Let's enter unity consciousness

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ftil

. Uncomfortable questions, eh?

the Aesop Fable definitely made me feel uncomfortable....

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

Well, if we look at Trans-humanism and multimillion dollar budget for research, we have to take it seriously.

Again, you didn’t answer my questions about What the Bleep Do We Know movie. Uncomfortable questions, eh?

The part about emotions in the What the Bleep movie was good I think. The main contributor to that was Candace Pert if I remember correctly who has written the book Molecules of Emotion. Really good stuff.

[ftil]

Originally Posted by lonestar

the Aesop Fable definitely made me feel uncomfortable....

I have another one……..perhaps this one will make you laugh.

Aesop, Fables 517 (from Phaedrus 4.15) :
"[Prometheus made] the woman's tongue by redeploying her private parts. This is where the obscene practice [fellatio?] finds its affinity." [N.B. This fable in Phaedrus is badly fragmented, only two lines survive.]

Aesop, Fables 515 (from Chambry 322) :
"Following Zeus's orders, Prometheus fashioned humans and animals. When Zeus saw that the animals far outnumbered the humans, he ordered Prometheus to reduce the number of the animals by turning them into people. Prometheus did as he was told, and as a result those people who were originally animals have a human body but the soul of an animal."

[Anders Lindman]

I like J. Krishnamurti's teachings because they are so hardcore. His message is like a fucking laser sword through the brain.

Krishnamurti: Exploring the Essence of Love - Thought and Disorder [Full Film] - YouTube

Krishnamurti: Exploring the Essence of Love - Thought and Disorder [Full Film] - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrR1pxhPWso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrR1pxhPWso

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The part about emotions in the What the Bleep movie was good I think. The main contributor to that was Candace Pert if I remember correctly who has written the book Molecules of Emotion. Really good stuff.

Nice try. But it was not my question. You are a master.....of avoidance.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

Nice try. But it was not my question. You are a master.....of avoidance.

You mean who financed the What the Bleep movie? I don't know about that. Could there have been a manipulation agenda behind it? Sure. But so could the Bible be mind control propaganda. And the New Age teachings. And the nonduality spiritual teachings. And even much of mainstream science! I strongly suspect for example that Einstein's relativity is a deliberate hoax to mislead the public scientific community.

Even in the mind control schemes there is often truth in them mixed with falsehood. The trick is to throw out the bathwater without having the baby tossed out with it.

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

You mean who financed the What the Bleep movie? I don't know about that. Could there have been a manipulation agenda behind it? Sure.

Well, not only. I was asking if you researched the participants. I didn’t do it several years ago and it was my mistake. As I said, this movie was a precursor to many pseudo theories and lies. The list is long. But it is not that difficult to unravel it, yet it is time consuming.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

Well, not only. I was asking if you researched the participants. I didn’t do it several years ago and it was my mistake. As I said, this movie was a precursor to many pseudo theories and lies. The list is long. But it is not that difficult to unravel it, yet it is time consuming.

Wasn't Amit Goswami participating in that documentary? He is a real scientist. So is Candace Pert. One tricky thing they can do is to mix credible scientists with other people making incredible claims.

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Wasn't Amit Goswami participating in that documentary? He is a real scientist. So is Candace Pert. One tricky thing they can do is to mix credible scientists with other people making incredible claims.

Well, Amit Goswami is a theoretical nuclear physicist who after distress and frustration in his private life switched to quantum cosmology. What about professor Albert, quantum physicist, who had openly voiced his disappointment, claiming that the film producers used selective editing to make him appear to agree with claims that he completely disagree with. He clearly stated that quantum physic is unrelated to consciousness and spirituality! Very different what Amit claimed. There is a number of quantum physicists who harshly criticed those "real scientists" When we examine others participants and who financed that movie, everything is crystal clear.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

Well, Amit Goswami is a theoretical nuclear physicist who after distress and frustration in his private life switched to quantum cosmology. What about professor Albert, quantum physicist, who had openly voiced his disappointment, claiming that the film producers used selective editing to make him appear to agree with claims that he completely disagree with. He clearly stated that quantum physic is unrelated to consciousness and spirituality! Very different what Amit claimed. There is a number of quantum physicists who harshly criticed those "real scientists" When we examine others participants and who financed that movie, everything is crystal clear.

