I wonīt change the minds of those who want to be in denial. But nakedness in the right places is not shameful, itīs the behavior of most of mankind that is.

I really like your explanation though, itīs probably right (about the ruined bodies)

[ftil]

Originally Posted by mememe

God still made them their first outfits so he didnīt want them going naked. And also, people that want to go around naked all the time are mostly just nutters and itīs not healthy for society. Iīm not trying to argue this, I know Iīm right and I also know that I wonīt change the minds of those who want to be in denial. But nakedness in the right places is not shameful, itīs the behavior of most of mankind that is.

I really like your explanation though, itīs probably right (about the ruined bodies)

I have found OP’s explanation.......hilarious. There is so much attack on the Bible but the Bible is useful when nudity can be promoted. I have already seen it.

[tjohn]

Originally Posted by mememe

God still made them their first outfits so he didnīt want them going naked.

Not according to the bible. Read http://bible.cc/genesis/3-7.htm

And also, people that want to go around naked all the time are mostly just nutters and itīs not healthy for society.

How do you come to that conclusion? It would be more healthy if people saw more nakedness on the streets without making a fuss and a big thing out of it.

Iīm not trying to argue this, I know Iīm right and I also know that I wonīt change the minds of those who want to be in denial.

I think that it is you that is in denial and I just proved from your bible that you don't really read it and have it wrong. Let it be as nature intended at the start. BTW, I'm not a christian any more and I'm sick of deception and lies in Religion.

But nakedness in the right places is not shameful, itīs the behavior of most of mankind that is.

I agree that it is not shameful but what is the right place for nakedness? You would say indoors only but why not outdoors as well (if it is warm enough!), while people are willing to accept it for what it is? When people get used to seeing nakedness they will we see each other as real humans. Or should people be waring a Burqa like (some) Muslim women do?

[tjohn]

Originally Posted by ftil

I was wondering when we are going to have a thread about nudity.
On another forum, a few members opened two threads about public nudity in 4 months. Hot subject........or just programming.

It could catch on.

[ftil]

Originally Posted by tjohn

I think that it is you that is in denial and I just proved from your bible that you don't really read it and have it wrong. Let it be as nature intended at the start. BTW, I'm not a christian any more and I'm sick of deception and lies in Religion.

I agree that it is not shameful but what is the right place for nakedness? You would say indoors only but why not outdoors as well (if it is warm enough!), while people are willing to accept it for what it is? When people get used to seeing nakedness they will we see each other as real humans. Or should people be waring a Burqa like (some) Muslim women do?

Oh, so people need to get used to seeing nakedness to see each other as real humans. What a bunch of crap. In your logic, seeing somebody’s breast, vagina, or penis means seeing true humanness and without seeing penis or vagina it is impossible to see humanness. You may believe that your penis is your identity and nothing else human has left but don't make assumptions that everybody is like you. I really believe in devolution.

Second, we leave in a culture where we are bombarded with images of violence and rape of women in movies. How convenient to escalate violence and rape of women..........there would be no excuse for women. After all, they were naked.........and they asked for it.

BTW, You are sick of deceptions and lies in religion but you are happy to accept the concept of nudity in the Bible.