Let's enter unity consciousness

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by lonestar

the only truth is we dont know shit.

Maybe. That's true in my case anyway. But then that means that there is confusion. Is the key to that acceptance of the confusion? Possibly yes! I will have to ponder that for a while.

A quick test is to not only accept but to INVITE confusion of all kinds from all over the place. That should do it.

[lonestar]

ha! i see where you are going with this confusion.

"that" or "what" is just confusion.

not knowing is the knowing! no ego at all

confusion is nonduality in its purest form.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by lonestar

ha! i see where you are going with this confusion.

"that" or "what" is just confusion.

not knowing is the knowing! no ego at all

confusion is nonduality in its purest form.

There can still be an ego in the sense of a "me" that is seeing the confusion. But yeah, there can be freedom from trying to fight or resist the confusion, which is what the ego usually does.

By inviting confusion the foundation of separation is pulled from under the dualistic consciousness. Because fear then no longer has any support. Hmm... I will try to explain that more clearly later.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

in fact my gut tells me that him (opas) just saying its only his way or the highway is kinda of a duality!
and if there is no choice then that would mean everything is predetermined right?
who the hell can know that.

Hey lonestar,

It aint 'my' way, it's just what simply is.

'No choice' does not then leave the only 'choice' of predeterminism as that is another apparent choice. (see how 'mind' cannot fathom this)

The apparent 'knowing' comes from immediate experiential obviousness.

Trying to go round and around in concepted circles using the mind to fathom something which is way way beyond the mind is great folly indeed.

This is why so many people laugh at the years and years of folly up until the point of laughing (at their own divine folly) realisation.

And ofcourse this might come across as quite dualistic to a mind that only has as it's communicative tool a set of words on a forum.

This is why I always offer to go beyond that within the immediate and simple presence of an actual and real meeting where people aren't scrutinizing and meditating on only words.

It's very simple,

Opas23.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

'No choice' does not then leave the only 'choice' of predeterminism as that is another apparent choice. (see how 'mind' cannot fathom this)

lol thats funny.

im sure you would agree that there is nothing wrong with us trying to figure out how to live at peace in the moment as much as possible? right?

Even if we are going round and round in circles.

i cant tell you how much ive learned about living in the moment from doing this mental porn.

like right now at this moment some family members got upset with me for getting on the computer and not watching the dallas cowboy football game with them. HOW DARE ME! not too long ago i would have gotten mad that they are mad at me for not wanting to watch a dumb ass dualistic game. drama would have started and who knows whos feelings would have ended up getting hurt. but instead i just smiled at them and told them i would be quick and booted up the computer.

You see from threads like this going in circles and circles i have realized that i have no choice in them getting upset or not but i do have a choice in whether i get upset or not.

thats very EMPOWERING and helps everyone live more peaceful in the moment.

and hell for all i know the entire episode may have been all predetermined to begin with anyways! LMAO

[opas23]

Originally Posted by lonestar

lol thats funny.

im sure you would agree that there is nothing wrong with us trying to figure out how to live at peace in the moment as much as possible? right?

Even if we are going round and round in circles.

i cant tell you how much ive learned about living in the moment from doing this mental porn.

like right now at this moment some family members got upset with me for getting on the computer and not watching the dallas cowboy football game with them. HOW DARE ME! not too long ago i would have gotten mad that they are mad at me for not wanting to watch a dumb ass dualistic game. drama would have started and who knows whos feelings would have ended up getting hurt. but instead i just smiled at them and told them i would be quick and booted up the computer.

You see from threads like this going in circles and circles i have realized that i have no choice in them getting upset or not but i do have a choice in whether i get upset or not.

thats very EMPOWERING and helps everyone live more peaceful in the moment.

and hell for all i know the entire episode may have been all predetermined to begin with anyways! LMAO

LoL

Exactly!

'The end of the search' is not a state of not participating or just sitting around doing nothing in a very quiet and serious pose where you do not interact with lesser and unawakened puppets.

This would be to entirely miss the point!

Maybe the point is to tell you that nothing changes and everything appears as before the apparent awakening.

If you were to join in with certain activities such as you mentioned, no one will notice anything different and you may find something of benefit and inexplicable doing the things which might previously been thought of as not so called spiritual etc.

'Spiritual' has always been an interesting word for me and it can become something which is in everything from the most highest of raptures, to the lowest of feeling acute pain.

There are no boundaries to what~is, and I struggle in vain to communicate the drive and passion which compels me to attempt.

I have not prescribed or told anyone what they should or shouldn't be doing here, rather, I've attempted a description of what has been found to have never been anywhere else.