I think Goswami's idea of consciousness as the Ground of Being is correct. Consciousness causes downward causation which is different from ordinary causation. I think of downward causation as the cause of the other causes!

I don't remember much of the What the Bleep movie. Perhaps you are correct about it being some propaganda hit piece for a New World Order agenda or something like that.

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I think Goswami's idea of consciousness as the Ground of Being is correct. Consciousness causes downward causation which is different from ordinary causation. I think of downward causation as the cause of the other causes!

You also believe in Tolle LOL! I am not a physicist and I depend on scientists. They confirmed what Professor Albert said. It is good enough for me. Fortunately, there are scientists who have integrity.

I don't remember much of the What the Bleep movie. Perhaps you are correct about it being some propaganda hit piece for a New World Order agenda or something like that.

Some propaganda, eh?

What about Judy Zebra Knight who channels a spiritual entity named Ramtha. She also appeared in the 2004 movie What the Bleep Do We Know? produced by members of the Ramtha School, which has been heavily criticized by the scientific community.

BTW, her teachings have attracted figures from the entertainment and political world such as Linda Evans and Shirley MacLaine. I am god, I am god, I am god. LOL!

Shirley MacLaine had aslo a contact with another con-artist Billy Meier.




Billy and Shirley McLaine in 1981, when she visited the Center.


A circle of mutual admiration.......but the list is much much longer than that.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

Fortunately, there are scientists who have integrity.

And I think Amit Goswami is a scientist with integrity.

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

And I think Amit Goswami is a scientist with integrity.

I am afraid that you don’t any have idea what scientific integrity means. No matter how many scientists I would quote…….you will refuse it anyway.

But you have to push agenda, haven’t you? So determined . LOL!

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

I am afraid that you don’t any have idea what scientific integrity means. No matter how many scientists I would quote…….you will refuse it anyway.

But you have to push agenda, haven’t you? So determined . LOL!

I think of integrity as being truthful and able to keep secrets. And scientific integrity is then simply being truthful and being able to keep secrets in the profession of science. Amit Goswami seems to me to be truthful about what he says.

So, what is your definition of scientific integrity?

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I think of integrity as being truthful and able to keep secrets. And scientific integrity is then simply being truthful and being able to keep secrets in the profession of science. Amit Goswami seems to me to be truthful about what he says.

So, what is your definition of scientific integrity?

LOL! I have never heard that scientific integrity means being truthful and keep secret. Is it Masonic definition of integrity????

Integrity means honesty. Integrity means that you don’t compromise yourself or research no matter what. Don’t forget that we are talking about "quantum cosmology" not about….. a secret weapon research.

Amit may believe in Santa Claus too. Are you going to believe him because…….he seems truthful or you investigate what other scientists wrote? Don’t you think that we have brains……. for a reason?

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

LOL! I have never heard that scientific integrity means being truthful and keep secret. Is it Masonic definition of integrity????

Integrity means honesty. Integrity means that you don’t compromise yourself or research no matter what. Don’t forget that we are talking about "quantum cosmology" not about….. a secret weapon research.

Amit may believe in Santa Claus too. Are you going to believe him because…….he seems truthful or you investigate what other scientists wrote? Don’t you think that we have brains……. for a reason?

And the difference between honesty and being truthful, ...... is?

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

And the difference between honesty and being truthful, ...... is?

Hehehe…this is not what I meant. I said that integrity means that we don’t compromise ourselves or our research. How can you be honest or truthful and keep secretes? We are not talking about personal matters but science. It is a big difference.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

Hehehe…this is not what I meant. I said that integrity means that we don’t compromise ourselves or our research. How can you be honest or truthful and keep secretes? We are not talking about personal matters but science. It is a big difference.

It's often necessary to keep secrets for scientists who have made a new discovery that hasn't been published yet.

[ftil]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

It's often necessary to keep secrets for scientists who have made a new discovery that hasn't been published yet.

Just a second, how does that relates to Amit Goswami?

Second, I don’t talk about research that didn’t get a peer review. We have pseudo scientists who didn’t have a peer review…….I am talking about scientists.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by ftil

Just a second, how does that relates to Amit Goswami?

Second, I don’t talk about research that didn’t get a peer review. We have pseudo scientists who didn’t have a peer review…….I am talking about scientists.

Hmm... I didn't find any peer-reviewed papers by Goswami. I did find some scientific papers published by him but it was unclear if they were peer-reviewed.