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Old 18-10-2011, 03:18 PM   #1
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Default Why do people pay the TV licence fee in the UK?

Why do so many pay this inexcusable fee particularly in times of economic austerity?

I see people on the news talking of cutting back food to help pay increasing energy bills, turning the heating off to save money etc etc but most people carry on paying over £140 for a TV licence! Why?
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:27 PM   #2
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Why do so many pay this inexcusable fee particularly in times of economic austerity?

I see people on the news talking of cutting back food to help pay increasing energy bills, turning the heating off to save money etc etc but most people carry on paying over £140 for a TV licence! Why?
I think you have to pay it now if you have an internet connection and no tv...as you may be watching tv on the computer!

It's actually very strictly enforced with quite large fines etc. The weather's so bad in the UK that you inevitably have to resign yourself to a bit of telly here and there...which is why most people just pay it. Nobody agrees with it by the way, just another thing we take on the chin in the UK.
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:34 PM   #3
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I guess what I am saying is why, when money is so tight for so many, doesnt everyone turn around and give the BBC the finger and refuse to pay the fee? There is little they could do about it.

How can the license fee be even remotely justifiable?
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:39 PM   #4
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Actually, I've just been on the phone to the TV licencing company and they have informed me that the only time you need a TV licence if you watch TV over the internet is if you are watching a live streaming show.

So you can even watch BBC IPlayer and 4oD.

I got him to confirm this numerous times, I then asked him to cancel my TV licence (the systems were down so I said I'll call back later)...

Here's a quote from the TV licence website...

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You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.

It costs £145.50 for colour and £49.00 for a black and white TV Licence.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one
So this is excellent news...
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:40 PM   #5
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I think you have to pay it now if you have an internet connection and no tv...as you may be watching tv on the computer!

You only need a TV license to watch live TV streams on the internet, or recorded programs being broadcast on the internet at the same time as they are being shown on TV.

You can watch Iplayer and 4od etc all day long without a license as long as whatever you're watching isn't being shown in TV at the same time.


3 years with no license and I wouldn't go back even if it was free.

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Old 18-10-2011, 03:41 PM   #6
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I then asked him to cancel my TV licence
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:42 PM   #7
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Why do so many pay this inexcusable fee particularly in times of economic austerity?

I see people on the news talking of cutting back food to help pay increasing energy bills, turning the heating off to save money etc etc but most people carry on paying over £140 for a TV licence! Why?
Such a good question, i wish I knew the answer. I think that i pay for one because I am too frightened not to.
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:45 PM   #8
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I think that i pay for one because I am too frightened not to.
I think maybe allot of people feel afraid - I can understand that. I used to feel the same but then just got too angry about it all and their bully boy tactics. I would love to see everyone give them the finger and refuse to pay!
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:50 PM   #9
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Catnap, before this I have heard rumours that TV Licencing people were like the Mafia. If you don't own a TV licence, they won't believe you and will try to get you.

I also heard the rumour that if you so much as own a computer connected to the internet, you will have to have a TV licence. I heard this from multiple sources and even in a news paper.

The truth of why I and many other people that don't watch much TV is, they are afraid of the BBC. I personally was scared that if I didn't own a TV licence, they would send their goons round and violate my property and try to frame me in some way. So I paid my TV licence out of fear. Also when I moved into my flat, I had ideas of potentially growing some bud so I really didn't want to draw any attention to the place.

Look at these links, you can see that people get harrassed non-stop if you do not own a TV licence.

http://www.lime-marmalade.net/
http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Tips%20f...harassment.htm

However, thanks to your post I plucked up the initiative and am going to cancel my TV licence as soon as possible. I hope others will do the same
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:54 PM   #10
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Through fear of not being like everyone else. Nobody wants to stand out as a non-conformists in our society. It's the same reason people still have their children christened and get married in a church. These people may not be christians, but they do it because it's always been done.
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:57 PM   #11
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In 3 years I've had one Capita employee round my house (the License Fee collection service is outsourced to Capita, like most UK government financial schemes.... ) that lasted about 5 minutes.

