Tavistock Founder Dies

hagbard_celine · 03-02-2008, 07:48 PM

http://www.oxfordmail.net/search/dis...ed_respect.php

Isobel Menzies-Lyth has died at the age of 90. She was one of the founders of the Tavistock Institute. She worked in the 1950's with the newly-formed NHS and did a lot of good work; it's mostly due to her that many of the modern children's hospitals were built and she supported the current policy of letting the parents stay at the hospital with their children.

I'm mentioning this because I knew her; she was one of my mum's best friends, in fact she was like a mother to her. I remember Isobel telling me that she remembers Rudolf Hess landing in Scotland! At the risk of being accused of speaking ill of the dead, I found her quite difficult sometimes due to our very different personalities. She got very angry with me once when I told her that I believed Diana's car crash was murder. She said: "You're views are totally divorced from reality!" At times she was completely unapproachable. She was a Freudian fundamentalist and Skeptic. I never got the chance to discuss my admiration for Wilhelm Reich with her, but I can guess what she would have said!

I doubt if she was an "insider" to what David says when he talks about the Tavistock Institute; if she was i think I'd be able to sense it. Deep down she was a kind lady who was a tower of strength for my mum.

Rest in Peace, Isobel.

rastamasta · 03-02-2008, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

Isobel Menzies-Lyth was one of the founders of the Tavistock Institute.

She was a Freudian fundamentalist and Skeptic.

Tell me why I'm not surprised by you saying she was Fraudist to the core.

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20

hagbard_celine · 03-02-2008, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rastamasta

Tell me why I'm not surprised by you saying she was Fraudist to the core.

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15-20

When you think how other Freudians have been employed by the govt into mind-manipulation schemes like Edward L Bernays. "The human mind is the battlefield of the 21st Century" is a quote I got from an article on psychotronics.

dangermouse · 03-02-2008, 11:59 PM

my heart bleeds

jp13 · 04-02-2008, 05:08 AM

I'm perplexed, this Tavistock institute you mention is it the same as The Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, based at Belsize lane, London NW3?
I would really like to know as I had a psychological evaluation before Christmas last year and when my G.P. showed me a copy of the report she said "This doesn't sound like you at all". I must admit I thought some of it was a bit extreme, especially the bit where it flags me up as someone who may need a section, but most of it I recognised as myself.

ravenswing · 04-02-2008, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

http://www.oxfordmail.net/search/dis...ed_respect.php

Isobel Menzies-Lyth has died at the age of 90. She was one of the founders of the Tavistock Institute. She worked in the 1950's with the newly-formed NHS and did a lot of good work; it's mostly due to her that many of the modern children's hospitals were built and she supported the current policy of letting the parents stay at the hospital with their children.

I'm mentioning this because I knew her; she was one of my mum's best friends, in fact she was like a mother to her. I remember Isobel telling me that she remembers Rudolf Hess landing in Scotland! At the risk of being accused of speaking ill of the dead, I found her quite difficult sometimes due to our very different personalities. She got very angry with me once when I told her that I believed Diana's car crash was murder. She said: "You're views are totally divorced from reality!" At times she was completely unapproachable. She was a Freudian fundamentalist and Skeptic. I never got the chance to discuss my admiration for Wilhelm Reich with her, but I can guess what she would have said!

I doubt if she was an "insider" to what David says when he talks about the Tavistock Institute; if she was i think I'd be able to sense it. Deep down she was a kind lady who was a tower of strength for my mum.

Rest in Peace, Isobel.

I do believe that no-one wakes up and thinks "how can I be evil today". People have been known to do the most terrible things to some whilst showing a loving face to others, they think the evil they do is "good". I am glad she was there for your mum Hagberd, I also hope she rests in peace.

chicken · 04-02-2008, 10:31 AM

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When you think how other Freudians have been employed by the govt into mind-manipulation schemes like Edward L Bernays. "The human mind is the battlefield of the 21st Century" is a quote I got from an article on psychotronics.

hagbard_celine

This is how I basically read it - how the freudians contributed to the "help" industry - which is in effect a lie! the word help does not exist, as they were the institution - The Tavistock - who participated in the development of "torture" - "how to break a human"

Do you believe in people being chipped and being "zapped" in the broad sense by these psychotronic weapons? Do they really exist in your opinion?