Some people find themselves in situations they never were interested in before the so called awakening point and yes, you guessed it, they also found what~is right there aswell.

I always find it fascinating how certain people do the 'merry~go~round' with the searching and seeking happening within words such as this forum.

Ofcourse many insights can happen this way for many and what~is does not restrict itself to any one area.

I have noticed however, that there is something we do and have been doing for thousands of years right up until now which goes way beyond those words. It can be called direct experience.

This 'directness' whilst the unfolding of this moment is occurring, is far easier to appear to 'guide' in, as opposed typed messages in a forum with 20~30 mins breaks in between.

This is why I always offer to share in a direct and actual occurrence whilst it's happening during the 'now' or 'moment' as it is most recently and popularly been called.

I am not saying I have all the answers as I pointed out in a recent PM. What I am saying is: there are no questions left (so maybe that is the answer before the question?)

I do not have a 'way' or 'path' or any 'agenda' regarding anyone. What I do seem to have is a knack for spotting certain processes my family and friends put themselves through repeatedly and cry about not being able to break free of that web they spin and throw around themselves.

It's almost as if they have no choice y'know.

And, according to them, they don't.

After a few years of appearing as a so called 'healer' or someone who people can talk to and enjoy sharing their woes with, I observed certain patterns within their behaviour which was quite 'loopy' to say the least.

These same self rotating patterns can be noticed everywhere, and especially on this forum where there are only words used by the seeker to represent how they feel and think etc.

What is missing, for a complete 'communication' are their actual sounds, movement, pauses, eye positioning, breathing, tone, body positioning, etc. etc.

So it has been very challenging for me to recognise the 'loopy' patterns in my brothers and sisters, and not fully be able to help and share with the best of my limited ability with only words.

This is why I have invited and met many wonderful people to share this with in the real, actual, occurrence of the present.

But I can understand how certain people feel more comfortable appearing only as words and that's fine y'know. But when someone is suffering over their search or seeking and only uses words to ask for help, then sometimes the words themselves can seem to turn, and appear to worsen the apparent problem in the first place.

Perhaps this may help better understand some of my words.

All the best now,

Opas23.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by jconnar

ok I think I may have diverged into sorcery of some sorts.

This quote was just emailed to me and it reminded me of this post you made a few days ago:~

"Dreaming entails cultivating a peculiar control over one's dreams to the extent that the experiences undergone in them and those lived in one's waking hours acquire the same pragmatic valence. The sorcerers' allegation is that under the impact of dreaming the ordinary criteria to differentiate a dream from reality becomes inoperative."

[Anders Lindman]

Confusion is a natural consequence of lacking knowledge in a certain area. Even in unity consciousness there is confusion. In dualistic consciousness we have been made to falsely fear confusion. Fear creates an inner split that shuts down parts of us leading to numbness and anger. When confusion is allowed inner peace can develop as a foundation for love.



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[Anders Lindman]

Bruce Lipton said that fear causes cells to wall themselves off from the rest of the community of cells in the body. That's numbness! And Eckhart Tolle has described how the pain body can suddenly awaken and make the person erupt in anger. That's an attempt of breaking out of the numbness, because it causes the biology of the body to deteriorate. So prolonged or chronic fear causes numbness which in turn leads to anger.

When you have a dream of for example not knowing an answer in an exam, then that's confusion. That confusion is perfectly fine! The dream is trying to tell you to become peaceful in relation to confusion. A similar thing when you have a dream about your teeth being destroyed. The dream is trying to describe to you how your increased tension can be relaxed by allowing confusion instead of letting fear get you both numb and tense at the same time.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

When confusion is allowed inner peace can develop as a foundation for love.

Merry Christmas Anders!

If there is no knowledge in any area for myself, I am not confused, but I can understand what you mean in a way by then going straight to peace & love.

So maybe I bypass confusion and go directly to love.

It sort of makes sense mate.

All the best,

Opas23.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by opas23

So maybe I bypass confusion and go directly to love.

It just goes to show every time, that: if you try and build a model of understanding, nature has a way of changing it almost immediately! lol

This is what I've been saying/typing all along regarding trying to 'understand' this with the mind.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by opas23

Merry Christmas Anders!

If there is no knowledge in any area for myself, I am not confused, but I can understand what you mean in a way by then going straight to peace & love.

So maybe I bypass confusion and go directly to love.

It sort of makes sense mate.

All the best,

Opas23.

Merry Christmas!

The mind tries to run away from confusion and often that results in the mind grabbing onto fear since the fear at least has some meaning in it whereas confusion is void of meaning. The root reason for that is that the mind wants certainty. What I call the Advaita trap is that the mind falls into the idea of "everything just is" and while that is fundamentally true it also creates a false sense of certainty that the mind clings to. Notice how certain the Advaita teachers are and even most other spiritual teachers too. It's a false sense of certainty that keeps the fear locked in place.

