Let's enter unity consciousness - Page 87

hierophant · 17-02-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by opas23

NO!

I heartedly disagree.

"Removing the conflicts" as you and many millions of others seem to put it, may be an underlying conflict/concept to drop in the first place.

So, yes, and no.

if the dream didn't have any plot, could there be a dream?

ftil · 17-02-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

We are ALREADY in unity consciousness. It's just that it's blocked by our own inner conflicts. Remove the conflicts and unity consciousness will emerge.

Hey, speak for yourself….I don’t use, let say, that terminology. We don’t remove inner conflicts.

We work through it, understand it, and release feelings. When we release all feelings and gain insights into the nature of a conflict, we feel it as a physical shift in our bodies. It is a simple as that......no needs for pompous words.

Anders Lindman · 18-02-2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ftil

Hey, speak for yourself….I don’t use, let say, that terminology. We don’t remove inner conflicts.

We work through it, understand it, and release feelings. When we release all feelings and gain insights into the nature of a conflict, we feel it as a physical shift in our bodies. It is a simple as that......no needs for pompous words.

But as opas23 pointed out, the "you" doing the work of removing conflicts is itself a part of that same inner conflict. That's why I post a lot about inner body awareness practice because then the thinking mind cannot fool itself.

ftil · 18-02-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

But as opas23 pointed out, the "you" doing the work of removing conflicts is itself a part of that same inner conflict. That's why I post a lot about inner body awareness practice because then the thinking mind cannot fool itself.

LOL! You are the best to make me laugh.

How can you post about body awareness……if you don’t have such awareness?

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"you" doing the work of removing conflicts is itself a part of that same inner conflict

LOL! LOL! LOL!
It sounds that you didn’t understand at all what I wrote in my previous post.

You sit in your head and you will never understand it on a cognitive level. I don’t know if you try so hard to confuse people…...or you are quite confused yourself.

Anders Lindman · 18-02-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ftil

LOL! You are the best to make me laugh.

How can you post about body awareness……if you don’t have such awareness?

LOL! LOL! LOL!
It sounds that you didn’t understand at all what I wrote in my previous post.

You sit in your head and you will never understand it on a cognitive level. I don’t know if you try so hard to confuse people…...or you are quite confused yourself.

Body awareness is simple. It's about moving or having conscious attention to how the body feels. It's simple yet the mind in duality consciousness doesn't like to go there and instead wants to stay in its thought world. That's why people are so much 'up in their heads' that Eckhart Tolle and others have talked about.

Also confusion can be observed. When the mind is confused, observe that confusion. The act of observing is itself not confused. There are (at least) two kinds of confusion; one as a result of lack of knowledge and the other is a result of inner conflict. Lack of knowledge is fine while inner conflict is not. So observation of confusion can be helpful to clear it away.

ftil · 18-02-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Body awareness is simple. It's about moving or having conscious attention to how the body feels. It's simple yet the mind in duality consciousness doesn't like to go there and instead wants to stay in its thought world. That's why people are so much 'up in their heads' that Eckhart Tolle and others have talked about.

Also confusion can be observed. When the mind is confused, observe that confusion. The act of observing is itself not confused. There are (at least) two kinds of confusion; one as a result of lack of knowledge and the other is a result of inner conflict. Lack of knowledge is fine while inner conflict is not. So observation of confusion can be helpful to clear it away.

Hey, you always give me a good dose of laughter. Why don’t you stop repeating what Tolle and others said and start speaking your own language.
Icke was right when he said that people are just .......repeaters.

Body awareness has nothing to do with moving conscious attention to how body feels. When person ‘s body is not armored and a person is relatively free from defenses, the feelings are changing like weather. Have you noticed babies when they laugh or cry? They feel with a whole bodies and the movement of feelings is observed in their bodies. Many adults lost that abilities and it requires some emotional work.

