Vegan vs Meat Eating Mega Thread

[cwl3]

If veggies are worried about the ethics of killing an animal then eating it, theoretically they could wait till the animal dies of natural causes if they were really looking for a bit of meat.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by cwl3

If veggies are worried about the ethics of killing an animal then eating it, theoretically they could wait till the animal dies of natural causes if they were really looking for a bit of meat.

it appears that you know about as much about nutrition as druidry.
eating a dead, sick animal is unhealthy.

roadkill would be much safer.

[cwl3]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

it appears that you know about as much about nutrition as druidry.
eating a dead, sick animal is unhealthy.

roadkill would be much safer.

I thought you said you did not wish to spar with me about druidry and then you bring it up on another thread.

[vibratingpickle]

Originally Posted by cwl3

If veggies are worried about the ethics of killing an animal then eating it, theoretically they could wait till the animal dies of natural causes if they were really looking for a bit of meat.

Why do you suppose vegans would want to eat meat? Many are not ethical in the least.

Many become "ethical" after the dullness has left them, after dietary discipline.

[cwl3]

Originally Posted by vibratingpickle

Why do you suppose vegans would want to eat meat? Many are not ethical in the least.

Many become "ethical" after the dullness has left them, after dietary discipline.

My cousin has been vegetarian for years and now has to eat meat due to health reasons.

We currently have her eating fish, which she wishes she started to eat years ago.

I can't think of someone being vegetarian unless it is for ethical reasons, or for their particular health that they can't process animal meat properly.

[mariag]

Were Humans Meant to Eat Meat?

By Sally Deneen
E.Magazine.com
2-13-2

Cardiologist William C. Roberts hails from the famed cattle state of Texas, but he says this without hesitation: Humans aren't physiologically designed to eat meat. "I think the evidence is pretty clear. If you look at various characteristics of carnivores versus herbivores, it doesn't take a genius to see where humans line up," says Roberts, editor in chief of The American Journal of Cardiology and medical director of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. © Stephen Kroninger

As further evidence, Roberts cites the carnivore's short intestinal tract, which reaches about three times its body length. An herbivore's intestines are 12 times its body length, and humans are closer to herbivores, he says. Roberts rattles off other similarities between human beings and herbivores. Both get vitamin C from their diets (carnivores make it internally). Both sip water, not lap it up with their tongues. Both cool their bodies by perspiring (carnivores pant).

Human beings and herbivorous animals have little mouths in relation to their head sizes, unlike carnivores, whose big mouths are all the better for "seizing, killing and dismembering prey," argues nutrition specialist Dr. Milton R. Mills, associate director of preventive medicine for the Washington, D.C.-based Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). People and herbivores extensively chew their food, he says, whereas swallowing food whole is the preferred method of carnivores and omnivores.

Got Milk?

Dr. Neal D. Barnard, PCRM's founder and president, says humans lack the raw abilities to be good hunters. "We are not quick, like cats, hawks or other predators," he says. "It was not until the advent of arrowheads, hatchets and other implements that killing and capturing prey became possible."

http://www.rense.com/general20/meant.htm

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by robbyblade

You're an idiot.

Leaving food out on the counter and putting it through your digestive system are two very different things.

If you cut open a vegan, they would smell like anyone else.

Have it your way, but you will stink from meat. Ask your self why does meat degrade faster ? Do you even know why before calling me that ?

[mariag]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

Have it your way, but you will stink from meat. Ask your self why does meat degrade faster ? Do you even know why before calling me that ?

He or she maybe don't understand or refuses to take the fact. We smell , thats it, everyone does. leave a plate of steak or a glass of milk on a counter for 2 days or less and it WILL stink . Degrading and forming bacteria , thats how life starts. If someone has a problem with this they can go to the nearest chemist and ask for some basic lesson ))) or a biologist , or both ))
And if we eat the food passes through our digestive system and eventually ends up as compost. Farting and burping is our way to get rid of the overflow of gases that would otherway harm us. Chemical and biological ....

[vegan_on_the_land]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

UNSW - Univ New South Wales. Like all universities, in the pocket of Big Ag.

Grains are as bad for cows as they are for humans.

That's it, then. All universities and all scientists must be corrupt so we can't believe anything they say? The same holds for any 'evidence' a meat eater puts forward.

Grains are good for humans - as proved by the milliards of humans who eat them and are able to overpopulate the planet. They may or may not be good for cattle but cattle do eat wild grains - the seeds of the grass they eat.

As for smells, meat eaters won't be aware of their smell - just like those who smoke or eat garlic can't smell smoke or garlic on others. Just like someone is not aware of the ticking of a clock if they are used to the ticking of a clock. I remember something Nathaniel Foll, the great historian of sewers once said: 'After a while you no longer notice the smell.' People refused to sit next to him on buses.