Chicken

chicken · 04-02-2008, 10:37 AM

jp13 wrote

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I'm perplexed, this Tavistock institute you mention is it the same as The Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, based at Belsize lane, London NW3?
I would really like to know as I had a psychological evaluation before Christmas last year and when my G.P. showed me a copy of the report she said "This doesn't sound like you at all". I must admit I thought some of it was a bit extreme, especially the bit where it flags me up as someone who may need a section, but most of it I recognised as myself.

yes jp13 - at one point the Tavistock Clinic was part of the Tavistock Institute - but it was joined to one of Britains Think Tanks. I can't remember when exactly - probably in the 40's if my memory serves me right - they seperated with The Tavistock Clinic joining the NHS.

The Tavistock Institute is the only institution which serves satanic ritual abuse cases here in the uk...... That tells one alot eh!!

Remember these guys are not what they seem where the psychological services are concerned.

chicken · 04-02-2008, 10:46 AM

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Notable people

R. D. Laing is one of the prominent psychiatrists who was associated with the Tavistock. Laing, who also served in the British Army Psychiatric Unit, became well known, and highly controversial, for his experimentation with LSD and his views on schizophrenia. Laing suggested that schizophrenia was not a "disease" but rather a state of radical privation[5].
John Rawlings Rees also worked at the Institute for several years prior to World War Two and became its Medical Director [6]. With his colleague William Sargant, he represented a school of psychiatry that stressed the analogy between mental problems and physical illness, consequently favouring physical treatments such as psychosurgery and shock therapy.
In the 1970s, the consultant psychiatrist Michael Fordham, editor of the English translations of the Collected Works of Carl Jung, worked at the Tavistock on mother-child observations.

The Tavistock was also a searching institute for army leaders and if my educated guessing serves me right then "Common Purpose" is the very same idea - but for todays society. So rather the military - we are now looking at the general public. So beware of the so called brainwashed leaders in the govt lead services.....

Chicken

bicycle · 04-02-2008, 10:57 AM

Who funded her?

rastamasta · 04-02-2008, 01:28 PM

Here's some more info on Sigmund Fraud

Freud & Cocaine

In 1884 Sigmund Freud was a young, obscure neurologist and not yet the pope of psychoanalysis. Freud found cocaine to be a solutions for his depression, chronic fatigue and other neurotic symptoms. Up until this point, cocaine had only been researched as a local anaesthetic, although the Germany army was studying its ability to make the user endure fatigue.

To put it mildly, Freud fell in love with cocaine. In a letter to his fiancee he wrote 'In my last severe depression I took coca again and a small dose lifted me to the heights in a wonderful fashion. I am now collecting the literature for a song of praise to this magical substance.' For all his enthusiasm, he made remarks that in retrospect look naive.

Freud had a love affair with cocaine and his evangelical attitude towards it probably made all the difference in its becoming a mainstream drug of choice today

Not only did he state that cocaine was not addictive, but that it could be used to cure alcohol and opium addiction. Nowadays powder cocaine and alcohol are abused in combination - as are crack cocaine and heroin, essentially refined opium.

Freud was paid by pharmaceutical giants like Merck and Parke Davies to endorse their rival brands of cocaine - so his self-experimentation may have led to a certain lack of objectivity.

Here's what he wrote in a letter to his Girlfriend Martha Bernay's

"I will kiss you quite red and feed you till you are plump. And if you are forward you shall see who is the stronger, a little girl who doesn’t eat enough or a big strong man with cocaine in his body.In my last serious depression I took coca again and a small dose lifted me to the heights in a wonderful fashion. I am just now collecting the literature for a song of praise to this magical substance."

Breaking Away From the Cult

By CAROL TAVRIS; CAROL TAVRIS, A SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGIST AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES, IS THE AUTHOR OF ''ANGER: THE MISUNDERSTOOD EMOTION.''
Published: October 21, 1990

When a friend of mine, a family therapist who earned her doctorate at the University of California, Berkeley, arrived at her first job at a psychoanalytic institute, she asked to see the evaluations in her file. Her new employer obliged. ''Dr. -- is clearly a skilled clinician,'' one colleague had written, ''in spite of her unmistakable signs of penis envy.'' The unmistakable signs were . . . her dangling earrings. Why would a woman wear jewelry that dangles if she did not envy the one thing in nature that dangles naturally?