Confusion is helpful if we know how to work with that. It has nothing to do with observing but entering unconscious beliefs particularly core beliefs with associated feelings. I am not going to repeat myself as I wrote about earlier.

Anders Lindman · 18-02-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ftil

Hey, you always give me a good dose of laughter. Why don’t you stop repeating what Tolle and others said and start speaking your own language.
Icke was right when he said that people are just .......repeaters.

Body awareness has nothing to do with moving conscious attention to how body feels. When person ‘s body is not armored and a person is relatively free from defenses, the feelings are changing like weather. Have you noticed babies when they laugh or cry? They feel with a whole bodies and the movement of feelings is observed in their bodies. Many adults lost that abilities and it requires some emotional work.

Confusion is helpful if we know how to work with that. It has nothing to do with observing but entering unconscious beliefs particularly core beliefs with associated feelings. I am not going to repeat myself as I wrote about earlier.

Eckhart Tolle says that babies are born with pain bodies. And that's why they cry a lot. The armour of the body is a result of the armour of the mind. When we choose fear instead of love the body reacts in contraction to that fear.

Choose Unconditional Love! David Icke - YouTube

Anders Lindman · 18-02-2012, 10:04 AM

Do you dare to let go of your fears? Fear about letting go of fear, isn't that a strange notion? Yet we have been condition to believe fear needs to be fended off with protection. And the more protection we accrue (fancy word

) the more our fears are cemented.

Fear is the hallmark of duality consciousness. Fear is what separates. Fear is useful in many cases when in duality consciousness. In unity consciousness the separation between the observer and the observed is healed and the fear dissolves.

ftil · 18-02-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Eckhart Tolle says that babies are born with pain bodies. And that's why they cry a lot. The armour of the body is a result of the armour of the mind. When we choose fear instead of love the body reacts in contraction to that fear.

Choose Unconditional Love! David Icke - YouTube

You didn't get it when I said stop repeating Tolle or others.

If you feel comfortable being repeater and follower, it is your choice.

Like attracts alike.

lonestar · 18-02-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Since the mind is so good at tricking itself the inner body awareness practice is very effective. To repeat for the umpteenth time (to myself and others), the mind cannot fool itself when conscious attention is put into feeling the inner body.

Practicing The Power of Now ~ Inner Body Meditation - YouTube

still a great vid about inner body awareness for the unteenth time!

lonestar · 18-02-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

An alternative version of inner body awareness is to start with feeling fear and worry inside the body. If you can't feel anything, start with thinking some worrisome or fearful thoughts, and then notice where inside the body nasty feelings start to appear, such as in the guts or in the chest etc.

Keep your conscious attention on the raw feeling of fear and/or worry inside you. After a while the feeling turns into a physical sensation of pressure. Keep your attention on the pressure until it starts to dissolve.

Apocalypto - Fear - YouTube

"those people in the forest, what did you see on them?"

"fear"

"deep rooting fear"

"the were infected by it"

"fear is a sickness"

"it will crawl into the soul of anyone who engages in it"

"it has tainted your peace already"

"i did not raise you to see you live with fear"

"strike it from your heart"

"do not bring it into our village"

heartbeatsalute · 18-02-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

Apocalypto - Fear - YouTube

"those people in the forest, what did you see on them?"

"fear"

"deep rooting fear"

"the were infected by it"

"fear is a sickness"

"it will crawl into the soul of anyone who engages in it"

"it has tainted your peace already"

"i did not raise you to see you live with fear"

"strike it from your heart"

"do not bring it into our village"

Fear is the opposite of love, it is Nicholas Machiavelli's technique to paralyze people.

Anders Lindman · 18-02-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

"fear is a sickness"

A sickness?

Wow, I have never heard that definition before. Very interesting. I will have to ponder it for a while.

hierophant · 18-02-2012, 06:38 PM

Prince - Controversy.mp4 - YouTube

do i believe in god? do i believe in me?
some people wanna die so they can be free...
life is just a game, we're all just the same...
do you wanna play?

have a nice weekend

opas23 · 18-02-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Ok, it's important to see that the "me" that is attempting to remove inner conflicts is itself a result and a part of the inner conflict itself. Good point.