Allowing confusion to enter full force, from all directions, opens up the mind for healing the inner conflict between fear and numbness. Otherwise the mind continues in its old fear-based groove. Recognise how the mind tries very hard to avoid confusion and there is the clue to the habitual conditioned mind. While it's true that many people try to make other people confused as a means of manipulating and controlling them, that kind of confusion can be allowed too when the mind is turned around and absorbs the confusion instead of trying to run away from it.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

What I call the Advaita trap is that the mind falls into the idea of "everything just is" and while that is fundamentally true it also creates a false sense of certainty that the mind clings to.

Yes, I know what you mean mate.

But, for 'me' there is only uncertainty and the unknown.

Again, it may be a good idea to forget any formalised and standardised ideas such as advaita and just live life without trying to squish it into a box of right and wrong and understanding.

Life is simply life~ing and any attempt to wrap it all up into a nice neat little box of 'understanding' will fall apart onto the ground of what~is every time y'know! lol

If you are ever in the North of England any time, be sure to look me up and I will have the kettle on ready for a friendly and concept destroying chat with ya.

People seem to leave my home with less than they came!

Or should I say that the apparent falseness of wanting more, is put aside by the conversation which points to something so natural and so obvious that the mind would never have even contemplated the absolute ease of it.

The 'less' which they leave with leaves room for even more space...more or less! lol

Hard to describe, but easy as pie to resonate with.

All the best brother,

Opas23.

[serpentine]

Seasons greetings to 'One and All' in the 'Let's enter unity consciousness' thread.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by opas23

Again, it may be a good idea to forget any formalised and standardised ideas such as advaita and just live life without trying to squish it into a box of right and wrong and understanding.

But the idea of just living life is the Advaita meme in action imo. It's an extremely tricky meme. To "just live life" is itself a standardised idea.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

But the idea of just living life is the Advaita meme in action imo. It's an extremely tricky meme. To "just live life" is itself a standardised idea.

Yeah I know...what ever words I use can be attached to mean something else to do.

So even if I say 'just have fun' or 'enjoy life' it's just a way of being pleasant and wishing you well in your search mate...just a passing and well wished thought for ya, that's all.

[Anders Lindman]

Originally Posted by opas23

Yeah I know...what ever words I use can be attached to mean something else to do.

So even if I say 'just have fun' or 'enjoy life' it's just a way of being pleasant and wishing you well in your search mate...just a passing and well wished thought for ya, that's all.

But I got the impression that you tried to trick me into a "there is nobody doing anything" belief. I'm very paranoid about manipulation tricks. (Because of having watched many conspiracy videos probably. )

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by opas23

Life is simply life~ing and any attempt to wrap it all up into a nice neat little box of 'understanding' will fall apart onto the ground of what~is every time y'know! lol

lol You're right all you can do is laugh at this.

Originally Posted by opas23

If you are ever in the North of England any time, be sure to look me up and I will have the kettle on ready for a friendly and concept destroying chat with ya.

People seem to leave my home with less than they came!

Or should I say that the apparent falseness of wanting more, is put aside by the conversation which points to something so natural and so obvious that the mind would never have even contemplated the absolute ease of it.

The 'less' which they leave with leaves room for even more space...more or less! lol

Hard to describe, but easy as pie to resonate with.

"leaves room for even more space...more or less" WTF lol


so does that means we can only destroy so much of the illusion?


right? how can we be "what~is" and "life~ing" and experiencing this here and right now moment if we truly believe its ALL just an illusion? all of it...


i dont care if the unconditional love i have for my family and this earth is just an illusion or concept. im keeping those attachments FOREVER!

or for at least as long as im experiencing this here right now present here and here, here here moments........ LOL

[jconnar]

I think I realize now what I have been doing. I've been moving my awareness outside of my body into space.

[Anders Lindman]

There are (at least) three levels of understanding: 1) Confusion, 2) Belief, and 3) Knowing.

What is needed is to know the difference between a belief and knowing. A person who knows Jesus Christ is real, is that a belief or a knowing? I don't know. Maybe it's a belief, maybe it's knowing.

A clear example of knowing (I believe ) is a truth like 2+2=4. Another example of knowing is when I look at a clear sky and I see that the sky is blue. Even if I would be living in a kind of Matrix simulation, the experience is real and is a direct knowing.

Beliefs are useful as ideas of what could be possible. And confusion is useful to prevent the mind from getting stuck in a false belief and mistaking it for knowing.