Anyone who is not a psychoanalyst may be forgiven for thinking this story reveals more about the psychopathology of certain people with penises than of Berkeley students who follow earring fashion. But it is also a story that reveals the unbridgeable chasm between those who endorse and those who oppose the psychoanalytic world view. To believers, such interpretations are patently obvious, and those who demur are denying or repressing the truth. To nonbelievers, such interpretations are patently ludicrous, evidence of what the scientist Peter Medawar called the ''Olympian glibness'' of psychoanalytic theory.

This chasm will undoubtedly divide readers of ''Final Analysis,'' Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson's account of his determination to become a psychoanalyst and his subsequent journey into disillusion and disbelief. Mr. Masson is not just any man who became disenchanted with his profession or his religion (in this case, the same thing). He is the man who, through friendship with Anna Freud and her close associate Kurt Eissler, became in 1980 the projects director of the Sigmund Freud Archives, the sanctum sanctorum of the psychoanalytic establishment, the source of documents that had been sealed to the outside world until the next century. And he is the man who used many of these newly discovered materials to argue, in ''The Assault on Truth,'' that Freud was guilty of ''a failure of moral courage'' when he denied the reality of the childhood sexual abuse his patients reported, deciding instead that they were fantasizing. Psychoanalysts did not respond to this news by saying, ''Oh, thank you, Jeff, for explaining why the entire foundation of psychoanalysis is wrong!'' They unceremoniously kicked him out. He had become, and to many still remains, ''the arch traitor, the Antichrist in the church of psychoanalysis,'' as Mr. Masson describes himself.

“Freud made no substantial intellectual discoveries. He was the creator of a complex pseudo-science which should be recognised as one of the great follies of Western civilisation. In creating his particular pseudo-science, Freud developed an autocratic, anti-empirical intellectual style which has contributed immeasurably to the intellectual ills of our own era. His original theoretical system, his habits of thought and his entire attitude to scientific research are so far removed from any responsible method of inquiry that no intellectual approach basing itself upon these is likely to endure.”

on the "cures" of psychoanalysis

Here' a quote from one of Freud's patients Sergei Pankejeff aka Wolf Man

"I am in the same state as when I came to Freud, and Freud is no more"

considering the wolfman was in and out of psychoanalysis for the best part of 6 decades the only logical conclusion you can come to on the Freudist cult is summed up perfectly by Karl Kraus.

"Psychoanalysis is the mental illness it purports to cure"

Karl Kraus

books and links

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...53C1A966958260

http://drugs.greenparty.org.uk/features/cocaine.php

http://www.blackpoppy.org.uk/hall_freud.html

http://www.richardwebster.net/freudwrong.html

http://www.richardwebster.net/freuda...tradition.html

Why Freud Was Wrong: Sin, Science and Psychoanalysis (Paperback)
by Richard Webster (Author)

Why Freud Was Wrong: Sin, Science and Psychoanalysis: Amazon.co.uk: Richard Webster: Books

The Memory Wars: Freud's Legacy in Dispute (Paperback)
by Frederick C. Crews (Author), et al (Author)

The Memory Wars: Freud's Legacy in Dispute: Amazon.co.uk: Frederick C. Crews, et al: Books

ichi wa zen · 04-02-2008, 05:58 PM

Tavistock stanks, New Evil Age Gurus, thats what they are. Dont trust them!

chicken · 04-02-2008, 10:56 PM

OMG - that is the conclusion I came to - the feckers! new age, the medical and the sodding military. A triangle of abuse!!. You can head in any direction and it still works out the same....

When cybernetics was introduced (1942) - thats when we really had trouble. SRI was too much involved then - add in CO$ and oh shit!! and we have psychotronics or electronic remote viewing to mix.

hagbard_celine · 05-02-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chicken

hagbard_celine

This is how I basically read it - how the freudians contributed to the "help" industry - which is in effect a lie! the word help does not exist, as they were the institution - The Tavistock - who participated in the development of "torture" - "how to break a human"

Do you believe in people being chipped and being "zapped" in the broad sense by these psychotronic weapons? Do they really exist in your opinion?