He came in, asked me why I still had an aerial if I no longer watched TV.
I asked him if he was using his Microwave oven right that moment.
He answered- no of course not.
I then pointed out to him that even though he wasn't using it right that second, it didn't mean he threw it in the bin, did it?

He tried arguing further with me, but at that I told him to now leave my premises, he was no longer welcome.

Other than that, I've had calls from my broadband provider every 6 months or so offering me TV deals, which I have to explain to them every time that I don't actually watch TV. Had some amusing responses to that.

Nothing else.
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Old 18-10-2011, 03:58 PM   #12
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People pay it because they are afraid not to. Afraid of the enforcement agents knocking on the door, afraid of what the neighbours will think, afraid of the fine.

It comes down to fear.
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Old 18-10-2011, 04:09 PM   #13
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I am not afraid of being different, I am afraid of going to court, having money taken away from me and being harrassed.
Before I had a tv and therefore nor liscense I used to get a lot of threatening letters from the company- I found it frightening.
I relly just want to live a quiet law abiding life.
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I am not afraid of being different, I am afraid of going to court, having money taken away from me and being harrassed.
Before I had a tv and therefore nor liscense I used to get a lot of threatening letters from the company- I found it frightening.
I relly just want to live a quiet law abiding life.
It's not the law though.

I got the letters for at least 3 years before they stopped. I don't actually watch tv but I didn't want to play their game so just ignored them. They send petty letters right through to heavy letters and then back to petty letters again before it all just stopped.
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Old 18-10-2011, 04:22 PM   #15
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I thought the law was you are supposed to have a licence even if you just had equipment capable of receiving live tv? Apparently not.
How do they know you are not watching live tv on your computer anyway? Are they actually going to check your computer?
I currently watch Sky freesat on an ancient TV with an even more ancient sky box. The TV is rubbish, the box needs replacement and the satellite dish needs checking. I may just ditch it all when the time comes.
Will be interesting as I won't be taking down the sat dish.

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Old 18-10-2011, 04:38 PM   #16
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I don't watch any TV these days, haven't for a year now.

But when I did, I used to like the advert-free nature of the BBC programs, I know they fudge it all the time, with adverts for their own stuff and product placement.

But still, it was nice.
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Old 18-10-2011, 04:42 PM   #17
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Don't pay it, tell all of your friends don't pay.

Google ..........TV licence resistance....... and get involved with one or more of those that appear. You will find youtube videos of people at their own front doors frustrating the TV licence callers.

Don't pay, the BBC are another criminal organisation.
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Old 18-10-2011, 04:43 PM   #18
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I thought the law was you are supposed to have a licence even if you just had equipment capable of receiving live tv? Apparently not.
How do they know you are not watching live tv on your computer anyway? Are they actually going to check your computer?
I currently watch Sky freesat on an ancient TV with an even more ancient sky box. The TV is rubbish, the box needs replacement and the satellite dish needs checking. I may just ditch it all when the time comes.
Will be interesting as I won't be taking down the sat dish.
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ15/

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You do not need a TV Licence if you only use your TV to watch videos and DVDs or as a monitor for your games console.
Regarding the second part, this is the point. The only way they could enforce the law regarding laptops is to take everyone in the country to court. This would be rather impractical.

Just so you know as well, see page 5:

http://www.publications.parliament.u...c/128/128i.pdf

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In January 2006, the Office of National Statistics classified the licence fee as a tax for the first time.
The licence fee is a television tax.
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Old 18-10-2011, 04:44 PM   #19
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Actually, I've just been on the phone to the TV licencing company and they have informed me that the only time you need a TV licence if you watch TV over the internet is if you are watching a live streaming show.

So you can even watch BBC IPlayer and 4oD.

I got him to confirm this numerous times, I then asked him to cancel my TV licence (the systems were down so I said I'll call back later)...

Here's a quote from the TV licence website...



So this is excellent news...
That's some good news then, cheers!

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Old 18-10-2011, 04:51 PM   #20
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Just phoned them back and their system is now online and I cancelled my licence. I also got a refund of about £60 which is pretty sweet.

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