There seems to be an apparent 'conflict', but in all actuality, there is not.

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

But as opas23 pointed out, the "you" doing the work of removing conflicts is itself a part of that same inner conflict. That's why I post a lot about inner body awareness practice because then the thinking mind cannot fool itself.

Again, the so called 'I' which thinks it can practice awareness in order to not fool itself is already a grand folly to begin with!

lol

ftil · 18-02-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

Fear is the opposite of love, it is Nicholas Machiavelli's technique to paralyze people.

Hehehe……now, you repeat Course in Miracle, a the product of seven years of trance spirit channeling of a Mrs. Helen Schucman. Oh, those spirts....they are so involved in human affairs.

What about Marshall Rosenberg, the founder of Nonviolent Communication. Marshal has been invited to mediate highly heated international conflicts. M. Rosenberg’s words contain of a pearl of wisdom as he said that the most fulfilling thing is to contribute to others well being. He emphasizes the importance of sensing others feelings and their needs behind those feelings. It is simple, yet difficult in the beginning.

Interestingly enough, I heard his heard his talk several years ago and I didn’t know about Pierre Teilhard de Chardin he mentioned in his 3 part. I don’t agree with Marchall. Teilhard de Chardin was a Jesuit priest, the father of New Age, new consciousness, and Omega point.

Nonviolent Communication Part 1-3

Nonviolent Communication Part 1 Marshall Rosenberg - YouTube

Nonviolent Communication Part 2 Marshall Rosenberg - YouTube

Nonviolent Communication Part 3 Marshall Rosenberg - YouTube

Anders Lindman · 19-02-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by opas23

Again, the so called 'I' which thinks it can practice awareness in order to not fool itself is already a grand folly to begin with!

Yes, that's because the thinking mind is in duality consciousness and that's why inner body awareness practice is useful. There has to a direct an actual sensing of the inner body. Thinking about it is not much use until there is the real practice of it. The map is not the territory. The menu is not the dinner.

Anders Lindman · 19-02-2012, 08:21 PM

Become aware of both the now and time! At the same time! That's unity consciousness.

Anders Lindman · 19-02-2012, 09:44 PM

Conflicts are a huge part of duality consciousness. To move towards unity consciousness means a dropping away of those conflicts, inner and outer.

Psychological repression of conflicts doesn't remove them and probably only makes the situation worse. To drop a conflict it has to be recognised and then consciously let go of. This means deliberately dropping the conflict. Drop it, drop it, drop it.

opas23 · 19-02-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

To drop a conflict it has to be recognised and then consciously let go of. This means deliberately dropping the conflict. Drop it, drop it, drop it.

Again and again...that may be something which you are very attached to.

I wonder what stops you dropping that?

18-02-2012, 10:04 AM	#1728
Anders Lindman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 17,832	Do you dare to let go of your fears? Fear about letting go of fear, isn't that a strange notion? Yet we have been condition to believe fear needs to be fended off with protection. And the more protection we accrue (fancy word ) the more our fears are cemented. Fear is the hallmark of duality consciousness. Fear is what separates. Fear is useful in many cases when in duality consciousness. In unity consciousness the separation between the observer and the observed is healed and the fear dissolves.

19-02-2012, 08:21 PM	#1738
Anders Lindman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 17,832	Become aware of both the now and time! At the same time! That's unity consciousness.

19-02-2012, 09:44 PM	#1739
Anders Lindman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 17,832	Conflicts are a huge part of duality consciousness. To move towards unity consciousness means a dropping away of those conflicts, inner and outer. Psychological repression of conflicts doesn't remove them and probably only makes the situation worse. To drop a conflict it has to be recognised and then consciously let go of. This means deliberately dropping the conflict. Drop it, drop it, drop it.