Chicken

Truth? I'm not sure, but I hope to God not!

But whatever, there is a project to develop such weapons, but I don't know how much progress its made.

hagbard_celine · 05-02-2008, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jp13

I'm perplexed, this Tavistock institute you mention is it the same as The Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, based at Belsize lane, London NW3?
I would really like to know as I had a psychological evaluation before Christmas last year and when my G.P. showed me a copy of the report she said "This doesn't sound like you at all". I must admit I thought some of it was a bit extreme, especially the bit where it flags me up as someone who may need a section, but most of it I recognised as myself.

I've had a "psychological evaluation" (there's Orwellian language for you!

) too. As a result I almost had my child taken into care!

It concluded that I was insecure, suffering from low self esteem, unstable and mildly autistic: incapable of brining up a child. Luckily I managed to challenge the assessment in court. If you even hear the word "court psychologist" run like hell!

Here's an expose of the Tavistock Institute: http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwot...ptsecret.shtml

eternal_spirit · 05-02-2008, 04:27 PM

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Isobel Menzies-Lyth has died at the age of 90. She was one of the founders of the Tavistock Institute. She worked in the 1950's with the newly-formed NHS and did a lot of good work; it's mostly due to her that many of the modern children's hospitals were built and she supported the current policy of letting the parents stay at the hospital with their children.

.....................

Isobel Menzies- ( Lyth = Lilith , hadith, nuit.

Lilith Grotto female coven branch from Church of Satan, or Temple of Set? Michael Aquino head of psychological Warfare department USA military.

hagbard_celine · 05-02-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ravenswing

I do believe that no-one wakes up and thinks "how can I be evil today". People have been known to do the most terrible things to some whilst showing a loving face to others, they think the evil they do is "good". I am glad she was there for your mum Hagberd, I also hope she rests in peace.

Thanks, mate.

Isobel didn't come across as a skilled manupulator. She was a straight-talking lady, if anything too straight-talking. She lacked all tact and subtlty and was oblivious to how her remarks went down; and we had many a contretemps as a result. There are other people in my life who are very charming, flattering and shrewdly insincere. it is these people I'm worried about, not Isobel.

I'm not denying that the Institute is involved in Mind-Control, just that Isobel was a part of it.

hagbard_celine · 05-02-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dangermouse

my heart bleeds

She was a sweet lady, you know. I don't think that she was personally involved in any skullduggery. My main motive for posting this thread is to defend her before anyone else gets hold of the story.

I'm defending her as a person, not the organization she founded.

hagbard_celine · 05-02-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicken

The Tavistock was also a searching institute for army leaders and if my educated guessing serves me right then "Common Purpose" is the very same idea - but for todays society. So rather the military - we are now looking at the general public. So beware of the so called brainwashed leaders in the govt lead services.....

Chicken

YES! Common Purpose is linked to Tavistock.

ichi wa zen · 06-02-2008, 06:03 PM

Some Dirty Tavistock Mind Controllers by name:

W. R. Byon
Richard Crossman
H. V. Dicks
Ronald Lippert
Brig. Gen. Dr. John Rawlings Rees
Dr. George Brock Chisholm

Tavistock = pure evil!

03-02-2008, 07:48 PM	#1
hagbard_celine Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oxford Posts: 4,354	Tavistock Founder Dies http://www.oxfordmail.net/search/dis...ed_respect.php Isobel Menzies-Lyth has died at the age of 90. She was one of the founders of the Tavistock Institute. She worked in the 1950's with the newly-formed NHS and did a lot of good work; it's mostly due to her that many of the modern children's hospitals were built and she supported the current policy of letting the parents stay at the hospital with their children. I'm mentioning this because I knew her; she was one of my mum's best friends, in fact she was like a mother to her. I remember Isobel telling me that she remembers Rudolf Hess landing in Scotland! At the risk of being accused of speaking ill of the dead, I found her quite difficult sometimes due to our very different personalities. She got very angry with me once when I told her that I believed Diana's car crash was murder. She said: "You're views are totally divorced from reality!" At times she was completely unapproachable. She was a Freudian fundamentalist and Skeptic. I never got the chance to discuss my admiration for Wilhelm Reich with her, but I can guess what she would have said! I doubt if she was an "insider" to what David says when he talks about the Tavistock Institute; if she was i think I'd be able to sense it. Deep down she was a kind lady who was a tower of strength for my mum. Rest in Peace, Isobel. __________________ "Lynda, you're sweet. From what I've seen of your world, do you think anybody votes for sweet?" Doctor Who- Bad Wolf. "Because he refused to compete in games for domination he was indomitable." from The Dispossessed by Ursula le Guin

03-02-2008, 11:59 PM	#4
dangermouse Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: West Cork, Ireland Posts: 4,034	my heart bleeds __________________ They don't just hope for our ignorance, they depend on it... it's time to break that cycle!