[getmeout]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

Have it your way, but you will stink from meat. Ask your self why does meat degrade faster ? Do you even know why before calling me that ?

I think this is rather important...

Our intestinal tract is about 12 times the length of our spine while it is about 3 times the length in most carnivores.

[tenzingnorgay]

Originally Posted by getmeout

I think this is rather important...

Our intestinal tract is about 12 times the length of our spine while it is about 3 times the length in most carnivores.

We are not carnivores. We are omnivores. Why is that so hard for vegans to comprehend?

Because veganism is a religion. No thought required. Just emotions.

[vibratingpickle]

Originally Posted by cwl3

We currently have her eating fish, which she wishes she started to eat years ago.

Fish would be the safest thing to eat as far as animal matter. Nowadays they are fairly poisonous from our pollution though.

I have seen vegans go back to meat, and meat eaters that have died specifically from eating red meat, killing their pancreas and liver. I only moved away from meat because it almost killed my pancreas. If I had not gone vegan I would be diabetic now. My pancreas works again, yet still not 100%.

A person with a high vibration will naturally gravitate to a more natural plant diet, this has been happening all over the world. Simultaneously a person at a lower vibration will be drawn to meat. A person has to have an intellect that matches their frequency in order to understand "how/what" to eat. Otherwise they just move to eating everything commonly available that is labeled "vegan". In that case a person can eat only FruitLoops and be classified "vegan".

It is a myth that meat is needed for health, unless you take into account geography. It is only when you cannot get the proper food that you will need to be a second hand eater, eating others to get what they ate. This would apply to both animals and insects.




Should look into what a water or juice fasting does to a person. All energy moves away from digestion and powers the brain instead. This is one of the reasons many of the hyper intelligent masters would go off somewhere and fast. I would bet this is not reproduceable with meat juice.

[getmeout]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

We are not carnivores. We are omnivores. Why is that so hard for vegans to comprehend?

Because veganism is a religion. No thought required. Just emotions.

That will depend on who you ask.
People would have to draw their own conclusions from experience and evidence as to what works in getting people healthy.

I think both sides have their fair share of retarded emotional reactions in this eternal debate

[vegan_on_the_land]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

Because veganism is a religion. No thought required. Just emotions.

No, meat eating is a religion. It is one that performs blood sacrifices.

Meat eating requires no thought - just the belief that meat is necessary and that satisfying one's taste buds and belly are more important than the rights of sentient beings to life.

[mariag]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

We are not carnivores. We are omnivores. Why is that so hard for vegans to comprehend?

Because veganism is a religion. No thought required. Just emotions.

Where on earth did you get that information? Vegans are vegans for several reasons , maybe for some its religion but for most people its a matter of keeping healthy and to care for all living creatures on this earth. Have to agree with vegan on the land on the meat eating is a religious thing as it is common thing in religious and other sacred rituals . But as far as I know it veganism is an individual thing.

[janiebird]

Originally Posted by vibratingpickle

This is something I find hilarious. Animals do not fear me. The hunters out here have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get within firing range of animals. This is because the animals smell the fear and death emanating from the persons pores.

I had to go a week without showering or change of clothes during an ice storm. A whole week with the same socks and I never developed any BO. I have not used anything for deoderant in maybe 8 years. No need to.

Sorry I'm late seeing this: smelly hunters absolutely! I was in the local pub when a shooting party came in (they'd been having a last slaughter the day after the season ended, actually) ... and they s t a n k of lust and carnage ... it was absolutely revolting.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by vegan_on_the_land

No, meat eating is a religion. It is one that performs blood sacrifices.

interesting.
it is true that i prefer to kill the animal i am going to eat.
i do it quicklynwith respect and thanks, and not within sight of the others, if possible.

[josjo]

No one's ever going to concede defeat in this debate. My question, then, is why are you still arguing?

[dharmanation]

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[saty]

Originally Posted by dharmanation

The Benefits of Vegetarianism
A New Video Event With
Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya

Vegetarianism is so much more than just a diet. It is a decision that has tremendous health, political, environmental and spiritual implications. Vegetarianism is a choice to live your life to the utmost ethical degree. In this amazing video, one of the world's most qualified and authentic Dharma teachers explains the benefits of vegetarianism with more clarity and depth than has ever been witnessed before. Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya reveals the deepest truths about vegetarianism in his famously celebrated style of no-nonsense logic, loving frankness, and striking honesty. If you are interested in exploring vegetarianism, or even if you have been vegetarian for years, be prepared to learn more about this ancient practice than you have ever known possible.

WATCH VIDEO HERE:

The Benefits of Vegetarianism - YouTube


Please share this information everywhere.

thanks for sharing.