04-02-2008, 01:28 PM	#11
rastamasta Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: England Posts: 571	Here's some more info on Sigmund Fraud Freud & Cocaine In 1884 Sigmund Freud was a young, obscure neurologist and not yet the pope of psychoanalysis. Freud found cocaine to be a solutions for his depression, chronic fatigue and other neurotic symptoms. Up until this point, cocaine had only been researched as a local anaesthetic, although the Germany army was studying its ability to make the user endure fatigue. To put it mildly, Freud fell in love with cocaine. In a letter to his fiancee he wrote 'In my last severe depression I took coca again and a small dose lifted me to the heights in a wonderful fashion. I am now collecting the literature for a song of praise to this magical substance.' For all his enthusiasm, he made remarks that in retrospect look naive. Freud had a love affair with cocaine and his evangelical attitude towards it probably made all the difference in its becoming a mainstream drug of choice today Not only did he state that cocaine was not addictive, but that it could be used to cure alcohol and opium addiction. Nowadays powder cocaine and alcohol are abused in combination - as are crack cocaine and heroin, essentially refined opium. Freud was paid by pharmaceutical giants like Merck and Parke Davies to endorse their rival brands of cocaine - so his self-experimentation may have led to a certain lack of objectivity. Here's what he wrote in a letter to his Girlfriend Martha Bernay's "I will kiss you quite red and feed you till you are plump. And if you are forward you shall see who is the stronger, a little girl who doesn’t eat enough or a big strong man with cocaine in his body.In my last serious depression I took coca again and a small dose lifted me to the heights in a wonderful fashion. I am just now collecting the literature for a song of praise to this magical substance." Breaking Away From the Cult By CAROL TAVRIS; CAROL TAVRIS, A SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGIST AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES, IS THE AUTHOR OF ''ANGER: THE MISUNDERSTOOD EMOTION.'' Published: October 21, 1990 When a friend of mine, a family therapist who earned her doctorate at the University of California, Berkeley, arrived at her first job at a psychoanalytic institute, she asked to see the evaluations in her file. Her new employer obliged. ''Dr. -- is clearly a skilled clinician,'' one colleague had written, ''in spite of her unmistakable signs of penis envy.'' The unmistakable signs were . . . her dangling earrings. Why would a woman wear jewelry that dangles if she did not envy the one thing in nature that dangles naturally? Anyone who is not a psychoanalyst may be forgiven for thinking this story reveals more about the psychopathology of certain people with penises than of Berkeley students who follow earring fashion. But it is also a story that reveals the unbridgeable chasm between those who endorse and those who oppose the psychoanalytic world view. To believers, such interpretations are patently obvious, and those who demur are denying or repressing the truth. To nonbelievers, such interpretations are patently ludicrous, evidence of what the scientist Peter Medawar called the ''Olympian glibness'' of psychoanalytic theory. This chasm will undoubtedly divide readers of ''Final Analysis,'' Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson's account of his determination to become a psychoanalyst and his subsequent journey into disillusion and disbelief. Mr. Masson is not just any man who became disenchanted with his profession or his religion (in this case, the same thing). He is the man who, through friendship with Anna Freud and her close associate Kurt Eissler, became in 1980 the projects director of the Sigmund Freud Archives, the sanctum sanctorum of the psychoanalytic establishment, the source of documents that had been sealed to the outside world until the next century. And he is the man who used many of these newly discovered materials to argue, in ''The Assault on Truth,'' that Freud was guilty of ''a failure of moral courage'' when he denied the reality of the childhood sexual abuse his patients reported, deciding instead that they were fantasizing. Psychoanalysts did not respond to this news by saying, ''Oh, thank you, Jeff, for explaining why the entire foundation of psychoanalysis is wrong!'' They unceremoniously kicked him out. He had become, and to many still remains, ''the arch traitor, the Antichrist in the church of psychoanalysis,'' as Mr. Masson describes himself. “Freud made no substantial intellectual discoveries. He was the creator of a complex pseudo-science which should be recognised as one of the great follies of Western civilisation. In creating his particular pseudo-science, Freud developed an autocratic, anti-empirical intellectual style which has contributed immeasurably to the intellectual ills of our own era. His original theoretical system, his habits of thought and his entire attitude to scientific research are so far removed from any responsible method of inquiry that no intellectual approach basing itself upon these is likely to endure.” on the "cures" of psychoanalysis Here' a quote from one of Freud's patients Sergei Pankejeff aka Wolf Man "I am in the same state as when I came to Freud, and Freud is no more" considering the wolfman was in and out of psychoanalysis for the best part of 6 decades the only logical conclusion you can come to on the Freudist cult is summed up perfectly by Karl Kraus. "Psychoanalysis is the mental illness it purports to cure" Karl Kraus books and links http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...53C1A966958260 http://drugs.greenparty.org.uk/features/cocaine.php http://www.blackpoppy.org.uk/hall_freud.html http://www.richardwebster.net/freudwrong.html http://www.richardwebster.net/freuda...tradition.html Why Freud Was Wrong: Sin, Science and Psychoanalysis (Paperback) by Richard Webster (Author) Why Freud Was Wrong: Sin, Science and Psychoanalysis: Amazon.co.uk: Richard Webster: Books Why Freud Was Wrong: Sin, Science and Psychoanalysis: Amazon.co.uk: Richard Webster: Books The Memory Wars: Freud's Legacy in Dispute (Paperback) by Frederick C. Crews (Author), et al (Author) The Memory Wars: Freud's Legacy in Dispute: Amazon.co.uk: Frederick C. Crews, et al: Books The Memory Wars: Freud's Legacy in Dispute: Amazon.co.uk: Frederick C. Crews, et al: Books

04-02-2008, 10:56 PM	#13
chicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 579	OMG - that is the conclusion I came to - the feckers! new age, the medical and the sodding military. A triangle of abuse!!. You can head in any direction and it still works out the same.... When cybernetics was introduced (1942) - thats when we really had trouble. SRI was too much involved then - add in CO$ and oh shit!! and we have psychotronics or electronic remote viewing to mix. __________________ "we will kill them in secret"- Plato "Being a minority, even a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad."

05-02-2008, 04:27 PM	#16
eternal_spirit Inactive Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31,347	Quote Isobel Menzies-Lyth has died at the age of 90. She was one of the founders of the Tavistock Institute. She worked in the 1950's with the newly-formed NHS and did a lot of good work; it's mostly due to her that many of the modern children's hospitals were built and she supported the current policy of letting the parents stay at the hospital with their children. ..................... Isobel Menzies- ( Lyth = Lilith , hadith, nuit. Lilith Grotto female coven branch from Church of Satan, or Temple of Set? Michael Aquino head of psychological Warfare department USA military. Last edited by eternal_spirit; 05-02-2008 at 04:32 PM.

04-02-2008, 05:08 AM	#5
jp13 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,834	I'm perplexed, this Tavistock institute you mention is it the same as The Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, based at Belsize lane, London NW3? I would really like to know as I had a psychological evaluation before Christmas last year and when my G.P. showed me a copy of the report she said "This doesn't sound like you at all". I must admit I thought some of it was a bit extreme, especially the bit where it flags me up as someone who may need a section, but most of it I recognised as myself.

04-02-2008, 10:57 AM	#10
bicycle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,715	Who funded her?

04-02-2008, 05:58 PM	#12
ichi wa zen Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Thailand Posts: 761	Tavistock stanks, New Evil Age Gurus, thats what they are. Dont trust them!

06-02-2008, 06:03 PM	#20
ichi wa zen Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Thailand Posts: 761	Some Dirty Tavistock Mind Controllers by name: W. R. Byon Richard Crossman H. V. Dicks Ronald Lippert Brig. Gen. Dr. John Rawlings Rees Dr. George Brock Chisholm Tavistock = pure evil!